04:09:36 Do you guys plan to have memo or mailing list node operators? 04:09:36 I was not aware that the new 0.18.4.0 monero was limiting connections as DDOS prevention or something. And that was causing issue to my nodes normal operation. 04:11:00 RPC* 04:17:50 Yea, trying to notify pools first 05:05:53 Gm 08:23:23 ravfx: do you know which limit you hit? they are quite high by default 09:58:30 <321bob321:monero.social> Not in change log ? 09:58:42 <321bob321:monero.social> Fyi i dont read it either 10:15:34 Be the change you wanna see in the world 10:15:39 Making the mailing list 10:15:43 Make the mailing list 10:44:37 <321bob321:monero.social> We can send it from hardware⊙go 12:08:21 0.18.4.0 sync from scratch 13h40m 12:11:59 Selsta, the rpc private ip (=25) 12:12:20 Rav runs a public node (feather) 12:19:43 yes but i'm just confused that there are so many simultaneous connections 12:19:58 25 is a lot for tor 12:20:14 does Feather use tor by default? 12:20:54 nioc: do you remember how this compares to previous versions on your system? 12:20:56 no, but probably that most feather users are inclined to use Tor 12:23:59 Plowsof had to increase to > 100 12:24:55 Rav has over 100 regularly (for months). Likely at least some are malicious, but not increasing stop legit users from being able to connect 12:25:50 So both of them had to increase private ips and max connections 12:42:09 Just a reminder for public nodes to decrease the soft buffer limit from 25MiB to 20MB, 25MiB is pretty liberal, and if you increase Tor/private connections limit, any bit of memory constraints can help. 12:51:23 selsta: difficult to tell because of when I did the others, that is how close to release and therefore checkpoints 12:52:36 that node is now off and I will do a continuing sync in some days to get an estimation 12:52:41 For me, 1834 for the first 1m blocks is way slower 12:52:51 the last full sync was ~24h 12:53:48 the first 40% of the chain was 30minutes 12:56:43 syntheticbird: i think the soft limit should not be changed otherwise some large RPC requests might not fit in 12:56:48 but i'm not 100% sure 13:01:32 selsta, largest i've observed is 15MB with get_output_distribution 14:18:58 hashi.sbs? new instance unlocked. 14:19:24 Why do any of you bother with XMR? Cryptocurrency does not work because you cannot trust people to safely store private keys. All it takes is one misclick, mass spread malware or supply chain to lose all your funds. Monero is unstable. It will definitely fall by at least -90% with the coming recession, because of how correlated it is to the rest of this fraudulent crypto market. W 14:19:24 hy is everyone here wasting their time and resources on this nonsense? 14:20:07 Why do any of you bother with XMR? Cryptocurrency does not work because you cannot trust people to safely store private keys. All it takes is one misclick, mass spread malware or supply chain attack to lose all your funds. Monero is unstable. It will definitely fall by at least -90% with the coming recession, because of how correlated it is to the rest of this fraudulent crypto ma 14:20:08 rket. Why is everyone here wasting their time and resources on this nonsense? 14:20:41 My cat told me to 14:21:42 Void Linux recently removed all cryptocurrency packages. People are realizing what a waste of energy and resources cryptocurrency is. Monero is not an exception. 14:22:09 i missed you zcash aka thetruth 14:22:15 glad to see you are alive 14:23:05 Cats are not as intelligent as humans. 14:24:09 How can you be knowledgeable about Rust and computers, but also so easily fooled by cryptocurrency? 14:25:50 I’m glad this chat is winding down. Activity is decreasing, and I hope it continues. People really should stop using Monero. 14:25:58 rugpullxmr: try fud elsewhere 14:26:15 Anti-schizo.png 14:26:40 What have I said that is FUD? 14:26:42 Winter is over. I go outside again 14:27:03 Everything 😂 14:27:37 so, rugpullxmr is the new juliu? XDDD 14:27:39 Its not FUD, bcuz theres no fear, uncertainty, or doubt, in his words 14:27:51 Void Linux has removed all cryptocurrency packages. Leading computing minds, such as Richard Stallman and Linus Torvalds, oppose cryptocurrency. It doesn’t work. Monero is included. 14:28:05 I'm bullish on tugpulls words 14:28:15 Linus also opposes russia 14:28:45 And if they never had monero, rhen what were they doing in the first place? Hosting scams? 14:28:48 offtopic + finland + cope with it + sech1 i still love you 14:28:57 Juliu was right. Cryptography is based on the conjecture of one-way functions. There are no mathematical proofs for this. You don’t even understand how it works. 14:29:19 Juliu mentioned let's fucking go 14:29:32 How can you be optimistic about the fact that private keys can be easily stolen? Can this even be fixed? 14:29:34 unfortunately, there's also NO proof that one-way function isn't fundamentally impossible 14:30:45 4rc55femihoe1.gif 14:31:57 Yes, don’t be stupid. 14:31:58 It takes only one supply chain attack, and your Monero is gone. It could be any single Linux package. If Monero becomes widespread, the motivation for such an attack increases. 14:32:05 I get robbed everyday, what diff does it make 14:32:34 Hardware wallets are not a solution either. 14:33:20 I can’t see any of your images, sorry. 14:33:22 at a fundamental level, I think the universe doesn't allow one-way functions to exist because according to quantum mechanics, information can't be destroyed (however, we can practically never recover all the info necessary to undermine cryptography) 14:33:24 also, when doing cryptography, we're using math which is not bound by physics (for the most part... for example, you can play around with infinity to your heart's content) 14:33:26 so, IMO, only in pure mathematics, cryptography is a possibility 14:35:15 "I think". You’re basing this on belief, and I don’t trust it at all. Eventually, the cryptography used by Monero and other cryptocurrencies will be broken. It’s a constant cat-and-mouse game, and it can’t go on forever. 14:35:36 as for "supply chain" attack, that's much harder to pull off on open-source projects (especially on Monero... our maintainers are much more vigilant + capable) 14:37:12 It’s challenging, but not impossible. If such an event occurs, the damage cannot be reversed, and that’s unacceptable, particularly when it involves something as critical as funds. 14:38:29 If someone does the same to a bank, they can reverse the damages because it’s centralized. This isn’t possible with cryptocurrency. 14:40:16 There are too many flaws, and I could continue to list them. However, this is a waste of time, and the talented developers here should be focusing on other priorities. Please stop wasting your time on Monero. 14:45:44 Follow Satoshi’s example. Purposefully lose your private keys or withdraw your Monero into fiat. Move on and stop wasting your potential. 14:49:05 all monero should be disposed into my wallet address, NOW 14:49:08 f 14:49:15 Hello 14:49:20 Unlike humans cats know what is important 14:49:24 rugpullxmr, satoshi lost his btc unintentionally while swimming in a lake 14:49:42 wher here ? 14:52:50 knownsec Satoshi recognized that Bitcoin is an absolute failure and danger, and this applies to all cryptocurrency, including Monero. 14:53:40 danger to who? 14:54:03 Monero’s concept of private online cash is admirable, but it’s fundamentally incompatible with blockchains and cryptocurrency. Perhaps there will be another approach to implementing this idea in the future. 14:55:10 Please review the final Bitcointalk posts authored by Satoshi Nakamoto. 14:59:12 I very much share the same views, but many fail to understand it 15:01:11 its funny that you claim that we waste our time, yet you waste your time here arguing??? 15:01:43 Once the prices of all cryptocurrency decline to levels never seen before, the general public will give up on the idea of cryptocurrency. Normies only care about the price and swindling each other. For anyone with a brain, you don’t need to focus solely on the flawed economics; the very foundations – cryptography, node/mining game theory, and security – were always destined 15:01:44 to fail. It will be obvious in hindsight. 15:02:21 what's your goal with this, to pull people back into the collapsing fiat? 15:02:55 No arguments here. I’m posting my thoughts and will leave now. Hopefully it helps some developers leave Monero – they are geniuses who need to spend their knowledge elsewhere. That’s my goal. 15:03:14 if thats your interest, then you should better preach to normies, they are easier to convince 15:03:59 Focus on work like developing the Linux kernel, improving Rust, or literally anything other than Monero. You’re not soydevs. Stop it and go away. Be like Satoshi. 15:04:47 pls improve anything we can commercially exploit ToT 15:05:55 thats the thing with voluntary work, you do whatever tf you have fun doing 15:06:01 I like the idea of digital cash – it won’t work with the current cryptocurrency and blockchain model. It will take much longer to develop it properly. I'm not a fiat shill. 15:07:23 lmao how do you think people come up with new ideas and inventions? Its usually by working on it 15:07:58 It’s not voluntary. I assume some developers feel a sense of obligation to the community. I speak for most of the community – we don’t care. Your work will be appreciated on other open-source projects. We want you to work on something else other than Monero. 15:08:02 xmr is far from perfect, but the best we have 15:08:27 "I speak for most" no you fucking dont 15:09:06 Hopefully, the smart ones here will recognize the situation and finally move on. Thank you and goodbye. 15:09:43 interesting matrix home server 👀 15:11:34 rugpullxmr: and you are the dumb one who came here to troll ? 15:15:41 Fcmp’s will atleast make it very difficult to even find statistical connections on the blockchain alone. Which is really what’s needed. Plausible deniability isn’t enough. 15:17:46 I was just having fun with the troll hardhatter. Its the best we have right now (compared to other crypto and fiat), but of course things can always be improved 15:20:37 Oh yea I got that, I just felt like adding to that comment and say one of the most important improvements that I think is needed 15:22:17 After we have that one of the hardest challenges that I’m kinda skeptical about ever getting solved is mitigating capture of the currency by the market dominators 15:23:10 At least with xmr as it stands it will be apparent when it becomes captured, unlike some other currencies where it may be unclear 15:27:55 So far, fcmps make it difficult to use as money :D. Lets hope jeffros testnet is a bit faster 15:34:26 Yea aside from circumventing governments from controlling and monitoring people through trade. Privacy coins also just prevent any party that you transact with from knowing or reasonably estimating how much financial leverage they have against you, or preventing them from gaining any information about your transaction history that they can use against you. 15:35:24 I'm talking about speed 15:35:47 Nobody is going to use a coin that takes 30mins to build a tx 15:35:52 So if txps of xmr will end up never being close to that of non-privacy coins, that’s okay because they have different use cases 15:36:06 It would be great if it could do it all 15:36:12 at a certain point you're wishing for magic. fcmp, you can't get something for nothing. the computations cost. 15:36:17 I'm not talking about tps 15:36:42 I'm talking about taking 26min at present to send an 8 input tx 15:37:20 Obv thats _at present_. W/o any optimizations and before any official testnet 15:37:24 I was implying capacity through txps 15:37:28 construct a tx 15:38:14 Yeah, construct** 15:41:16 But yes I get what you’re saying even at the base line irrespective of the number of transactions it’s difficult to use as cash if 26 is the limit for even a single transaction 15:41:41 But yes I get what you’re saying even at the base line irrespective of the number of transactions it’s difficult to use as cash if 26min is the limit for even a single transaction 15:44:10 Nobody is going to stand at the register for 30mins while they wait for the tx to construct 15:45:36 im talking to grok about an new anonymous internet layer with such Interesting concepts. 15:45:47 Some WalletUX work to do very probably, like a one tap button to consolidate transaction while you know you don't need to transact 15:46:04 consolidate outputs* 15:46:14 yes i know chain bloat 15:46:24 That takes 30mins for 8 inputs .. 15:46:32 should I upload the screenshot to a free image hosting sites so y'all can see for yourself or should I post the chat via paste-bin? 15:46:55 before going in shopping you consolidate your shit 15:47:00 then you are ready to go 15:47:06 I'm not sitting around for hours everyday after work for consolidate inputs 15:47:41 Takes 3 mins for a 1 input tx. Still much too long 15:47:42 paste-bin 15:47:44 I mean it really depends on priorities 15:48:00 Spending money 15:48:37 cry about it, fcmp will come and you'll have no choice but to comply. and I'll look at you like the inferior being that you are on top of my "FCMP Fan" throne. 15:48:57 /s 15:49:01 would like to emphasise again, that those numbers dont include any optimizations 15:49:49 If it’s the best option you have to ensure privacy, then for your use case it may be sufficient. If it’s not sufficient then there needs to be a fork or some kind of option to make the trade off for speed 15:50:17 I'll literally go back to cash or even zcash 😆, mweb, or basically anything usable 15:50:25 Unless of course we successfully optimize it so that we get the best of both worlds 15:50:43 a fork that favors speed will obviously then have weaker privacy. what kind of interoperability would it have then with the main chain? 15:50:47 Privacy is important, but not at the cost of destroying the digital cash proposition 15:51:47 Yea but a more hardened version is still a good option to have and will be useful to people even if it’s slower 15:51:51 Back to the normal amount after a good night of sleep 15:51:52 monero:~/docker-monero-node# netstat -na | grep 18081 | grep 127.0.0.1 | wc -l 15:51:54 429 15:52:10 would y'all like to hear my concept? 15:52:17 no 15:52:54 Why not?I think it's interesting nonetheless 15:53:27 Been like that for like a year (with a very slow but steady increase) 15:53:32 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/HwCGjnqduQrLBbKDPCyEIOWB 15:54:32 (sels cant see your img) 15:54:50 oh yeah, sec 15:55:19 https://xmr.mx/media/v1/media/download/Afy0sPCveiFEApYVCyow4lv9mon5DSB2ew2niT6kxJ8nwdV61LaAGadYcJ-ijVetfeNV149291ui-vGiFpnQv61CeWL96fMQAHhtci5teC9sY2xoYVhLSnNIZXhtRVVERmdSYmhTamE 15:55:56 also be kind enough to write the magic word 15:55:58 selsta 15:56:40 @ravfx:xmr.mxwhats xmr.mx? 15:57:08 That's my matrix home server (does not have anything much here... For now) 15:58:16 i'm not sure i understand the context 15:58:28 is everything working correctly now ravfx? 15:58:48 Right now about ~400 Tor RPC connections 15:58:48 And 100 normal non TOR RPC connections 15:58:56 Sel, rav was replying to this " ravfx: do you know which limit you hit? they are quite high by default" 16:00:00 But yeah, everything working as usual since I have bumped the limits 16:02:54 xmr's value isn't based on privacy so much as "maybe it wasn't me" 16:03:33 😄 ⛑️ 16:05:15 Yea but ideally you wouldn’t even have a useful correlation to go on a hunch 16:05:57 which is what fcmp moves us towards 16:06:39 Becoming a target in the first place is the problem 16:06:49 I agree 16:07:44 ravfx: the total amount of connections is consistent with before updating? just want to make sure there is no bug with connections not closing properly 16:08:04 Yeah 16:08:30 Ravs has had a high /consistent connection count for many months 16:08:57 The image here show that https://xmr.mx/media/v1/media/download/Afy0sPCveiFEApYVCyow4lv9mon5DSB2ew2niT6kxJ8nwdV61LaAGadYcJ-ijVetfeNV149291ui-vGiFpnQv61CeWL96fMQAHhtci5teC9sY2xoYVhLSnNIZXhtRVVERmdSYmhTamE 16:11:02 that seems to be a 24h graph 16:11:25 I agree with this 16:11:29 wait, I can provide for last 6 month (I deleted old data ) 16:12:16 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/cNjiCZCrpsAgBCxhfBJBQLGP 16:12:20 this is a little tougher because of a few reasons, first of all who is even interested in this stuff is often exactly who is targeted. 16:12:23 https://xmr.mx/media/v1/media/download/AXsPkCMI8pvL2cdJj2c9y5CadOo6MfU1E8QzL2EN6mcNVtoGDK_6wF5o5c7XcT6CUCKt_-xnfSt6MXMH8zJ5mYBCeWL-5WyAAHhtci5teC9ZbWx5VHhoeU9GcWVFV3ZjTEt6aHJqcmY 16:12:37 The dip in the graph is when TOR failed and I did not notice 16:13:03 I like the network privacy works xmr has going on, that's good, might even be as important or more than the chain? what do people think? 16:13:06 And we can see the February attack tentative 😂 16:13:24 Seam to go up slowly with time 16:13:46 that's cool.. how did you generate that image? 16:13:57 @imprevisto:matrix.orgwhos targeted? 16:14:04 If you use the docker monero node things, it come with it 16:14:44 I can look into that, thanks! but do you know what part it is? 16:15:12 It's Grafana 16:15:25 Thank you 16:22:14 Honestly inadequacy of Tor and I2P is probably one of the biggest problems being neglected at the moment 16:22:28 I mean it’s not totally neglected 16:23:33 People are aware but you’d think there would be an effort proportional to the severity of the problem 16:24:39 It’s not something the monero community should be responsible for trying to resolve though 16:24:53 i find the amount of connections suspicious but maybe I underestimate the amount of users monero has 16:25:49 Plowsof has similar number of connections iirc 16:26:26 hardhatter: what inadequacy of tor and i2p you are talking about? 16:26:44 there's nym, I worked with that a little bit and I have open ended plans to maybe do it again if it comes to be what's right in front of me 16:26:50 there is yggdrasil btw, not sure if it can be used with monero nodes tho 16:26:58 also, I think tor is "probably pretty good" 16:27:07 Selsta, there is also the fact that tor is probably a lot slower (so it take longer for theses to do what they want to do and "inflate" the amount of connections 16:27:55 there's been documented attacks on it, but targeted over limited time, (maybe with unpatched versions too) 16:28:46 the biggest threat to tor now is trump, defunding govt agencies that have supported it 16:30:40 and to put that in perspective, ssl itself had gaping holes that lingered for years, everywhere 16:30:55 @hyc hot take! 16:31:24 lul 16:31:32 They realistic ways for a government to statistically narrow down who you’re communicating with, but there are configurations to improvement that problem in Tor and I2P. It’s just not the default. But even then there’s still attack vectors that can be done right now. 16:31:32 For some of those vectors it’s mostly a problem if you’re already a slight person of interest, you’ll then become a major person of interest 16:32:04 There’s realistic ways for a government to statistically narrow down who you’re communicating with, but there are configurations to improve that problem in Tor and I2P. It’s just not the default. But even then there’s still attack vectors that can be done right now. 16:32:04 For some of those vectors it’s mostly a problem if you’re already a slight person of interest, you’ll then become a major person of interest 16:32:46 I think it's the same idea with the xmr network, where a major problem is when adversaries become integrated with the infra 16:33:02 please don't edit your posts. they get sent redundantly to irc. 16:33:29 please don't use IRC... oh wait, I like IRC 16:33:53 don't be a jerk when people ask you politely and say "please" 16:33:57 Yea except Tor is relatively way more compromised since too many nodes are plausibly feds 16:34:01