00:00:12 >cant greentext award 00:00:45 can i say nigger in here 00:01:06 Oh my goodness gracious!! 00:01:11 No you'll have to crawl back to where you came from for that 00:01:45 but you guys can put monkey emojis 00:01:46 oh hi ky 00:01:52 hi Synbhebird 00:02:00 you can't say n-word here sry bb 00:02:15 thats fine i have a very wide vocabulary 00:02:55 HOLY SHIT THE LOGS 00:03:58 epic 00:04:17 You want to cum here too bb? 00:04:23 Meeeeeeooooowwwwwwww. 00:04:25 Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. 00:04:30 PUUUUURRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 00:04:43 im a cat, a cat cannot be gay 00:05:00 False. Fake news. 00:05:36 damn you must be right 00:06:19 somehow #monero is turning into shitposting but #monero-offtopic is into philosophy 00:06:31 i must say that's a deep reflect of humankind 00:06:39 monero and offtopic have always been pretty much the same, rookie. 00:06:56 Just that monero normally gets more on-topic than off-topic, but they both are trashy talk all day. 00:06:58 Maybe look into the mirror too 00:07:15 sir i'm a human being, not a matrix channel. 00:07:16 At least the retards the likes of Juliu and aswhatever numbers are contained in offtopic now! 00:07:39 You need to stop cat dog chat 00:08:04 Philo wat. 00:08:16 alr 00:08:26 Sophy, it's my middle name 00:08:41 Show ID sar. 00:08:44 Prove it or else. 00:08:54 else it will be 00:09:09 Show papers. 00:09:47 no 00:10:31 And that is how we uncover a lie said by a kitten. 00:10:37 Mmmeeeooooowwww. 00:13:12 wut 00:13:18 ky was banned in another channel? 00:14:04 #monero [XMR] Be excellent to each other and welcoming to newcomers 00:14:33 nioCat +1 00:14:58 ah ok its you plowsof 00:15:10 i was like, how did banhammer enabled himself 00:15:30 Why was ky banned!? 00:15:33 Dictatorship! 00:15:39 broke my CoC 00:16:04 The one that has been an open PR since 2019? 00:16:04 Nice. 00:16:25 I wasn't even in the monero community in 2019 you moron 00:16:50 I guess I know who won't be eating salmon smooth food after dinner tonight. 00:17:27 now listen idk if i was banned for saying the n word or if ppl think im here to troll but if its the former 00:17:37 lets not put monkey emojis on my shit 00:17:38 He never gives up! 00:17:52 i mean i dont give a fuck but im literally black and double standard rules are kinda lame i think 00:19:33 `fluffiest.net` and `pony.cx`. He sure has interesting TLDs for his Matrix homeserver picks! 00:19:43 I am sure he is not a troll! 00:21:15 something cookie related next i hope 00:25:19 Holy shit, I think he's sysadmin at fluffiest.net one lol. https://fluffiest.net/ 00:25:28 > For any inquiries, please contact @ky:fluffiest.net 00:26:24 yes he is 00:31:14 dont ban his instance just in case. I think i've seen other members here using his server 00:54:13 im surprised he is banned but you didn't deleted his messages 00:59:02 Should have banned rotten tbh lol 00:59:41 Ky seemed pretty normal until he said a bad word in response to rotten egging him on(?) 01:00:08 yes its just the n-word that triggered the ban imo 01:00:33 the second was evasion obviously, the `(kyun.host troll)` tho is coming out of nowhere 01:01:08 ^ 01:01:33 Then u have rotten putting monkey emoji's bcuz he doesnt want plowsof to yellow card him 01:01:47 ^ i second this statement 01:02:58 cant turn a blind eye to one person constantly calling ppl _fill in the blank_, and then instaban someone else for following suit 01:04:54 ^ 01:07:55 Words are used with context and intent. I'm not justifying or demonizing any words. I don't take offense to any of it, but from the outside looking in, there's an obvious dbl standard 01:12:31 Theres a diff between saying "this is retarded" or "this is gay" and calling someone retarded/transexual/gay/midget/fat/short/n***** etc 01:12:32 and seems 1 person is allowed to try to get a rise out of ppl, and throws tantrums when given warnings. 01:12:34 other ppl just getting instabanned, even after agreeing to stop. 01:12:36 P = NP 01:12:59 ^ 01:15:16 Wait who da 1 allowed person? 01:15:36 yatta, when ofrnxmr is talking about one person its obviously about rottenwheel 01:15:45 when rottenwheel is talking about one person its obviously about ofrnxmr 01:15:57 I thot it was same person... 01:16:08 kewbit strikes again 01:16:31 You thought i was rotten?! Smh 01:17:08 Bro I never know when y'all are trolling or not 01:17:16 Rotten isnt allowed. He was banned 4 years for it, and he promised to stop to get unbanned. He cant help but advertise his fetishes tho 01:17:25 I'm never trolling 01:17:55 He is never trolling 01:18:16 Also i'm never troll... \* ahem \* 01:18:18 We're never trolling 01:18:25 \* AHEEEM \* 01:18:28 \* DYING \* 01:18:39 The hive mind never troll 01:19:40 I'll figure this out eventually but still pretty sure you're all ofrn 01:20:00 You heard that ofrnxmr 01:20:15 he says im Siren 01:20:37 Siron* 01:20:38 Chillchillchilll 01:20:50 Yeah Siron i forgot my name 01:20:55 Close enough. Just not rotten. 01:20:56 her name* 01:21:28 Everyone but her gotcha 01:21:36 her? 01:21:40 ROTTEN IS HER???? 01:22:37 Bros i love all yall 01:23:19 EVEN HER???? 01:23:29 Who's she? 01:23:32 Ok not her then boss 01:23:39 But everyone else 01:23:41 t̲͕̋̄̈́͝h_̹̱̍ͧ̆̕e̦͌̀̎́̇̕ h̵̨͎ͣ̌̑ͭi̤̦̒̅v̢̹ͦ́͗è̸̲͕̈̊͝ m̢̟͗ͥi̶̸̢̱͓n̼͓̩͔d͖ l͖̦ov̐͘͠e͂ y̭̞͓̝̋ͩ͞o̓ͣu̸̧̍̊͆͠ to͙͂̚o̢̔̈́̏͡ 01:24:16 Thanks mbll 01:24:22 Thanks mbll 01:24:29 Thanks mbll 01:24:42 Thanks mbll 01:30:22 What a bag of weirdos... 01:30:59 In the meantime... my preview from offtopic is some talk about masons... and 'centralperk' is in there. Fun. 01:31:20 Offtopic is officially the containment zone for the unhinged retards. 01:31:23 We did it reddit! 01:31:40 someone accidentally let rotten out 01:31:58 Synbhebird (no paper, maybe too hard for a cat): mmmmeeeeeooooowwwwwwww. 01:32:14 https://matrix.to/#/!qqRhJzAUfTJRpMHqIP:matrix.org/$DcMeDtJ2m1aZQpP0j118aKYdcyDMFKMwJRonPUW-LI4?via=xmr.mx&via=matrix.org&via=monero.social 01:33:25 Appropriate reaction 01:38:10 ofrn why are most of your links not for viewing by IRC? 01:40:24 Because i'm racist 01:41:24 Its a link to offtopic tho 03:16:16 5322r3df2rrr3MEM210823-2.jpg-2-618x553.jpg 03:20:58 I thought black people were allowed to say that 🤔 03:29:19 I think even if they're black, if it's used in a manner to be anything but excellent toward another human, it's technically still not allowed here but I'm just reading literal guideline #1 03:52:33 I think it was more of "ask stupid questions, expect stupid answers" 06:01:43 <321bob321:monero.social> Ban rust instances 07:11:34 So what are you trying to achieve by pinging me in public rooms periodically and posting this image? 07:46:16 Loser behavior, but it's good for other hosting providers who accept XMR and are more competent since you run an anti-ad for yourself. https://matrix.to/#/!cSwJDzxRuWndmFUZTd:haveno.network/$mSJKvO_6lVyNSJdGgL2ortUgCKe259l_XJwdFMXno4U?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=hackliberty.org 08:58:57 <321bob321:monero.social> 🍿 08:59:18 <321bob321:monero.social> Nioc want to share ? 10:43:09 PUUUUURRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrr 11:18:53 servers.guru may I ask for alpine linux image support in servers.guru ? 11:19:08 or arch linux 11:19:27 We have an iso you can install it yourself from the control panel. Same with arch. 11:19:55 And if there is an iso you want to add that's not there, you can send us a link and we'll add it. 11:41:49 <321bob321:monero.social> Only if you wear the t-shirts 11:41:56 I have two of them 12:29:11 yeah, but this is irrelevant to what I asking about. 12:32:16 You said: 12:32:16 > Any reason for recommending these services? Also, is it better to buy resellers VPSs from known companies like Hetzner? 12:32:18 Better imply order. You didn't specified what criteria you were looking into. We're in a monero channel, he assumed privacy. 12:34:49 <321bob321:monero.social> Want privacy selfhost at home! 12:35:02 Made in `Dan's house` 12:37:57 he can scroll and see the main topic, he's not an IRC user 12:38:29 also what he talking about is security related 12:43:15 "hetzner will have access to IP logs and such" is literally privacy related 12:45:03 <321bob321:monero.social> None of them will die on the hill for you 12:46:02 Same goes for VPNs 12:46:18 <321bob321:monero.social> Ivpn will die for me ! 12:46:36 Resellers from big companies might be fine but I would much prefer a smaller datacenter. Less likely to get mass-blocked, and diversifies control. 12:46:40 huh? 12:46:47 ivpn > mullvad 12:47:15 Why so? Used IVPN btw, very grateful for a favor they did for me. 12:47:40 <321bob321:monero.social> Its business at the end of the day 12:47:59 all vpns who run a legal business will spy on you if handed a court order to do so 12:48:10 <321bob321:monero.social> All the audits are good, but if a gov comes knocking 12:48:18 But yeah, wouldn't rely on a particular company (or particular technology, for that matter) on a higher threat model. 12:48:32 I'm from the government, and you're help to help. 12:48:48 <321bob321:monero.social> Vpns are just moving your trust from isp 12:49:01 <321bob321:monero.social> 999xmr plz 12:49:39 321bob321, and given that they do not block the same shit - shifting trust may be fine. Also if they are in a jurisdiction that is not buddy-buddy with yours. 12:49:52 *here to. Jeez. Always mess up at right time... 12:51:19 mullvad wouldn't be allowed to offer services to americans if they werent compliant with US laws 12:51:43 <321bob321:monero.social> Depends on your threat model 12:52:58 MULLVAD WILL DIE FOR ME 12:52:58 ofrnxmr, you mean it would refuse whole range of American IPs? Or how would it be enforced? I would not put it past them to make the service crypto-only for Americans. 12:53:11 i'd trust ivpn before my janky isp 12:53:25 mullvad too 12:53:36 Your janky isp knows that youre using ivpn 12:53:41 A ton of providers we use here are not whitelisted so technically disallowed to service residents. People use them anyway. 12:54:13 And ivpn knows the ip that was assigned to you by your janky isp 12:54:42 ofrnxmr, at least Mullvad offers obfuscation now. But overall the trend seems to be for people to set up their own XRay, VLESS or whatever. 12:55:00 ofrnxmr, there are situations when this is entirely acceptable. 12:55:03 they know i'm using ivpn and nothing else 12:55:05 that's all i need 12:55:43 you act like that's a major "gotcha" 12:56:19 No, ivpn can _easily_ share your activites with feds in your country, including who you arebby associating your ip addr 12:56:27 If the jurisdictions are right, there may not be a *passive* exchange, and this may be enough in your case. 12:57:07 i'm definitely not implying that there is ever a passive exchange 12:57:16 ofrnxmr, yeah. And thus you don't depend on just one company (or layer of security) if the threat model is higher! 12:57:33 mullvad > ISP 12:57:58 If you can be ruined by one request to a company, you're doing something wrong in the first place. 12:58:22 I'm specifically saying that there is no guaranteed of privacy if youre connecting to using a centralized cloud service 12:58:50 Using a vpn to commit crimes is honeypot advice 12:58:51 yeah 12:59:17 exactly, so you don't. Doesn't mean there are np usecases when it is perfectly adequate. 12:59:25 These vpns are designed to circumvent censorship, not to maintain anonymity 13:00:00 I'm going to drop secret sauce to eliminate the trust of VPNs having direct knowledge of what you are visiting: 13:00:00 connect to a VPN then use Tor browser 13:00:02 Or avoid *passive* data collection in some cases. 13:00:14 Bluey, i never implied that they dont have a purpose, only that expecting anonymity is foolish 13:00:44 ofrnxmr, as if you would expect it anyway 13:00:52 Or: use tor browser 13:02:17 Bluey: seems there are a good portion of people who think a vpn is a valid substitute for using an anonymity network 13:02:25 basses, even after a few years, I don't have an understanding whether a VPN + Tor is less safe than just Tor tbh. I know it is not recommended for some reasons, like a false sense of more security - but your circumvention server is much less likely to bw blocked than a bridge, so wonder if this introduces drawbacks. 13:02:37 ofrnxmr, okay then 13:02:52 Tor Browser is too slow for 1080p Youtube! 13:03:11 I would advice anyone that recommends using Tor only without using a VPN to search "tor stinks nsa" 13:04:09 If everyone uses ivpn, that literally JUST moves the weakest link from isp -> ivpn 13:04:53 From some comments I have read, seems like Chinese anons have Tor team beaten in terms of censorship evasion - as Webtunnel has some flaws in this regard that XRay doesn't... 13:05:17 Even traffic traffic can be analysed as loading a particular website through it is still going to cause a unique traffic pattern 13:05:21 that's a silly hypothetical 13:05:22 everyone doesn't nore are they likely to 13:05:31 Even VPN traffic can be analysed as loading a particular website through it is still going to cause a unique traffic pattern 13:05:33 U.S and Germany LE are known for running tor nodes 13:06:04 And 1 company is known for running mullvad 13:06:05 And US and Germany LE are known to not be on good terms with our government. 13:06:20 Mullvad have a solution for that https://mullvad.net/en/blog/introducing-defense-against-ai-guided-traffic-analysis-daita 13:06:41 Also yeah, not sure how people operate on higher threat models, but sure they don't rely just on Tor. 13:07:02 doubt having bad terms with anyone country saved ransomware gangs asses 13:07:07 Yes I was about to link to that too 🤠 13:07:59 One can imagine the pornhub intro being a unique fingerprint 13:08:15 basses, if you're doing ransomware, you're already down the wrong path anyway L 13:08:17 LOL 13:08:50 thats just a noise protocol 13:09:00 Yep 13:11:20 BlueyHealer, and? I'm not discussing whether something is right or wrong, just stating facts that being in a rival country doesn't protect you from the ops 13:12:20 basses, yeah, if you're wanted on a high level. I think it is fine if your concern is being picked at random from the passive collection. 13:12:24