06:57:47 New BTC ATH! 12:17:58 hello everyone 12:19:18 hi mani 12:22:31 my ISP charges me for data transfer; does mining monero transfer lots of data? 12:23:00 my ISP charges me for data transfer; does mining monero upload or download lots of data? 12:24:14 I mean does it upload or download more than 1 megabit per second? 12:24:22 you'll have to download the entire monero blockchain, when you first start 12:24:32 and also keep downloading the blockchain while mining 12:24:45 (for new blocks to mine) 12:24:54 so i'd say, more or less, yeah 12:25:02 that's going to be expensive 12:25:42 you don't have to download the entire blockchain if you mine off of a remote node 12:25:54 but you'd still need to communicate with the remote node for new blocks 12:26:47 the monero cli client gives me this warning: 12:26:48 ``` 12:26:50 The daemon is not set up to background mine. 12:26:52 With background mining enabled, the daemon will mine when idle and not on battery. 12:26:54 Enabling this supports the network you are using, and makes you eligible for receiving new monero 12:26:56 ``` 12:26:58 so there's no way to be eligible for receiving monero without mining it? 12:27:00 the monero cli client gives me this warning: 12:27:00 you don't need to download the blockchain in order to mine 12:27:02 ``` 12:27:04 The daemon is not set up to background mine. 12:27:06 With background mining enabled, the daemon will mine when idle and not on battery. 12:27:08 Enabling this supports the network you are using, and makes you eligible for receiving new monero 12:27:10 ``` 12:27:12 so does that mean there's no way to be eligible for receiving monero without mining it? 12:28:05 it's better to use a dedicated miner than use the less efficient one that is built into the CLI or GUI 12:28:45 you can get monero by buying or mining it, you don't get it for free :) 12:29:35 you don't need a node to mine 12:29:43 I think I didn't ask my question clearly: is there no way of buying monero without mining it? 12:29:43 yours or remote 12:30:01 you can buy without mining 12:30:20 they are separate 12:31:02 so I don't need to set up the daemon to be eligible for receiving new monero? 12:32:14 you use either your local daemon or a remote one run by somebody else 12:32:23 best to run your own if you can 12:33:03 the wallet and daemon are separate, wallet needs to connect to a synced daemon 12:33:34 how do I set up the daemon without mining monero? 12:34:22 download the monero software and run monerod 12:34:36 the d means daemon 12:34:47 sorry if these are dumb questions I'm new to this cryptocurrency thing 12:34:54 np :) 12:35:06 yeah I know that 12:35:21 you really need an SSD as using a HDD will take a very long time 12:36:30 so I have to download some large part of the blockchain regardless of mining or just buying monero? 12:36:35 ``` 12:36:36 The daemon will start synchronizing with the network. This may take a long time to complete. 12:36:38 ``` 12:38:45 the entire blockchain which is now ~215GB or you can download a pruned node which is less, I forget exactly how big a pruned node is, may 40% 12:39:04 max 90GB 12:39:28 or if you don't have the storaget, use a trusted remote node 12:39:35 the other option is using a remote node which is a node run by somebody else that allows people to connect their wallets to it 12:39:56 86GB is a lot 12:40:03 i know right 12:43:02 how safe is a remote note? 12:43:11 and were to find a trusted one? 12:44:35 indeed, thats the question 12:44:47 a remote node will know your IP addresss and has the ability to make you pay a large fee which you can avoid paying because you need to approve the fee before sending 12:44:57 the fee thing is very rare 12:45:00 Remote node are safe if you trust it. If you use an unknown node, it can in worst case scenarios weaken privacy of your transaction on the blockchain by manipulating what information the wallet request. Also obviously they will be able to attest that this client (your ip address) sent transaction X. If you use a VPN/Tor you don't need to worry about it a lot. But manipulation is still a thing 12:45:18 nioc There is a warning for large fees in monero GUI 12:45:35 a big red message saying WAIT ITS SUS THE FEES ARE TOO LARGE 12:45:44 thx, I never use it 12:45:50 does it actually say "its sus" 12:46:04 mani4d46: hold on i'll pull up the one i trust from monero.fail 12:46:10 prolly not. monero's professional 12:46:15 true 12:46:21 this aint wownero 12:47:47 monero is like a middle-aged man 12:47:55 while wownero is his zoomer brother 12:49:00 - https://node.sethforprivacy.com 12:49:02 - http://xmr-node-eu.cakewallet.com:18081 (This is from Cake Wallet infrastructure) 12:49:04 - https://monero.stackwallet.com:18081 (This one from Stack Wallet) 12:49:06 - http://node.monerodevs.org:18089 12:49:08 Prefer the https one. 12:49:56 I trust them because I know to an extent members operating these nodes 12:50:15 also for extra privacy if you want, you can use tor 12:50:19 while communicating with remote nodes 12:50:31 yes this 100% 12:50:42 yeah but how do you set that up with the GUI 12:50:59 monero GUI has a checkbox for using a proxy while communicating with a remote node 12:51:04 and price sources 12:51:32 and tor has a nice windows app? 12:51:39 gingeropolous i've always used Advanced mode and in daemon setting there is a remote node section where you can add whatever node you want 12:51:45 i think SOCKS5, by default it uses 127.0.0.1:9050 12:51:50 which is what tor listens on locally 12:52:05 node node2 node3 @monerodevs (node3 is hetzner so has more bandwidth/faster) 12:52:29 man, dats some $$ 12:53:34 well the auction ones aren't that bad... 13:47:05 ditto i used simple mode when learning and then in advanced I just set it to use my own remote node 13:47:28 ditto i used simple mode when learning and then as I understood the pros and cons more used advanced and set it to use my own remote node 14:49:48 Hey guys... 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Based on my experience, I realized that none of the stores is convenient for buying or selling cards, and I decided to make my own CC shop, which takes into account the pros and cons of all bank card stores on the Internet! 14:54:53 What will Joe biden give me for some ice cream? 14:55:04 Someone made a compelling argument that carding is a more "bottom-feeder" crime than being a drug courier. 14:55:39 i heard ice cream 14:55:49 how much for 2 tubs of it :P 14:57:33 About tree fiddy 15:14:17 He wont sell the rocky road tho 15:30:19 Ah yes, don't have the fun flavors like rocky road 😔 16:30:24 are we stronk 19:00:00 <3​21bob321:monero.social> I wouldnt use sith lords, it gets pumped by xmrbazzar 19:14:03 Stack Wallet node is the most reliable one. Cake also has great uptime but I think it has a rate limit on some endpoints. If you wanna use it for a payment gateway I guess that matters. 19:14:56 I'll just drop here the fact that Cake nodes have the whole blockchain in RAM. 19:15:55 I hope it's ECC memory then 19:16:18 sech1 i hope too lmao 19:16:31 its DC so i guess yeah 19:16:49 Not sure, can be Hetzner with desktop PCs 19:17:07 sech1 i know no consumer mobo that can have 300GB of RAM 19:17:14 Threadrippers? 19:17:39 aren't they mandatory ecc? 19:17:41 384 GB RAM max on DDR5 mobos (8 memory slots) 19:17:51 oh 19:17:51 No, ECC is supported but not mandatory 19:18:10 i see alright 19:18:25 Actually where did you hear about this? 19:18:33 i asked them directly 19:18:42 But if they run on EPYC servers then yes, ECC memory 19:18:55 Intel is for loser 19:23:19 Interesting, because they consulted Digilol about how to fix their load issues when their nodes were getting hammered months ago and that was one of our suggestions 19:24:08 yes amd is so much bette than intel. amd doesn't have any blatant backdoors 19:24:13 better* 19:24:30 Made them an infra graph which they apparently went on to implement alone :D 19:25:05 i got that info before the spam happened 19:25:33 i got that probably mid 2023 19:26:20 They were using VPS before that 19:27:38 And I remember discussing about disk type and usage so no way it was in memory 19:28:56 i got disinformation 💀 19:32:22 FWIW I do remember this being said before. 19:33:04 It might have been temporary for all I know. 19:42:10 Maybe they meant LMDB cache in memory 19:42:51 yeah, they have like 256gb of ram dedicated to the nodes 19:43:13 Lmdb, by default, uses free ram when possible aiui 19:43:43 i think this is just default linux mmap behavior 19:44:35 Hyc had said b4 that lmdb intentionally allocates as much free ram as possible 19:44:45 But doesn't block other apps from using it 19:45:52 Either way, cake's real issue was 1. Their broken background sync 2. Many p2p connections while (1) was forcing wallets to ddos their nodes 19:46:53 Having multiple wallets sync from genesis uses a lot of resources on the node. Add a large txpool and 100 p2p connections and youre essentially ddosing yourself 19:47:24 monerod skill issue 19:47:28 Their broken bg sync would cause wallets to corrupt repeatedly, forcing resyncs 19:58:16 Anyone going to FOSDEM early next month? 19:59:22 We can try claiming a birds of a feather room if there will be many people https://fosdem.org/2025/news/2025-01-18-bof-rooms/ 19:59:24 Else meet in the cafeteria as usual but it's been getting very crowded there 19:59:34 As a large language model, I cannot go to the FOSDEM early next month? I would be happy to assist you into any other inquiries 20:00:40 They'd protest if you came 💀 some people are nuts 20:02:15 Also Jack Dorsey's crypto company is their main sponsor this year. I guess they weren't so anti crypto but they still refused a Monero stand. 20:02:56 why would they refuse a monero stand 20:03:03 ethereum is literally worse than monero 100x 20:03:16 and yet, jack dorsey's company specializes in that 20:03:17 Becuse some people are only pro-crypto in the sense of an industry? 20:04:53 Cindy: they said there were too many stand applications this year. 20:05:08 Were there Monero stands before 20:05:10 ? 20:05:20 ah 20:05:52 There weren't 20:06:28 ethereum feels like a scam, to be honest 20:06:39 I don't believe that was the reason when refusing us. Last year they gave a stand to projects with 50 stars that nobody has ever heard of. 20:06:48 I can't imagine how you'd use a network with fees more than my biggest purchases... 20:06:56 siren, lol 20:06:56 you put money in it... for you to put money in it again to do literally anything with your money (due to FEES) 20:07:07 BlueyHealer: i have 12 dollars stuck in my ethereum wallet 20:07:09 :-) Some joker is entering all my IPs on monero.fail. This is total nonsense. There is only one monerod running in each subnet 185.220.101.32/27 & 185.177.207.192/27 20:07:18 that i can't do anything about, because i have no money for fees 20:07:23 i can't send it to anyone 20:07:33 It is good to give small projects opportunity but these people had nothing to show and tell for a whole 2 days. And I asked to fit us in any one day... 20:08:08 siren: some people are irrationally anti-crypto 20:08:44 i am anti-crypto in the sense i find NFTs or "tokens" (shitcoins) to be stupid 20:08:47 Cindy, that's very understandble, given WHAT out of this is in the spotlight - moneymaking. 20:09:12 I find it stupid when people use it in the same way they'd use stocks or other investments. 20:09:19 me too 20:10:19 it has gotten so worse, that if you ask anyone what's the best crypto to have, they assume what's the best crypto to INVEST IN 20:10:26 rather than to use as an actual currency 20:10:47 and you get recommended some absolutely unusable cryptocurrencies (like bitcoin and ethereum, with their massive fees) 20:12:47 :( 20:12:53 bitcoin's actual peak was in 2017, i remember the fees being very little back then 20:13:06 i could receive like 40 cents in bitcoin without any problems 20:13:12 (40 cents back then) 20:13:34 To be fair, I haven't used Bitcoin so don't know the scope of the problem - but with ETH I did red that it makes it unusable. Really sad that BTC is much more frequently accepted :( 20:14:15 i used ETH due to curiosity 20:14:16 Back in 2017, I only remember BTC from the news in context of "stocks" so ye, understand this. 20:14:29 and i ended up losing most of money in fees :P 20:14:43 How much did you lose, if it's not painful to say? 20:14:53 about 80 dollars or so 20:14:56 overall 20:15:14 if i tried to lower my fees just a little 20:15:22 my transactions wouldn't pass until next yea 20:15:23 year* 20:15:51 i'm glad i only put like 20:15:55 a few hundred dollars in it lol 20:16:07 holy shit 20:16:32 and don't forget the dumb L2 debate 20:16:34 I don't even have few hundred dollars in my savings! That sounds painful. Sorry you experienced that... 20:16:43 "oh you should have used polygon" 20:16:52 "oh you should have used blacrock, polygon sucks" 20:17:08 "THOSE NETWORKS SUCK, USE SOLANA" 20:17:29 why tf should i worry about what network i should use in a cryptocurrency 20:18:04 BlueyHealer: to be quite honest, those hundreds of dollars were what my friend gave me >.>; 20:18:21 That's even more painful :_( 20:18:47 don't worry, i still got plenty in my monero wallet 20:19:02 just that i regret making that exchange from XMR to ETH lol 20:19:42 Wow, not minding such a loss? 20:29:18 BlueyHealer: i mean 20:29:23 what can i really do? 20:29:30 money's gone 20:29:46 I mean not grieving. 20:30:14 Were you also unaware of such a drawback before? 20:30:33 i was kinda aware 20:30:48 i intended the money to be disposable anyway 20:31:46 Having disposable hundreds of dollars... I hope to be t this point eventually. 20:44:56 disposable moneroj** 20:45:00 ftfy 20:45:30 BlueyHealer: i budgeted 20:45:41 also when i said hundreds of dollars 20:45:43 it was like 20:45:44 200 20:46:27 253 actually 20:46:31 hundreds implies more than that lmao 20:46:44 i like to be very unspecific about my amount 20:50:07 sorry for being stupid lol 22:33:56 .bal 22:33:56 bogsuv: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command. 22:33:57 bogsuv: 0.00047551 XMR (≈$0.10) 22:36:24 .bal 22:36:24 Cindy: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command. 22:36:24 Cindy: 0 XMR 22:36:38 sad