01:25:17 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/kernal.eu/FGGKkWJFjzuTcPhqTvIgjtAv 01:25:20 I guess this will do 01:50:21 Will it also support building an L2 for Monero? Assuming it supports payment channels, it should. 01:52:07 Yes 01:55:36 This has been possible on Ethereum already. 01:57:07 <321bob321:monero.social> Xrc-20 ? 02:20:57 Sure! Thank you 02:21:13 are there any P2P/OTC channels on element? 02:30:58 [@dave.jp:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@dave.jp:matrix.org)whats the best method? do people prefer flatp/snap or just a .deb? 02:31:07 *flatpak 02:33:57 I could also create a docker account and publish that I suppose 02:37:39 <321bob321:monero.social> Use github to push docker images 02:41:02 <321bob321:monero.social> Or run harbor 06:35:51 Flatpak 06:36:03 please also offer a .deb 07:24:28 Is FCMP development on schedule or it is just in theory 07:24:50 Not 100% sure but it is on-schedule 07:25:10 I'd check Luke Parker's monerotopia talks to see the latest updates 07:25:28 I plan to finish my libs by EOM. 08:02:02 Some specific PCN designs thanks to transaction chaining. It doesn't allow conditional payments. 08:41:10 For fcmp++? 08:43:25 Yes dave.jp: 08:45:20 That doesn't mean integration will be finished. Just is the next milestone on the list 08:46:40 Any estimated time for integration and testnet ? 09:07:18 I'd hope a month or two but I'm not the best person to ask dave.jp: 09:10:48 Has the math already been audited ? 09:13:09 Why is HavenoReto bad? 09:13:11 saw this tweet https://xcancel.com/chaserxy/status/1860146955600691650#m 09:15:03 HavenoReto is now RetroSwap btw 09:15:25 RetoSwap* 09:34:21 Just curious, the biggest problem about p2p is the risk of receiving questionable fund like money from scam and credit card fraud. Anyone seller on anonymous p2p should expect their bank account burned pretty soon, how is that possible to maintain a stable amount of professional sellers without kyc? 09:38:10 Selling for cash? 09:40:00 dave.jp: Multiple parts have been, currently scheduling the next step of review and proofs. The impl will be ready for auditing once my libs are done and the relevant security proofs are done (with review). 09:40:40 I think a lot of transactions are still done through banking system 09:40:48 You can see the research CCS for the status of that. 09:41:16 The risk sellers have is really huge, and I am pretty surprised many haveno trader is only asking for a 5% premium 09:50:48 I am surprised how they'te operating without being forced to KYC customers, unike exchanges... 09:56:40 This is how I feel, unless you are professional money laundering group. It makes no sense to accept unknown source of fund everyday. Police will definitely knock your door someday, and only thing you get is probably several thousands of dollar every month 10:12:55 We need to created Local Circles where people can trade with confidence. Vegans hold potlucks every month where people get to know each other. We can have some kind of Blockchain Enthusiasts Group meetups. People can get to know each other. Haveno should have a feature that allows traders to add each other on their trusted list. So when we meet people in our local circle, we will 10:12:57 add them as trusted and trade with them on Haveno. 10:14:25 But if those meetups get any big and noticeable, I am afraid police would shut them down... 10:18:48 No, they won't. They will not be Monero meetups. We will call them something like Blockchain Talk Groups or something. People need to come only once and we will add them to a whitelist. 10:20:23 Also, in most countries policemen accept bribes in crypto. They are very eager to find buyers too! 10:22:26 speaking of policemen, this all sounds suspicious / illegal 10:35:49 Systems like this sound ideal, but if they can be infiltrated, they will be compromised. The mafia required a Sicilian lineage for 'friends of ours' to gain security clearance. However, it clearly didn't work because moles can get through easily. 10:39:33 We will take steps to keep the people's identity private. They won't need to disclose name etc. 10:44:12 What will likely happen in the case of Haveno Reto is that sellers who deal with large amounts will be pressured by whoever governs them to obtain a money transmitting license, report all transactions, and request KYC information when dealing with higher transaction amounts. 10:44:36 The volume and liquidity are currently not high enough to warrant any government attention. 10:45:18 Then I will run an instance of Haveno. 10:46:39 Instances themselves are not the problem; rather, it is the sellers who are. They will receive either bank statements or online statements, regardless of which avenue they use. Unfortunately, this approach won't help them evade the government. 10:47:31 The local meetups will facilitate bankless transactions. 10:47:55 Cash @ doorstep or pickup. 10:48:33 How do I know this? Several P2P DEXes/CEXes that I've used, including Bisq, Paxful, Robosats, and most others, have ended up being regulated. To date, only AMM DEXes have been able to facilitate swaps without requiring KYC and with theoretically unlimited amounts. 10:49:33 We are not interested in other DEX'. We are Monero. We are built to be censorship resistant. 10:50:18 An AMM DEX is being built for Monero as we speak :) 10:51:23 That is fine. That will allow us to profit from movement in other currencies like BCH. 10:51:24 Not exactly as stated, but it will indeed support Monero, and is currently the only one that doesn't include BSX. 10:51:56 Bisq was regulated? 10:52:58 Bisq itself is not regulated, but many of its sellers are, which is what I meant by that statement. 10:53:15 That is fine. Monero is open to all. There is no discrimination based on religion, qualification, nationality, gender, race etc. Everyone is free to build. 10:55:04 ah 10:55:29 @chaser:monero.social Care to elaborate? 10:55:56 At least big-volume KYC sellers could work for businesses after all the delistings) I do now wonder whether the smaller, people-oriented ones would be using alts. 11:01:18 I think bisq has a punishment for seller requires kyc? 11:03:52 Only if the seller doesn't specify they require KYC, if I remember right. 11:06:44 Additionally, this will finally provide conclusive proof if the price of Monero is indeed being suppressed or not. 11:08:23 By adding a completely new liquidity channel with no restrictions whatsoever, including UI/UX, and leveraging the Uniswap V2 x = yz model, arbitrage opportunities that facilitate true price discovery will finally be available. 11:10:20 Bots that we're currently running on ETH can be ported to Serai with a few tweaks, of course. 11:17:27 What this means is that with the launch of Serai, instant liquidity will be available in large quantities - particularly for ETH/SRI and XMR SRI. 11:18:20 What this means is that with the launch of Serai, instant liquidity will be available in large quantities - particularly for ETH/SRI and XMR/SRI. 11:25:38 What is even the point of ETH with its huge gas fees? 11:27:52 customer lock-in 11:29:15 BlueyHealer, we run bots that execute thousands of transactions on ETH L2s every day (OP and ARB). Fees are currently 10x lower than XMR transactions at around $0.0005. ETH L1 is also relatively low-cost nowadays, but most activity is not occurring there. 11:30:40 Also, it's worth noting that this is extremely cheap, considering we're writing to smart contracts. 11:35:19 i was right xmr scam price stay same fuck you monerobull SCAMMER 11:35:30 your money go to 0 HAHAHAHHA 11:36:24 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 11:36:57 btcoin 100k xmr soon 0 dollar dont buy SHIT COIN SCAM 11:37:39 inflation bug is exploited by botnet miners and xmr not private anymoe with key image triangulation HAHAH monerobull fuck you scammer 11:38:24 SCAM https://techleaks24.substack.com/p/a-deep-dive-on-monero-tracing SCAM 11:40:36 * they can't comprehend that 0% fees enable faking the volume and price manipulation without any bound. I chatted with one of their members for an hour about this and their conclusion was "gotta take opportunity, zero fee good". meanwhile they stunt on Twitter about their volume and whenever a price happens to be above CEX prices :D 11:40:37 * they can't write sentences resembling proper English, not even with the help of a AI writing assistant (yes, they use one). 11:40:39 * signs of poor management in general, e.g. they rebranded out of the blue and then announced the rebrand 3 days later. 11:42:30 Interesting, I didn't even know Reto had zero percent fees until now. Thanks for letting me know. 11:43:21 read https://techleaks24.substack.com/p/a-deep-dive-on-monero-tracing 11:43:24 read https://techleaks24.substack.com/p/a-deep-dive-on-monero-tracing 11:43:45 DO NOT BUY XMR SCAM COIN DO NOT BUY BOTNET, FLUFFYPONY MINED 1M XMR AND SELLING INTO TARI monerobull SCAMMER! 11:44:12 RETO IS FLUFFY, PONY SCAM 11:46:07 Fucking clown 11:46:14 Banhammer: 11:46:30 FUCK YOU I REPORT UR DOMAIN DRUG DEALER ENABLER 11:46:47 I'm pretty sure techleaks was the person shilling Dero, which was vulnerable. However, after kayabanerve found a critical vulnerability (which still has not been fixed), it appears that techleaks lost all his money and is now spreading a smear campaign against Monero. All these points have already been addressed. 11:47:05 Please let us know where is tue drug deal we'll be happy to take them down. 11:47:12 Please let us know where is the drug deal we'll be happy to take them down. 11:47:28 fuck you cia fbi agent fuck you 11:47:52 MONERO IS SCAM AND TRACBLE 11:48:00 STOP LIEING 11:48:36 Please let us know where is the drug dealers we'll be happy to take them down. 11:49:06 What the hell is wrong with you? 11:49:26 monerobull: BANNED ME FROM REDDIT FUCKING SCAM 11:49:46 I wonder why. 11:50:09 dont talk drug dealer 11:51:26 Okay, but that doesn't warrant such extreme behavior. Why not just create a new account on Reddit? 11:52:08 LISTEN TO ME FUCKING SCAM FUCK YOU XMR = SCAM DO NOT BUY OR TAKE THIS PROJECT SCAMMER 11:52:26 Days without drama : 0 11:53:06 Englighten me. Why do people think Monero is a scam? 11:53:56 I WAS HERE long time ago AND I TOL DMONEROBULL FUCKING MOD SHIT SCAMMER THAT XMR GO TO 0 BECAUSE INFLATION BUG THIS IS WHY THE PRICE IS THE SAME. FLUFFYPONY SCAMMER USE INFLATION BUG TO SELL 1 MILLION MONERO AND MORE 11:53:58 jealousity 11:54:58 I've never, in my entire life, seen anyone act this way. 11:55:28 FUCK YOU AGENT GLOWIE 11:56:09 worse, I suspect this wasn't even the Reto team's original idea. there is another network (won't name them) that tried to gain market share by announcing they will have zero fees when they soon launch, and I think Reto saw that and just went "they will outcompete us, we'll have to do the same!" 11:57:11 Does this other network start with the letter A? I'm pretty sure they copied some things from Reto. 11:58:49 it does. and yes, their website is almost a complete copy of Reto's 11:58:51 www.moneroinflation.com 11:58:53 Monero is not a scam, and its price is influenced by other factors. If you're not trolling, please calm down and look into #monero-markets:monero.social for discussion on why the price might be stable when everything else is going up. 11:59:36 no fuck you fbi agent i know xmr traceable and fluffy SOLD ALL OF IT 11:59:57 WHERE IS FLUFFY? WHERE IS MONEROBULL FUCKI SCAMMER! 12:00:15 Monero is open to all. Scammers too! Try your luck! 😉 12:00:30 get out now 12:00:32 GET OUT OF MONERO 12:00:48 BUY ANY OTHER COIN MONERO IS SCAM AND ALL AGENTS WILL GET U 12:04:24 @banhammer:matrix.org 12:05:01 FUCK YOU FUCK OFRNXMR SCAMMER MONEROBULL SCAMMER SERVERS.GURU DRUG DEALER 12:05:52 you said provide liquidity wen serai goes live? DO NOT PROVIDE LIQUIDITY. SERAI IS RUG PULL. GO SOMEWHERE ELSE 12:06:20 Bro did you get liquidation when longing monero? You should really see a psychiatrist 12:06:47 It's odd how every time I mention providing liquidity or doing something positive for Monero, a troll seems to come out of nowhere and start spamming the chat. 12:06:58 Ok. 12:07:05 Heyy 12:07:07 This has happened before on the same home server. 12:07:11 NO I TRY TO SAVE U FROM MONERO SCAM 12:07:28 bruh moment 12:07:30 SCMAMER 12:07:32 xmrscott plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org 12:07:39 Probably 12:07:41 FUCK YOU SCAMMER 12:07:52 My dm's are open bebe 12:07:58 SERAI SCAM LOOK INTO CODE IT HAVE STEALER CRYPTO AND RUG PULL 12:08:05 FLUFFY BUILT SERAI FUCKING SCAMMER 12:08:08 And my onlyfans is free 12:08:42 All your information is wrong. 12:08:57 I doubt if agent's really want to get me. I am very poor, vegan and don't participate in any unmindful activities. I don't think they will waste their resources on me. 12:08:59 Fluffy isn’t in scene for almost half a decade, get your info updated 12:09:19 HE IS BEHIND THE SCENE FUCKING SCAMMER TARI MONEY LAUNDERING FROM MONERO SCAM AND SERAI FINAL OPERATION TO TAKE DOWN MONERO WATH AND SEE 12:09:33 Feel free to point to that specific code 12:09:36 Wrong 12:09:42 😂 12:09:57 I built serai, stupid 12:09:59 FUCK YOU PARTICL CEX SCAMMER FUCK YOU CCS SCAMMER 12:10:09 Fluffy hangs out with cool bitcoin and that kids, doesn’t have time for trenches 12:10:17 Fluffy hangs out with cool bitcoin and yay kids, doesn’t have time for trenches 12:10:29 You you want a job? 12:10:30 Yat* 12:10:42 How will Tari take down Monero? 12:10:52 NO I WILL MAKE BILLIONS FROM XMR GO TO 0 AND FUCK monerobull SHIT FUCKER 12:10:57 I need a mule to bring me drugs across the border 12:11:08 Slowly then suddenly 12:11:26 xmrscam0dollars do you want to helolp me with that? 12:11:27 watch fluffypony use inflation bug to steal XMR AND THEN serai to TAKE ALL XMR SUPPLY THEN PUT INTO TARI TO WITHDRAW because NO CEX TAKE FUCKING XMR SCAM 12:11:31 I see. 12:12:07 Why are you hating on monerobull so much? 12:12:29 HE BANNED ME FROM REDDIT AND DELETE POSTS AND FUCK HIM I HOPE MONERO.TOWN FUCK DOWN AGAIN 12:12:46 Is this about Reddit? 12:13:36 Where are the mods when we need them 🙃 12:13:56 just remember my word serai rug dont give money ok 12:14:51 ok 12:15:59 No, I'm not listening to you. Please stop now. 12:16:00 is xmr the scam or something / someone else, im confused 12:16:32 fuc kyou lose all your money fucking fbi agent fucker 12:16:39 xmr THE SCAM THAT WILL GO TO 0 12:16:42 Yes. It is built to rug hedge funds. 12:16:46 Same person from yesterday 12:17:02 Mental 12:17:03 YES YOU UNDERSTAND 12:17:12 googlemozilla: SEE NEVR GIVE 12:17:23 Yes zero is inevitable 12:18:15 4 zeros* 12:18:24 Aw! He got banned. Would have liked to know what brings out such behaviour. 12:18:26 What's the point of doing this? I'm pretty sure most people here are familiar with Monero, so this trolling seems out of place. 12:19:11 Its just to waste contributors time 12:19:32 "when a cat has nothing to do, he licks his balls" 12:19:52 To ruin plowsof's beauty rest 12:20:03 If you wanted to do that, using bots would be a better approach. This is simply one person doing some shit posting. 12:20:27 they use bots 12:20:56 Monerogoingto0 used like 30 bots and impersonated ppl 12:21:04 How weird. 12:21:46 Servers.guru hater made like 1000 accounts and spammed nazi videos 12:21:50 I guess someone lost money shorting. 12:22:11 Then reported monero.social for hosting nazi material 12:22:29 Nah. Its just trolls 12:23:13 anyone naming ofrn, mbll, servers.guru in the same sentence is someone who is here often and paying attention 12:23:44 Probably an employee for a 3 letter agency who's job it is to wake plowsof up and tire him out 12:24:12 Why bring up fluffypony? All of this information is outdated. 12:24:23 normal monero trolls, use telegram 12:25:17 By the way, that is one of the reasons why Matrix concerns me! It means that even if you're the only person on your server, it may still end up storing Nazi material or similarly awful things :( 12:25:39 I'm just going to ignore that troll home server. 12:25:41 going into any community and trolling is normal behaviour sadly. pick any view point that the group will be annoyed wiht (even if it goes against what you actually believe) and cause as much fuss as you can with as little effort / research as possible 12:25:59 I usually think about the storage requirements (my VPS has a small disk), but this would've been uneasy even with huge storage... 12:26:13 but you have to make sure to do it when you think plowsof is sleeping 12:26:24 So you do it at a different time each day 12:26:37 Looking for the window when mkd coverage is low 12:26:37 plowsof, that wasn't the point. I was saying that a copy of the horrid media will be saved on every participating homeserver... 12:27:02 I haven't seen this level of trolling in any other crypto community. No one is actively making bots, posting nazi content and trying to get people to not provide liquidity. At worst I've seen maybe some rage bait posts on Bitcoin channels. 12:27:05 that even happens on git, bluey 12:27:11 we deserve better. no one will surpass 24/25. he was punctual and dependable. same time, every day and he has the longest record 12:27:21 I haven't seen this level of trolling in any other crypto community. No one is actively making bots, posting nazi content and trying to get people to not provide liquidity. At worst I've seen maybe seen some rage bait posts on Bitcoin channels. 12:27:28 24/25 the best 12:27:37 Setna very high standard 12:27:56