00:23:40 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/ffCeOOzoyLsChclZcLdcLBsz 02:03:10 I bought a vps, some coffee grounds(delicious) and tons of attire/stickers. Have you seen monerica williamfargo? 02:04:43 only thing you really can't buy is rent/real estate/utilities--most essentials require sticking with fiat cash 02:04:59 just as intended sadly.... 03:13:27 I like to buy silly stuff from MoneroMarket and XMRbazaar. 07:56:37 anyone here read "Hijacking Bitcoin" by Roger Ver? highly recommend... is not strictly related to xmr but if you're already familiar with monero you'll see how it connects 07:57:37 prepaid cards, vpn subscription, and liquidate into fiat through non-kyc otc if I need to use it purchase everyday goods and services 10:34:27 hello 11:35:35 Tried to donate to a project this morning. Bro had no idea how crypto works. Someone told him to use Revolut bitcoin integration. Send donation, 20 minute later Revolut account got locked down 11:35:41 This is the future. 11:36:45 LOOOL 11:36:58 hello, joe biden here, i have nothing to sell, just bragging 11:37:52 syntheticbird: this is what you get for trusting banks to manage cryptocurrencies 11:38:49 Cindy: I don't trust them, unfortunately the guy i wanted to donate did and I don't blame him. He is broke and don't have time to go understand what cryptocurrency are nor how they work. Bro copy pasted his BTC address and asked "what is that?" 11:39:29 we have a long way ahead of adoption 11:39:49 i had to learn how cryptocurrencies work because banks here were so dysfunctional 11:39:53 same with PayPAl 11:40:40 i couldn't put my money in without them getting hacked and it disappearing like a sick magic trick 11:40:50 while they tell me they won't do shit about it 11:45:21 <321bob321:monero.social> Seems ready for mainstream use 12:00:44 syntheticbird Did he unlock the account? Revolut is trigger happy for crypto scammers, maybe they thought your bro was a victim of some scam 12:03:09 sech1 he can't do anything and have to wait a few hours for it to be unlocked upon review 14:35:30 update: Revolut decided it wasn't good and it would need further details from owner. Process is within 1 to 4 business days 14:36:03 Yes ladies and gentlemen you heard me right. Sent a btc transaction to someone t oget his bank account frozen for 4 days 14:43:59 Based 14:45:30 what happens if I sent XMR? 14:49:24 they don't receive xmr unfortunately 15:01:19 Sounds like a "them" problem 15:01:47 Where'd your BTC come from 15:06:26 ofrnxmr (jk) 15:09:06 swap provider (won't say which one but they aren't giving tainted btc) 15:12:53 U sure? 15:13:37 If its not like, changenow or fixedfloat, or is some self custodial one like exch, wizard etc, good chance that they are giving gained btc 15:13:42 Tainted 15:14:11 Tainted can just mean "not from regulated cex" like, bisq coins 15:15:18 its one on the list 15:19:32 exch 100% gives tainted btc/ltc. I had problems with them and I don't use exch anynmore 15:21:13 any exchange that prioritize privacy (for real) have tainted coins 16:45:45 maybe send to a non custodial wallet and then send from there? 16:45:51 .shrug 16:52:38 Send to burn addr 🔥 /s 16:54:01 usually you'd have a mixer for shit like this 16:54:17 but mixers have been too inefficient 16:57:29 Mixers == instantly tainted 16:57:50 If i piss in your lemonade, is it still lemonade? Nope 17:17:47 very elegant 17:17:52 very elegant 17:20:43 #monero-scat 17:21:14 OH NO 17:21:19 I DIDNT SAW IT 17:21:21 You called? 17:21:57 ❤️ siren 17:22:38 i'm done 17:25:28 Hi cindy 17:25:43 I was trying to write a very elaborate joke ofrnxmr and you just cut me 17:25:45 congratulations 17:30:55 update: Got the frozen guy to install Stack Wallet 17:31:18 good ending 17:34:07 can I use stack to send montero to my bank account? 17:34:27 nioc only to Stack Bank LTC accounits 17:34:33 nioc only to Stack Bank LTC bank accounts 17:43:34 I meant Ltd 17:57:58 damn, just bought LTC :( 18:02:54 Is the name "Metronero" stupid? 18:03:52 I think its a lot better than like.. everything else 18:05:07 and i'm not just dickriding, i honestly think its one of the better names out of crypto services 18:32:48 https://x.com/Serpent_OS/status/1886844564176056470 18:32:52 SerpentOS now accept XMR 18:33:13 (It's a super upcoming linux distribution) 18:34:10 hello 18:34:45 Im using feather wallet but just download the full blockchain on monero GUI for using my own node, trying to manually connect to this node, how does it work ? 18:35:07 its just the IP address:18081 ? 18:37:01 it say user:password(of the full node?)@IPaddress:18081 18:37:02 But all the list of node to connect showing what it seem monero address in tor 18:42:20 It doesnt work doing what it say 18:43:15 127.0.0.1 18:43:52 thanks lemme retry 18:44:24 Yes, if you have a oassword on the node (not wallet) then you'd enter it as `user:password⊙10:18081` 18:44:50 If you dong have a user/pass (probably dont), then its just `127.0.0.1:18081` 18:45:04 ohhh appreciate ! 18:45:35 it work !!!!!!!! 18:45:38 thanks :) 18:45:49 Np 20:18:56 what is the consensus on cake wallet these days? 20:19:57 i use it and like it, idk its pretty good. 20:21:11 I use it and I see some issues with it, but I use it anyways 20:26:14 No perfect xmr wallet on mobile, need some competent dev to develop one that is secure, private and with no bloat. 20:28:49 Tbh if cake removed the reliance on internal servers for connection to Monero, I’d be more fine with it 20:29:34 I guess. Have tried monerujo before 20:30:17 I remember around a year ago their servers kept dying for days at a time and I couldn’t access my funds without using the command line on a computer. Thank goodness I had another device (and my livelihood wasn’t reliant on immediate access to my address) 20:30:22 mind defining "reliance on internal servers for connection to Monero" 20:30:39 I haven’t; I don’t remember if they have an iOS app 20:31:16 Yeah i mean, just use a different node. Cake wallet nodes are default but optional. (tho tbf even your node would have been dying due to spam) 20:31:56 They had some internal servers at Cake that were required to be up for the wallet to access nodes (you can manually set nodes, but these servers weren’t user changeable or viewable). I don’t think they ever changed this, though they could’ve (since again, this isn’t exactly shown to users afaik) 20:32:35 The internal servers went down (maybe it was during the spam attack? I think it happened before/after it too though) 20:32:45 > They had some internal servers at Cake that were required to be up for the wallet to access nodes 20:32:46 Never heard of it, and honestly sounds sus af. cc ofrnxmr 20:32:56 Yeah it was very sus. 20:32:58 > They had some internal servers at Cake that were required to be up for the wallet to access nodes 20:33:00 Never heard of it, and honestly sounds weird af. cc ofrnxmr 20:33:02 weird* 20:33:05 like i struggle to believe it 20:33:30 I think I had asked about it back then and I wasn’t given a response other than “yeah it exists, we are working to get them back online 👍” 20:33:49 im sure they talked about the nodes 20:34:07 anyway if you say so, if someone else told me the same i know you were right 20:34:10 Let me see if I can find anything about it 20:34:21 Yeah that’s fair 20:35:19 Its wrong 20:35:44 If anyone uses TrueNAS Scale 24.10+ and wants to help test a Monero app (currently just with monerod), please let me know! 20:36:06 Preland, cakes "servers" are 1. Fiat api 2. Nodes 3. Cakepay 4. Bullshit service bulletin 20:36:13 None of these 4 are required to use cake 20:36:40 They shouldn’t be; but it had caused downtime 20:36:47 Heck let me see if I can find a screenshot 20:36:57 Literally didnt 20:37:15 Literally ofrnxmr said literally 20:37:16 The only downtime is with those services. Your own node will always work 20:37:20 literally literal 20:37:50 I'm not aware of any time using your own node with Cake wouldn't work 20:38:03 You can disable all of those. You can delete cake node, disable fiat api, disable cakepay, disable service bulletin 20:38:32 Cake having disruption to their own infra has 0 bearing on using your own node 20:38:45 cuprate node* 20:38:59 Sure you wouldn't see fiat prices but everything else should work just fine 20:41:39 edge wallet on the other hand.. won't connect to your lws if edge is down 20:42:09 **preland is typing...** 20:42:10 Blocking connections to edge stops edge from functioning 20:42:26 bro it's been 4 minutes, calm down 20:42:28 btw, lws and onion-explorer are planned for this as well, among other things 20:42:34 preland types slow. Need to do rapid, annoying msgs like ofrn 20:43:10 Poor sgp can't have beta tester because of you 20:43:13 shame 20:43:24 shame on you ofrn 20:43:28 Floooodd 20:43:37 @sgp post in Monero Community Dev 20:43:55 hopefully #monero-community:monero.social will also be enough 20:44:45 Ok I’m going to describe exactly what happened. 20:44:46 I opened up Cake Wallet. The upper right bell icon had a dot on it. Clicking on it revealed a notification that said something along the lines of “due to network congestion, we are currently seeing issues with our internal servers for Monero. Until this is resolved, you may have momentary connection issues with Monero nodes.” This message was changed at least 3 separate times, 20:44:48 effectively saying the same thing. The upper bar that shows connection status would say “connecting”. It would never fix this. Changing the nodes would not fix this. Additionally, the nodes I tested (including Cake’s own node) *were usable by monero-wallet-cli on a separate computer*. I was confused by this and asked why this was happening, thinking that I needed to reinsta 20:44:50 ll Cake or smth. I was told (maybe by Vik? I was pretty new to the community so I don’t remember who) that they used internal servers as intermediaries between the mobile phone and the node, and those servers had went down, but would be up “very soon”. That was all I was told. After around two weeks the issue was resolved and no other issues like that have occurred since afa 20:44:52 ik 20:44:58 Upper left* if you care 20:45:08 The bell icon is fuckin stupid 20:45:14 you are stupid 20:45:17 now seethe 20:45:28 The last time i got into a mud slinging match with cake was over that stupid ass icon 20:45:35 That was just an indicator. I couldn’t access my Monero (albeit only abt 40$ worth at the time) 20:45:40 Lol 20:45:46 It was added during the spam, and it called hone at launch, no way to opt out 20:45:53 I remember cake wallet implementing this 20:46:05 I also remember ofrnxmr throwing tantrum on a github issue 20:46:12 I also remember yasabi vs ofrnxmr war drama 20:46:15 its just a glorified rss feed so cake can send status messages to users about the state of their infrs 20:46:17 so much nostalgia 20:46:19 I mean, if it’s gone now then it’s all good 20:46:30 Its not gone now 20:46:32 Its opt-out now 20:46:46 > maybe by Vik? I was pretty new to the community so I don’t remember who) that they used internal servers as intermediaries between the mobile phone and the node, and those servers had went down 20:46:48 cringe 20:46:50 I don't think the description of the "intermediary" servers was accurate. I think they were referring to the nodes still 20:46:52 Vik don't understand how monero work 20:47:08 Ikr; the first time I ever saw a message by ofrnxmr and rottenwheel was them going localized nuclear on some random CCS proposal on the git 😂 20:47:38 I would’ve thought that, except their actual node still worked at the time (somehow) 20:47:46 Intermediary servers are just the global node proxies 20:47:55 aka Load balancer 20:47:57 I would know; I used their node to make a transaction while the mobile wallet wasn’t working 20:48:08 The bell was 100% about cake infra. Nothing to do with personal infra(nodes) 20:48:18 That’s what I was thinking—still sketchy that it wasn’t mentioned though 20:48:20 Cake's node isn't a single node. There are at least 6 behind the same IP, geo-balanced and then load-balanced 20:48:42 at the time of the stress, there were probably issues with routing. So maybe some connections got through while others didn't 20:48:47 The bell was just a manually typed rss feed bs 20:48:54 Cake also couldn’t use other unrelated nodes—they could be used by Monero-wallet-cli as well 20:49:06 It was issues with rpc eating resources 20:49:18 Native cluster support in cuprate before end of 2025. Dropping the promise here 20:49:24 say goodbye to load balancer 20:49:26 Cake ddosed themselves with background sync causing resyncs repeatedly 20:49:44 Add that to the p2p flood and cake node couldnt keep ip with demand 20:49:52 I can't fully explain that but I think a restart, or a retry, or waiting, could have fixed that. But it's hard to speak hypothetically about an old issue :/ 20:50:16 user error 20:50:18 Lol 20:50:30 the mempool flood was what really exposed the ssd limitations 20:50:43 not the background sync, that was ultimately minor afaik 20:50:49 I used my own node throughout the flood w/o issue. The only issue i had was noticing my ip leaks to cake servers bcuz of the stupid bell 20:51:10 Background sync is minor when there is no massive txpool 20:51:24 When txpool and blocks are big, rpc uaes a LOT of resources 20:51:28 <321bob321:monero.social> Rust inbound 20:51:45 And big blocks caused bgsync to fail more often 20:51:57 Memory safe ddosing 20:52:01 S/fail/corrupt wallet 20:52:11 yeah but that's not specific to background sync, the traffic wouldn't have handled the foreground sync either with the mempool 20:52:39 bg sync caused resyncing from scratch at a very high rate 20:52:45 Yeah to be clear I’m not claiming that Cake took down their stuff as a sort of sting operation or anything—it was probably just targeted 20:52:54 Like... a 50% chance of resyncing everyday 20:53:00 afaik background sync wasn't even working that well at the time. It was spotty at best 20:53:23 Yea. It corrupted wallets like 80% of the time 20:53:32 That time when Monero users collectively got a severe case of Alzheimer’s 20:53:41 It was very reliable in makibg me sync 30gb everyday 20:54:03 <321bob321:monero.social> Time to buy read centric ssd and 1tb ram ? 20:54:37 I think I made the stupid mistake of trying to sync a full node from scratch during that time 20:54:38 Bandwidth limit reached in less than 18 hours lol 20:55:19 Sgp, what cake ultimatelt did was was use master and slave nodes. The slave nodes dont maintain high peer counts, and only sync ftom thr master node 20:55:23 The slave nodes serve rpc, the master does not 20:55:42 <321bob321:monero.social> K8s when ? 20:55:44 This prevents rpc from killing the masters ability to sync 20:56:04 Ccs is closed 20:56:15 <321bob321:monero.social> Rip 20:56:26 <321bob321:monero.social> Cake should look at that 20:56:41 https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/utxobr-monero-k8s-operator.html 20:57:36 Monero node peers? I thought they already kept those quite low. Maybe they further tweaked that 20:58:14 the emergency solution at the time was best summed as "more ram" 20:58:27 that was part 1 20:58:28 <321bob321:monero.social> Clear cache 20:58:32 I worked w tanner for part 2 20:59:15 (while throwing 💩 at tux for the service bulletin) 20:59:31