00:00:40 <321bob321:monero.social> When its tested irl we’ll know 00:09:10 Depends on what you mean by “safe” 00:09:11 Are you talking about the privacy features being reduced, or the blockchain itself becoming abused (ie you use a powerful and magical enough quantum computer to brute force every single possible Monero wallet and steal your moneys) 01:44:01 I suppose the PKI that monero uses would be the most vulnerable component 06:41:25 And more CEXes where it’s listed would be great. I personally use Trocador or Exolix to buy or sell it. Marketing is important, but what we really need is higher trading volume. 07:10:50 Hey guys, which type of exchanges do you basically choose: fixed or float? 07:44:43 Your talking about a swapping service. 07:44:43 You usually use float to exchange X to Y 07:44:45 You usually use fixed when you want to buy something -or- if you think/know the price will move more than fixed fees in wrong direction while it confirm. 08:18:40 After providing the info about my CCS on Town and reddit (thank you, @gr8ful4) yesterday, I just went on to issue the MR. 08:20:30 hello 08:24:05 Any Cashapp? Chime? Zelle? Btc? Usdt?Skrill? Apple Pay? Pay pal? Venmo? BOA? Wells Fargo? 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After being delisted the majority of volume, its becoming harder and harder to suppress 15:15:00 I would be interested to see what would happen if Kraken delisted 15:26:27 More dex volume 15:26:52 Still, as a project we have a lot of work to do 15:28:05 if only @monero would tweet less bullshit and instead try to onboard some talent for dev work 15:28:30 we absolutely need serai before that 15:29:55 I dont see why 15:30:05 Serai has nothing 2 do with fiat 15:32:13 And is essentially wrapping xmr into a smart contract. Its a nice tool, but monero's survival doesnt hinge on serai or thorchain. I'm skeptical about volume as well. Its eth, dai, xmr and btc, and requires btc, eth, dai and xmr liquidity providers to hold and stake sri - aiui, a new blockchain 15:32:33 Its a nice tool, but not something i see as a panacea 15:33:22 Serai doesnt fix monero, it just gives some incentive for liquidity providers to make (or potentially lose) some money 15:33:38 nice that btc went up after monero delistings 15:33:41 To passively* make 17:50:40 What is Serai going to look like in terms of fees and swap times? 17:51:10 (Yes ik it’ll depend on the trading pair but idk if it’s just going to be a single fee in X currency or multiple) 18:14:52 Is Monero still supported on Windows 7? The stability has been concerning lately. 18:17:52 Windows 7 is no longer even supported by Microsoft 18:18:40 Yes, I am well aware. Let's not dig into that. 18:19:17 I think it's worth an attempt to run it, if you insist on using Windows 7. I see a good chance that it still works 18:22:25 p2pool windows release does support windows 7, but it's getting harder and harder to maintain this support. I don't know about Monero binaries 18:22:44 Why I'm asking is because it seems to randomly work and randomly shit the bed depending on the dice roll. For example, when trying the initial sync from the same VM snapshot, one time it does that perfectly, another time it reaches about 75%, then practically grinds to a halt with 0.2% per hour progress, other time it completely bricks the daemon after reaching certain block height. I'm trying to pinpoint the issue. 18:23:12 Malicious actors on the P2P network perhaps? 18:23:24 is your windows 7 64-bit or 32-bit? 18:23:36 W7 SP1 64-bit of course 18:23:48 You can try to give more RAM to this VM 18:24:03 Have you tried using the ban list ? 18:24:20 VM has at least 16 GB RAM, I usually give it 64 GB for the initial sync 18:24:26 Not just tried, my nodes use the ban list without issues 18:24:40 some games run better on earlier versions of windows.. more frames per second is more important than security for alot of people 18:24:42 What are ban lists? 18:25:03 IP addresses of malicious nodes 18:25:53 so this is not just a speculation? 18:28:02 ban list has been around for a long time 18:28:21 But some new malicious nodes were found recently 18:29:04 In what ways can Monero nodes be malicious? 18:29:51 could this cause the issue of monerod crashing/stopping sync? 18:30:20 simplest example would be high fees. they may suggest 3xmr as the transaction fee 18:30:52 or they can spy on which IP sends each transaction 18:31:38 I'm running a full node so that's probably not affected by the tx fee? 18:32:55 sech1, this is kinda obvious, but anything that could cause denial of service on local monerod instance? 18:33:57 If I knew, I would file a bug bounty report and get some sweet reward :D 18:34:01 if your node is running the reference / release software then malicious node problems wont effect you* however, the ban list: the goal is to connect to as many nodes as possible so they can see where the transaction originated from. Dandelion++ makes this difficult 18:34:05 <5igi0:matrix.org> something i was wondering is, why not using local node for the wallet RPC and use random nodes for sending transactions using tor or a proxy? 18:34:05 <5igi0:matrix.org> because it might help to mitigate the "trackibility" transaction spread mechanicism right? 18:40:30 It's realist to have a network fee of 0.01XMR? 18:43:08 Granted I haven't tried Monero on Windows 10/WIndows 11 spyware, but it does seem to work much better on Linux. 18:44:47 but assuming it works properly on Windows 10, why would it work intermittently on Windows 7 then, and not fail completely all the time... 18:46:40 ...unless what I'm describing happens on Windows 10 too? 18:49:52 No? 18:51:03 lol so I think this guys at https://changenow.io stole some monero from me 18:51:46 The exchange works ok btw. But their refund process is kinda sketchy 18:53:00 Stole some xmr? Sure 18:53:25 You'd be the first person to make such an accusation 18:53:35 They work w the feds, i don't think theft is in their portfolio 18:54:05 employees need some more pocket money 18:54:16 I asked for a refund of an exchange that was not completed but they refunded me `0.01004450585XMR` less than the total amount and they say that the fee was 0.01XMR when the fee clearly said ~0.000966XMR on the blockchain 18:55:07 fees on most exchanges are out of touch with reality 18:55:35 but if you needed to hassle an actual person for the refund, I'd say it's justified as a convenience fee 18:56:15 lol! 18:56:33 Yeah but the support lied 18:56:42 >According to the information received from our team, the network fees were 0.01 XMR. Since the problem in this case was not on our side, the network fees were deducted from the deposit amount. 18:56:43 That is what they said 18:57:08 it's so retarded 18:57:22 be grateful that they returned it at all, unlike some shotgun KYC/AML fucks who make up bullshit that XMR funds are dirty 18:57:46 lol 18:58:07 I woner if some of them can decline funds that came from swappers known to work with Monero... 18:58:20 they needed that 0.01 to sign up for monero.town 18:58:21 <321bob321:monero.social> Admin fee 19:00:12 they probably handle thousands of coins at the same time so they don't even think twice if a fee is too high or too low 19:02:24 for people used to dealing with BTC or ETH, 2 dollars tx fee is practically free 19:04:13 "Not cmnpleted" why? 19:04:15 Just what fees are they used to??? 19:04:29 2 dollars is like half my usual transaction 19:05:01 If its cuz u sent dirty coins, well, ye, yur lucky they dusted you with some fed coins 19:05:55 But u sent xmr? So.. ye, im confysed 19:06:09 Y was exchange not completed 19:07:35 Because at the end of the first exchange that I did, the page said that I could use the same address to exchange again, so I did, but it didn't work! 19:07:41 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nadeko.net/AlbNACoSlcfakCRaRHINywAC 19:17:07 any lmdb hackers here? 19:20:18 didn't know you could hack lmdb 19:20:27 whats your need orbifx, don't ask just ask 19:21:08 https://dontasktoask.com/ 19:23:14 this isn't a room for lmdb, so thought I'd first check it aint pointless 19:24:03 I wanted to ask if there is a technique to commit a transaction so long some other event has occurred in a robust way 19:27:01 Hyc 19:27:06 0xfffc 19:27:38 transactions in lmdb should be atomic? 19:27:54 if that's what you're asking 19:27:55 yeah literally what I was going to say 19:28:43 LMDB is atomic. You can always put the shit on async and forcec your kernel to be super slow at flushing pages but it won't be robust 19:34:28 <0xfffc:monero.social> orbifx very good question. Take this information with grain of salt. It has been awhile since I have touched LMDB and I am sure hyc will correct me. IIRC LMDB itself does not natively provide a mechanism to conditionally commit a transaction based on some external event, you can implement your own logic in your application to achieve this in a robust and efficient way. 19:34:41 fijxu: "I could use the same address to exchange again, so I did, but it didn't work" you've sent below the minimum amount, didn't you? 19:34:59 <0xfffc:monero.social> orbifx, now the question becomes how you should implement your logic. I would prefer callbacks in that scenario. 19:36:09 bensharara: Oh you are right 19:37:50 <0xfffc:monero.social> AFAICT LMDB's philosophy is providing best performance while being as simple as possible. So providing API for event-based commit might not be suitable for LMDB. 19:39:00 0xfffc thanks for the answer. I'm currently doing the own logic approach, cause I didn't see anything in the docs. 19:40:24 0xfffc why eould you prefer callbacks? 19:43:35 <0xfffc:monero.social> orbifx: as simple as `my_event_init(struct my_event_required_data, void * callback(bool, void *) )`. You would create your event like that. After your event was successful it will call `callback` automatically. If it was successful with first argument `true` and second with extra data. And you would commit your transaction there. 19:43:53 <0xfffc:monero.social> if it was unsuccessful you would `abort` your transaction in that callback. 19:44:07 <0xfffc:monero.social> keep in mind, keeping tx open will have huge performance cost. 19:44:42 <0xfffc:monero.social> so by design LMDB tries to force you to shorten that interval ( creating TX and committing/aborting it) 19:46:02 <0xfffc:monero.social> LMDB is so fast maybe it is better to write data as pending. You will add a field to your record. "Pending". 19:46:10 <0xfffc:monero.social> commit it "Pending", and only change it if event was successful. 19:46:27 <0xfffc:monero.social> ( this is different than callback approach , and might be even faster sometimes ) 20:11:40 0xfffc yeah, was going with the later 20:12:22 I can log effectively, like a write-ahead log and then resolve it if the second step failed. Curious if anyone had solved this otherwise 20:12:35 *differently 20:29:38 thanks 0xfffc 20:33:18 <0xfffc:monero.social> Welcome orbifx 20:52:45 0xfffc have you used lmdb to make something? 20:53:18 orbifx. 0xfffc has been working on monerod performance profiling, which uses lmdb 20:57:17 nice 22:02:32 hello 22:02:34 i am new to monero 22:02:58 i am setting up a new monero wallet and it says to either create my own node or connect to a node 22:03:07 and that having my own node is preferable 22:03:41 i was also planning to mine monero 22:04:17 can i just connect to a remote node for now? 22:04:31 if you find one BillyZane :) 22:04:46 i see, lol 22:04:56 what happens if my local node gets damaged 22:05:01 BillyZane. Your wallet needs to connect to a Monero node to synchronize to the blockchain. I recommend connecting to trusted public monero nodes at the moment. Your own node is always the best, but it will take a fair amount of storage on your computer. Mining also requires a node and preferably your own 22:05:05 you can also mine as part of a pool, but you'll probably need a wallet address to provide 22:05:22 85gb 22:05:39 i will almost certainly join a mining pool 22:05:42 BillyZane, your local copy will be damaged and you'll have ro redownload 22:05:50 i see 22:06:05 thank you for the help by the way 22:06:10 If you have 160gb of ssd storage available, you should run a node 22:06:34 is SSD preferable over HDD? 22:06:52 greatly preferred, yes 22:07:12 ok, thank you for that 22:07:24 i actually just bought a new NVMe drive 22:07:47 so, this is a question with regard to payouts 22:08:14 if i joined a mining pool, i would still need my own node? 22:08:39 or do i connect to the node that the mining pool utilizes 22:08:48 i'm just confused about what this node is. how it works 22:08:59 it seems like it is the full ledger itself 22:10:05 so if i join a mining pool, having my own node just makes me more efficient as a miner 22:10:12 ok i'll just get the node then 22:21:36 You don't need your own node to mine on a pool 22:22:24 When you mine on a pool, you connect to the pool -> pool is connected to their own node 22:22:38 ofrnxmr, i see 22:23:07 ok i am so confused atm. i have my own local node but it's apparently syncing, i thought it would start a download 22:23:18 but it seems i would have to manually download the node 22:23:26 syncing == downloading 22:23:30 ahh i see 22:24:14 so, while this is syncing just wondering... 22:24:24 there's something called P2Pool 22:24:33 do i have to find a pool or connect to a specific one 22:24:48 You should use your own node for p2pool 22:24:58 ok, sounds good. i'll have that 22:25:12 is P2Pool a good way to mine? 22:27:27 my guess is, this pool will credit you with a work done towards the pool's collective effort for finding a block, and will reward you with a percentage of the ward proportional to the amount of work you contributed 22:28:21 you can mine 22:28:21 a) convenience b) decentralization c) profit 22:28:56 a = pool. b = p2pool or solo. c = solo 22:29:24 mining solo is more profitable? 22:29:57 assuming average luck of 100%, yes. 22:30:09 lol 22:30:21 sorry my earlier statement came out jumbled up 22:30:30 what i meant is... the pool takes a fee right 22:30:39 pools have fees. p2pool is costly to consolidate. Both pay your average minus fees 22:31:35 what would happen if i contributed very little 22:31:44 say i just ran this for 5 hours 22:31:52 solo at 100% effort/luck would be the same pay, without any fees. If you have better than 100% effort/luck, solo pays more 22:32:25 how large are the fees? 22:32:30 solo wont find blocks in 5hrs. with 100kh (around 4 ryzen 5950s) youd find about 1 block every 40 days 22:32:59 Mining solo requires patience 22:33:00 i see. i was planning to get a 5950 btw 22:33:45 that's no problem, as long as i get the reward eventually 22:33:56 my guess is, i would see the reward in my wallet one day 22:34:08 it would be automatic, i won't have to do anything right 22:35:28 Right 22:36:40 it looks like P2Pool has no fees 22:37:56 it has no pool fees. It fills your wallet with tiny amounts of xmr that need to be consolidated 22:40:04 ofrnxmr, how does consolidation work? 22:40:25 Like have 3000 $1 bills 22:40:46 Cents 22:41:04 so when i make a payment, i'll have a wallet filled with small bills? 22:41:10 wtf 22:41:21 isn't the wallet just a single floating point value? 22:41:26 Yeah, like have 3000 pennies 22:42:18 Yes, you use a separate mining wallet; send ALL to your main spending wallet whenever you need to. 22:42:52 wow, ok i had no idea that was a thing. thanks 22:43:00 BillyZane, if you are interested in P2Pool (no fees, morr regular payouts) checkout Gupax (https://gupax.io/), which integrates xmrig and p2pool. This will make your mining experience more streamlined. Choose p2pool Mini option rather than P2Pool Main since you are just mining using a single 5950x CPU. You can either connect to a trusted remote node (beginner friendly) or a local 22:43:01 node (most ideal). Also, consider checking out Gupaxx (https://github.com/Cyrix126/gupaxx), a fork of Gupax, has other enhancements but recently integrated monerod allowing you to now run a local node, which is neat. 22:43:08 for p2pool, yea, use a separate wallet. For solo, it doesn't really matter since tour block rewards are public 22:43:32 mandelbrot42 advertising p2pool as no fees is false advertising 22:43:43 Its no _pool_ fees. 22:43:57 Sorry, I misspoke. 22:43:57 mx_mandel, checking it out 22:44:12 BillyZane, if you are interested in P2Pool (no pool fees, more regular payouts) checkout Gupax (https://gupax.io/), which integrates xmrig and p2pool. This will make your mining experience more streamlined. Choose p2pool Mini option rather than P2Pool Main since you are just mining using a single 5950x CPU. You can either connect to a trusted remote node (beginner friendly) or a l 22:44:13 ocal node (most ideal). Also, consider checking out Gupaxx (https://github.com/Cyrix126/gupaxx), a fork of Gupax, has other enhancements but recently integrated monerod allowing you to now run a local node, which is neat. 22:44:21 I meant to say no pool fees 22:44:54 thanks 22:44:59 well i am building gupax atm 22:45:05 I meant to say no pool fees. Post updated 22:45:11 Instead of paying fees to a pool operator, you pay tx fees 22:45:37 so gupax would be the tool i use for mining? 22:45:49 i wouldn't use the official monero CLI/GUI ? 22:46:07 you still need a wallet 22:46:21 oh i see. 22:46:24 You dont have to run the wallet, but you need an address 22:46:47 the wallet also has an option for mining built in to it 22:46:51 but gupax is more advanced? 22:47:04 Gupax is p2pook 22:47:20 i see 22:47:55 Gui wallet has p2pool as well, but slightly lower hashrate because it doesnt run with optimizations 22:48:16 ahh i see, makes sense now. but it says here "start XMRig" 22:48:46 tldr: xmrig mines at a higher hashrate than p2pool's built in miner 22:48:47 GUI doesnt ship xmrig. It only ships p2pool 22:48:58 i see 22:49:06 that's interesting 22:49:14 I think, mostly, because xmrig has a 1% fee and GUI cant support any centralization of funds 22:49:30 and they both run in parallel? 22:49:43 yes 22:50:12 man i am getting a crash course, thanks 22:50:53 so it looks like XMrig will utilize your GPU to do mining 22:51:07 nope 22:51:22 i have gupax running now btw 22:51:28 wait it doesn't? 22:51:43 xmrig can mine more than just xmr. It includes gpu support for gpu mined coins 22:51:53 Xmr is cpu mined 22:51:59 i see, makes sense 22:52:34 Most gpu miners arent even open source 🥲. Xmrig might be the only one 22:53:52 so XMRig automatically decides what coins to mine, exchanges it for XMR and puts it in my XMR wallet? 22:54:11 i wish i was doing this a lot earlier 22:54:46 No 22:55:01 You manually choose what coin you want to mine, and you get paid in that coin 22:55:29 If you want to autoselect coins and get paid in xmr, you'd use a pool like moneroocean with their xmrig fork 22:56:00 what should i use instead? 22:56:42 What is your goal 22:56:57 i want privacy 22:57:05 i want to be able to make purchases online using XMR 22:57:48 i don't need a whole lot of XMR, but just spending money 22:58:04 to that effect, i figure i could mine and get that pocket change 22:58:34 Check out xmrbazaar dot com 22:58:47 yes i have heard of some of these places :D 22:58:51 this is what got me interested 22:59:07 today i opened my very first crypto wallet 22:59:24 so i am a noob 22:59:48 fastest way to acquire xmr: Buy/earn 22:59:53 BillyZane you are at the good place then. We take care of noobs 23:00:14 ofrnxmr is right, mining is very rarely a plausible way of getting XMRs 23:00:21 Check out cryptwerk dot com 23:00:23 It's got a directory of platforms accepting Monero and other cryptos 23:00:39 i see 23:00:44 mining without a large operation wont bring you enough xmr to spend, but it will pay you to secure the network 23:00:45 But it's expensive and not everyone can afford it 23:00:59 ? 23:01:02 Bitcoin is expensive 23:01:25 19m btc @ $100k each. 18.5m xmr at $200 23:01:29 BillyZane are you european ? 23:01:30 FYI, i don't pay for electricity (i already pay for it through rent agreement) 23:02:04