03:36:42 <m-relay> <l​ialh4:lialh4.cyou> i want to run monerod of monero-gui flatpak version as systemd service and let the monerod log to systemd journal, that's my config, the monerod successfully start, but the output not going to journal https://www.zerobin.net/?1b364c5edae39298#dicXRTn8N9/lUz2RzT0SA1u9b6xbSZDGw8tDCCbvqCY=
03:39:13 <m-relay> <l​ialh4:lialh4.cyou> systemd default redirect stdout to its journal, and i use ```--log-file /dev/stdout``` for monerod, but there's no log in journal
07:01:32 <m-relay> <l​ialh4:lialh4.cyou> finilly get it resolved after infinity tries, i upload relevant file to pastebin for others references https://www.zerobin.net/?e34317cdd7b35353#0qI/TUrgalsol85eysuznrX6pnTClNaDu63zVndKpKI=
07:01:32 <m-relay> <l​ialh4:lialh4.cyou> it can boot monerod of monero-gui flatpak version as systemd service and redirect log to systemd journal, also wait monerod to gently shutdown when stop systemd service to not corrupt the lmdb
12:15:26 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Siren: you stopped being Comfy wtf ?
12:17:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Siren's leg fell asleep
14:08:25 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/rQkStYuPVOdugCDjOquCYcFi
14:08:30 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> #moneron-offtopic out of context
14:08:33 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> #monero-offtopic out of context
15:03:14 <m-relay> <d​arkhappyman:monero.social> Glad to be alive (even with context it's the same)
15:08:00 <Cindy> what's the picture
15:51:39 <m-relay> <n​eromonero1024:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v3/download/monero.social/rQkStYuPVOdugCDjOquCYcFi?allow_redirect=true
16:26:35 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cindy, its the discussion in offtopic
16:27:13 <Cindy> i see, i still can't see it because of whatever shit matrix is pulling on me
16:27:35 <Cindy> (telling me "not found")
16:27:44 <ofrnxmr> read offtopic
16:28:56 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Darkhappyman speaking hapinese
19:07:32 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> day 10000 mentioning that https://monero.com/ have google trackers
19:08:10 <Cindy> go complain at cake wallet
19:08:19 <Cindy> cake wallet LLC
19:08:52 <hv-bridge> <wearethelifersyetagain> why are you guys complaining about trackers, just use linux, firefox tracking protection, and ublock origin, and then you're unbeatable
19:15:03 <Cindy> do you use discord desktop client?
19:16:52 <hv-bridge> <wearethelifersyetagain> no
19:16:55 <hv-bridge> <wearethelifersyetagain> vencord
19:17:24 <Cindy> same thing
19:17:29 <Cindy> pot calling kettle black
19:17:56 <hv-bridge> <wearethelifersyetagain> but you can disable sending typing indicator and it blocks the discord tracking api 🙃
19:23:39 <m-relay> <a​tomfried:matrix.org> The monero stablecoin algorithm broken, price seems to move, the CEO has to step in
19:24:16 <Cindy> yes, the ceo of monero, john monero
19:24:19 <Cindy> i'm quite aware of him
19:24:36 <Cindy> in a serious note, what are you talking about
19:24:41 <Cindy> on*
19:26:22 <moneromooo> cake wallet is squatting monero.com, this is not our site.
19:26:54 <Cindy> ^
19:27:57 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Initially didn’t they offer to takeover the domain for what they had paid to acquire it ?
19:28:21 <moneromooo> Yes. Some stupid price, I want to say 10k but memory's hazy.
19:28:39 <Cindy> tbh i'd register an anonymous LLC and register "monero" as a trademark
19:28:43 <moneromooo> If by takeover you mean sell it to the monero core team.
19:28:52 <Cindy> to prevent people from domain-squatting
19:29:29 <Cindy> (but it's garbage to have to deal with squatters in the first place)
19:45:16 <BlueyHealer> Cindy | do you use discord desktop client? <- Why not a browser in this case? We probably all have a "garbage" browser lol
19:47:26 <hv-bridge> <wearethelifersyetagain> if you run discord in your browser, you can't apply mods :3
19:48:14 <BlueyHealer> ah. Very fair! What mods do you use?
19:48:19 <Cindy> tampermonkey
19:48:53 <Cindy> there are discord mods that are just userscripts
19:49:09 <hv-bridge> <wearethelifersyetagain> you don't have this huh
19:49:09 <hv-bridge> <wearethelifersyetagain> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/645553495184900106/1334973766563926016/r9ZGqME.png?ex=679e7ab4&is=679d2934&hm=d80ad351c2146173f4253db28a8a5e83556e66a5e4531c3555a47e38fbeb403e&
19:49:18 <hv-bridge> <wearethelifersyetagain> for example instead of image.png, you'd see something randomly generated
19:49:29 <hv-bridge> <wearethelifersyetagain> yes, r9ZGqME.png
19:50:56 <hv-bridge> <wearethelifersyetagain> you can stay in dm calls with one person forever, skip link verification, check a user's reputation, hop along with someone else when listening to spotify
20:51:35 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> So they atleast didn’t misuse the domain like bitcoin.com 😅
20:54:59 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> wasn't it 800k? 🤔
20:55:31 <Cindy> that's like extortion at that point
20:56:07 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> the xmr equivalent was doated to the generalfund to cover it by someone , but i guess it wasn't a good use of funds and there was a refund window offered
20:57:22 <Cindy> tbh, all the reasons to register a trademark
20:57:35 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> 300-400k sorry https://monero.observer/2500-xmr-anon-donation-monero-general-fund/
20:58:25 <Cindy> (in an ideal world, you wouldn't have to though)
21:08:32 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/730
21:13:23 <Cindy> ah?
21:14:01 <Cindy> i wonder if you already have a trademark
21:15:09 <Cindy> like why not file a lawsuit against cake wallet LLC under ACPA
21:15:30 <Cindy> because it seems like what they're doing (offering the domain monero.com for a huge amount of money) violates that
21:16:00 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> They were just asking for the amount they paid to acquire that domain.
21:16:38 <Cindy> huh
21:16:54 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Yes
21:53:21 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> There were a host of issues with the transfer, some practical. The core team didn't really set up an entity with strong protections to receive the transfer to register the domain, so it wouldn't have enjoyed strong protections. So in effect it was like saying "give this domain to the community by transferring it to this one person with no legal protections". I suggested a restrict<clipped message>
21:53:22 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> ed donation to a nonprofit charity setup but it wasn't set up or considered. So... here we are in the status quo
21:55:59 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> You can be upset Cake has it, but realistically the core team never set up a reasonable infrastructure to accept it and manage it safely, and the community consensus seemed to be that they didn't want to reimburse Cake the cost it took to buy it in the first place. You could say Cake should donate it to a single member of the core team without protections anyway, but I don't reall<clipped message>
21:56:00 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> y consider that reasonable either
21:58:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Also
21:59:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> - Core took like 2 yrs to do a transparency report
21:59:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> - core received 400k for the domain
21:59:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> - when ccs was down, core disnt use the 400k to keep things moving
21:59:50 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> instead, core accepted ANOTHER 400j donation from the same entity before development was "restarted"
22:01:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i think ppl saying "transfer it to the same ppl who received million(s?) in donation, but failed to keep development going, it entirely misguided
22:01:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its more anti-cake than it is pro-monero
22:03:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ccs was literally down for 1/3rd of 2023, and the generalfund was absolutely silent. Same entity donated 400k to restart ccs, as if we didnt already have a 400k surplus
22:05:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 400k donation = not used = extra -> 400k lost = still have all of the ccs money -> ??? Wait 4 months for another donation?
22:09:03 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> ofrnxmr: while I have you, I want to double check my records for MAGIC Grants and the DLOG3 research for the FCMP research CCS. You tend to have a good memory on these things:
22:09:36 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> according to my records, MAGIC Grants has been approved to receive $10k from the research CCS by MRL for Veridise DLOG3, but that has not been paid yet. Does that sound correct?
22:12:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> was that 70xmr?
22:12:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or 38.5?
22:13:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/528/diffs
22:13:11 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> 38.5 was paid already, which was ~$6k at the time
22:13:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It looks like they were paid, plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org
22:13:45 <plowsof> is this another payout request for https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/449?
22:14:09 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> informal but yes related to that
22:15:24 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> MAGIC also received the 70 XMR which was a little over $10k at the time
22:16:01 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> I'll make a "formal" ask for the $10k soon, I just don't have the MRL approval links handy
22:16:14 <plowsof> as far as the CCS is concerned all pending payout requests for the research fund are done, so confirming it's not been paid out 
22:17:02 <plowsof> my bad for missing those discussions in the MRL meeting(s) then 
22:17:21 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> It was a few months ago, so it's understandable
22:19:20 <plowsof> kayabanerve can you shine some light on this^
22:20:48 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> is there a single repo of MRL meeting logs that's easily searchable?
22:23:17 <plowsof> Rucknium also^ sgp not easily but https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues?q=author%3Arucknium , any idea of the dates? im looking through irc logs 
22:28:13 <plowsof> sgp not 21st / 22nd may ish? https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20240522
22:43:52 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> no definitely not that old
22:45:25 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> nov or dec
22:49:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://matrix.to/#/!toFcRZtpaiwiyapgVO:matrix.org/$L2J8gO8MPEkYE29wyAosXuCMZ-MxCqOPWLaCynR2dUM?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=unredacted.org
22:49:46 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Here?
22:50:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or is this a different quote
22:51:07 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://matrix.to/#/!toFcRZtpaiwiyapgVO:matrix.org/$wePI0E9r29IW5vixCl04zvQgWmP7dz1ryapnrzhW7Ak?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=unredacted.org
22:51:12 <plowsof> sgp https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20241127#c464918
22:51:14 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> I thought there was an official approval after that but there not have been
22:51:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://matrix.to/#/!toFcRZtpaiwiyapgVO:matrix.org/$RNbCp7GsnNKaDah1rOS6f5qbdO8l8E2xd46lg4fsJbs?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=unredacted.org
22:51:44 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> it might have been this
22:52:08 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> it was this perfect. Thanks :)
22:52:14 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> it was this, perfect. Thanks :)
22:52:34 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> what protection is required to get a domain transferred ? getmonero is on cloudflare and they use gandi
22:53:39 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> I was referring to legal protections not technical
22:55:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof, dec 4 at 1800 utc
22:55:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20241204#c467807
22:57:38 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> just add it to the same gandi account as getmonero
22:59:03 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> i'm more concerned about the 400k then the domain
23:00:28 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Then you should stop worrying? It was never paid
23:01:02 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> the purpose of the 400k was to but it, but that never happened
23:01:08 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> so where is the 400k gone ?????????
23:01:20 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> buy it*
23:01:41 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Went back
23:01:57 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> proof ?
23:01:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> no it didnt
23:02:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its still in the GF
23:02:39 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Wasn’t there a discussion on GitHub regarding it ?
23:02:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ya and the donor didnt want the $ baxk
23:02:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The donor sent another 400k afterwards
23:02:57 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Oof can’t wait for GF view keys to see spends after fcmp++
23:03:05 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> ahahhaha
23:03:10 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> your funny
23:03:18 <plowsof> a refund window was offered too👼
23:03:43 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> i think you give to much credit to core
23:04:03 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> we'll never know until a report is supplied
23:04:18 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> sort of
23:04:41 <plowsof> what about 2026? and 2027?
23:05:29 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Or never
23:05:58 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> ccs.monero.social should happen
23:06:03 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/921
23:06:04 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> gn we have not disbanded, 1st of jan has pasted
23:06:19 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Who owns monero.social?
23:06:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bounties.monero.social - who custodies the wallet?
23:07:09 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> plowsof: ?
23:07:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No
23:07:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> same person who had GF
23:07:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Has*
23:07:49 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Ah
23:07:50 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> nsa ?
23:08:03 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> ccs.monero.com then 😅
23:08:08 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> nioc plz confirm or deny
23:08:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Vik would probably use the dns for that if i asked him to
23:08:48 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> haveno has a css to ?
23:08:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> but the ccs server code != the repo afaik
23:08:57 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> I trust him to hold keys too
23:09:18 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Diego Salazar: can do it
23:09:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> diego created the ccs code (w*th help from xiphon iirc)
23:10:04 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> And he forked it for firo I think
23:10:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Already does
23:11:32 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Anyways the core n gf comes clean asap or it’s going to spilt soon
23:11:47 <plowsof> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-back/-/commits/master?ref_type=HEADS ccs backend commit history 
23:12:38 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> so committed
23:13:54 <plowsof> elongated come clean about what?
23:14:13 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Split? Its 2.5ppl
23:14:32 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> .5 is the short person ?
23:15:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> .5 is the one who doesnt have any infra
23:15:11 <plowsof> multisig soon(tm), no reason to trust 1 person 
23:15:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But is active in MRL etc
23:15:36 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> are thought criminal
23:16:03 <plowsof> transparency report coming sooner than soon https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/998#issuecomment-2621254385
23:16:19 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> thats what i told her
23:16:57 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> hopefully its not done with crayons
23:17:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ` published on getmonreo`
23:17:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I hope getmonreo is the redesigned site
23:17:22 <plowsof> how much moneros do we think is in the general fund wallet? the last report was march 1st 2023, total standing at 8452.85XMR 
23:17:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i havent counted but i think like 20k
23:17:55 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> 9999xmr
23:18:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe 15
23:18:05 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> under threshold
23:18:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Mar1 eas before or after monero.com?
23:18:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> after
23:18:44 <plowsof> after yes
23:18:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So 8500 + 2700 + 1000s = 15k or more i think
23:19:07 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1000s from the donation flood
23:19:08 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> doesnt binary run a accounting company ?
23:19:13 <plowsof> elongated want to guess? i want to know what 'come clean' insinuates 
23:19:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2700 from ccs restart
23:19:18 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> renagade or something
23:19:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Digital renegades  "D.R."
23:20:10 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Actual accounting
23:20:19 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> elongated - we dont have invoices for anything
23:20:26 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> N view keys which show spends
23:20:29 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So its always been a trust-first relatiobship
23:20:33 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> only on back of receipts
23:20:42 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Reasonable spends can be accounted for
23:21:01 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> yest
23:21:11 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> need receipts with each spend
23:21:27 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> ie hookers etc
23:21:30 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Example: around 10-15k went to his credit card to pay for server costs when globee (fluffy company) didn't pay
23:21:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Were the server costs 1k?10k?15k? Who knows
23:22:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He says 10, we have no choice but to believe it
23:22:03 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Cdn
23:22:12 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> get a platnium amx card
23:22:22 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> we can get points
23:23:02 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> yacht upgrade
23:32:49 <moneromooo> They *chose* to spend that money (if they did) because they thought they'd get more money due to the squatting. It was a massive dick move and the monero community should never pay for that. It'd just be footing the bill for their misjudgement.
23:33:30 <moneromooo> Well, more like throwing them a lifeline after being victim of impersonation by them.
23:33:39 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> They were willing to accept same amount that they paid ?
23:34:25 <plowsof> >the monero dot com wallet 
23:34:55 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Really dislike the wallet named on a domain 😓
23:35:04 <plowsof> they could give it back for free , a great marketing move
23:35:07 <moneromooo> I think so. No idea if they had proof of what they paid. But who'd pay 300k or whatever it was claimed to be if they didn't expect to make that money back in the first place. It was a cynical business move.
23:35:10 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Stupid move lol
23:35:20 <plowsof> make monero dot com official now, thanks!
23:36:02 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Donated 300k 🤔
23:36:47 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Donate 300k 🤔
23:37:02 <moneromooo> Honestly, the assholishness after that, claiming they weren't actually squatting, etc, really pissed me off.
23:39:56 <moneromooo> I mean, I could get that you do the move, realize you were a dick, and want to try and get your money back. It's slimy, but if you're looking at a 300k hole you dug for yourself, it's not a fun situation. But it could be seen as a bad one of decision.
23:39:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "<m​oneromooo> Well, more like throwing them a lifeline after being victim of impersonation by them." < 400k is peanuts to them tho
23:40:56 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> vik probably clears like 3-4x that every month
23:41:25 <moneromooo> Well, that's fucking impressive if so. I find that hard to believe though.
23:41:35 <moneromooo> But hey what do I know...
23:41:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You'd be surprised 😅
23:42:40 <moneromooo> So they were ready to be dicks in public for no actual business saving reason ? Makes no sense.
23:43:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Iirc they would have given it to us for free
23:43:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But we tried to force them to, so... lol
23:43:37 <moneromooo> So they *are* assholes. Well, fair enough.
23:45:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Disclaimer: i'm not now, and have never been employed or contracted with cake
23:52:36 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Cake marketing employee ?
23:53:28 <plowsof> Exciting