00:14:57 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/CbyERTIJiEvJLWlnmeyHTZIk 00:15:01 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I laughed so hard at this lmao. This has the be THE most cherry-picked chart ive ever seen 00:16:52 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/GezIyWofvZznSXXccCZoetsS 06:59:12 <m-relay> <x3cc:nope.chat> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/nJZMwwMLkEdbHPvAQgVUueyx 06:59:22 <m-relay> <x3cc:nope.chat> Wen lambo 07:02:02 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Already got a tesla 08:37:09 <m-relay> <ity:itycodes.org> What BTC/ETH/LTC <-> XMR exchange do y'all recommend ? 08:37:18 <m-relay> <ity:itycodes.org> What BTC/ETH/LTC -> XMR exchange do y'all recommend ? 08:42:28 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Trocador or haveno 08:44:24 <m-relay> <ity:itycodes.org> Hmm, how is https://ff.io/ ? 08:47:24 <m-relay> <neromonero1024:monero.social> check kycnot.me 08:47:31 <m-relay> <neromonero1024:monero.social> it lists plenty of exchanges 08:54:09 <m-relay> <kevino:tchncs.de> good no issues so far 08:59:19 <m-relay> <17lifers:matrix.org> so its better than changenow? 09:27:56 <m-relay> <kevino:tchncs.de> yeah , usually it offers better prices. Also faster trades 09:29:18 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> just use trocador https://trocador.app/?ref=YFJL36Szy7 09:29:49 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> it picks the best prices automatically and shows you a KYC rating 09:39:04 <m-relay> <kevino:tchncs.de> wow , referral link :) 09:39:59 <m-relay> <17lifers:matrix.org> yes, support monero waifu ^_^ 09:40:58 <m-relay> <kevino:tchncs.de> support bull 09:41:12 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> image.png 09:41:18 <m-relay> <kevino:tchncs.de> ff will be usually on top of trocador too 09:41:28 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> it would have had a disclaimer if matrix would have taken the link 09:41:39 <m-relay> <kevino:tchncs.de> i use trocador too btw 10:20:58 <m-relay> <xmrpatchwork:matrix.org> If ltc is bought with a KYC exchange then swapped for XMR on trocador, is the XMR still spat out 'anonymous' or are there still links to your original KYC LYC? 10:21:14 <m-relay> <xmrpatchwork:matrix.org> If ltc is bought with a KYC exchange then swapped for XMR on trocador, is the XMR still spat out 'anonymous' or are there still links to your original KYC LTC? 10:23:27 <m-relay> <kevino:tchncs.de> no links once you withdraw it to your self custody wallet. irrespective of the coin you swapped 10:23:51 <m-relay> <kevino:tchncs.de> more info in [#monero-support:monero.social](https://matrix.to/#/%23monero-support:monero.social) 11:37:11 <m-relay> <kevino:tchncs.de> that site doesn't do due diligence of services that well. Some information provided is incorrect. i have written it to then 12:45:16 <m-relay> <neromonero1024:monero.social> Interesting... Thanks for the knowledge 13:08:58 <loser__> test - did this work? am i in here? 13:10:31 <m-relay> <xmrpatchwork:matrix.org> Wonder if anyone uses the nickname loser__ 13:22:42 <loser__> is buy/sell/trade discussion allowed here? never used an irc before 13:25:16 <m-relay> <aremor:matrix.org> You can try #monero-markets loser__ 13:26:10 <loser__> thanks <3 17:30:50 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> Generally the cheapest, has the lowest minimums I've seen, too. 17:56:16 <m-relay> <fijxu:nadeko.net> Pretty good 17:56:50 <m-relay> <fijxu:nadeko.net> But I prefer to use them through Trocador 17:58:44 <m-relay> <xmrpatchwork:matrix.org> A few times i have seen Elolix have the cheapest and the fastest times. 17:58:44 <m-relay> <xmrpatchwork:matrix.org> Fixfloat comes back with low spread but often 40min transfer waits. 17:59:41 <m-relay> <xmrpatchwork:matrix.org> I guess it all depends on the current market rates? 17:59:42 <m-relay> <xmrpatchwork:matrix.org> Not quite sure how it works to be honest 18:02:20 <m-relay> <xmrpatchwork:matrix.org> I've seen Elolix with 0.4% spread and under 10 minute wait. 18:02:20 <m-relay> <xmrpatchwork:matrix.org> Even though the spread is for example, 0.4% - do you still get skimmed a premium for rhe faster transfer speeds? 18:46:45 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> was hacked 18:47:30 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> yes 19:17:04 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> Eh? 19:18:30 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> https://news.bitcoin.com/cryptocurrency-exchange-fixedfloat-hacked-close-to-26-million-lost-in-btc-and-eth/ 19:25:23 <as2333> lawl - US govt strikes again 20:08:02 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> Oh, that's very old news (this happened over a year ago), and not an attack that bothers me. The only people that suffered were FixedFloat themselves; they lost business funds, not user funds. 20:09:31 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> A hack is a hack 20:09:32 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Peckshield, a blockchain security and auditing firm, later found that 1,728 ETH, valued at $4.85 million, and 409 BTC, valued at close to $21 million, were stolen during the still unexplained exploit 20:09:44 <as2333> non-KYC exchange loses 20 millions, that looks like bad news for users 20:09:46 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> It damages your image 20:14:09 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> I don't care about image, I care about code. If it works and doesn't put my funds at risk, I'm happy. 20:14:35 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Image is trust 20:14:41 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> Don't trust; verify. 20:15:01 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Up to you, especially they don't know how it went missing 20:15:13 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Can't verify how it got stolen 20:15:39 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Up to peoples risk tolerance 20:15:45 <as2333> this has nothing to do with image - if they lose 20 millions they are likely to go out of business 20:15:49 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> Not my concern, their loss. I don't need to verify anything about them or their balance sheet, only what happens to the funds I send them and whether I can ensure that I get what I'm paying them for. 20:16:06 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> Fine by me 🤷 20:16:09 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> As long as you move it off exchange 20:16:22 <as2333> that's completely retarded 20:16:36 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> Are we talking about the same thing here? They're not an exchange that you deposit funds onto, they're a swap platform. 20:16:40 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> That comment is 20:16:59 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Oh k 20:17:10 <as2333> if the exchange get 'hacked' and lose their money they will go out of business - that's obviously bad for users 20:17:11 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Thought it was exchange 20:17:16 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> Christ 😅 20:17:20 <as2333> saying "I don't care" is completely retareded 20:17:34 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> No, it isn't; there are alternatives. 20:17:37 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> I *don't* care. 20:17:44 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> Why should I? 20:17:48 <as2333> right, your comment is competely retarded 20:17:53 <as2333> as is your attitude 20:18:23 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> My attitude of not caring about whether a business goes bust beacuse there are other businesses and decentralised platforms offering the same service? 20:18:47 <as2333> I'm not talking about businesses in general but a particular kind of exchange. 20:19:01 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> Then we are not talking about the same thing 20:19:03 <as2333> and a particular kind of attack. 20:19:27 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Yeah did issue 20:19:36 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Diff° 20:19:43 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> I am talking only about a business that didn't conduct proper business-level opsec and thus suffered a breach that cost them their own money. I'm not commenting on anything else. 20:20:02 <as2333> right - you are framing it in a retarded way 20:20:12 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> What other way is there to frame it? 20:20:17 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> Why *should* I care, as asked already? 20:20:18 <as2333> but carry on 20:20:24 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> 1. Swap service going under 20:20:24 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> 2. Service getting hacked 20:20:35 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Markdown suxs 20:20:37 <as2333> you should care because they offer a non KYC service 20:20:55 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> But they don't have a monopoly on that service. 20:21:12 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> That service doesn't even need to be offered by a company; DEXs exist. 20:21:14 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> I think they mean one less operating 20:22:01 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> What's haveno trade completed percentage 20:22:20 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Like how much is exactly traded 20:22:42 <as2333> there are DEXs - that's a fair point - still non-KYC being 'hacked' isn't a good thing. 20:22:59 <as2333> non-KYC exchanges* 20:24:15 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> You keep asserting it isn't, but without a reason. What's the reason? 20:25:51 <as2333> the reason should be self-evident. The more non-KYC exchanges, the better 20:28:24 <as2333> the other implicit point is : you can assume that if a non-KYC exchange was 'hacked' the US govt is likely to be involved. And their sucess is bad news for people. 20:32:51 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> Not to me, so an explicit statement of it would be nice. "Self-evident" doesn't teach people anything, it just makes you look like you reason based on feelings rather than logic. 20:33:13 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> Where does this implication/conclusion come from? It could be literally any actor, why the US government specifically? 20:33:26 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> It could've been me, for all you know. 20:35:06 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> If it was ypu. You should be rich 20:44:05 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> Maybe I *am* rich. I haven't been employed for almost 2 years and am doing just fine financially... 20:44:36 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Baller 21:03:47 <m-relay> <xmrpatchwork:matrix.org> Send me 10 xmr then 😝 21:05:40 <m-relay> <17lifers:matrix.org> would you consider having 19.04xmr being rich xd 21:09:30 <plowsof> We got him 21:31:59 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> I only donate to worthy causes 🙏 21:36:55 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> thanks for donating to Monero 21:37:26 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> Who is this "Monero"? 21:38:27 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> XMR 21:39:25 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> Never heard of him, are those initials like SBF? 21:39:50 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> idk who is SBF 21:40:09 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> Good, save your brain cells 21:53:01 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Sam bank fraud 21:53:44 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/how-do-i-buy-crypto-in-germany-europe-privately/26913 21:56:08 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Google pay 21:56:27 <uncle_rae> o_0 21:56:34 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> ? 21:57:15 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Joke 21:57:41 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Rando I answered them in main,couple days ago 21:58:47 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> no account on forum? 21:59:19 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> I meant to click reply on @basses:matrix.org 's message 21:59:30 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> what u said is already mentioned in thread 21:59:43 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> the current question is what "tainted" means 22:00:00 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> Associated with illegal activity. 22:00:15 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> yes, but see context 22:00:31 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> Please be clearer, I've read the thread 22:00:42 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> Are you the OP? 22:00:47 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> nope 22:01:21 <m-relay> <jivan:opaline.uk> What was the purpose of sharing the thread? 22:02:17 <m-relay> <basses:matrix.org> answering them 22:05:59 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Artic mine can answer them