05:22:49 yes 05:23:13 implementation of crypto coins. I wanted to ask stuff about ethereum virtual machine and stuff. 05:32:41 it seems that everybody stopped using paper wallets these days. it looks to me like the best thing to do tho 05:35:53 if I want to get into crypto tradig (as a high risk gambler, like on the stock market daily trading) I hate the idea of using a proprietary browser based program to manage my keys. this crap tracks you... OTOH having a fancy hardware thingie does not seem to me more secure than a pair of qr codes I hold hidden in my personal wallet 05:37:47 how can I have a wallet on different chains and manage them offline? or use that for transactions or whatever with Foss? 05:37:56 I am a complete noob 07:10:44 “how can I have a wallet on different chains and manage them offline?” <- you have a wallet for each chain. look up cold signing for the particular chain you’re interested in 07:11:23 https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/2160/how-do-i-use-cold-transaction-signing 07:11:52 this is how you do it with monero. you can now use the GUI instead of the CLI 11:55:17 "The highest level of political authority realized that the banks are the best place to rob. For an inside job, that meant taking control of the central bank and the ownership of a clutch of private banks and their boards of directors. The banks then issued billions of dollars in loans to companies, some of them fictional, that would never be paid back. Much of that money was then 11:55:17 transferred out of the country illegally." 11:55:19 This is what happens when we use government issued currency. This is how inequality is created and sustained. They will not be able to do this if we start using ASIC resistant decentralized currencies. 11:55:21 https://www.deccanherald.com//world/explained-how-bangladeshs-economy-was-siphoned-dry-3302899 12:35:41 A digital currency would be inferior in the real world tho. Imagine needing to carry your phone everywhere just to make and receive payments. 12:35:48 cash is king 12:36:32 Imagine needing to carry your cash everywhere just to make and receive payments. 12:37:04 cash has an advantage of being an offline payment method 12:37:26 And private. 12:38:50 I've often wondered whether there's some automated recording of note serials when withdrawing/depositing. Kind of like the EABE thing. 12:39:53 It has the exact same kind of attack vector as monero: Bob withdraws serials ABCDE, Eve deposits serials ADFGH. 12:40:12 The more in common, the more likely the notes went just one step from Bob to Alice. 12:40:23 s/Eve/Alice/ above. 12:41:19 I also heard people had meetups for swapping store loyaty cards just to fuck with the spying. Similar to CC mixers. 12:42:33 Doing this for notes runs the risk of getting counterfeit notes in the swap. Kinda like getting outputs from criminals. 12:42:49 Funny how there is so much mirroring. 12:46:01 They probably do that serial recording. They have the means, opportunity and incentive. Like they had for widespread net spying before snowden splashed it all out. 13:32:21 Use just the coins then :D They don't have serial numbers :D 13:33:45 consolidation fee for coins is high when sending by mail 13:34:14 especially if max coin input per envelope is limited 13:40:57 Lmao 13:41:32 Also if shipping coins, the fees go up due to "tx_weight" 13:45:13 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/catgirl.cloud/a8cc5ef0d7f3860cf241f617783ef2f43dc04c151865754490049658880 13:46:47 remote node error 13:47:53 it went through after nvm 13:48:28 moneromooo, I haven't had meetups. But I do always ask other people in line for their cards) And if there are none, I have found multiple valid barcodes of such cards with a simple web search (particularly, the reviews of the bonus program were useful for such photos). 13:52:38 Monero can also be used as cash. It's just public and private key printed on it like scratch cards. Only the recipient will need a wallet to enter the key and receive funds. 13:52:57 Monero can also be used as cash. It's just public and private key printed on paper like scratch cards. Only the recipient will need a wallet to enter the key and receive funds. 14:03:28 The fundamental problem with such "scratch card" schemes is that the scratch card producer knows all the secret keys and can scam you 1 minute after you paid your scratch card 14:21:17 We can just create a tool where the recipient enters the key and it transfers the funds to his wallet. 14:38:51

Dude artificially reintroduced the double spending problem 14 years after the invention of bitcoin 💀 15:03:33 plowsof if someone wants to suggest an idea for Monero project, where it can be shared? (needs to be seen by everyone so all can give your comment) 15:04:53 plowsof if someone wants to suggest an idea for Monero project, where it can be shared? (needs to be seen by everyone so all can give their comment) 15:08:19

> <@basses:matrix.org> plowsof if someone wants to suggest an idea for Monero project, where it can be shared? (needs to be seen by everyone so all can give their comment) 15:09:13

Try doing a stress test by raising a git issue too see if bureaucracy is in any favour of that..............If it's a no chances are you'd end up cursing the entire community of being ignorant if you still put much hope into getting stuff from RTC (take it with a pinch of salt since me too not a major maintainer 😅) 15:11:04 hmm, would like to know which repo to open an issue exactly in, rooms doesn't work in this case as it can be easily overlooked or lost between in messages. 15:17:24

GitHub good for that, try publishing papers if you just want someone to implement a thing placed on platter or connections with important contributors are good for an easy way to boost visibility 15:20:00 https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues 15:21:00 For wide reach in the general / non-dev community, e.g. to see interest of potential users, nothing beats the Monero subreddit 15:22:42 Anyway, a very good idea will spread like a wildfire, even if you only mention it once, e.g. right now, right here :) 15:33:10 Very good idea: 1MB blockchain size (only 70% joking) 15:55:24 what are the suggested open source wallets 15:55:46 for phone and such 15:57:33 stuff that allows usdt is better 15:58:01 not on fdroid 15:59:31 https://f-droid.monerujo.io/ 16:02:13 YOU SHOULDN'T USE LE F-DROID ITS LE BAD!!!!! 16:02:13 DANIEL MICAY SAID YOU'LL USE LE ACCRESSENT AND BE HAPPY. 16:03:00 and le closed source because secure 16:04:02 Why a Monero wallet should support USDT? 16:04:07 accressent is not proprietary 16:05:02 does it only allow monero 16:05:03 yes 16:05:30 is there no open source stuff that gives multiple chains 16:05:39 Because when Tether magically prints billions in a few hours it will also be able to destabilize the price of Monero more easily too 16:06:25 Cake wallet is the multi-currency one for phone that also support the Monero afaik. 16:06:25 But I did hear they removed it from FDroid and it's now on some other store?!? 16:06:42 Stack Wallet 16:06:43 Also https://stackwallet.com/ 16:07:10 or Cake Wallet, but I'm biased I prefer Stack Wallet 16:07:28 syntheticbird, I meant I read somewhere that closed-source is not banned from Accrescent. 16:07:36 But hey, also not on fdroid.org, so no open source, oh no :) 16:07:55 interesting i didn't know 16:08:18 At least they give their own f-droid repo link on the homepage. 16:09:07 You could almost get envious of the way f-droid.org was able to hammer "not open source if not here!" into peoples' head. That's marketing, people. 16:25:49 That's not what I said though. I just remembered that Accrescent allowed closed-source. 16:38:00 yeah, but it is very inaccessible, users can't create account on reddit privately using proxies, their account will get shadowbanned (ex: tob feather dev) 16:38:33 you vill use ACCRESSENT 16:38:50 PSYOP 16:40:48 I mean F-Droid got much better after criticized it not allowing devs to sign apps with their own keys, but now you can with reproducible builds 16:41:10

Compile with a pen and paper 16:41:32

Some glowing doors in all repos 😏 16:43:05 they just should switch to material you for their main clients or recommend using Droidify 18:43:42 <321bob321:monero.social> GOS groupie^ 18:44:39 <321bob321:monero.social> Monero.town ? 18:52:01 need to verify through mb 18:52:22 also cloudflare 19:00:20 <321bob321:monero.social> Only choices 19:12:19 With integrated addresses, where does the encryption occur, given that the payment id is unencrypted within the address itself? 19:12:36 I'm happy to be pointed at any relevant documentation 19:12:54 I'm currently looking 19:14:29 Is it just that all addresses get encrypted during a transaction, when written into the blockchain? 19:19:24 nah, that doesn't make sense 19:34:09 why is it not on fdroid? 19:35:20 btw I dont claim "not on fdroid=not open source", but if it is free software, popular and not on fdroid there is probably a reason that I'd want to hear. I know that stackwallet has their own fdroid repo so dont need to tell me 19:36:24 Stack wallet > because they never tried 20:00:10 <321bob321:monero.social> Cbf 20:16:18 may be it's not so populra 20:32:20 <321bob321:monero.social> Well monerotalk push cake wallet cause they get sponsors money and getmonero has wallets list that people dont look for. 20:34:49 what are you people using for trading 20:34:57 erm, I mean, gambling on crypto 21:59:19 Kraken, the only reputable CEX as far as I'm concerned. 22:00:13 Missed out on the talk tuah pull 😔 22:35:36 and Tradeogre 22:47:23 It was gentle tug 22:56:50 Basicswap 22:57:09 on that note, Trocador 22:57:48 I wish Monero Markets worked 22:57:58 220 today