08:14:20 pls. is there any HAVENO's chat channel for any support on 'haveno'? 08:14:55 haveno = haveno reto 08:15:22 haveno = haveno-reto 08:23:44 Haveno Lounge 08:25:22 thank U indeed, ofrnxmr 09:00:48 Are Monero balances documented with the IRS and taxed? 09:03:20 elaborate 09:03:38 you can always report your finances for tax purposes 09:04:35 <321bob321:monero.social> Self reporting 09:05:01 Got it. 09:05:55 if you are asking if any person or agency can know your balance, the answer is no. 09:06:12 because Monero is private 09:12:06 Yeah, okay. 09:13:09 Do you think storing savings as Monero makes more sense than using a credit union savings account? 09:17:18 yes, if you know how to secure it. 09:22:37 Are you referring to the wallets and keys? 09:23:35 yes and device you use to access it 09:28:48 Yeah, that's all super neurotically complicated. I can only hope to get to that point of competence some day. 09:31:10 take your time! 09:32:37 Yep. 11:27:41 <17e:matrix.org> Is there a trustworthy public node that supports ZMQ? 11:28:23 Yes, the one you host on your PC 11:28:40 <17e:matrix.org> Thats not public. 11:28:41 😝 11:28:44 <17e:matrix.org> :) 11:29:04 Trueeee, the one you host on a VPS then? 11:29:21 <17e:matrix.org> Should I host one on a VPS? 11:30:17 <17e:matrix.org> Is it safe? And legal? 11:30:19 But you can host on your PC and make it public :P 11:30:25 I host on kyun.host 11:30:26 Pay xmr 11:31:20 You said "trustworthy". The only trustworthy node is the one _you_ trust 11:31:26 My opinion is pointless 11:32:47 Yeah but if you want to be secure use tor to sign up to a host like njal.la, kyun.host or privacyhost.cc but tbh I’m not endorsing them per se, they just accept xmr 11:32:53 Less about legal and more about TOS. There are some vps that dont like nodes 11:33:14 Servers.guru, crunchbits.com 11:33:33 Yee those too 11:34:25 Thanks for the mention! If you need any infos, feel free to reach out. 11:35:22 Whoever made kyun is extremely creative website looks sick 11:36:00 Naphtha 11:38:17 Yes, incredible stuff I sometimes just buy a VPS not because I need it, rather, the athletically pleasing process of ordering it. 11:46:23 Do you recommend any host who did not care about the content on they servers as long as no complaint incomes? 11:46:51 We all 🖤 naphtha 11:47:49 There is Shinjiru but meh, you’ll always need to use a proxy chain to hide it have a base server and a proxy chain rotator of disposable servers 11:48:20 That’s the best way of not having the DMCA go to the right host 11:48:45 Kyun don't give a f about the content as long as its not Cheeze Pizza. Even if complaints 11:48:50 But I wouldn’t recommend hosting stuff that gets you complaints as it’s illegal 11:48:51 What about sites on tor network? 11:48:55 Most of the time 11:49:10 I just don't want host with prying eyes 11:49:33 If you can convince people to use the tor browser, depends what you’re serving 11:50:54 I know host say they don't allow certain sites on their servers but they are required to say these things. how can i know which host won't fuck me? 11:51:10 There are several ways to host privately it just depends on your threat model 11:51:16 Any host can fuck you 11:51:45 There are things you can do to reduce suspicion from the ISP you host with 11:51:51 so is it just luck? hoping my host doesn't peek into my servers? 11:53:39 Some hosts will peak your servers only if red flags pop up, like heavy tor traffic, keywords on the disks for anything related to CP videos or pics, they will see what ports you have open some do deep packet inspection on outgoing traffic for the first few weeks some don’t care 11:56:05 I have an almost perfect schematic to hide anything which I might publish when I am not so busy haha /r/privacy if you’re interested, I post there sometimes when I get a chance I’ll post it, but this is kinda off topic, can continue in #monero-offtopic 11:56:58 okay i will join that room. am very interested in what you just say 11:57:36 Yes, one think is for sure, OVH monitor everything you do so don’t even touch it 12:01:33 I've been running a wireguard server on my ovh node. I wonder if I should move that somewhere else then? 12:06:42 There is no way hyc is alive 12:06:56 Its been years since last time I saw you 12:07:03 In chat 12:13:18 then you are not in the correct channels :) 12:13:54 lol 12:14:18 Oh, hi, hyc! 12:14:25 hey 12:14:42 * moneromooo mooes friendlililily at hyc 12:14:43 I think I briefly met you at the Florida Monerotopia. 12:14:58 hm nope, I didn't go to florida 12:15:01 okay 12:15:13 Oh, no, that was . . . a guy whose name I forgot. 12:15:17 sorry 12:15:25 Days 12:15:26 Being a programmer, I see these two statements do not conflict. You might have been born in Florida and never left. 12:15:34 It's easy to mix up which is who on IRC sometimes. 12:15:50 lol. I also haven't been to any monerotopias 12:16:05 You.. could have been born... in... ... no. 12:16:11 You're a different person I haven't seen on IRC in a little while. 12:16:15 :P 12:17:03 I wouldn't be surprised if I didn't make an impression. I have no significant presence in Monero circles. 12:17:19 I hate you ofrn 12:17:35 I hate ofrn too 12:17:45 my men 12:17:54 Oh, hey . . . does anyone know a good source for USD<->Monero exchange rates? 12:18:17 <17e:matrix.org> My question about "is it safe hosting a node" was more about attackers. 12:18:40 (It suddenly occurred to me this might be the place to find out.) 12:18:50 What "hacks" are you worried about? 12:19:16 Apotheon, depends who you trust 12:19:47 Coingecko can show you various exchanges rates 12:20:09 Monero.boats has the "last" haveno rate 12:20:29 What do you mean by "last"? 12:21:08 . . . and what is Monero.boats? It seems familiar, but I don't recall where/why. 12:21:41 <17e:matrix.org> Don't know. Just uncertainty. 12:22:00 Last trade 12:23:23 I explained monero.boats in the sentence 12:24:52 "Last" trade can be a poor metric. Midpoint is probably better. Last can be stale or someone gaming the system. Also trade times are randomized, not "last" might not be "last" 12:27:27 I'd love to see price data coming out of decentralized exchanges, somehow. 12:28:06 On the other hand, I guess that might require piercing the veil a bit, and I hope Monero turns out to be invulnerable to that. 12:28:21 conflicting desires 13:45:45 You'll find a wide array of resources on my channel, ranging from 13:45:46 💎Apple Pay 13:45:48 💎Apple Product method 13:45:50 💎Airb&b 13:45:52 💎Bank logs/ bank drops 13:45:54 💎Bank open UPS 13:45:56 💎Carding 13:45:58 💎Chime transfer 13:46:00 💎Cashapp 13:46:02 💎Clone card 13:46:04 💎Credit Cards( Cvv ) 14:50:38 <17e:matrix.org> Is there a recommended monerod for docker? 14:53:45 is feather wallet good for any kind of crypto coin? 14:53:56 Yes, I am a noob 14:54:40 Monero only 14:56:31 https://github.com/sethforprivacy/simple-monerod-docker 14:56:44 kewbit.org: Interested in QubesOS Haveno XMR bounty! 14:57:13 ah okay 14:59:44 17e there's https://monerosuite.org/ 15:01:40 <17e:matrix.org> awesome! 15:06:26 Any recommended crypto exchanges? I guess I need to use one to get any xmr. The wallet is only for storing, receiving and sending, right? 15:07:18 yes 15:07:31 you can mine it too 15:07:35 using https://gupax.io/ 15:07:46 Using fiat? 15:08:22 The emphasis on "crypto" exchanges sounds like you dont need to use fiat, and want to swap crypto > xmr? 15:08:23 I am trying to install "**SimpleX**" on a Debian 12.8 (bookworm), but it fails because some "old" libraries are missing (such as **libjpeg-turbo8**): basically Debian 12.8 replaced some "old" libraries by the newest version one; Any hint/suggestion? 15:09:35 Install method? 15:09:49 Just ldd and find libs, depends, etc:. 15:10:03 #monero-offtopic:monero.social rho 15:11:00 I didn't emphasize on crypto to say from other crypto to xmr. I was actually mostly interested in exchanging fiat into xmr. I don't know the correct lingo 15:11:18 sudo apt install ./simplex-desktop-ubuntu-22_04-x86_64.deb 15:11:18 but even the next one failed 15:11:20 sudo dpkg install -i simplex-desktop-ubuntu-22_04-x86_64.deb 15:11:35 Thats ubuntu deb 15:11:41 But thanks for the mining software recommendation. pretty cool 15:11:46 And 22.04. 15:11:51 Not even latest ubuntu lts 15:12:48 For fiat exchanges.. idk. Whatever one youre comfortable kycing on. Kraken, kucoin, mexc 15:13:08 Haveno if you already have some xmr and want to go p2p 15:13:40 that is true, but the homepage of "simpleX" states that it is for Debian as well ofrnxmr 15:13:57 is the source code for https://gupax.io/ website open source? hinto 15:13:59 22.04 is like debian 10 15:14:24 Gupaxx is the new version. Rando 15:14:51 it is a fork with gambling, right? 15:14:58 Linux: AppImage or Flatpak (most Linux distros), Ubuntu 20.04 (and Debian-based distros), 15:15:09 Its a fork that is updated as well 15:15:35 The deb says 22.04 but the description sats 20.04? Link me 15:16:16 https://github.com/simplex-chat/simplex-chat/releases/latest/download/simplex-desktop-x86_64.AppImage 15:16:25 upstream is abandoned? 15:16:54 I think so 15:18:04 This doesnt work? 15:19:18 https://simplex.chat/downloads/ 15:19:48 just use flatpak 15:20:27 I shall try that, thank U 15:28:34 simplex's support for using the same account on your phone and computer is pretty bad. Do you have separate users for your different machines? 15:48:00 Would it be a privacy concern if I buy xmr and other coins with the same exchange (for example kraken)? And then store xmr in, like, feather wallet, and store the others in another wallet? 15:56:07 EAE attack - only if you send those monero back to kraken someone that kraken shared your tx info with 15:56:16 EAE attack - only if you send those monero back to kraken or to someone that kraken shared your tx info with 15:58:13 Hmmm okay. So if I happened to want to exchange xmr to fiat again, then I should not use a separate exchange for that 15:58:25 Thanks 15:59:41 depends what youre trying to hide 16:01:21 if you want to exchange it for fiat, i'd highly recommend selling on haveno p2p, and getting more $ for your xmr 16:02:34 Ah okay. Specifically for selling 16:03:10 Yes 16:04:13 Okay, good to know. Thanks 18:34:55 in theory, should say kraken be your only exchange account linked to your bank, you obfuscate if not break the EAE trail by sending your outputs to a different exchange, waiting for a bit, and then withdrawing them again right? 18:35:35 unless the second exchange is colluding with kraken, or your outputs are tracked by a third party gathering info from both exchanges? 18:36:36 but i would think the output you receive back from the second exchange would have a different transaction graph trail 19:43:09 You can obfuscate against an EAE attack by churning to yourself first before 20:03:41 but if you churn once then send back to kraken, they can still discern the path 20:04:31 if they had no context it'd be 1/16 chance, but with context there's basically no probable deniability 20:05:03 what i'm wondering is if going to an intermediary exchange is functionally like an output mixer, even if it is obviously "trustful" 20:06:25 not perfect but at least provides relatively more deniability 20:06:29 assuming the 2nd exchange isnt compliant 20:06:55 exactly 20:07:00 The only truly safe churn, is to get new monero 20:08:36 so if you absolutely had to resell XMR you bought off kraken recently and maybe spent once in short order, then depositing to kucoin and waiting a day or so before withdrawing and sending back to kraken would probably be the move 20:08:56 and this would only be applicable to CEXes, not DEXes since the latter is a self-custodial wallet 20:08:59 kucoin is kyc 20:09:44 sure, but i'm speaking of just obfuscating the transaction graph to the exchange that's linked to your bank account 20:10:02 likely to report the amounts and link the in/out tx 20:10:07 but yeah, using a non-KYC exchange might be safer in some regards, albeit riskier in others 20:11:01 and this scenario is really more to defend against passive surveillance, if your outputs are actively targeted because say you're under investigation by LEO then this wouldn't be much of an improvement if any 22:11:20 what's the best most lightweight linux desktop client? cli ok 22:11:54 I am saying wallet, I don't want to run a full node. 22:13:38 @imprevisto:matrix.org What have you tried so far, and why hasn't it been sufficiently lightweight (by whatever metric you care about — please elaborate) for you? 22:15:26 I have used a flatpak GUI app, I think maybe it was an official app, not feather 22:16:31 GUI and Flatpak are both not needed for me, but if that's easiest, okay. also I would try feather if people in this room like it more for some reason 22:19:45 I mostly just use the CLI wallet extracted from a tarball tbh. 22:31:07 the most lightweight is definitely monero-wallet-cli, which can be used with a remote node. feather however is also nice, lightweight by default and you can even disable the stuff it has that aren't core wallet features to make it moreso 22:33:16 thank you snipa and umask777 .. with the monero-wallet-cli, do I need to run and control a full node? 22:33:44 You need to connect to a full node with wallet-cli, yes, if you need to control it or not is up to you. 22:35:43 so I understand I could just choose a public node with monero-wallet-cli, make rpc requests etc 22:35:50 cool thank you 22:36:01 There's a few lists of them out there, I don't have them handy but someone else might. :) 22:38:03 Feather wallets list is probably a good start 22:38:06 thanks :) 22:51:19 for US folks, how are you cashing out XMR to USD? ive been going xmr -> atmoic wallet swap to XLM -> coinbase -> bank and im pretty sure this is as cheap as I can get it 23:26:23 What the heck is atomic wallet 23:27:01 thermonuclear wallet 23:30:27 you're probably paying a decent fee for the XLM swap 23:30:50 plus, you're touching XLM 🤮 23:33:23 he should have used xrp > xlm /s 23:37:41 if you're in the US and not in a communist state like CA or NY, you'd be better using the XMR/USD pair on Kraken 23:38:34 or just use Haveno if you don't mind the worse UX 23:39:18 either would definitely be cheaper than using whatever instant swap service atomic wallet has to go into XLM first