03:36:42 <m-relay> <lialh4:lialh4.cyou> i want to run monerod of monero-gui flatpak version as systemd service and let the monerod log to systemd journal, that's my config, the monerod successfully start, but the output not going to journal https://www.zerobin.net/?1b364c5edae39298#dicXRTn8N9/lUz2RzT0SA1u9b6xbSZDGw8tDCCbvqCY= 03:39:13 <m-relay> <lialh4:lialh4.cyou> systemd default redirect stdout to its journal, and i use ```--log-file /dev/stdout``` for monerod, but there's no log in journal 07:01:32 <m-relay> <lialh4:lialh4.cyou> finilly get it resolved after infinity tries, i upload relevant file to pastebin for others references https://www.zerobin.net/?e34317cdd7b35353#0qI/TUrgalsol85eysuznrX6pnTClNaDu63zVndKpKI= 07:01:32 <m-relay> <lialh4:lialh4.cyou> it can boot monerod of monero-gui flatpak version as systemd service and redirect log to systemd journal, also wait monerod to gently shutdown when stop systemd service to not corrupt the lmdb 12:15:26 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Siren: you stopped being Comfy wtf ? 12:17:14 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Siren's leg fell asleep 14:08:25 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/rQkStYuPVOdugCDjOquCYcFi 14:08:30 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> #moneron-offtopic out of context 14:08:33 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> #monero-offtopic out of context 15:03:14 <m-relay> <darkhappyman:monero.social> Glad to be alive (even with context it's the same) 15:08:00 <Cindy> what's the picture 15:51:39 <m-relay> <neromonero1024:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v3/download/monero.social/rQkStYuPVOdugCDjOquCYcFi?allow_redirect=true 16:26:35 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cindy, its the discussion in offtopic 16:27:13 <Cindy> i see, i still can't see it because of whatever shit matrix is pulling on me 16:27:35 <Cindy> (telling me "not found") 16:27:44 <ofrnxmr> read offtopic 16:28:56 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Darkhappyman speaking hapinese 19:07:32 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> day 10000 mentioning that https://monero.com/ have google trackers 19:08:10 <Cindy> go complain at cake wallet 19:08:19 <Cindy> cake wallet LLC 19:08:52 <hv-bridge> <wearethelifersyetagain> why are you guys complaining about trackers, just use linux, firefox tracking protection, and ublock origin, and then you're unbeatable 19:15:03 <Cindy> do you use discord desktop client? 19:16:52 <hv-bridge> <wearethelifersyetagain> no 19:16:55 <hv-bridge> <wearethelifersyetagain> vencord 19:17:24 <Cindy> same thing 19:17:29 <Cindy> pot calling kettle black 19:17:56 <hv-bridge> <wearethelifersyetagain> but you can disable sending typing indicator and it blocks the discord tracking api 🙃 19:23:39 <m-relay> <atomfried:matrix.org> The monero stablecoin algorithm broken, price seems to move, the CEO has to step in 19:24:16 <Cindy> yes, the ceo of monero, john monero 19:24:19 <Cindy> i'm quite aware of him 19:24:36 <Cindy> in a serious note, what are you talking about 19:24:41 <Cindy> on* 19:26:22 <moneromooo> cake wallet is squatting monero.com, this is not our site. 19:26:54 <Cindy> ^ 19:27:57 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> Initially didn’t they offer to takeover the domain for what they had paid to acquire it ? 19:28:21 <moneromooo> Yes. Some stupid price, I want to say 10k but memory's hazy. 19:28:39 <Cindy> tbh i'd register an anonymous LLC and register "monero" as a trademark 19:28:43 <moneromooo> If by takeover you mean sell it to the monero core team. 19:28:52 <Cindy> to prevent people from domain-squatting 19:29:29 <Cindy> (but it's garbage to have to deal with squatters in the first place) 19:45:16 <BlueyHealer> Cindy | do you use discord desktop client? <- Why not a browser in this case? We probably all have a "garbage" browser lol 19:47:26 <hv-bridge> <wearethelifersyetagain> if you run discord in your browser, you can't apply mods :3 19:48:14 <BlueyHealer> ah. Very fair! What mods do you use? 19:48:19 <Cindy> tampermonkey 19:48:53 <Cindy> there are discord mods that are just userscripts 19:49:09 <hv-bridge> <wearethelifersyetagain> you don't have this huh 19:49:09 <hv-bridge> <wearethelifersyetagain> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/645553495184900106/1334973766563926016/r9ZGqME.png?ex=679e7ab4&is=679d2934&hm=d80ad351c2146173f4253db28a8a5e83556e66a5e4531c3555a47e38fbeb403e& 19:49:18 <hv-bridge> <wearethelifersyetagain> for example instead of image.png, you'd see something randomly generated 19:49:29 <hv-bridge> <wearethelifersyetagain> yes, r9ZGqME.png 19:50:56 <hv-bridge> <wearethelifersyetagain> you can stay in dm calls with one person forever, skip link verification, check a user's reputation, hop along with someone else when listening to spotify 20:51:35 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> So they atleast didn’t misuse the domain like bitcoin.com 😅 20:54:59 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> wasn't it 800k? 🤔 20:55:31 <Cindy> that's like extortion at that point 20:56:07 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> the xmr equivalent was doated to the generalfund to cover it by someone , but i guess it wasn't a good use of funds and there was a refund window offered 20:57:22 <Cindy> tbh, all the reasons to register a trademark 20:57:35 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> 300-400k sorry https://monero.observer/2500-xmr-anon-donation-monero-general-fund/ 20:58:25 <Cindy> (in an ideal world, you wouldn't have to though) 21:08:32 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/730 21:13:23 <Cindy> ah? 21:14:01 <Cindy> i wonder if you already have a trademark 21:15:09 <Cindy> like why not file a lawsuit against cake wallet LLC under ACPA 21:15:30 <Cindy> because it seems like what they're doing (offering the domain monero.com for a huge amount of money) violates that 21:16:00 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> They were just asking for the amount they paid to acquire that domain. 21:16:38 <Cindy> huh 21:16:54 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> Yes 21:53:21 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> There were a host of issues with the transfer, some practical. The core team didn't really set up an entity with strong protections to receive the transfer to register the domain, so it wouldn't have enjoyed strong protections. So in effect it was like saying "give this domain to the community by transferring it to this one person with no legal protections". I suggested a restrict<clipped message> 21:53:22 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> ed donation to a nonprofit charity setup but it wasn't set up or considered. So... here we are in the status quo 21:55:59 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> You can be upset Cake has it, but realistically the core team never set up a reasonable infrastructure to accept it and manage it safely, and the community consensus seemed to be that they didn't want to reimburse Cake the cost it took to buy it in the first place. You could say Cake should donate it to a single member of the core team without protections anyway, but I don't reall<clipped message> 21:56:00 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> y consider that reasonable either 21:58:43 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Also 21:59:15 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> - Core took like 2 yrs to do a transparency report 21:59:16 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> - core received 400k for the domain 21:59:18 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> - when ccs was down, core disnt use the 400k to keep things moving 21:59:50 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> instead, core accepted ANOTHER 400j donation from the same entity before development was "restarted" 22:01:11 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i think ppl saying "transfer it to the same ppl who received million(s?) in donation, but failed to keep development going, it entirely misguided 22:01:24 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its more anti-cake than it is pro-monero 22:03:38 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ccs was literally down for 1/3rd of 2023, and the generalfund was absolutely silent. Same entity donated 400k to restart ccs, as if we didnt already have a 400k surplus 22:05:12 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 400k donation = not used = extra -> 400k lost = still have all of the ccs money -> ??? Wait 4 months for another donation? 22:09:03 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> ofrnxmr: while I have you, I want to double check my records for MAGIC Grants and the DLOG3 research for the FCMP research CCS. You tend to have a good memory on these things: 22:09:36 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> according to my records, MAGIC Grants has been approved to receive $10k from the research CCS by MRL for Veridise DLOG3, but that has not been paid yet. Does that sound correct? 22:12:23 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> was that 70xmr? 22:12:52 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Or 38.5? 22:13:02 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/528/diffs 22:13:11 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> 38.5 was paid already, which was ~$6k at the time 22:13:20 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> It looks like they were paid, plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org 22:13:45 <plowsof> is this another payout request for https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/449? 22:14:09 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> informal but yes related to that 22:15:24 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> MAGIC also received the 70 XMR which was a little over $10k at the time 22:16:01 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> I'll make a "formal" ask for the $10k soon, I just don't have the MRL approval links handy 22:16:14 <plowsof> as far as the CCS is concerned all pending payout requests for the research fund are done, so confirming it's not been paid out 22:17:02 <plowsof> my bad for missing those discussions in the MRL meeting(s) then 22:17:21 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> It was a few months ago, so it's understandable 22:19:20 <plowsof> kayabanerve can you shine some light on this^ 22:20:48 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> is there a single repo of MRL meeting logs that's easily searchable? 22:23:17 <plowsof> Rucknium also^ sgp not easily but https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues?q=author%3Arucknium , any idea of the dates? im looking through irc logs 22:28:13 <plowsof> sgp not 21st / 22nd may ish? https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20240522 22:43:52 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> no definitely not that old 22:45:25 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> nov or dec 22:49:42 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> https://matrix.to/#/!toFcRZtpaiwiyapgVO:matrix.org/$L2J8gO8MPEkYE29wyAosXuCMZ-MxCqOPWLaCynR2dUM?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=unredacted.org 22:49:46 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Here? 22:50:23 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Or is this a different quote 22:51:07 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> https://matrix.to/#/!toFcRZtpaiwiyapgVO:matrix.org/$wePI0E9r29IW5vixCl04zvQgWmP7dz1ryapnrzhW7Ak?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=unredacted.org 22:51:12 <plowsof> sgp https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20241127#c464918 22:51:14 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> I thought there was an official approval after that but there not have been 22:51:27 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> https://matrix.to/#/!toFcRZtpaiwiyapgVO:matrix.org/$RNbCp7GsnNKaDah1rOS6f5qbdO8l8E2xd46lg4fsJbs?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=unredacted.org 22:51:44 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> it might have been this 22:52:08 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> it was this perfect. Thanks :) 22:52:14 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> it was this, perfect. Thanks :) 22:52:34 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> what protection is required to get a domain transferred ? getmonero is on cloudflare and they use gandi 22:53:39 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> I was referring to legal protections not technical 22:55:10 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof, dec 4 at 1800 utc 22:55:36 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20241204#c467807 22:57:38 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> just add it to the same gandi account as getmonero 22:59:03 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> i'm more concerned about the 400k then the domain 23:00:28 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> Then you should stop worrying? It was never paid 23:01:02 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> the purpose of the 400k was to but it, but that never happened 23:01:08 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> so where is the 400k gone ????????? 23:01:20 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> buy it* 23:01:41 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> Went back 23:01:57 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> proof ? 23:01:59 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> no it didnt 23:02:14 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its still in the GF 23:02:39 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> Wasn’t there a discussion on GitHub regarding it ? 23:02:45 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Ya and the donor didnt want the $ baxk 23:02:55 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The donor sent another 400k afterwards 23:02:57 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> Oof can’t wait for GF view keys to see spends after fcmp++ 23:03:05 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> ahahhaha 23:03:10 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> your funny 23:03:18 <plowsof> a refund window was offered too👼 23:03:43 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> i think you give to much credit to core 23:04:03 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> we'll never know until a report is supplied 23:04:18 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> sort of 23:04:41 <plowsof> what about 2026? and 2027? 23:05:29 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> Or never 23:05:58 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> ccs.monero.social should happen 23:06:03 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/921 23:06:04 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> gn we have not disbanded, 1st of jan has pasted 23:06:19 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Who owns monero.social? 23:06:44 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Bounties.monero.social - who custodies the wallet? 23:07:09 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> plowsof: ? 23:07:22 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No 23:07:40 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> same person who had GF 23:07:42 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Has* 23:07:49 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> Ah 23:07:50 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> nsa ? 23:08:03 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> ccs.monero.com then 😅 23:08:08 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> nioc plz confirm or deny 23:08:32 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Vik would probably use the dns for that if i asked him to 23:08:48 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> haveno has a css to ? 23:08:54 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> but the ccs server code != the repo afaik 23:08:57 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> I trust him to hold keys too 23:09:18 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> Diego Salazar: can do it 23:09:43 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> diego created the ccs code (w*th help from xiphon iirc) 23:10:04 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> And he forked it for firo I think 23:10:08 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Already does 23:11:32 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> Anyways the core n gf comes clean asap or it’s going to spilt soon 23:11:47 <plowsof> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-back/-/commits/master?ref_type=HEADS ccs backend commit history 23:12:38 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> so committed 23:13:54 <plowsof> elongated come clean about what? 23:14:13 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Split? Its 2.5ppl 23:14:32 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> .5 is the short person ? 23:15:11 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> .5 is the one who doesnt have any infra 23:15:11 <plowsof> multisig soon(tm), no reason to trust 1 person 23:15:20 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> But is active in MRL etc 23:15:36 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> are thought criminal 23:16:03 <plowsof> transparency report coming sooner than soon https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/998#issuecomment-2621254385 23:16:19 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> thats what i told her 23:16:57 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> hopefully its not done with crayons 23:17:04 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ` published on getmonreo` 23:17:20 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I hope getmonreo is the redesigned site 23:17:22 <plowsof> how much moneros do we think is in the general fund wallet? the last report was march 1st 2023, total standing at 8452.85XMR 23:17:51 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i havent counted but i think like 20k 23:17:55 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> 9999xmr 23:18:03 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe 15 23:18:05 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> under threshold 23:18:21 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Mar1 eas before or after monero.com? 23:18:24 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> after 23:18:44 <plowsof> after yes 23:18:51 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> So 8500 + 2700 + 1000s = 15k or more i think 23:19:07 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 1000s from the donation flood 23:19:08 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> doesnt binary run a accounting company ? 23:19:13 <plowsof> elongated want to guess? i want to know what 'come clean' insinuates 23:19:16 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 2700 from ccs restart 23:19:18 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> renagade or something 23:19:44 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Digital renegades "D.R." 23:20:10 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> Actual accounting 23:20:19 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> elongated - we dont have invoices for anything 23:20:26 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> N view keys which show spends 23:20:29 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> So its always been a trust-first relatiobship 23:20:33 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> only on back of receipts 23:20:42 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> Reasonable spends can be accounted for 23:21:01 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> yest 23:21:11 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> need receipts with each spend 23:21:27 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> ie hookers etc 23:21:30 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Example: around 10-15k went to his credit card to pay for server costs when globee (fluffy company) didn't pay 23:21:41 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Were the server costs 1k?10k?15k? Who knows 23:22:02 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> He says 10, we have no choice but to believe it 23:22:03 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> Cdn 23:22:12 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> get a platnium amx card 23:22:22 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> we can get points 23:23:02 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> yacht upgrade 23:32:49 <moneromooo> They *chose* to spend that money (if they did) because they thought they'd get more money due to the squatting. It was a massive dick move and the monero community should never pay for that. It'd just be footing the bill for their misjudgement. 23:33:30 <moneromooo> Well, more like throwing them a lifeline after being victim of impersonation by them. 23:33:39 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> They were willing to accept same amount that they paid ? 23:34:25 <plowsof> >the monero dot com wallet 23:34:55 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> Really dislike the wallet named on a domain 😓 23:35:04 <plowsof> they could give it back for free , a great marketing move 23:35:07 <moneromooo> I think so. No idea if they had proof of what they paid. But who'd pay 300k or whatever it was claimed to be if they didn't expect to make that money back in the first place. It was a cynical business move. 23:35:10 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> Stupid move lol 23:35:20 <plowsof> make monero dot com official now, thanks! 23:36:02 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> Donated 300k 🤔 23:36:47 <m-relay> <elongated:matrix.org> Donate 300k 🤔 23:37:02 <moneromooo> Honestly, the assholishness after that, claiming they weren't actually squatting, etc, really pissed me off. 23:39:56 <moneromooo> I mean, I could get that you do the move, realize you were a dick, and want to try and get your money back. It's slimy, but if you're looking at a 300k hole you dug for yourself, it's not a fun situation. But it could be seen as a bad one of decision. 23:39:57 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "<moneromooo> Well, more like throwing them a lifeline after being victim of impersonation by them." < 400k is peanuts to them tho 23:40:56 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> vik probably clears like 3-4x that every month 23:41:25 <moneromooo> Well, that's fucking impressive if so. I find that hard to believe though. 23:41:35 <moneromooo> But hey what do I know... 23:41:44 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> You'd be surprised 😅 23:42:40 <moneromooo> So they were ready to be dicks in public for no actual business saving reason ? Makes no sense. 23:43:04 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Iirc they would have given it to us for free 23:43:15 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> But we tried to force them to, so... lol 23:43:37 <moneromooo> So they *are* assholes. Well, fair enough. 23:45:15 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Disclaimer: i'm not now, and have never been employed or contracted with cake 23:52:36 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Cake marketing employee ? 23:53:28 <plowsof> Exciting