00:50:37 3-impetus-solo-letterhead-reward 01:00:21 My wallet file -> 🪄🪱🕳️ 3-impetus-solo-letterhead-reward 01:03:21 <321bob321:monero.social> Ooo flow charts 01:06:19 (edited) ✨ My wallet file ✨ -> 🪄🪱🕳️ 9-aftermath-erase-detergent-guidance 01:07:17 why LTC ? Lowest fees ? Default LTC gui wallet doesn't have the feature like in monero cli wallet where you can send every coins 01:10:39 Cake does 01:13:18 Low fees, fast, available pretty much everywhere. 01:14:20 Wait, my picture is unreadable, is it because of Element? 01:14:44 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/chat.nicecrew.digital/upTEQdPAaSVVQngBCOpXafeJ 01:14:59 Don't know why it compressed it so much 05:16:33 Hey, could you tell me several good places where I can buy XMR without KYC or a registration? 05:57:27 I can only think about Reto Swap (formerly Haveno Reto), but you need a bit of monero for the escrow to begin with. 05:58:55 If you're okay with using your credit card and thus the KYC you already did through your bank when you registered an account you can simply buy some Monero with your card on the Cake wallet app or on Monero.com 05:59:55 But when you think about it there isn't much of a reason to fear the KYC when you simply intend to buy, there's nothing illegal about buying crypto and everything you do with Monero after getting it can't be tracked anyway. 06:21:08 We are noticing a trend where KYC docs are being obtained and used by money laundering agents to create bank accounts, crypto accounts etc. There are even instances where loans have been availed using stolen KYC docs. So it is better to never do any KYC. You are not safe even with banks. Bank employees are being paid to steal KYC docs. 06:44:52 mark, my reason to avoid KYC is avoiding another place my passport can leak from. 06:46:42 Also in case of a crackdown, there would be a convenient record of the actions to know whom to come to. 06:47:28 But mainly still the leaks, because the overall countrywide situation with them is really bad. 08:06:25 The critical and serious step within your flow diagram is certainly **step #2**, which is crucial 08:07:10 outdated with the next haveno version 08:07:45 any ETA? 08:07:57 its already merged so cant be that long 08:09:17 I am still running "Haveno-Reto": what should I do in order to get that next version, you mentioned? 08:10:03 download it form retoswap.com once its released 08:11:01 i might write a reddit post about 0% offers when they release 08:12:11 this could be very helpful 08:44:31 It's an image that has been made for a streamer that uses XMRchat for superchats and wanted the easiest way for people to get Monero. 08:44:31 Telling them to download this computer software, synch it, and then buy P2P without knowing when you'll get your Monero doesn't meet the goal. 08:45:11 It's too much friction. You'll have more fees with a credit card on Changenow (the service that Cake uses) than with a CEX or maybe Haveno, but it's a lot simpler. 08:45:31 you dont have to sync anything 08:46:04 haveno is just a regular monero wallet with bigger scope 08:46:16 but yes, if this is for a streamer audience than the image is fine 08:46:36 for "regular" monero users we shouldnt tell them to buy with credit card though 08:47:03 but yes, if this is for a streamer audience, then the image is fine 08:47:23 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/chat.nicecrew.digital/gBtwuZkYSxziDwpnWTQtEpRX 08:47:25 Not my experience 08:47:50 you have to sync cakewallet the exact same 08:48:10 haveno literally uses cakewallet nodes by default 08:49:02 and since its a regular wallet, when you start it for the first time, you wont have to do much syncing at all (because its a fresh wallet) 08:49:40 I agree. Regular users should use a CEX or Haveno. 08:49:41 For one time users or the first time I think a credit card buy is pretty good. 08:49:43 It's what drug buyers on reddit seem to do, until they get mad at the fees and decide to register on Kraken. 09:48:46 The trades in Haveno/Reto are usually pretty quick depending which payment you use but my experinces are they have been pretty quick I completed a trade in full with xmr showing in my wallet in less than 1 hour Mark 09:49:26 > <@mark:chat.nicecrew.digital> I agree. Regular users should use a CEX or Haveno. 09:49:27 > For one time users or the first time I think a credit card buy is pretty good. 09:49:29 > It's what drug buyers on reddit seem to do, until they get mad at the fees and decide to register on Kraken. 09:49:31 The trades in Haveno/Reto are usually pretty quick depending which payment method you use. I completed a trade in full with xmr showing in my wallet in less than 1 hour Mark 09:49:41 yeah but if you never used crypto before, it could take a lot longer 09:49:45 > <@mark:chat.nicecrew.digital> I agree. Regular users should use a CEX or Haveno. 09:49:45 > For one time users or the first time I think a credit card buy is pretty good. 09:49:47 > It's what drug buyers on reddit seem to do, until they get mad at the fees and decide to register on Kraken. 09:49:49 The trades in Haveno/Reto are usually pretty quick depending which payment method you use. I completed a trade in full with xmr showing in my wallet in less than 1 hour 09:50:44 Oh was he referring newbies fair enough 09:50:56 imagine how quick 0% deposit offers could be 09:51:35 there is not even the 20 minute delay for taking the offer 09:52:01 you could complete a trade literally within seconds if the other person is online 09:54:52 Wanted to get Monero🤍 and the price jump up 🫢 09:59:29 It may jump even higher 10:05:00 It better stay stable as currency instead of speculative tool 10:07:07 Yes. Stable at $1000000 please. 10:10:55 for real 10:11:28 A stable 100x would be nice. 10:12:05 <321bob321:monero.social> Mooooooon 10:12:09 mark, bur a CEX gets and stores your passport ready to leak for all the digital robbers in thw world... 10:12:32 <17e:matrix.org> Hello. Can someone tell me what the difference is between a monero wallet and an account? I wanted to create a new wallet but obviously I added a new account. 10:12:35 Or in a streamer's case - haters wishing to harm and dox. 10:13:28 <321bob321:monero.social> Where is this ? 10:15:19 <17e:matrix.org> In the GUI-Wallet-App 10:32:18 A wallet is the "overall" thing. An account is a set of addresses held in a wallet. 10:32:33 When you create a wallet, you get a default account, "0". 10:32:47 <17e:matrix.org> How can I create a new wallet then? 10:32:57 I agree. 10:32:59 I am interested to get monero but a private way, not doing any criminal staff. Just don't want if government become totalitarian, didn't want them to even known that I bought monero in the past. 10:33:01 You can create more of them in your wallet if you want. Accounts are used to keep outputs segregated. 10:33:01 Just started to looking for places, and I've see exodus wallet being recommended change from bitocin to monero - is this good idea? Exchange costs and privacy? 10:33:28 IIRC, monero-wallet-cli --generate-new-wallet 10:33:53 With the GUI, it should tell you on the screen I expect. 10:36:01 Recommends https://trocador.app 10:36:17 Also use the official wallet to store your xmr 10:36:39 https://www.getmonero.org 12:28:52 Thank you.🙏 12:28:53 Why official wallet? How about __Cake wallet__? 12:28:55 Asking because Cake wallet is available in __Accrscent__ app store - (more secure to downland and install). 12:32:22 I don't think that's Official. Cake download page only shows Google/Apple stores plus f-droid https://cakewallet.com/ 12:33:26 anyway you can check the file hash and signature for any wallet. In fact, the desktop wallets, both the official wallet and feather, have well tested reproducible builds which I don't think I can say for Cake 12:34:00 and fwiw I have seen more people having issues with Cake lately than in the past. I've honestly switched over to Stack wallet for mobile for the most part. 12:34:58 How do the fees compare on Cake v Atomic? 12:35:03 feather imo has the best privacy configuration out of the box if you have a desktop available 12:35:49 the network fees are the same. If you are referring to swap fees, don't use in-wallet swap providers imo, just go to trocador or fixedfloat or whatever directly. 12:36:00 also stop using atomic wallet because it's not open source: https://support.atomicwallet.io/article/184-why-is-atomic-wallet-not-open-source 12:36:28 Atomic wallet? Or atomic swaps? 12:36:53 yeah atomic wallet is really unfortunately named heh 12:37:29 Intentionally misleadingly named* 12:41:37 GrapheneOS plus another Android device. 12:41:39 After set up wallet, is it better to do backup and set it up on another device? 12:47:58 "Apps do not need to be open-source to be submitted to Accrescent." - their FAQ page, and this concerns me. 12:54:54 Swaps. Who has the smallest fees? They're probably negligible though huh 12:55:28 the fee depends on the atomic awap platform 12:55:41 inb4 basic swap best 12:55:42 Basicswapdex and unstoppableswaps have 0 fees 12:55:46 called it 12:56:03 oh nvm you also quoted unstoppableswap 12:56:07 I must retire now 13:01:17 ``` 13:01:19 testimonials: 13:01:21 "... basic swap best ..." - Psychoticbird 13:01:23 ``` 13:27:49 Hello moneroanons, I come to you with a critical question 13:27:53 is anyone online? 13:28:21 I am in a dilemma here. 13:29:08 Lets say you have an unknown amount of xmr and now that you learnt Haveno is working, you want to buy another unknown number of xmr 13:31:17 now the problem, your personal finance plan allows you to spend unknown quantity of francs for gratuitous reasons, would you spend it to buy xmrs or buy one irl monerochan for 24 hours of private things? 13:32:17 hypothetically speaking ofc. Know that irl monerochans are legal and regulated in my cuntry. 13:33:08 xmr is legal but I think unregulated tho. 13:34:17 much obliged. 13:38:57 Both 13:39:16 Buy xmr first, use xmr to buy monerochan doll -> profit 13:39:51 weelll... by irl monerochan who does private things.. I meant something else.. 13:40:02 you know, something PG18 13:40:38 I think we all knew what you meant brother 13:40:52 cuss words? 13:40:53 that adult drink thing? 13:40:59 where to get monerochan doll 13:41:01 Doesn't change my answer 13:41:13 staying up after midnight? 13:41:40 monerobull @monerobull:monero.social had plushies 13:42:10 let's goo hello monerobull 13:42:43 hello 13:42:53 ofrnxmr: irl monerochans in my cuntry do not accept xmr, ive asked. :( 13:42:56 youre too late, had about 1 year 13:43:14 Ask harder 13:43:29 Use it to tip extra then 13:44:14 Show them buy.cakepay.com 13:44:15 I have..many times.. all I got was 'sowwy, you need to directly talk to the agency about it' 13:44:17 file 1709838573899536.jpg too big to download (2290260 > allowed size: 1000000) 13:44:19 1709838573899536.jpg 13:44:35 they have a phone, give em a tio! 13:44:37 Tip* 13:45:01 monerochan wiff hat on? 13:45:12 she do be cooking tho 13:45:16 Asking an irl monerochan to show me her phone in my part of the world...Straight to jail 13:45:20 agency?? where the independent escorts bro 13:46:04 i love that this discussion is on-topic 13:46:07 Too many excuses 13:46:09 My thing has to wear a rubber hat on.. by law.. while doing private things with monerochan.. so yes 13:46:26 Pure adoption talk :D 13:46:32 idfk what u are trying to say 13:46:53 rando we know you dont 13:47:23 monerobull: monerotwizler 13:47:53 If youre asking "should i spend FIAT on a "monerochan" that doesnt accept xmr" then youre asking the wrong questions my man 13:47:55 You know, I love monerochans.. they are good at doing private things.. more than otherchans who are expensite and tainted.. I am trying to buy one but having some issues.. the one I expounded on a while ago... 13:49:06 dont write stuff that sounds like human trafficking. we will have to ban you 13:49:21 And has nothing 2 do w monero. super offtopic. Either tip them some monero go go ask your question sumwhere else 13:49:24 I am asking.. should I spend my fiatbux to buy moneros or monerochans.. I want to buy MOAR moneros.. but I also like getting pentested while my pen is lying on the table with the computer turned off. 13:49:50 HuH, what?! NO! 13:49:52 s/pentestes/pegged stablecoin 13:49:53 That si not what I meant 13:50:04 yeah but it sounds like it when you say "ive been trying to buy one" 13:50:16 Youre asking how to spend your fiat 13:50:17 I think the answer is obvious: disregard females, acquire currency 13:50:20 Nonsensical question. 13:50:24 MB, that is not at all what I meant.. see my earlier messsages. 13:50:34 Okay, I am convinced 13:50:36 you can literally buy millions of monerochans btw 13:50:37 https://www.geckoterminal.com/eth/pools/0xa89f5fefa693418d6a40ef68366493baaa5c8212?__cf_chl_tk=jW_NrjA4KOD51SU9oicUoRYQ9GSldkUjZUsfmw6ZHwI-1733600313-1.0.1.1-iJfp1Bvx927lbuchpceFAVtweGGwn7b.005Vq.p1WaA 13:50:45 $MONEROCHAN 13:51:11 buy monero, then do what u want with it 13:51:22 thanks m-relay, I will cancel my 24 date with a tall monerochan and will just buy moneros instead. 13:51:45 @minth 13:53:46 Goodbye! happy solstice, happy channuka, merry christmas and Guten Rutsch! 13:53:54 *Good sliding! 14:01:20 I asked Cat and they say buy the montero 15:08:03 *hacking 15:27:25 My wallet file -> 🪄🪱🕳️ 6-hazardous-fracture-megaton-befriend 15:32:56 why are you guys not downloading my wallet file 15:42:26 oh, the worm isn't to say its a malware you need to use magic wormhole 16:06:19 localsend good if on local network 16:07:01 https://localsend.org/ 16:10:33 > on local network 16:10:35 Give me your address, and a I'll be on my way to plug in ethernet 16:11:56 https://xkcd.com/949/ 17:05:09 Real talk, though, Google's Quick Share works very well. There's a Rust implementation for Linux and macOS called rquickshare that works very well. 17:05:54 LocalSend is neat, but Quick Share is already present on almost all Android devices, so 17:06:25 Thx you so much you don't imagine how much i needed rquickshare 17:16:45 >Google's Quick Share works very well 17:16:53 yes! google is your friend!! 17:36:58 Sarcasm, yes? If so: just because Google (or any for-profit company that typically develops proprietary products) develops/owns a thing, doesn't mean that thing is automatically bad. Quick Share is basically just DNS-SD plus some optional assistance from Bluetooth. 17:40:56 google is your friend, and MI6 too! 17:44:47 or even closer to google, GCHQ 18:25:38 For some delusional people it's hard to believe that some big companies are mostly filled of people with very good intents 18:25:57 And a minority that dictates the good willing 18:26:24 I have complete trust in Google developers a human beings, their administrative, workflow, financial processes however, not so much. 18:27:19 Shareholders? Bosses? they are the rotten ones 18:36:12 yes true, most of the people are good 18:37:27 lawl 18:37:31 can't make this shit up 18:38:06 so what role does 'syntheticbird' play in the 'monero community'? 18:39:08 as2333 I've a role now? 18:39:23 that's what I am asking. Can't you read? 18:40:03 That's rethoric. Can't you think? 18:40:54 I didn't ask you so your rhetorical question or whatever you think you vomited is irrelevant. 18:41:34 oh be aware buddy you dropped your brain on the floor 18:42:07 "I have complete trust in Google developers aa human beings" that really made my day 18:42:31 as2333 glad I made your paranoia grow. now take your meds sir 18:46:22 <321bob321:monero.social> Compliance 18:46:40 tsmt 18:46:55 Did someone say my name? 18:47:05 Oh, you were talking to psychoticbird 18:53:47 <321bob321:monero.social> Slim shady ? 19:41:49 hi there 19:48:39 Hi 19:52:15 Only juliu can say hi 19:52:30 Ok 19:52:36 Won't say hi anymore 19:52:53 nohello.net thanks you 19:53:05 You're welcome 19:53:09 Monero Offtopic if you want to say hi to juliu 19:53:32