06:33:07 <m-relay> <u​mask777:decred.org> so day one pardon for Ross was a lie eh
06:33:10 <m-relay> <u​mask777:decred.org> i'm shocked
07:51:02 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> the polymarket is for 100 days
07:51:11 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> trump made like 300 different "i do that on day one" promises
07:53:12 <Cindy> trump says shit to get votes
07:53:22 <Cindy> and then he does what he wants
07:53:43 <Cindy> if you asked him, he wouldn't have a clue about who the fuck is Ross
07:54:38 <m-relay> <u​mask777:decred.org> i will hold my breath for 100 days but not a single second longer 😜
07:55:33 <Cindy> he just nods along to get votes
07:57:41 <m-relay> <u​mask777:decred.org> he definitely has no clue who Ross is
07:57:50 <m-relay> <u​mask777:decred.org> doesn't give a fuck about the LP or McCardle or feel beholden to promises he made them at all
07:58:16 <m-relay> <u​mask777:decred.org> and will probably need to ensure he keeps law enforcement lobbies placated given the likelihood of general unrest, so
07:58:27 <m-relay> <u​mask777:decred.org> i'll believe he'll free Ross when i see it
09:53:16 <sech1> gingeropolous https://xmrchain.net/ is down
10:25:49 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Moneroworld ?
11:02:57 <gingeropolous> sech1, thanks. restarted the service... 600% cpu.... its probably the api
11:03:14 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> gotta rewrite the API in Rust you know
11:04:13 <gingeropolous> rust is everything
11:05:19 <sech1> "Don't use the API" lol
11:06:11 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/suggestion-elaborate-how-to-get-monero/16817
11:07:34 <sech1> I just disabled some of the heavy APIs on p2pool.io/explorer/
11:07:40 <gingeropolous> seriously. its like, its a damn p2p network
11:11:21 <sech1> ah, I didn't even enable JSON API
11:12:38 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh so thats why my sech1p2poolexplorerddoskiller.exe stopped working
11:15:10 <plowsof> Merchants using a free api for their payment processor keep getting away with it !
11:15:27 <Cindy> they can't keep getting away with it
11:15:53 <moneromooo> Damn those meddling kids...
11:16:22 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> back in my day there was respect to api providers
11:17:00 <moneromooo> Ah yes, those good people supplying the community with bees. Those were the days.
11:17:28 * moneromooo must remember not to make the jokes too obscure...
11:27:46 <gingeropolous> payment processor?
11:40:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "<p​lowsof> Merchants using a free api for their payment processor keep getting away with it !" Lmao,, true story
11:41:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/514
11:47:08 <gingeropolous> there's no infura here
14:55:41 <m-relay> <x​clark:matrix.org> What is the go-to monero hardware wallet?
14:56:24 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you just sparked a war
14:56:57 <m-relay> <x​clark:matrix.org> lol
14:58:08 <m-relay> <x​clark:matrix.org> I've heard that Trezor and Ledger both sort of have Monero support but I'm iffy on buying a ledger given their track record for security events
14:58:42 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think Cake Wallet just received support for Keystone wallet this month
14:59:02 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> very exciting
15:00:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think keystone is essentially the same ur stuff as anonero
15:00:29 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> so it should work with anonero, feather and xmruw as well
15:20:46 <BlueyHealer> I remember Ledger from having a breach lol
16:26:17 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> I remember Trezor from having an exploit
16:26:31 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> which one doesn't
16:26:34 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> arguably
16:27:10 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> NO YOUR THINKPAD 410S IS NOT A HARDWARE WALLET
16:33:07 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> 0-click deanonymization attack targeting Signal, Discord and hundreds of platform
16:33:08 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://gist.github.com/hackermondev/45a3cdfa52246f1d1201c1e8cdef6117
16:33:28 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> is that the cdn cloudflare thing?
16:33:34 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> yes
16:33:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lol, love the "deanonymization", you get access to broader location
16:34:00 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lol, love the "deanonymization", you get access to broader location thats all
16:35:19 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Signal instantly dismissed my report, saying it wasn't their responsibility and it was up to users to hide their identity
16:35:20 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LMFAO
16:35:24 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> YOU CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP
16:36:02 <Cindy> signal sucks
16:36:11 <Cindy> i'd rather use simpleX
16:36:41 <Cindy> signal is like one of the worst chat platforms considering that they force you to have a phone number
16:36:46 <Cindy> force you to use their official clients
16:36:46 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> LOOOOOL
16:36:48 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> cucks
16:36:54 <Cindy> shadowban you if you use an unofficial client
16:37:30 <Cindy> this gist is a lesson on why you shouldn't use cloudflare anyway
16:38:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, signal basically banned me
16:39:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> refused to relay my msgs, redirected me to some bs captcha that never worked, then when it dkd work... i still couldn't send msgs
16:39:22 <Cindy> people at signal were too much of a pussy to tell me they banned me for using signal-cli
16:39:27 <Cindy> ofrnxmr: that's the same thing i had
16:39:45 <Cindy> send something, get told to solve a captcha, i do, and then it tells me "verification failed"
16:39:56 <Cindy> signal-cli tells you to wait 24 hours
16:40:13 <Cindy> i waited 24 hours, and then the captchas magically worekd
16:40:15 <Cindy> worked*
16:40:29 <Cindy> it's like signal-cli KNOWS something that the official signal clients doesn't want to tell me
16:41:22 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> All Im asking is simpleX written in Rust with PQ KEX for groups
16:41:26 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> is that so hard
16:41:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Groups are hard
16:42:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They arent real groups
16:42:02 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> only because bro only know how to program in haskell
16:42:06 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They are a bunch of 1:1 chats all mashed into one chatlog
16:42:22 <m-relay> <c​rispycat:calitabby.net> haskell causes so many fucking issues
16:42:30 <m-relay> <c​rispycat:calitabby.net> for one the deb won't even run properly on my machine
16:42:34 <m-relay> <c​rispycat:calitabby.net> it just crashes
16:42:40 <m-relay> <c​rispycat:calitabby.net> file picker is terrible (java)
16:42:45 <m-relay> <c​rispycat:calitabby.net> ui is so buggy
16:42:50 <m-relay> <c​rispycat:calitabby.net> also consumes so much memory
16:43:14 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> they are already doing it with curve25519, the only difference is processing time because S-NTRU is slower
16:43:58 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and yes i've read the SimpleX protocol definition, we're on the same page
16:44:07 <Cindy> why is there no documentation on how monero multisig works
16:44:23 <Cindy> i had to read a ton of source code for programs that use it
16:44:27 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Cindy there are lot of parts of monero that are undocumented sir
16:44:28 <Cindy> multisig API works*
16:45:09 <Cindy> understandable
16:59:26 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/0click-deanonymization-attack-targeting-signal-discord-and-other-platforms/24244/4
17:01:26 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> quick quick abandon (Signal) ship
17:01:28 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we're sinking bad
17:07:47 <BlueyHealer> Cindy, well, they don't force official client - in fact, they forced me to use a third-party one because their official one would not let me register both on my desktop and recently - on my degoogled phone. No problem with Signal-cli or Molly respectively. But ye, dislike how they act passive-aggressive towards third-party clients.
17:08:30 <BlueyHealer> I did not get shadowbanned, but I couldn't bind a GUI client. Given it is Electron, might've been a good thing.
17:08:57 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> what "degoogled phone" u use?
17:09:21 <BlueyHealer> crispycat, YES  on the memory! Also I can't know where the moderation proposals will go.
17:10:03 <BlueyHealer> basses, why are you asking? Is this a question with a catch? I just meant by this that no Google services is running there.
17:11:42 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer are you schizophrenic?
17:11:54 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> where did crispycat and basses talked to you?
17:12:09 <BlueyHealer> Just before my messages.
17:12:34 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Can't see them on the matrix side
17:12:40 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Siren (comfy): am i blind?
17:13:05 <BlueyHealer> Doesn't display to you? Must be matrix joking. He's on matrix.org.
17:13:14 <m-relay> <c​rispycat:calitabby.net> pwned (sort of) by a 15 year old and clownflare
17:13:16 <m-relay> <c​rispycat:calitabby.net> that's impressive
17:13:37 <m-relay> <c​rispycat:calitabby.net> i've never considered signal to be anonymous, given the phone number thing
17:13:40 <BlueyHealer> Wonder if monero.social is being buggy.
17:13:50 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> I imagine there's one way to go with this. Signal restructures their API and they duplicate the uploaded files (sounds inefficient but reverse proxying the CDN to prevent this would beat the purpose of the CDN), serve each user a unique CDN link to not leak the identifier. Doubling or tripling their CDN costs in the process.
17:14:27 <BlueyHealer> crispycat, they openly say they are not aiming for this... Which does make it unusable for everything but people you know IRL. I cannot imagine not having separate identities for different groups.
17:14:43 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> yes, catch is that if it is not GrapheneOS then it is not truely "degoogled OS" but rather a custom ROM. https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm
17:14:49 <m-relay> <c​rispycat:calitabby.net> yeah that's pretty much how i use it
17:14:52 <m-relay> <c​rispycat:calitabby.net> mostly just family
17:14:55 <BlueyHealer> It is Graphene.
17:15:20 <BlueyHealer> The only family I use a messenger with is mom, and she uses Jabber with me.
17:15:25 <m-relay> <s​iren:kernal.eu> basses is rando, and he just replied with 'what "degoogled phone" u use?'
17:15:44 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ooooooooh i see thx
17:15:53 <BlueyHealer> Your server must be delivering out of order then... Looks fine to me and apparently to them.
17:16:18 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer it delivered it's just that basses pseudo is "rando" not basses
17:16:26 <BlueyHealer> ah lol
17:16:29 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> now i see his account is basses:matrix.org
17:16:38 <BlueyHealer> Bridge displays by usernamr
17:16:53 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> hey basses, I'm rando
17:16:55 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 👍
17:17:23 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> tell her to use IRC lol
17:17:34 <BlueyHealer> Anyway, Signal just bugged out. Also it would've been unusable for me because it requires its own type of proxy for some reason!
17:17:46 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> hopefully it is not xmpp.ru MITM in real-time
17:18:33 <BlueyHealer> Molly, in comparison, allows arbitrary Socks. So that you can at least use your normal proxy! Requiring a separate proxy for yourself for no reason is so dumb!
17:18:44 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> most xmpp servers I have seen run a very outdated version for some reason
17:19:11 <BlueyHealer> basses, nah, a personal one. Version is up-to-date 
17:19:33 <BlueyHealer> Just checked
17:19:42 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> good
17:21:19 <BlueyHealer> Also, Signal's own proxy implementation was called out for being flawed. Yet it is the only one the official app allows lol. Sure, you can use a VPN with it - but you might not want to have your VPN always-on just to get notifications. Also - are Signal's notifications tied to Google services? Not used it enough to pay attention.
17:21:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes
17:21:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Signal uses google fcm or whatever
17:22:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So does session fwiw
17:22:15 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> Session is over
17:22:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Openmonero skem was trying to tell me how great session was
17:22:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Didnt believe me when i said oxen is dead
17:23:15 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> SimpleX is margin better
17:23:54 <BlueyHealer> Simplex at least uses its own notification service.
17:24:13 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Oxen and Lokinet has been dead before it even started
17:24:21 <BlueyHealer> But how much memory it eats on desktop is ridiculous... More than my browser on average!
17:25:16 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> talking about their cryptography choices
17:25:37 <BlueyHealer> syntheticbird, ye. I cannot imagine an average Joe, who can run a Tor or I2P node just fine, casually risking hundreds of dollars to help Lokinet :/ So guess it is either cryptobros hoping for returns, or companies/govt agencies.
17:25:42 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> their decentralization idea has been always terrible
17:25:44 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> to run an oxen node you need to be elon
17:25:48 <BlueyHealer> lol yes
17:26:20 <Cindy> lol, proof of stake sucks
17:26:44 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Haven't heard of it?
17:26:45 <Cindy> oh it's eco friendly, but you have to be rich to min
17:26:47 <Cindy> mine*
17:26:54 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> is the no perfect forward secrecy issue ?
17:29:09 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/don-t-use-session-signal-fork-article/24006
17:29:57 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> there's a 2nd blog too
17:30:11 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ah ok yeah the PFS issue
17:42:41 <rojiro> can someone point me to a good resource to get up to speed on atomic swaps to/from bitcoin and any good recommendations for where I can do these?
18:38:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> what do you want 2 know?
18:38:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> How they work? Or how to do them?
22:43:03 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the furry strikes again
22:43:07 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just realizing
22:43:10 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's always him
22:43:32 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> are we underestimating the impact of pornography into the cryptography industry?
22:44:16 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> compare it to Signal bootlickers
22:44:42 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> a lot of fanboying on HN and reddit
23:04:25 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> https://magicgrants.org/2025/01/21/Monero-Fund-2025-Election-Results.html
23:05:10 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Thanks for sharing