00:00:12 <m-relay> <ky:fluffiest.net> >cant greentext award 00:00:45 <m-relay> <ky:fluffiest.net> can i say nigger in here 00:01:06 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Oh my goodness gracious!! 00:01:11 <m-relay> <siren:kernal.eu> No you'll have to crawl back to where you came from for that 00:01:45 <m-relay> <ky:fluffiest.net> but you guys can put monkey emojis 00:01:46 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> oh hi ky 00:01:52 <m-relay> <ky:fluffiest.net> hi Synbhebird 00:02:00 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> you can't say n-word here sry bb 00:02:15 <m-relay> <ky:fluffiest.net> thats fine i have a very wide vocabulary 00:02:55 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> HOLY SHIT THE LOGS 00:03:58 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> epic 00:04:17 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> You want to cum here too bb? 00:04:23 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Meeeeeeooooowwwwwwww. 00:04:25 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. 00:04:30 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> PUUUUURRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 00:04:43 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> im a cat, a cat cannot be gay 00:05:00 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> False. Fake news. 00:05:36 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> damn you must be right 00:06:19 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> somehow #monero is turning into shitposting but #monero-offtopic is into philosophy 00:06:31 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> i must say that's a deep reflect of humankind 00:06:39 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> monero and offtopic have always been pretty much the same, rookie. 00:06:56 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Just that monero normally gets more on-topic than off-topic, but they both are trashy talk all day. 00:06:58 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> Maybe look into the mirror too 00:07:15 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> sir i'm a human being, not a matrix channel. 00:07:16 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> At least the retards the likes of Juliu and aswhatever numbers are contained in offtopic now! 00:07:39 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> You need to stop cat dog chat 00:08:04 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Philo wat. 00:08:16 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> alr 00:08:26 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Sophy, it's my middle name 00:08:41 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Show ID sar. 00:08:44 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Prove it or else. 00:08:54 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> else it will be 00:09:09 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Show papers. 00:09:47 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> no 00:10:31 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> And that is how we uncover a lie said by a kitten. 00:10:37 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Mmmeeeooooowwww. 00:13:12 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> wut 00:13:18 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> ky was banned in another channel? 00:14:04 <nioCat> #monero [XMR] Be excellent to each other and welcoming to newcomers 00:14:33 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> nioCat +1 00:14:58 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> ah ok its you plowsof 00:15:10 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> i was like, how did banhammer enabled himself 00:15:30 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Why was ky banned!? 00:15:33 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Dictatorship! 00:15:39 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> broke my CoC 00:16:04 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> The one that has been an open PR since 2019? 00:16:04 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Nice. 00:16:25 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> I wasn't even in the monero community in 2019 you moron 00:16:50 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> I guess I know who won't be eating salmon smooth food after dinner tonight. 00:17:27 <m-relay> <ky:pony.cx> now listen idk if i was banned for saying the n word or if ppl think im here to troll but if its the former 00:17:37 <m-relay> <ky:pony.cx> lets not put monkey emojis on my shit 00:17:38 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> He never gives up! 00:17:52 <m-relay> <ky:pony.cx> i mean i dont give a fuck but im literally black and double standard rules are kinda lame i think 00:19:33 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> `fluffiest.net` and `pony.cx`. He sure has interesting TLDs for his Matrix homeserver picks! 00:19:43 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> I am sure he is not a troll! 00:21:15 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> something cookie related next i hope 00:25:19 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Holy shit, I think he's sysadmin at fluffiest.net one lol. https://fluffiest.net/ 00:25:28 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> > For any inquiries, please contact @ky:fluffiest.net 00:26:24 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> yes he is 00:31:14 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> dont ban his instance just in case. I think i've seen other members here using his server 00:54:13 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> im surprised he is banned but you didn't deleted his messages 00:59:02 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Should have banned rotten tbh lol 00:59:41 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Ky seemed pretty normal until he said a bad word in response to rotten egging him on(?) 01:00:08 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> yes its just the n-word that triggered the ban imo 01:00:33 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> the second was evasion obviously, the `(kyun.host troll)` tho is coming out of nowhere 01:01:08 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> ^ 01:01:33 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Then u have rotten putting monkey emoji's bcuz he doesnt want plowsof to yellow card him 01:01:47 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> ^ i second this statement 01:02:58 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> cant turn a blind eye to one person constantly calling ppl _fill in the blank_, and then instaban someone else for following suit 01:04:54 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> ^ 01:07:55 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Words are used with context and intent. I'm not justifying or demonizing any words. I don't take offense to any of it, but from the outside looking in, there's an obvious dbl standard 01:12:31 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Theres a diff between saying "this is retarded" or "this is gay" and calling someone retarded/transexual/gay/midget/fat/short/n***** etc 01:12:32 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> and seems 1 person is allowed to try to get a rise out of ppl, and throws tantrums when given warnings. 01:12:34 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> other ppl just getting instabanned, even after agreeing to stop. 01:12:36 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> P = NP 01:12:59 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> ^ 01:15:16 <m-relay> <yatta:private.coffee> Wait who da 1 allowed person? 01:15:36 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> yatta, when ofrnxmr is talking about one person its obviously about rottenwheel 01:15:45 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> when rottenwheel is talking about one person its obviously about ofrnxmr 01:15:57 <m-relay> <yatta:private.coffee> I thot it was same person... 01:16:08 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> kewbit strikes again 01:16:31 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> You thought i was rotten?! Smh 01:17:08 <m-relay> <yatta:private.coffee> Bro I never know when y'all are trolling or not 01:17:16 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Rotten isnt allowed. He was banned 4 years for it, and he promised to stop to get unbanned. He cant help but advertise his fetishes tho 01:17:25 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> I'm never trolling 01:17:55 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> He is never trolling 01:18:16 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Also i'm never troll... \* ahem \* 01:18:18 <m-relay> <siren:kernal.eu> We're never trolling 01:18:25 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> \* AHEEEM \* 01:18:28 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> \* DYING \* 01:18:39 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> The hive mind never troll 01:19:40 <m-relay> <yatta:private.coffee> I'll figure this out eventually but still pretty sure you're all ofrn 01:20:00 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> You heard that ofrnxmr 01:20:15 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> he says im Siren 01:20:37 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Siron* 01:20:38 <m-relay> <yatta:private.coffee> Chillchillchilll 01:20:50 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Yeah Siron i forgot my name 01:20:55 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Close enough. Just not rotten. 01:20:56 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> her name* 01:21:28 <m-relay> <yatta:private.coffee> Everyone but her gotcha 01:21:36 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> her? 01:21:40 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> ROTTEN IS HER???? 01:22:37 <m-relay> <yatta:private.coffee> Bros i love all yall 01:23:19 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> EVEN HER???? 01:23:29 <m-relay> <siren:kernal.eu> Who's she? 01:23:32 <m-relay> <yatta:private.coffee> Ok not her then boss 01:23:39 <m-relay> <yatta:private.coffee> But everyone else 01:23:41 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> t̲͕̋̄̈́͝h_̹̱̍ͧ̆̕e̦͌̀̎́̇̕ h̵̨͎ͣ̌̑ͭi̤̦̒̅v̢̹ͦ́͗è̸̲͕̈̊͝ m̢̟͗ͥi̶̸̢̱͓n̼͓̩͔d͖ l͖̦ov̐͘͠e͂ y̭̞͓̝̋ͩ͞o̓ͣu̸̧̍̊͆͠ to͙͂̚o̢̔̈́̏͡ 01:24:16 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Thanks mbll 01:24:22 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Thanks mbll 01:24:29 <m-relay> <siren:kernal.eu> Thanks mbll 01:24:42 <nioCat> Thanks mbll 01:30:22 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> What a bag of weirdos... 01:30:59 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> In the meantime... my preview from offtopic is some talk about masons... and 'centralperk' is in there. Fun. 01:31:20 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Offtopic is officially the containment zone for the unhinged retards. 01:31:23 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> We did it reddit! 01:31:40 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> someone accidentally let rotten out 01:31:58 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Synbhebird (no paper, maybe too hard for a cat): mmmmeeeeeooooowwwwwwww. 01:32:14 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> https://matrix.to/#/!qqRhJzAUfTJRpMHqIP:matrix.org/$DcMeDtJ2m1aZQpP0j118aKYdcyDMFKMwJRonPUW-LI4?via=xmr.mx&via=matrix.org&via=monero.social 01:33:25 <m-relay> <siren:kernal.eu> Appropriate reaction 01:38:10 <nioCat> ofrn why are most of your links not for viewing by IRC? 01:40:24 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Because i'm racist 01:41:24 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its a link to offtopic tho 03:16:16 <m-relay> <gunter:kyun.host> 5322r3df2rrr3MEM210823-2.jpg-2-618x553.jpg 03:20:58 <m-relay> <gunter:kyun.host> I thought black people were allowed to say that 🤔 03:29:19 <m-relay> <yatta:private.coffee> I think even if they're black, if it's used in a manner to be anything but excellent toward another human, it's technically still not allowed here but I'm just reading literal guideline #1 03:52:33 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I think it was more of "ask stupid questions, expect stupid answers" 06:01:43 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Ban rust instances 07:11:34 <m-relay> <siren:kernal.eu> So what are you trying to achieve by pinging me in public rooms periodically and posting this image? 07:46:16 <m-relay> <siren:kernal.eu> Loser behavior, but it's good for other hosting providers who accept XMR and are more competent since you run an anti-ad for yourself. https://matrix.to/#/!cSwJDzxRuWndmFUZTd:haveno.network/$mSJKvO_6lVyNSJdGgL2ortUgCKe259l_XJwdFMXno4U?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=hackliberty.org 08:58:57 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> 🍿 08:59:18 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Nioc want to share ? 10:43:09 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> PUUUUURRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrr 11:18:53 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> servers.guru may I ask for alpine linux image support in servers.guru ? 11:19:08 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> or arch linux 11:19:27 <m-relay> <servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> We have an iso you can install it yourself from the control panel. Same with arch. 11:19:55 <m-relay> <servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> And if there is an iso you want to add that's not there, you can send us a link and we'll add it. 11:41:49 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Only if you wear the t-shirts 11:41:56 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> I have two of them 12:29:11 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> yeah, but this is irrelevant to what I asking about. 12:32:16 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> You said: 12:32:16 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> > Any reason for recommending these services? Also, is it better to buy resellers VPSs from known companies like Hetzner? 12:32:18 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Better imply order. You didn't specified what criteria you were looking into. We're in a monero channel, he assumed privacy. 12:34:49 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Want privacy selfhost at home! 12:35:02 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Made in `Dan's house` 12:37:57 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> he can scroll and see the main topic, he's not an IRC user 12:38:29 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> also what he talking about is security related 12:43:15 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "hetzner will have access to IP logs and such" is literally privacy related 12:45:03 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> None of them will die on the hill for you 12:46:02 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Same goes for VPNs 12:46:18 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Ivpn will die for me ! 12:46:36 <BlueyHealer> Resellers from big companies might be fine but I would much prefer a smaller datacenter. Less likely to get mass-blocked, and diversifies control. 12:46:40 <m-relay> <mmxxx:monero.social> huh? 12:46:47 <m-relay> <mmxxx:monero.social> ivpn > mullvad 12:47:15 <BlueyHealer> Why so? Used IVPN btw, very grateful for a favor they did for me. 12:47:40 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Its business at the end of the day 12:47:59 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> all vpns who run a legal business will spy on you if handed a court order to do so 12:48:10 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> All the audits are good, but if a gov comes knocking 12:48:18 <BlueyHealer> But yeah, wouldn't rely on a particular company (or particular technology, for that matter) on a higher threat model. 12:48:32 <moneromooo> I'm from the government, and you're help to help. 12:48:48 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Vpns are just moving your trust from isp 12:49:01 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> 999xmr plz 12:49:39 <BlueyHealer> 321bob321, and given that they do not block the same shit - shifting trust may be fine. Also if they are in a jurisdiction that is not buddy-buddy with yours. 12:49:52 <moneromooo> *here to. Jeez. Always mess up at right time... 12:51:19 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> mullvad wouldn't be allowed to offer services to americans if they werent compliant with US laws 12:51:43 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Depends on your threat model 12:52:58 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> MULLVAD WILL DIE FOR ME 12:52:58 <BlueyHealer> ofrnxmr, you mean it would refuse whole range of American IPs? Or how would it be enforced? I would not put it past them to make the service crypto-only for Americans. 12:53:11 <m-relay> <mmxxx:monero.social> i'd trust ivpn before my janky isp 12:53:25 <m-relay> <mmxxx:monero.social> mullvad too 12:53:36 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Your janky isp knows that youre using ivpn 12:53:41 <BlueyHealer> A ton of providers we use here are not whitelisted so technically disallowed to service residents. People use them anyway. 12:54:13 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And ivpn knows the ip that was assigned to you by your janky isp 12:54:42 <BlueyHealer> ofrnxmr, at least Mullvad offers obfuscation now. But overall the trend seems to be for people to set up their own XRay, VLESS or whatever. 12:55:00 <BlueyHealer> ofrnxmr, there are situations when this is entirely acceptable. 12:55:03 <m-relay> <mmxxx:monero.social> they know i'm using ivpn and nothing else 12:55:05 <m-relay> <mmxxx:monero.social> that's all i need 12:55:43 <m-relay> <mmxxx:monero.social> you act like that's a major "gotcha" 12:56:19 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No, ivpn can _easily_ share your activites with feds in your country, including who you arebby associating your ip addr 12:56:27 <BlueyHealer> If the jurisdictions are right, there may not be a *passive* exchange, and this may be enough in your case. 12:57:07 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i'm definitely not implying that there is ever a passive exchange 12:57:16 <BlueyHealer> ofrnxmr, yeah. And thus you don't depend on just one company (or layer of security) if the threat model is higher! 12:57:33 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> mullvad > ISP 12:57:58 <BlueyHealer> If you can be ruined by one request to a company, you're doing something wrong in the first place. 12:58:22 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm specifically saying that there is no guaranteed of privacy if youre connecting to using a centralized cloud service 12:58:50 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Using a vpn to commit crimes is honeypot advice 12:58:51 <BlueyHealer> yeah 12:59:17 <BlueyHealer> exactly, so you don't. Doesn't mean there are np usecases when it is perfectly adequate. 12:59:25 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> These vpns are designed to circumvent censorship, not to maintain anonymity 13:00:00 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> I'm going to drop secret sauce to eliminate the trust of VPNs having direct knowledge of what you are visiting: 13:00:00 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> connect to a VPN then use Tor browser 13:00:02 <BlueyHealer> Or avoid *passive* data collection in some cases. 13:00:14 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Bluey, i never implied that they dont have a purpose, only that expecting anonymity is foolish 13:00:44 <BlueyHealer> ofrnxmr, as if you would expect it anyway 13:00:52 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Or: use tor browser 13:02:17 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Bluey: seems there are a good portion of people who think a vpn is a valid substitute for using an anonymity network 13:02:25 <BlueyHealer> basses, even after a few years, I don't have an understanding whether a VPN + Tor is less safe than just Tor tbh. I know it is not recommended for some reasons, like a false sense of more security - but your circumvention server is much less likely to bw blocked than a bridge, so wonder if this introduces drawbacks. 13:02:37 <BlueyHealer> ofrnxmr, okay then 13:02:52 <BlueyHealer> Tor Browser is too slow for 1080p Youtube! 13:03:11 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> I would advice anyone that recommends using Tor only without using a VPN to search "tor stinks nsa" 13:04:09 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If everyone uses ivpn, that literally JUST moves the weakest link from isp -> ivpn 13:04:53 <BlueyHealer> From some comments I have read, seems like Chinese anons have Tor team beaten in terms of censorship evasion - as Webtunnel has some flaws in this regard that XRay doesn't... 13:05:17 <m-relay> <lucidlynx:envs.net> Even traffic traffic can be analysed as loading a particular website through it is still going to cause a unique traffic pattern 13:05:21 <m-relay> <mmxxx:monero.social> that's a silly hypothetical 13:05:22 <m-relay> <mmxxx:monero.social> everyone doesn't nore are they likely to 13:05:31 <m-relay> <lucidlynx:envs.net> Even VPN traffic can be analysed as loading a particular website through it is still going to cause a unique traffic pattern 13:05:33 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> U.S and Germany LE are known for running tor nodes 13:06:04 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And 1 company is known for running mullvad 13:06:05 <BlueyHealer> And US and Germany LE are known to not be on good terms with our government. 13:06:20 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> Mullvad have a solution for that https://mullvad.net/en/blog/introducing-defense-against-ai-guided-traffic-analysis-daita 13:06:41 <BlueyHealer> Also yeah, not sure how people operate on higher threat models, but sure they don't rely just on Tor. 13:07:02 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> doubt having bad terms with anyone country saved ransomware gangs asses 13:07:07 <m-relay> <lucidlynx:envs.net> Yes I was about to link to that too 🤠 13:07:59 <m-relay> <lucidlynx:envs.net> One can imagine the pornhub intro being a unique fingerprint 13:08:15 <BlueyHealer> basses, if you're doing ransomware, you're already down the wrong path anyway L 13:08:17 <BlueyHealer> LOL 13:08:50 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> thats just a noise protocol 13:09:00 <m-relay> <lucidlynx:envs.net> Yep 13:11:20 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> BlueyHealer, and? I'm not discussing whether something is right or wrong, just stating facts that being in a rival country doesn't protect you from the ops 13:12:20 <BlueyHealer> basses, yeah, if you're wanted on a high level. I think it is fine if your concern is being picked at random from the passive collection. 13:12:24 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> therefore.. Using a vpn doesn't protect you from the ops 13:15:19 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> In some cases it adds an extra hop (a mere annoyance if feds have to get a warrant). In some cases it can easily be utilized as a honeypot - users voluntarily granting a company access to all of their "private" traffic 13:17:41 <BlueyHealer> I know this sounds like victimblaming, but it feels like you're doing something dangerous like ransomware or DNM vending, OPSEC is very much on you anyway. 13:19:28 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Your crimes done have 2 be that bad. You could just be trading crypto on a cex that doesnt support your country ; evading taxes 13:20:46 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (Maybe not a great example) 13:22:07 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> I wasn't talking about myself if you are assuming my threat model is that high or doing any of this stuff. 13:26:44 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Mullvad will never let the feds listen to me. 13:26:46 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> FUD 13:26:48 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Banned for racism 13:26:50 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Thread locked. 13:28:22 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> if you are a journalist or a cybersecurity researcher working at companies that expose APT and state actors malware, your threat model is likely more or same as DNM and ransomware gangs. 13:29:35 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> or "if youre an anon working on a cryptocurrency project" 13:29:39 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> lets be real, 5$ won't pay for lawyer's coffee 13:30:01 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> i don't feel concerned 13:31:21 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> I'm already backdooring cuprate so there is no point to try torturing me in a dark room undeground far from any city in the desert 13:31:36 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats the spirit 13:32:13 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> will do after you become useless for them, leave no trace behind them 13:34:08 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> anyway, I would bet on getting that rust project finished in the first place 13:34:35 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> you shouldn't bet lmao 13:35:24 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> you better do or you will be bullied 13:38:04 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> roger roger 15:04:27 <remiliascarlet> Happy new year! 15:06:12 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Happy new year West Asia 15:11:16 <m-relay> <servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Happy new years 15:39:52 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> omg i said west instead of east kms 15:44:24 <moneromooo> That's the kind of thing you *really* need to get right when you declare war on live tv. 15:45:35 <remiliascarlet> West Asia is not a good place to be, at least until the Jews and the Americans finally fuck off. 15:46:41 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Weve always been at war with ... 1984 15:46:42 <moneromooo> The others get a free pass ? 15:46:44 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> oy vey, that's le bad to say such things sir 15:47:30 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> moneromooo free fuel at station + new year cake 15:50:22 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> moneromooo - Yes, of course. Cant have too many scapegoats or else it gets confusing 15:52:08 <moneromooo> Easier to select targets, though. "Does it look like a duck ? No ? SHOOT". 15:52:50 <moneromooo> Then again, it might be hard for illiterate people: "Does it look like a dick ? Yes, sir, they all do don't they ? Err, shoo.. err..." 15:53:08 * moneromooo triples checks this is #monero and not -dev... 15:53:30 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> lmao 15:54:26 * moneromooo imagines a country ruled by ducks after all dicks are driven off 15:54:35 <moneromooo> Imagine... 4BIRD STRIKE! 15:55:20 <moneromooo> Planes falling out of the sky, brave avian warriors sacrificing their lives for the good of all birdness. 15:56:13 <moneromooo> Avenging our geese sisters who've been sacrificing their livers for the good of dicks 15:57:20 <moneromeow> Happy New Year !! 15:57:44 <moneromooo> Oh yeah, hope there'll be one this year again. What suspense. 15:58:03 <moneromooo> I mean, we got lucky till now. So there's a good chance there\'ll be another one again right ? 15:58:52 <moneromooo> All these people at mightnight celebrating just because it turns out they have another year to look up to, full of more debt, hunger, asshole far right rulers and other niceties. 15:59:21 <moneromooo> Well, maybe it's time for the duck underground to arm, er, wing itself. 16:01:01 <moneromooo> Well, at least I'll leave this world better than I found it. I made sure monero didn't die an early death. Thanks to all of you guys working to give it more time. 16:01:41 <plowsof> 🍻 16:01:49 <moneromooo> We can get a population to water, but not make it drink. If they get rounded up by fascists later by having their financials traced, at least it won't be my fault. 16:02:47 <moneromooo> At least I'm glad my concerns are not that short term for now. Meh. Guess I need to lay off the vodka for a bit. 16:03:12 <moneromooo> Happy holidays everyone. I hear this riles up assholes. Whooo. 16:04:39 <plowsof> Ducks have been mistaken for UFO's , they could definitely start a war if they wanted to. Thats why i befriended a few at the local park. 16:05:11 <moneromooo> Objectifying ducks are we... :P 16:05:17 <moneromeow> moneromooo: thank you for all the fish 16:06:36 <moneromooo> And thanks to you all for feeding me while I worked on monero. Being able to leave my job to focus on monero all these years was only possible because of you. Even if I suspect most of you aren't actually ducks... 16:07:34 <moneromeow> I identify with mammals and birds so..... 16:07:59 <moneromooo> Jinx. Technically, so do I... 16:12:44 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Im a SyntheticDuck 16:13:19 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Sometimes i like to be an ostrich / emu / trex 16:23:02 <m-relay> <prancing389:matrix.org> Good article talking about privacy crypto. Basically, I look at this as positive when anyone discusses privacy in a public forum, since most have completely conceded their rights to privacy in today's society. 16:23:02 <m-relay> <prancing389:matrix.org> https://decrypt.co/295929/year-in-crypto-war-privacy 17:41:28 <m-relay> <shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Got into a discussion on Nostr about possible lightning network stuff on Monero. 17:41:30 <m-relay> <shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> From what i understand of FCMP++ transaction chaining you could make a multisig with a refund transaction to get back the money if the other peer went offline. 17:41:32 <m-relay> <shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> However, i seem to remember monero deprecating or removing timelocks a little while back because of the possability of locking an output for an insane amount of time. 17:41:34 <m-relay> <shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> If correct it seems like you could open a LN channel but it could only last 10 blocks before it would have to be closed because of the refund transaction being valid to broadcast. 17:41:36 <m-relay> <shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> If correct how would you even close the channel in its final state before the refund could be broadcast and what good is a LN channel that only lives for 20 minutes anyway? 17:57:16 <m-relay> <rucknium:monero.social> shortwavesurfer2009: The time locks that enable BTC lightning channels and Monero's deprecated time locks do not work the same. See https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/129 and the "Payment channels" papers linked in https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/94 17:58:30 <m-relay> <rucknium:monero.social> IMHO, payment channel networks are not a good design. Centralization of the network into hubs-and-spokes and poor privacy characteristics are two problems. Not to mention the fact that it is hard to incentivise their use when fees on the main chain are low. 17:58:44 <m-relay> <shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Rabbit hole here i come 17:59:10 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Excuse me saaaarrrr but i want my VISA like XMR payment, with instant confirmation 18:00:10 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> tho more seriously i see the concerns but i think that if another architecture does not come up at some point, monero adoption will naturally drag some developers to make a payment channel network. 18:00:19 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> and it will be used 18:01:08 <m-relay> <rucknium:monero.social> BTC Lighting isn't used much even for retail purchases. Maybe 6 years operating and high fees on the main chain. 18:01:19 <m-relay> <shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Oh shit. I can already tell that that is way over my head, LOL. 18:01:39 <m-relay> <shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> I just had to open the first link and read a little bit to know that. 18:02:40 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Don't be scared 18:02:48 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Well, well... I didn't have moneromooo drunk posting on NYE. 😂 That's a new one. 18:02:54 <m-relay> <rucknium:monero.social> When you lock an output in a payment channel, it starts to accumulate history. History is the enemy of fungibility and privacy. 18:03:03 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> cryptography isn't that hard, 18:03:04 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> you'll just need to torture your brain on some books for a year and it will be fine 18:03:24 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> It's used quite often in nostr zaps. 18:03:29 <m-relay> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> /me ducks out 18:03:52 <m-relay> <shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Irangefren on simplex was talking about payments without routing. Since you wouldn't be able to route between channels, theoretically it should eliminate the privacy issues with hub and spoke models and cause people to use it between people who transact often or individuals to services such as Netflix. 18:05:01 <m-relay> <rucknium:monero.social> Payments without routing occurs how? AFAIK, there is no design like that. 18:05:27 <m-relay> <shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Alice can't pay Charlie through Bob. Alice has to open a channel with Charlie directly. 18:06:32 <m-relay> <rucknium:monero.social> Oh, so no network, only individual channels. Yes, that's OK, but probably not worth the UX disadvantages compared to just pre-payment 18:07:45 <m-relay> <shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> The only time I could see something like that being of any use anyway would be for like close friends or roommates paying each other back and forth rather frequently. 18:07:51 <m-relay> <rucknium:monero.social> AFAIK, for the "trustlessness', you need to have a server online checking that you are not being cheated, and to broadcast a punishment tx if you are cheated 18:10:37 <m-relay> <shortwavesurfer2009:monero.social> Mmm, good point 19:21:49 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> There is no way @monero just wasn't excited today: 19:21:50 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> https://x.com/monero/status/1873759987807523192 19:28:45 <m-relay> <oieieio1:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/wkajSlatYDPHuRFIFJqGfWXq 19:29:02 <m-relay> <oieieio1:matrix.org> 🎉 Year-End Fun with ChatGPT and the Monero Blockchain! 🚀 19:29:04 <m-relay> <oieieio1:matrix.org> This year, we explored an incredible dataset: the entire Monero blockchain! 📦 With over 3.29 million blocks, this dataset contains: 19:29:06 <m-relay> <oieieio1:matrix.org> Block Height: A sequential number for every block in the chain. 19:29:08 <m-relay> <oieieio1:matrix.org> Transactions: The number of transactions recorded in each block. 19:29:10 <m-relay> <oieieio1:matrix.org> Timestamp: The exact moment each block was mined. 19:29:12 <m-relay> <oieieio1:matrix.org> 📊 Highlights: 19:29:14 <m-relay> <oieieio1:matrix.org> We uncovered blocks with record-breaking transaction counts and visualized transaction trends over time. 19:29:16 <m-relay> <oieieio1:matrix.org> From Monero's genesis in April 2014 to today, this dataset showcases the power of decentralized systems and cryptographic privacy. What a fantastic way to wrap up the year by diving deep into blockchain data! 🌐💎 19:29:49 <m-relay> <oieieio1:matrix.org> https://drive.proton.me/urls/7QR3BWC4DM#uo7KBYvQaoutDownload and place in your chatGPT 19:30:39 <m-relay> <loeasy6:matrix.org> It says it needs a passwod 19:31:22 <m-relay> <oieieio1:matrix.org> hmmm i tried it in incognito, it says its a public link 19:31:38 <m-relay> <loeasy6:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/sELigHGsrJhCJyRGeCnovPwN 19:31:46 <m-relay> <oieieio1:matrix.org> https://drive.proton.me/urls/7QR3BWC4DM#uo7KBYvQaout 19:32:15 <m-relay> <loeasy6:matrix.org> Ok, Thank you it is called block data 1 .csv 19:32:57 <m-relay> <oieieio1:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/FfYwslkgxzikEDwEErgkezzE 19:33:05 <m-relay> <oieieio1:matrix.org> yes 19:33:13 <m-relay> <loeasy6:matrix.org> Thank you 19:35:33 <m-relay> <oieieio1:matrix.org> https://drive.proton.me/urls/7QR3BWC4DM#uo7KBYvQaout Download and place in your chatGPT 19:39:07 <BlueyHealer> ChatGPT 19:39:09 <BlueyHealer> cringe 19:52:58 <as2333> chat-TLA