05:11:29 Hello, i'm not sure if i allowed to ask such questions, but my monerod for some reason syncs too slow. 05:11:30 I downloaded raw blockchain, imported it and trying to sync from 77%: 05:11:32 Sync data returned a new top block candidate: 2557988 -> 3319095 [Your node is 761107 blocks (2.9 years) behind] 05:11:34 2025-01-06 05:07:25.373 I Synced 2558108/3319095 (77%, 760987 left) 05:11:36 2025-01-06 05:07:57.643 I Synced 2558128/3319095 (77%, 760967 left, 0% of total synced, estimated 9.3 days left) 05:11:38 2025-01-06 05:08:11.422 I Synced 2558148/3319095 (77%, 760947 left) 05:11:40 It just takes forever to sync. I tried to use tor proxy, my VPS vless proxy, or tunneling daemon with Netch through my VPS socks5 proxy, it still dramatically slow. 05:11:42 Has someone encountered such issue? 05:17:27 the vps ia probably using an hdd 05:19:15 well yeah i'm using hdd, it it a serious cap at the point that connection means nothing to it? I'll try to switch blockchain to SSD, ok, thanks! 05:21:13 well yeah i'm using hdd, is it a serious cap at the point that connection means nothing to it? I'll try to switch blockchain to SSD, ok, thanks! 05:43:45 Yep, process went much, much faster. HDD makes dramatically penalty to sync speed. Now it's syncing pretty fast with SSD. Thanks again. 10:21:37 Hello, yes HDD dramatically reduce syncing speed because they are optimized for sequential writing/reading, which is worst case scenario for LMDB (database) that monerod use, which requires random reading/writing. 11:07:57 Got it. Also, is it indented that near the end synchronization speed almost dies? 97% on SSD right now and from last couple of hours estimated time left stays around 2.8-3.1h. 11:19:28 potentially. The time remaining is calculated based on the speed to sync the previous batch. 11:52:43 Yes it's perfectly normal 11:52:57 up to the very last blocks, monerod is syncing and comparing to an hash list 11:53:11 which is fast, since you don't have to verify 11:53:30 the last 3% of blocks however, are completely verified by your node 11:53:44 up to around 90~95%, monerod is syncing and comparing to an hash list 19:29:56 you're also liable to kill the HDD itself 19:30:00 ask me how i know ;) 19:30:56 how you know 19:31:04 👍️👍️👍️👍️👍️👍️👍️. 19:31:33 😏 19:35:11 Hello brothers and sisters 19:35:22 "Acceptance is different than real actual viable use. " btc actual use is 1:1 with xmr in a lot of places 19:35:46 People and businesses inclined to accept btc more than monero similar case for usdt 19:36:00 Acceptance is different than real actual viable use. Otherwise we wont see tron usdt spike in use. But that doesn’t represent the people of genuine economic use where monero can serve 19:36:35 I'm not simple talking about who accepts, but about volume 19:37:02 What's even the point of USDT if it is entirely controlled by one company? Why is it a crypto in the first place?? 19:37:04 But BTC is hindered by block activity for few people monero has better way for merchants activity 19:37:35 Xmr is hindered by tx size and propogation + reorgs 19:37:50 This is because BTC network and market cap is very big it is the most liquid asset 19:38:17 At 7tps monero will face more challenges than btc currently does 19:38:46 Isn’t monero having dynamic block size similar to bch? 19:39:07 Tx size matters, not just block size 19:39:31 We can have 5mb blocks, but can we verify them fast enough? Can we propogate them fast enough? 19:39:32 randomx validation is also fairly expensive 19:40:07 Now i get it :( 19:40:29 Don't listen to ofrnxmr 19:40:34 he is always wron g 19:40:45 tx size don't matters 19:40:53 Always always 19:41:05 But can you explain why previously btc and now bch can propagate transactions fast what do they have monero lack? 19:41:41 Tx are 1/5th the size of monero's, and their logic for relaying is better 19:41:46 nope sir 19:41:55 BTC and BCH are lacking dandelion++ 19:42:14 monero tx are intentionally slow to propagate 19:42:15 Monero spams/floods the tx pool to peers and consumes a lot more bandwidth than necessary 19:42:25 There was proposal in bch ti introduce that 19:42:48 Hmm that make sense now 19:43:03 There was proposal in bch to introduce that 19:43:18 Solution issue for reference: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/9334 19:43:23 So its basically propagation and speed problems? 19:43:32 Dandelion++ only effects the initial relaying (stem), but once its flooded/fluffed it becomes a bandwidth abuser 19:43:53 Thats the one 19:45:03 Yes. Uploading mbs to 10s or 100s of peers is intensive 19:45:17 only because you guys are using monerod and not cuprated 😏 19:45:37 A lot of info i have been using xmr for years now and never interacted with the community here :) thanks for the information 19:45:38 cuprate keeping secrets 19:46:37 <321bob321:monero.social> What's that 19:46:59 ASHVEN IS DAN ALT CONFIRMED 19:47:13 I see we are dealing with scaling issue in term of speed but thats still better than the problems BTC have on their shoes 19:47:41 Monerod should have similar verification times unless monerod is broken and curate knows where and how 19:48:09 Yeah btc is happily caped at 7tps and 600ktx/day 19:48:28 oh yes single verification time is the same, but cuprate scale it horizontally very well. 19:48:36 I use monerod most people are at least my peers and others 19:48:49 (i'd believe monerod is broken / not properly optimized) 19:49:02 Cuprate isnt released yet. Dont worry 19:49:04 ((monerod is trying its best alright)) 19:49:33 One more () and youd be a racist 19:49:38 Would be happy to use it if it is integrated with monero GUI 19:50:28 i don't think it will happen anytime soon. That would be cool tho. 19:52:44 Also lmao most monero GUI users are gonna use pruned blockchain. Cuprate don't support that yet. 19:53:24 Just have two questions never diged deep enough to answer them maybe i can use some new fresh thoughts 19:53:26 1- i already lived with the idea monero is for use not SoV because of non manually auditable supply 19:53:28 2- menero Devolopment is not centralized as far as i know but what does regulate the development process making sure it is censorship resistant 19:54:02 Lol i give full blockchain 4tb ssd i use dedicated machine to be mining node 19:54:39 1. I use it as a store of value since it's stable af. 19:54:40 2. monero development is super centralized lol 19:55:49 <321bob321:monero.social> Plz communicate that to monerokon 19:56:01 elaborating on 2. The development is centralized, accepted by Core team which include as active members: Articmine, luigi1111. They have the github organization rights, general fund access and can place veto on community crowdfunding process. 19:56:34 The main development work is done by paid developers/maintainers and free contributors 19:56:46 lol why? 19:57:03 <321bob321:monero.social> Read room 19:57:31 <321bob321:monero.social> We need to exit into un "stable coin" 19:57:33 Can you send that room i am new im matrix element 19:58:16 I think it doesn’t matter as long as. 1monero =1 monero aprrox. 19:59:21 This is why i also feat to store lots of monero because of inflation bug paranoia i have 19:59:32 This is why i also fear to store lots of monero because of inflation bug paranoia i have 20:00:17 But i love to use monero and mine at and i am dedicated for that since 2019 20:00:22 #monerokon:matrix.org 20:00:22 but also: 20:00:24 #cuprate:monero.social for Cuprate 20:00:26 #monero-dev:monero.social for actual monero maintainers/dev 20:00:28 #monero-community:monero.social for community crowdfunding 20:00:30 #monero-research-lab:monero.social for theorical nerds doing their moon maths things 20:00:32 #monero-research-lounge:monero.social same as lab but we can do shitposting 20:00:34 #monero-offtopic:monero.social literally reddit 20:00:36 #no-wallet-left-behind:monero.social For development work towards the future of Monero 20:00:38 But i love to use monero and mine it and i am dedicated for that since 2019 20:02:26 Technically luigo has merge power but he doesnt decide what gets merged on monro repo 20:02:28 Only on ccs 20:02:32 Thanks 20:02:54 You forgot about binaryfate, he also has org rights/powers 20:03:09 I'm not sure articmine does 20:03:12 ah thx i knew i forgot someone but couldn't remember 20:03:16 Artic stays uninvolved in the logistics 20:03:43 so sad he don't talk about scalability for github organizations 20:03:47 As community should we concern about hijacking the project in different direction? Like BTC? 20:04:08 i don't understand your question 20:04:17 No, the devs are all community 20:04:37 I have seen some forks for monero luckily the community win 20:04:47 We dont have any orgs trying to push bs, and if we did we have selsta to stop them 😁 20:05:35 every pull request has to be justified, approved, accepted by other community members 20:05:50 Any valid oppositions usually means it wont be released 20:05:57 However for the nature of development centralization is not concern because we still have good people until now not like what happened to btc by blockstream and btc core 20:06:40 So as i thought its still decentrlized 20:06:42 👍 20:07:11 <321bob321:monero.social> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1huzboh/use_monero_randomx_full_mem1_when_running_nodes/ 20:08:01 <321bob321:monero.social> ? 20:08:20 I dont think anybody has tested it 20:08:33 Benchmarked / compared it 20:09:03 ((cuprate)) ? 20:09:17 (((wdym))) 20:09:24 ((((yes ofrnxmr im racist now)))) 20:09:39 <321bob321:monero.social> Yeep 20:10:15 thats a new level of racism btw 20:11:01 <321bob321:monero.social> What's the diff pros and cons ? 20:11:16 u mean WOW? it is a meme and anyone taking seriously have serious issues 20:11:20 <321bob321:monero.social> Erc20 would be so proud 20:12:57 Cuprate is running in full mode iirc 20:12:57 "2025-01-06 20:12:15.1084 P2Pool Your wallet 48syci4YwcVGHKF4AF8HjLCmBafkeKc36S6TwzP21qTr3Xri9nowgbHbzZp7KDj7oEcJYZFe1kD4nVkThaF5NAYuFtu4CW1 didn't get a payout in block 3319598 because you had no shares in PPLNS window" 20:13:01 what does this mean? 20:13:17 pantato you didn't found a share, so you didn't get paid 20:13:24 o 20:13:38 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/KqOoCNtPwpEKvTUDSjEoSFwv 20:13:40 when you find a share, and that a block is mined by p2pool in its PPLNS window, then you'll get a reward 20:13:46 the big green text saying "block found" is pretty mean in that case 20:13:57 pantato I KNOW RIGHT 20:14:13 (((i love psychobirb))) 20:14:23 literally never heard of anyone of those, excpet WOW 20:14:25 Were all getting banned 🫡 20:14:34 Can regular folks like us test it? Lol 20:14:36 C u in the fall 20:14:47 also where is Signal coin MobileCoin? 20:14:53 There are no RPC yet but you can try syncing the blockchain with it if you want 20:15:02 Wow was created to combat one of those 20:15:03 fork of monero 20:15:09 banned? sounds like I missed out on a juicy situation 20:15:19 s/situation/conversation 20:15:39 Yea, its ok 20:15:48 Yea, it's ok 20:15:53 FUCK WRONG ALT 20:16:35 It happens 20:16:44 F KYC F who ever wana track me 😄 especially 3LA 20:17:16 That feels good :) 😁 20:17:42 https://kycnot.me/ 20:18:10 I Know this project amazing also 20:19:20 MoneroV iirc was the one that wownero was launched to take the wind out of its sails 20:20:35 Wownero has similar tokenomics to moneroV (10x supply), but used a new genesis block to prevent revealing true spends like monerov would have 20:20:49 who made parantheses racist and how? 20:21:12 <321bob321:monero.social> C u next tuesday 20:21:55 tuesday 2025 20:21:56 2026* 20:22:46 Too2manyQ5: ofrnxmr did 20:23:29 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/hSnOWuXmUwDbiBfwCTXGJwtd 20:23:34 everywhere i pass, i see his face 20:23:38 ofrnxmr: 20:23:41 Too2manyQ5 is asking to many qs 20:24:00 is only 2 20:25:07 Two2many 20:25:26 <321bob321:monero.social> Job security 20:25:51 I see in feather but not sure what the problem is 20:26:06 qwebirc.. 20:26:10 kewbit... 20:26:12 probably try to use system tor and tor is not running 20:26:15 everywhere i see his face 20:26:18 Lmao 20:26:37 The name sounds like qtip 20:27:15 I don't read usernames amymore. Youre all the same person to me 20:28:40 basses, exch is so good. I love the app 20:29:04 found it on kycnot.me . Great site 20:31:40 <321bob321:monero.social> Tbh every new sus project that pops up I think qbit 20:32:47 how to avoid being a qbit/qtip 20:33:46 MOB isn't a fork, it's a reimplementation 20:34:14 same privacy schema (ringct/ct/stealthaddr) but on a different consensus protocol 20:45:32 <321bob321:monero.social> C u next tuesday <<>> but it is tuesday 20:55:02 Its basically a code fork 20:55:10 Not a hard fork 20:55:50 Like how bch is a hard fork but ltc, doge, etc are all code forks. 20:59:20 but it's not cryptonote 21:02:51 MOB is not what you would usually call a "code fork". You don't call something coded in Rust a code fork of something in C++ 21:03:22 "MOB isn't a fork, it's a reimplementation" re-implementation sounds more like it IMHO 21:26:24 is mob rust? Ive never looked at its code at all 21:26:54 yes it is 21:27:13 <321bob321:monero.social> exciting 21:27:39 howcome cuprate couldnt copy them 21:28:29 <321bob321:monero.social> fighting words 21:28:57 first of all, we didn't think about it. 21:28:58 second, we had better rust inspiration such as reth and zebra. 21:29:00 third, mobilecoin is not FOSS and have shitty license 21:29:02 fourth, we don't look at shitcoins that rely on intel SGX 21:29:20 I only thought they were the same because ztm2 and the mobilecoin book share a lot, and koe worked on mobilecoin 21:30:13 Yeah it was supposed to be a good privacy coin until company interest kicked in. 21:30:52 > Patch release. Fixes issue in ledger-distribution binary synchronizing local database with remote S3 storage. 21:30:54 Latest update. Anyone making a PR for S3 storage support on monero wallet/node would be annihilated for heresy 21:31:24 rightfully so. 21:32:06 They (ZCash, MOB) have money (paid cryptographer and developer) we have freedom (and real privacy). 21:33:02 we want cryptographer too :( :P 21:33:22 learn maths 21:33:24 become one 21:38:15 <321bob321:monero.social> i can store my LMDB in s3 ? 21:56:45 marlinspike bought a dope house in LA off it tho 😂 21:57:08