00:14:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/CbyERTIJiEvJLWlnmeyHTZIk
00:15:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I laughed so hard at this lmao. This has the be THE most cherry-picked chart ive ever seen
00:16:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/GezIyWofvZznSXXccCZoetsS
06:59:12 <m-relay> <x​3cc:nope.chat> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/nJZMwwMLkEdbHPvAQgVUueyx
06:59:22 <m-relay> <x​3cc:nope.chat> Wen lambo
07:02:02 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Already got a tesla
08:37:09 <m-relay> <i​ty:itycodes.org> What BTC/ETH/LTC <-> XMR exchange do y'all recommend ?
08:37:18 <m-relay> <i​ty:itycodes.org> What BTC/ETH/LTC -> XMR exchange do y'all recommend ?
08:42:28 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Trocador or haveno
08:44:24 <m-relay> <i​ty:itycodes.org> Hmm, how is https://ff.io/ ?
08:47:24 <m-relay> <n​eromonero1024:monero.social> check kycnot.me
08:47:31 <m-relay> <n​eromonero1024:monero.social> it lists plenty of exchanges
08:54:09 <m-relay> <k​evino:tchncs.de> good no issues so far
08:59:19 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> so its better than changenow?
09:27:56 <m-relay> <k​evino:tchncs.de> yeah , usually it offers better prices. Also faster trades
09:29:18 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> just use trocador https://trocador.app/?ref=YFJL36Szy7
09:29:49 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> it picks the best prices automatically and shows you a KYC rating
09:39:04 <m-relay> <k​evino:tchncs.de> wow , referral link :)
09:39:59 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> yes, support monero waifu ^_^
09:40:58 <m-relay> <k​evino:tchncs.de> support bull
09:41:12 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> image.png
09:41:18 <m-relay> <k​evino:tchncs.de> ff will be usually on top of trocador too
09:41:28 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> it would have had a disclaimer if matrix would have taken the link
09:41:39 <m-relay> <k​evino:tchncs.de> i use trocador too btw
10:20:58 <m-relay> <x​mrpatchwork:matrix.org> If ltc is bought with a KYC exchange then swapped for XMR on trocador, is the XMR still spat out 'anonymous' or are there still links to your original KYC LYC?
10:21:14 <m-relay> <x​mrpatchwork:matrix.org> If ltc is bought with a KYC exchange then swapped for XMR on trocador, is the XMR still spat out 'anonymous' or are there still links to your original KYC LTC?
10:23:27 <m-relay> <k​evino:tchncs.de> no links once you withdraw it to your self custody wallet. irrespective of the coin you swapped
10:23:51 <m-relay> <k​evino:tchncs.de> more info in [#monero-support:monero.social](https://matrix.to/#/%23monero-support:monero.social)
11:37:11 <m-relay> <k​evino:tchncs.de> that site doesn't do due diligence of  services that well. Some information provided is incorrect. i have written it to then
12:45:16 <m-relay> <n​eromonero1024:monero.social> Interesting... Thanks for the knowledge
13:08:58 <loser__> test - did this work? am i in here?
13:10:31 <m-relay> <x​mrpatchwork:matrix.org> Wonder if anyone uses the nickname loser__
13:22:42 <loser__> is buy/sell/trade discussion allowed here? never used an irc before 
13:25:16 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> You can try #monero-markets loser__
13:26:10 <loser__> thanks <3
17:30:50 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> Generally the cheapest, has the lowest minimums I've seen, too.
17:56:16 <m-relay> <f​ijxu:nadeko.net> Pretty good
17:56:50 <m-relay> <f​ijxu:nadeko.net> But I prefer to use them through Trocador
17:58:44 <m-relay> <x​mrpatchwork:matrix.org> A few times i have seen Elolix have the cheapest and the fastest times.
17:58:44 <m-relay> <x​mrpatchwork:matrix.org> Fixfloat comes back with low spread but often 40min transfer waits.
17:59:41 <m-relay> <x​mrpatchwork:matrix.org> I guess it all depends on the current market rates?
17:59:42 <m-relay> <x​mrpatchwork:matrix.org> Not quite sure how it works to be honest
18:02:20 <m-relay> <x​mrpatchwork:matrix.org> I've seen Elolix with 0.4% spread and under 10 minute wait.
18:02:20 <m-relay> <x​mrpatchwork:matrix.org> Even though the spread is for example, 0.4% - do you still get skimmed a premium for rhe faster transfer speeds?
18:46:45 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> was hacked
18:47:30 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> yes
19:17:04 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> Eh?
19:18:30 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://news.bitcoin.com/cryptocurrency-exchange-fixedfloat-hacked-close-to-26-million-lost-in-btc-and-eth/
19:25:23 <as2333> lawl - US govt strikes again
20:08:02 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> Oh, that's very old news (this happened over a year ago), and not an attack that bothers me. The only people that suffered were FixedFloat themselves; they lost business funds, not user funds.
20:09:31 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> A hack is a hack
20:09:32 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Peckshield, a blockchain security and auditing firm, later found that 1,728  ETH, valued at $4.85 million, and 409 BTC, valued at close to $21 million, were stolen during the still unexplained exploit
20:09:44 <as2333> non-KYC exchange loses 20 millions, that looks like bad news for users 
20:09:46 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> It damages your image
20:14:09 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> I don't care about image, I care about code. If it works and doesn't put my funds at risk, I'm happy.
20:14:35 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Image is trust
20:14:41 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> Don't trust; verify.
20:15:01 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Up to you, especially they don't know how it went missing
20:15:13 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Can't verify how it got stolen
20:15:39 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Up to peoples risk tolerance
20:15:45 <as2333> this has nothing to do with image - if they lose 20 millions they are likely to go out of business
20:15:49 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> Not my concern, their loss. I don't need to verify anything about them or their balance sheet, only what happens to the funds I send them and whether I can ensure that I get what I'm paying them for.
20:16:06 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> Fine by me 🤷
20:16:09 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> As long as you move it off exchange
20:16:22 <as2333> that's completely retarded
20:16:36 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> Are we talking about the same thing here? They're not an exchange that you deposit funds onto, they're a swap platform.
20:16:40 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> That comment is
20:16:59 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Oh k
20:17:10 <as2333> if the exchange get 'hacked' and lose their money they will go out of business - that's obviously bad for users
20:17:11 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Thought it was exchange
20:17:16 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> Christ 😅
20:17:20 <as2333> saying "I don't care" is completely retareded
20:17:34 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> No, it isn't; there are alternatives.
20:17:37 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> I *don't* care.
20:17:44 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> Why should I?
20:17:48 <as2333> right, your comment is competely retarded
20:17:53 <as2333> as is your attitude
20:18:23 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> My attitude of not caring about whether a business goes bust beacuse there are other businesses and decentralised platforms offering the same service?
20:18:47 <as2333> I'm not talking about businesses in general but a particular kind of exchange.
20:19:01 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> Then we are not talking about the same thing
20:19:03 <as2333> and a particular kind of attack.
20:19:27 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah did issue
20:19:36 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Diff°
20:19:43 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> I am talking only about a business that didn't conduct proper business-level opsec and thus suffered a breach that cost them their own money. I'm not commenting on anything else.
20:20:02 <as2333> right - you are framing it in a retarded way
20:20:12 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> What other way is there to frame it?
20:20:17 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> Why *should* I care, as asked already?
20:20:18 <as2333> but carry on
20:20:24 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> 1. Swap service going under 
20:20:24 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> 2. Service getting hacked
20:20:35 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Markdown suxs
20:20:37 <as2333> you should care because they offer a non KYC service
20:20:55 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> But they don't have a monopoly on that service.
20:21:12 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> That service doesn't even need to be offered by a company; DEXs exist.
20:21:14 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> I think they mean one less operating
20:22:01 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> What's haveno trade completed percentage
20:22:20 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Like how much is exactly traded
20:22:42 <as2333> there are DEXs - that's a fair point - still non-KYC being 'hacked' isn't a good thing.
20:22:59 <as2333> non-KYC exchanges*
20:24:15 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> You keep asserting it isn't, but without a reason. What's the reason?
20:25:51 <as2333> the reason should be self-evident. The more non-KYC exchanges, the better
20:28:24 <as2333> the other implicit point is : you can assume that if a non-KYC exchange was 'hacked' the US govt is likely to be involved. And their sucess is bad news for people.
20:32:51 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> Not to me, so an explicit statement of it would be nice. "Self-evident" doesn't teach people anything, it just makes you look like you reason based on feelings rather than logic.
20:33:13 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> Where does this implication/conclusion come from? It could be literally any actor, why the US government specifically?
20:33:26 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> It could've been me, for all you know.
20:35:06 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> If it was ypu. You should be rich
20:44:05 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> Maybe I *am* rich. I haven't been employed for almost 2 years and am doing just fine financially...
20:44:36 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Baller
21:03:47 <m-relay> <x​mrpatchwork:matrix.org> Send me 10 xmr then 😝
21:05:40 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> would you consider having 19.04xmr being rich xd
21:09:30 <plowsof> We got him 
21:31:59 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> I only donate to worthy causes 🙏
21:36:55 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> thanks for donating to Monero
21:37:26 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> Who is this "Monero"?
21:38:27 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> XMR
21:39:25 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> Never heard of him, are those initials like SBF?
21:39:50 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> idk who is SBF
21:40:09 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> Good, save your brain cells
21:53:01 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Sam bank fraud
21:53:44 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/how-do-i-buy-crypto-in-germany-europe-privately/26913
21:56:08 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Google pay
21:56:27 <uncle_rae> o_0
21:56:34 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> ?
21:57:15 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Joke
21:57:41 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Rando I answered them in main,couple days ago
21:58:47 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> no account on forum?
21:59:19 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> I meant to click reply on @basses:matrix.org 's message
21:59:30 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> what u said is already mentioned in thread
21:59:43 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> the current question is  what "tainted" means
22:00:00 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> Associated with illegal activity.
22:00:15 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> yes, but see context
22:00:31 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> Please be clearer, I've read the thread
22:00:42 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> Are you the OP?
22:00:47 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> nope
22:01:21 <m-relay> <j​ivan:opaline.uk> What was the purpose of sharing the thread?
22:02:17 <m-relay> <b​asses:matrix.org> answering them
22:05:59 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Artic mine can answer them