01:13:15 <dukenukem> Revuo Monero Issue 230: March 2 - 9, 2025. https://www.revuo-xmr.com/weekly/issue-230/
07:58:46 <m-relay> <1​7e:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/lRZBnrGYAzfnGdSPbLaxAPTE
07:59:15 <m-relay> <1​7e:matrix.org> Hello. I'm confused. I want to calculate my chance for solo mining. Since I'm from europe, I
07:59:27 <m-relay> <1​7e:matrix.org> Hello. I'm confused. I want to calculate my chance for solo mining. Since I'm from Europe, I'm confused about the decimal devider.
07:59:47 <m-relay> <1​7e:matrix.org> Is it 6000 KH/s or 6000 H/s -> 6 KH/s?
08:20:40 <m-relay> <1​7e:matrix.org> I guess it's 6000 H/s :-)
09:45:52 <m-relay> <m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> Just curious, why solo mining and not p2pool? You will most likely not hit a block
09:53:32 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> p2pool is the way
10:06:18 <m-relay> <m​ark:chat.nicecrew.digital> Lmao @ ErCiccione getting banned again, was he sperging in another room?
10:30:02 <m-relay> <1​7e:matrix.org> Somehow I remember people here said solo mining can hit a block once in 2 or 3 months.
10:33:06 <m-relay> <1​7e:matrix.org> With the values I posted above I get 0.001 XMR per day on average. Doesn't seem that much :-(
10:37:16 <sech1> Block reward is 0.6 XMR so you need 600 days on average to hit a block when solo mining
10:59:55 <m-relay> <1​7e:matrix.org> I'm using p2pool mini
11:01:45 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> great!
15:36:00 <m-relay> <n​inoni:matrix.org> How to find a Bisq room on Element chat ? I never know what to type in a search box. When I type just Bisq it wants to create a new room. The same with # Bisq.
16:09:33 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'll delete this message in 2 seconds
17:01:31 <m-relay> <m​etrics:unredacted.org> Guys where you exchange BTC for Monero?
17:04:54 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> Retoswap.com or trocador.app
17:06:02 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> Trocador is easier and faster but read the swapper ratings on the site. Kycnot.me has good reviews on those swappers as well. Suggest to connect to call of them from tor browser.
17:06:40 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> Trolling once again
17:08:03 <m-relay> <m​etrics:unredacted.org> How Tor can help if I need to buy BTC on me?
17:11:22 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> Just fewer parties with your IP. Less == less possibility of leaks
17:18:30 <nioc> also tradeogre 
19:37:12 <m-relay> <d​r_douchebag:matrix.org> If I run my own node over clearnet does dandelion++ protect my IP or do I need to run it over tor?
19:39:09 <m-relay> <m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> it protects it fairly effectively from other (potential spy) nodes but does not protect it from e.g. your ISP
19:40:08 <zzz123> i bet exodus, a wallet that lets you swap xmr, sends 'analytics' directly to the nsa and/or doj tbh
19:40:39 <m-relay> <m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> the --tx-proxy option for monerod can let you broascast transactions via i2p or tor but otherwise run on clearnet
19:40:52 <zzz123> a virtual machines running an os inside of your os with mullvad in the vm prior to doing anything is key opsec
19:40:58 <zzz123> virtual machine*
19:41:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> No and yes
19:41:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sometimes
19:42:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> If you dont have incoming connections, it doesnt really protect you from from spy nodes
19:44:20 <zzz123> i can code and exploit monero clients - what are the chief issues the community is concerned w/ in opsec re: ic/etc.
19:44:33 <zzz123> if someone would like to explain how 'spy nodes' operate that'd be a start
19:44:57 <m-relay> <m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> do you only function as a stem for other d++ txs if you have incoming connections or something? or is this more a concern about being eclipsed with spies
19:45:30 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> it does you still only stem to 1 peer, without d++ you would broadcast to all
19:45:33 <m-relay> <m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> they mostly just collect data that all nodes have access to but do not normally log
19:47:00 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> yeah stemming is one way, from inbound to outbound connections
19:48:15 <m-relay> <m​onero.arbo:matrix.org> mm yes ok I vaguely recall this
20:09:07 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> zzz123: Read https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/126
20:12:01 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> zzz123: This too: https://github.com/Rucknium/misc-research/blob/main/Monero-Peer-Subnet-Deduplication/pdf/monero-peer-subnet-deduplication.pdf
20:12:13 <zzz123> thanks
20:13:07 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If youre sybilled by spy nodes, it does not..
20:13:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It stems to a spy node -> fails -> stems to a different spy node -> fails -> only tx's being stemmed are the ones that come from your rpc port
20:14:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If you HAVE incoming connections, the spy node does not know the origin is you
20:14:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because youll also be stemming other peoples tx (which you received via inc port)
20:15:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It stems to a spy node -> fails -> stems to a different spy node -> fails -> only tx's being stemmed are the ones that come from your rpc port = origin of tx ->confirmed
20:16:50 <zzz123> hm. if i understood the architecture more i could probably emulate realistic monero nodes. that's whack but https://i.imgur.com/GJ4tlTf.png i can def hop the network and merge into any node in the network assuming it's listening
20:17:04 <zzz123> emulate realistic monero nodes that are spy nodes*
20:17:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If at first step, the tx is not received from another node, it can also be deduced that your node was the origin
20:17:32 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> Well yes but if you are completely sybilled there is no protocol that could protect your IP using clear net
20:17:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> anonymous-inbound
20:17:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And tx-proxy
20:18:10 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> but that is not clear net
20:18:18 <zzz123> goddamnit i need to fix this
20:18:25 <zzz123> and come to understand it first
20:18:29 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> anonymous-inbound stems to clearnet bt default
20:18:30 <zzz123> not today
20:18:47 <zzz123> i need to fix bitcoin too. core coders are retarded dei clowns
20:18:58 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> You are using Tor
20:19:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> if the sender has disable_noise enabled, then it fluffs
20:19:32 <zzz123> 0day remote bitcoind dos = https://x.com/123456/status/1899101800701050931
20:19:50 <zzz123> exploit code once you have bitcoind running = https://pastebin.com/raw/skn7DhP9 (edit 127.0.0.1 to your remote ip)
20:19:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes, d++ doesnt protect you on clearnet if youre properly sybilled
20:19:59 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh no someone triggered my "DEI" political keyword notification
20:20:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But d++ works with tor/i2p as well, and throws off the clearnet stuff
20:21:10 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> My point was nothing can, but d++ still helps with no incoming connections providing you aren't completely sybilled
20:21:12 <zzz123> i hope nobody with a botnet uses that exploit code to remotely disable the corn network
20:21:16 <zzz123> bbk
20:21:17 <zzz123> bbl*
20:21:19 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If i use tor but have no clearnet inc connections, you (as a spy) cant tell diff between me and some NAT normie w/ no incoming connections
20:22:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont think you have to be completely sybilled, just unlucky enough to stem to 1 sybil
20:22:45 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> You but the chance of you doing that is lower with d++
20:23:17 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> Yes but the chance of you doing that is lower with d++
20:23:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 75% of nodes are spy nodes :P
20:24:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 3/4 chance of stemming to a spy, or something like that lol
20:24:34 <zzz123> so basically monero isn't whatsoever secure to use. it should be treated like any other cryptocurrency in terms of practical opsec (hopping to hide origin ip)?
20:25:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If you want to hide origin ip, definitively, use tx-proxy
20:26:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If you rely on clearnet only, then you should enable incoming connections. Aside from that, youre playing a statistics game.
20:26:46 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> Monerod prefers IPs in different /16 subnets, so the chance is a lot lower than that
20:27:17 <uncle_rae> anyone here attend the no-wallet-left-behind meeting?
20:27:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Noted
20:28:19 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> 15% according to this: https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/126#issuecomment-2460261864
21:28:56 <m-relay> <f​orbidden_island:ihazurinter.net> what's the best way to buy monero without KYC?
21:29:09 <m-relay> <f​orbidden_island:ihazurinter.net> should I start mining?
21:31:53 <zzz123> find a security vulnerability in monero and win up to 30 xmr!
21:31:59 <zzz123> tbh
21:41:57 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> not 30 xmr
21:42:27 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> mining on xmr is not profitable
22:02:45 <m-relay> <f​orbidden_island:ihazurinter.net> whats the expected loss then
22:02:52 <m-relay> <f​orbidden_island:ihazurinter.net> with an average 0.15/kwh electricity bill
22:04:13 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i don't know tbh but I've same electricity price, I would say that you pay 4x what you earn
22:04:21 <m-relay> <f​orbidden_island:ihazurinter.net> WOW
22:04:23 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I've same electricity price, I would say that you pay 4x what you earn
22:04:33 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah xmr mining is not profitable
22:04:42 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> unless you have free electricity
22:04:50 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> now i know what you are asking
22:04:52 <m-relay> <f​orbidden_island:ihazurinter.net> stealing from mommy and daddy 🤑
22:05:04 <m-relay> <f​orbidden_island:ihazurinter.net> i've done a lot of bad things but I will never do this btw
22:05:20 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> "But how do we have that much hashrate" => 10% free electricity, 30% botnets, 60% nice guys that want to help
22:05:51 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i mean if your dad and mom are piece of shit, why not. But i doubt its the case, always cherish parents
22:06:05 <m-relay> <f​orbidden_island:ihazurinter.net> they're not perfect but I rather not steal
22:07:49 <bomb-on>  /join #monero-pools
22:07:51 <bomb-on> [22:06:25] Message(474): Cannot join channel (+b) - you are banned
22:07:57 <bomb-on> welp
22:08:10 <m-relay> <f​orbidden_island:ihazurinter.net> how did you get banned
22:08:16 <bomb-on> jwinterm ^
22:08:56 <bomb-on> i have no idea why, haven't been active for months :'(
22:08:58 <m-relay> <f​orbidden_island:ihazurinter.net> huh?
22:09:06 <m-relay> <f​orbidden_island:ihazurinter.net> oh
22:32:52 <nioc> bomb-on: pools has moved to the rizon irc network
22:33:08 <nioc> old room was banned 
22:33:46 <bomb-on> oh????
22:33:48 <bomb-on> :(((
22:34:00 <bomb-on> i can't imagine why =)))
22:34:13 <bomb-on> thanks for info mate, appreciate it!
22:34:17 <nioc> troll was instigating them to act even worse  lol
22:34:35 <nioc> np old timer  :)
22:35:00 <nioc> or maybe it was just the troll themselves 
22:35:05 <nioc> .shrug
22:35:32 <bomb-on> lol totally checks out =)
22:37:55 <as2333> bomb-on join #monero-offtopic
22:38:22 <bomb-on> sounds like a scam ^^
22:38:26 <bomb-on> but ok, why not
22:43:53 <as2333> bomb-on it's a true and authentic monero channel