00:09:34 loeasy6: i can't just copy-paste the files over? 00:10:37 why do i have to use monerod? 01:10:41 Monerod make a lmdb folder so you can just copy that with the extra files 01:19:23 5 days syncing on a HDD is just a few hrs syncing on an SSD 02:48:13 nioCat, yeah it's my first time syncing 02:48:24 Hey guys 02:48:26 i just transferred my files to a crucial T500 02:48:30 hi grop3r 02:48:46 and it's going really fast, like probably 30 times faster 02:48:49 Anyone know how I can on ramp with a gift card . 02:49:48 it will slow down the further you go, more txs and especially once you get past the checkpoints 02:50:08 checkpoints? 02:54:51 they get added when there is a new release, they make so that there is less to validate 02:55:17 oh i see 02:55:23 sorry for a poor explaination but I am a bit non-functional rn 02:55:23 that's good 02:55:28 haha, it's fine 02:55:40 i'm pretty sleepy atm but 02:55:57 it is remarkable how fast this is going. it might actually be finished in the next 2 or 3 hours 02:56:13 should take close to 24hrs to sync 02:56:20 On ramp into any crypto I can swap to xmr? 02:56:28 trocador.app 03:06:03 Has to allow me to do get crypto with gift cards, all the exchanges I could choose from only do bank transfer and ATM card 03:06:39 https://trocador.app/en/giftcards/ 03:31:26 I did take a look but unfortunately I'm looking for the reversed. Using gift cards to buy crypto 03:40:40 Not sure if this is the right group. I am having issues with the Cake wallet. When I try to send it just times out and never sends. What can I do? Any advice grately appreciated! 03:41:30 I am on a DeGoogled Pixel 3 since the wallet would not re-install on my Brax2 phone. 03:42:13 Haveno maybe? 04:23:14 Change node 08:59:52 <17e:matrix.org> Hello. Is there a recommended PC/CPU for mining which is a sweetspot between costs and rewards? 09:39:53 Any Cashapp? Chime? Zelle? Btc? Usdt?Skrill? Apple Pay? Pay pal? Venmo? BOA? Wells Fargo? 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Because the cpu would be 100% busy. 12:54:17 my 5950 x makes 0.54 USD per day rn at an electric cost of 0.29 USD, leaving about 25 cents a day in profit (at 0.12 USD per kW-hr) 12:54:17 that's if you only count the 100 watts pulled by the CPU itself. if you measure wattage at the wall, profit is practically zero 12:56:02 It kinda depends, the 3900x was more usable mining at 100% (I think) because mining didn't fill the entire L3 cache, whereas on my 5950x it does, and the difference is noticable 12:57:10 that said, I mine with 31 threads instead of 32 and the difference is negligible. Now, I do turn it off or set it to only use 16 threads if I'm doing something else that's a heavy CPU load like video encoding or compiling software or whatever 12:57:45 that said, I mine with 31 threads instead of 32 and the hashrate difference is negligible while making the computer very usable. Now, I do turn it off or set it to only use 16 threads if I'm doing something else that's a heavy CPU load like video encoding or compiling software or whatever 12:59:28 the server I have can only mine with half the threads anyway because of cache limitations, so it is also fine even though it has a moderate workload of running a few other services including a Monero node 13:27:06 Also, the price you mine at isnt necessarily the cost when you sell 13:27:50 Of you mined at 0% profit last year, your rewards are now worth 60% more than they were when you mined them, not to mention the difficulty was lower as well 13:30:56 really, if you sell your rewards for 0% profit, thats your own poor economics 13:31:46 selling your coins for <= the cost of production is a facepalm moment 13:33:59 Mining at a loss because of electricity costs when you could spend that same amount of money to buy more Monero than you get with mining is also poor economics. 13:35:00 That's why I stopped mining when it wasn't giving me a daily profit anymore. 13:35:41 Except if you mine for the fun of it or to use the computer as a heater, there isn't much of a reason to. 13:40:58 30c? Lol nobody suggested that you stop buying 13:41:33 I solomine and hitting lucky blocks is far cheaper than buying 13:41:40 Buying xmr is nearing impossibility today. And if you take into consideration how many hops and tax calculations for which there is a separate fee, you are not far from mining profits. Depends on our setup. Also people mine for various reasons, not only profits. 13:41:55 Especially if it costs me 2-3 dollars for 0.6xmr 13:42:49 And again. Mining at a loss is a you problem. Why would you price your xmr to sell at a loss? Baffling 13:43:14 If it costs me 300eur to mine 1xmr, that is the bare minimum i'd sell for 13:43:48 Selling at a loss is just donating $ 13:44:08 What are you talking about. Even if Monero can't be bought directly in your country you can just buy LTC and swap it for XMR on Trocador, that's simply two steps 13:44:33 The biggest difference between monero mining and other pow mining is monero is cpu friendly, so a lot of botnet mine at a completely free rate 13:45:34 Makes the entire network difficulty way more higher than it should be 14:08:37 i would say that higher difficulty is better. ofc, those that make money mining will have lower results. But then again it makes a 51% attack way harder 14:33:00 True, also I am curious can we make p2p mining like mandatory or at least punish non p2p mining? 14:33:14 No 14:33:40 Thats like saying "lets ban solomining" 14:37:54 Is @plowsof in this group chat? 14:40:55 Is there any way to solve the pool centralization problem? Since I think there used to be many times a pool control a huge portion of monero network 14:41:24 miningpoolstats.stream/monero 14:41:39 Its currently still a problem 14:42:46 Theres not much you can do to stop an entity from controlling their own hashrate 14:43:28 if i am a botnet, and all pools shutdown, i'd just start my own solomining proxy or my own p2pool network 14:43:42 That is true, if someone owns huge hash rate they can propose whatever block they like anyway 14:44:17 you can solomine to _any_ public rpc 14:44:49 You can even run p2pool using remote nodes (if the remote node has the zmq-pub port open) 14:54:41 Who is plowsof? 14:55:51 Dutch farmer 15:14:55 Do I jsut pm him for doing bounty site bounties? 15:14:58 Do I just pm him for doing bounty site bounties? 15:39:49 No 15:39:53 You comment on the bounty or discuss in 15:40:10 Monero Bounties 17:11:38 Hello friends, what do you think of this : https://x.com/LukeDashjr/status/1868885751876010158 17:11:39 I am beginner 17:17:16 bro has 11 children 17:17:23 GTFO of twitter 17:18:10 what's the problem with childrens xD 17:18:22 Who is he referring to 17:18:39 is who to reffering is? 17:18:50 he made his contribution 😂 17:19:40 lol 17:19:41 Luke 17:19:58 > Outright scam at this point. I was unsure because of one of the people working on it who seemed honest, but he went full scammer himself a few years ago too so meh. 17:20:53 monero doesnt support scammers.. right?? ??? ??? lol 17:21:59 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/DFeqhhZkpbXidgfqQYlDRXJq 17:22:04 ofrnpadme 17:31:46 <17e:matrix.org> Does that mean solomining is more profitable than pool mining? 17:36:06 Yes 17:42:18 <17e:matrix.org> Hm. I think I asked that a while ago and the answer was pool mining is more profitable. 17:47:03 https://xcancel.com/LukeDashjr/status/1868888963131527436#m 17:47:03 >says random bullshit 17:47:05 >refuses to elaborate 17:47:13 Chaid replies with: Thanks for proving my point, I’m glad I converted all my $BTC into $XMR 17:47:18 Chad replies with: Thanks for proving my point, I’m glad I converted all my $BTC into $XMR 17:47:39 <17e:matrix.org> Are you using xmrig? 17:47:55 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/bFqWwPNxxjRrMTYyksezMMlj 17:49:14 lmao, how can someone be this low IQ obvious troll or very [extreme dumbness] 18:06:13 Cat ran a very successful long con and now has all my monteros 18:06:28 this place is full of scammers 18:11:40 <17e:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: is it even possible to do solo mining on a remote node (in the same network) 18:13:02 yes 18:18:06 <17e:matrix.org> How 18:19:11 Be entering the node's rpc address in the pool section of xmrig 18:42:41 Maybe he is pressured by gov & stuff no ? 18:53:23 anti btc xmr maximalists are cringe AF 18:53:58 great_taste thx for being a reasonable human being. I hate XMR maximalism as much as BTC maximalism 19:07:13 More like: buy USD > buy BTC > do KYC > buy XMR. And pay fees for each step. I tried...I gave up. Better mine, earn small, constant, completely hassle free rewards, and help securing the network. 19:07:14 <321bob321:monero.social> Same as rust maxis 19:14:41 why buy BTC? 19:14:53 more fees 19:15:10 I agree with mining tho 19:17:09 <321bob321:monero.social> Expensive exchange 19:18:37 you need to buy an insecure coin with snoopable tranzaction history (BTC, LTC , etc). You can't buy XMR directly I am afraid. 19:20:17 <321bob321:monero.social> Buy a tainted coin first ? 19:20:28 <321bob321:monero.social> They drone strike for that 19:36:35 I don't dismiss that there are workarounds. But again, just headacke. 19:40:13 zcash -> monero 19:40:56 joke 19:48:44 marioob, for me KYC is a non-starter. 19:50:22 a) there's proof that I bought crypto that may or may not hurt me later; b) I'd rather avoid having another place that can leak my passport for everyone to take a loan in my name. 19:51:56 KYC is illegal under GDPR. FULL STOP 19:54:39 is it? I though european 'data protection' was a new name for the stasi 19:54:51 thought* 19:55:12 not true, 19:55:29 Not really, they want stricter rules for companies but more power to the government. 19:55:45 EU would have been land of le criminals and terrorists11!!!1 19:56:02 let's see....hm yes, europe is a surveillance-police state run by joogle and the rest of the TLAs 19:56:29 so I guess 'data protection' means protecting the collection of data by US TLAs 19:57:16 <17e:matrix.org> I did. But it gives me `read error: "end of file"` 19:57:17 <17e:matrix.org> My node config: 19:57:19 <17e:matrix.org> rpc-bind-ip=0.0.0.0 19:57:21 <17e:matrix.org> rpc-bind-port=18081 19:57:23 <17e:matrix.org> confirm-external-bind=1 20:00:00 we have different views over what KYC actually means. 20:00:03 What gives that error 20:01:08 <17e:matrix.org> xmrig: 20:01:09 <17e:matrix.org> `./xmrig -o node-ip:18081 -u [wallet-addr]` 20:02:21 need daemon flag 20:03:31 <17e:matrix.org> which is? just `--daemon`? 20:03:57 `--daemon 20:03:58 --daemon-zmq-port=18083` 20:04:32 Add zmq option if you use `--zmq-pub=tcp://0.0.0.0:18083` 20:04:45 Otherwise, yea, just `--daemon` 20:05:00 <17e:matrix.org> What is zmq actually? 20:05:06 This is for your node 20:05:43 Using rpc, you request / pull info from your node. Using zmq, the node pushes info out and you just listen for jt 20:05:53 Zmq is more efficient and "realtime" 20:06:53 Rpc will query every 1 seconds for new blocks (120 requests per block). Zmq will push the new block to you 20:08:26 <17e:matrix.org> Thanks a lot! Now it works. 20:09:25 <17e:matrix.org> With p2pool I could check with `workers` to see the hashrate of each connected machine. Is something similiar possible with just the node? 20:11:34 if you use `./xmrig-proxy` you can see the hashrate of each worker 20:11:40 Since youre using xmrig directly, press `h` to see the miners hashrate 20:21:12 <17e:matrix.org> Do I still need `-o node-ip:18081` if I use zmq? 20:28:05 <17e:matrix.org> So I started a machine mining on my node (in my local network) but when I type `status` on my node it says "not mining". Thats fine? 20:29:34 Yes 20:29:48 And yes 20:30:23 The node is not mining (the node has a built-in miner), xmrig is. 20:36:09 <17e:matrix.org> So the node is even not aware of the connected clients? 20:37:35 <17e:matrix.org> Does this mean zmq works or doesn't? 20:37:35 <17e:matrix.org> ``` 20:37:53 <17e:matrix.org> Does this mean zmq works or doesn't? 20:37:53 <17e:matrix.org> ``` 20:37:55 <17e:matrix.org> [2024-12-17 21:36:53.490] net 192.168.5.6:18081 ZMQ connect error: "connection refused" 20:37:57 <17e:matrix.org> [2024-12-17 21:36:58.517] net use daemon 192.168.5.6:18081 (ZMQ:18083) 192.168.5.6 20:38:17 <17e:matrix.org> Does this mean zmq works or doesn't? 20:38:17 <17e:matrix.org> ``` 20:38:19 <17e:matrix.org> [2024-12-17 21:36:53.490] net node-ip:18081 ZMQ connect error: "connection refused" 20:38:21 <17e:matrix.org> [2024-12-17 21:36:58.517] net use daemon node-ip:18081 (ZMQ:18083) node-ip 20:38:23 <17e:matrix.org> ``` 20:40:06 It doesnt know that theyre mining 20:40:31 Did you add the zmq line to your monerod? 20:40:38 ^ 20:40:47 <17e:matrix.org> yes 20:41:13 <17e:matrix.org> argh 20:41:16 <17e:matrix.org> commented it out 20:43:04 <17e:matrix.org> now it looks better 20:43:52 <17e:matrix.org> Why I was asking is because with https://mini.p2pool.observer/miner I could check the rewards. Can I do something similar now too? 20:47:52 No 20:48:13 You get paid when you find a block. Until then, there are nonrewards 20:52:34 <17e:matrix.org> Thanks for you help! 20:52:35 <17e:matrix.org> I hope I will be lucky :-) 22:55:32 You really don't need to do that. No matter if your first currency is Euro or whatever you can buy LTC directly with it on Kraken and then swap with Trocador. 22:55:33 If you're okay with a bit more fees you can buy directly with a debit card on Cake. 22:55:55 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/chat.nicecrew.digital/cGFjOHpoLkNkjkcoKGAtHlcS 22:56:52 Fiat is an insecure coin as well but it doesn't matter since Monero is not. Once you have it you can't be tracked. 22:56:53 And again, in many countries you can buy Monero directly. 22:57:22 And that's without even talking about Haveno (Reto Swap) where you can buy XMR directly P2P.