02:31:40 I tried using the Cake Wallet on iOS. Where should I get Monero from, and how can I deposit Monero into the wallet? 03:53:44 do you know how to get any other crypto? 03:59:52 no 04:00:11 Are you looking to buy XMR using fiat currency or any other crypto currency? 04:00:23 im new in crypto 04:03:52 If you have access to a laptop, you can buy XMR on Haveno exchange. 04:03:52 If you are new to crypto, it may be better to first buy USDT on Binance/Bybit/BingX. 04:03:54 Then use the USDT to buy Bitcoin. Withdraw Bitcoin to Muun wallet. 04:03:56 Then swap the Bitcoin to XMR on Cake wallet. 04:05:07 In some countries you can buy Bitcoin directly in Cake wallet. 04:07:31 exchange？ 04:08:37 Can XMR still be obtained through mining now? 04:09:16 Not usdt 04:09:35 Are you looking to buy using US dollars, Indian Rupees, GBP or any other fiat currency? 04:09:46 Everything here from usdt is convoluted. Ignore 04:10:46 ignore bitcoin lightning, muun wallet, and all of that waste of time 04:11:11 In some countries you can only buy USDT using fiat. You cannot directly buy Monero. 04:11:18 Also ignore bitcoin. Expensive, slow, and highly scrutinized 04:11:56 Buy whatever you want on the exchange, if you can buy litecoin directly, buy litecoin 04:12:30 You cannot. You will first need USDT. 04:12:48 says who? 04:13:29 kraken for example has a usd/xmr pair 04:14:20 you can buy xmr (and many other coins) on kraken 04:14:34 Says me. On some exchanges you get the option to buy BTC using fiat but the premium is very high. 04:14:36 Kraken is not available everywhere. 04:14:38 If you have USD you can buy on Haveno. 04:14:40 Usdt-only, what exchanges do that? 04:14:51 You can buy btc directly on, afaik, most if not all of them 04:16:14 Name an exchange that only has usdt available for purchase? And that doesnt also have btc or ltc availabke for fiat? 04:16:16 I can buy Bitcoin on Binance using INR but the premium is over 20%. Earning 20% is not easy. 04:17:20 but you can buy ltc (using usdt)on binance at 0.1%? And cant buy ltc directly? 04:18:22 Yes. This because the P2P sellers only want to sell USDT. 04:19:03 They have a clear earning while selling USDT. They have a 5% markup. 04:19:07 Nobody is talking about p2p 04:19:26 were talking about buying from the cex 04:20:02 if were talking about p2p, why even go through binance? Skip it and go straight to haveno 04:20:40 You can only buy on exchanges using P2P. Reserve Bank of India does not allow payments to Binance/Bybit/Coinbase etc. 04:21:01 We cannot go to Haveno. There are no sellers in INR. 04:21:18 is @666 in india? 04:21:40 If not, then your restrictions dont at all apply to this conversation 04:22:28 @666 * 04:22:36 That's why I asked him. It's the same in most countries. Haveno only has sellers in a few currencies. 04:23:23 most countries can buy btc/ltc/etc directly from the cex 04:23:29 India is an exception 04:24:33 In north america, most of the population can buy many coins directly from kraken, coinbase etc 04:25:09 In non-usa, many can buy directly from mexc, kucoin, or even noones 04:25:56 Kraken still services europe, just not for xmr 04:26:36 If youre in russia, china, or india, then you might to use need something else 04:33:46 in order of fastest / easiest 04:33:48 A) buy xmr directly from a cex like kraken 04:33:50 B) buy ltc directly from a cex like kraken/kucoin/binance -> withdraw it to cake wallet -> swap it for xmr using cake wallet, trocador.app, or orangefren.com 04:33:52 C) buy xmr directly from haveno 04:33:54 D) do B but buy btc and then swap it to xmr using unstoppableswaps atomic swaps (some setup required) 04:33:56 E) do B but swap the ltc -> xmr using basicswap atomic swaps (some technical knowledge required) 04:38:35 I’m not, I’m Japanese. 04:58:35 Just download Binance app and check if you are able to buy Bitcoin/Litecoin/USDT on it. Before placing any orders make sure to check the conversion rate. 05:01:56 I think you should be able to buy USDT directly from Binance Japan. 05:09:51 gug68hes there might be offers to buy bitcoin using your fiat currency on robosats or bisq. I cringe whenever I see people recommend kyc services. You can try moonpay and cake wallet as well. 05:29:14 i didnt recommend anything 05:29:38 You just said to try moonpay, isnt that kyc 05:30:34 🪞 05:30:51 🍲🫖 05:34:14 Japan has banned exchanges from selling xmr. You will have to purchase crypto (ltc, btc) and then swap it to xmr. Option a) wont work for you. All of the other options do 05:37:20 and quite honestly, norrinradd, if someone doesnt care about kycing, then there is 0 problems with them putting buy pressure on a cex. Without cex buyers, were just allowing cex's to accumulate xmr. Of course, i wouldnt suggest for anyone to sell xmr TO a cex 05:40:56 If kyc is an issue, then you have 05:40:56 A) haveno (direct xmr, desktop app) 05:40:58 B) bisq (direct btc -> trade for xmr, desktop app) 05:41:00 C) robosats (has a mobile app) 05:41:49 wasn't talking about yo uq 05:42:51 The shoe fit tho :P 05:43:21 literally don't remember what you said. I was talking about the reference to binance 05:52:00 what is kyc？ 05:54:13 https://kycnot.me 05:57:06 Real-name authentication？ 06:02:29 Can XMR still be obtained through mining now? 06:09:38 gug68hes very slowly 06:12:51 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/nope.chat/qKkvCkPAhzYScyRdUCNtqelo 06:13:00 Slowly but not if you have botnet 06:13:19 8 coins a day this hashrate produces from my calculations 06:13:26 (Not my screenshot) 06:14:26 How is this achievable? Some suoer computer with an AMD thread ripper? 06:14:35 How is this achievable? Some super computer with an AMD thread ripper? 06:16:45 Quantum computer 06:16:49 Just kidding 06:17:22 Idk, it is botnet using home pcs afaik 06:18:06 Idk, it is botnet out of home pcs afaik 06:18:18 Maybe 0.8 06:18:43 60k kh isnt getting you 8xmr per day 06:19:04 Or 0.08 06:19:20 No, it’s not 60 Khs it’s 60.000 khs 06:19:27 It’s 60mhs 06:20:01 Even that won’t get you 8xmr/day 06:20:24 Yea you will get it with 72mhs 24/7, my bad 06:20:42 But I guess this hashrate can achieve 5 xmr a day 06:21:58 But as we know botnet hashrate isn’t stable and looks like nanopool hashrate graph =) 06:22:07 Man i need some of this in my life.. 06:22:08 Old machine i could use is a 2013 amd Samsung laptop.. probably achievable os 0.000001 xmr per week 06:22:39 *SIGH* 06:23:47 Yea you see guy from screenshot hash 53k miners connected, maybe they all yield a little bit of hashrate but all together it’s a huge number 06:23:54 A lot of stale shares there 06:24:08 A good peace of monerooceans pool whole hashrate 06:24:18 Yea I told this guy the same 06:24:33 Told him to lower diff but I think it didn’t helped him 06:25:12 Lowering diff wont change anything 06:25:18 Probably make it worse 06:25:38 So what would help him get less stale shares? 06:25:51 solomine instead of directing it to a pool 06:26:25 In some countries it is not possible to avoid KYC. NO-KYC services don't buy crypto. So when you want to sell, you have to go to a KYC enabled CEX and you are marked as a suspicious account as your crypto cannot be traced back to a KYC completed source. 06:26:26 Haveno, Bisq etc. do not have many currencies and they are also not easy to use. As of now, in most countries the easiest way to convert fiat-crypto and vice versa are centralized exchanges like Binance. 06:26:42 to submit the shares directly to the node + And using the full difficulty to lower the latency of sending new jobs often 06:27:39 Use haveno / bisq when you want to sell 🤯 06:28:51 There will never be liquidity if you all just make excuses to avoid using the services. 06:28:52 I have not used a kyc cex in at least 2 years, maybe 4 or 5 06:29:57 Even though i technically can, i get much higher value for my xmr if i sell on not-a-cex 06:30:36 Just as an off ramp? 06:31:54 There is a reason why there is no liquidity on these exchanges in India. If I sell on these exchanges, the very next day my bank account will be frozen. Other payment methods like cash by mail are not really very desirable. 06:32:32 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Is there some effective way to make a monero node to output a message in the user's wallet? i want to insult people who try to connect to my node via clearnet 06:32:52 Do you purchase, for example, LTC to trade for XMR - or do you buy XMR by other methods. 06:32:52 Im genuinely interested as i would love to learn how to move away from CEX even though it is for LTC purchase 06:33:55 The reason is ppl doing cash txs don’t use dex, go find a local crypto dealer 06:34:07 Can you not password a clearnet monero node? 06:35:09 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Are you asking me to remove password from my current tor-only node or are you suggesting to insult people via the password prompt? 06:36:27 Well, I have some reliable traders that I trade with. I identified them on centralized exchanges and connected with them on WhatsApp. Initially I had to use CEX. 06:37:10 Sounds like u have a problem w dealing with shit ppl 06:37:54 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> > trades monero via chat that has flawed E2EE encryption 06:37:54 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> why not just use bitcoin at that point 06:38:05 why you don't want ppl to use clearnet version of your node? 06:38:11 Bcoz taint is risky 06:39:10 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> I recommend SimpleX-only via a lineageOS phone without google services with invizible from neostore that makes sure that simplex is not routing traffic via clearweb and disable link previews as it leaks IPs 06:39:33 Haha i am just wondering if it is possible to password your clear net node? 06:39:34 Therefore, not having randoms connect to your node, as well as not having to insult anyone for doing so 😅 06:40:19 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> i want to provide a non-functioning node that spreads awareness about the stuff i have mentioned in the README of nixium https://github.com/arcanyx-org/nixium?tab=readme-ov-file#monero-node so that people don't end up vulnerable to chainlysis deanonymization attacks 06:40:41 Ya, simplex leaking via link previews is sus 06:40:43 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> you can password a node yes 06:40:45 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> but mine is a public service 06:41:10 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> it's not simplex it's anroid webview and no good way to fix it reliably 06:41:12 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> *android 06:41:29 Its simplex 06:41:42 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> thus lineageOS and making sure you use sane webview that respects tor 06:42:00 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> if you don't like upstream then run your own server 06:42:03 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> or contribute that to nixos and imma deploy that for you 06:42:04 it's true but checking balance is safe using spy node, only sending using spy node is vulnerable 06:42:20 Can do link previews like element - load the preview on the server 06:42:36 So i am assuming a public node can not be protected with a password, to allow people of your choice to be able to connect? 06:42:38 Apologizes for the questions.. I'm here to learn! 06:42:52 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> i don't consider anything safe on compromised node and encourage people to run their own node instead, but it's not an option for everyone thus why i provide it publicly 06:43:11 The issue is that the link preview bypasses the socks proxy. Even my twitter link previews dont 06:43:27 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> public node can be protected with password here is a configuration including the tor-only settings go host one yourself: https://github.com/Arcanyx-org/NiXium/blob/central/src/nixos/machines/mracek/services/monero.nix 06:43:37 1 password rules all of the rpc endpoints 06:43:59 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> inviziblePro/webview bug not much simplex can do about it and they document this being an issue 06:44:16 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> you can try to patch it but it's kinda weak way of fixing this issue 06:45:18 I have saved your link for a read in the not too distant future. 06:45:18 Thank you for the source. 06:45:48 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> feel free to ask anything relevant i do my best to answer 06:46:01 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> if you find an issue in my config then also please let me know so that i can fix it, that node is used by a lot of people 06:47:05 If i force simplex over tor using inviz, it includes link previews afaik 06:47:34 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> no, invizible doesn't handles that well i should mention that in the readme 06:47:37 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and file a bug 06:48:15 Im afraid I won't be much help in regards to finding issues in the config. 06:48:16 Unfortunately i'm not as clued up as you guys and i am doing my best to educate myself with the help of this channel. 06:53:26 <5m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> the link previews bypass the inviziblepro setting as it's doing the link previews via webview and android is stupid and doesn't respect it's own implementation for proxy 12:40:50 hi 14:32:43 Random question here. 14:32:44 Old device is kaput, luckily got a spare. 14:32:46 When I sign in it tells me 'unable to verify device - you won't be able to access encrypted message history. Reset your secure message backup and verification keys to start fresh' 14:32:48 I done this many many moons ago and ended up with a green shield. Now I never ever see anyone else with a green shield (to show verified device) 14:32:50 Does no one really back up keys or what ever? 14:44:09 <17lifers:matrix.org> nope, aint bothering juggling with keys lol 14:46:49 You should be using a server-side backup secured with what is called a "recovery key" in the Matrix specification (historically also "security key" or "security phrase"). This keeps an encrypted copy of a session key on the server, only decryptable with the recovery key. 14:47:39 The reason you don't see anyone with a green shield is because you need to re-verify them, because your new session wasn't able I believe authorised by a previous existing session (either your old device or the recovery key). 14:47:58 The reason you don't see anyone with a green shield is because you need to re-verify them, because your new session wasn't able to be authorised (cross-signed) by a previous existing session (either your old device or the recovery key). 14:48:22 You should be using a server-side backup secured with what is called a "recovery key" in the Matrix specification (historically also "security key" or "security phrase"). This keeps an encrypted copy of a session key on the homeserver, only decryptable with the recovery key. 20:33:57 hello 20:34:38 I've downloaded Haveno (reto swap), and tried to buy Monero 20:34:58 but it wants me to deposit Monero to buy Monero?!?! Which defeats the whole purpose?? 20:35:13 What am I doing/thinking wrongly here lol? 20:35:52 afaik you can make a safety deposit with PayPal or sepa, right? 20:36:37 I only want to buy about $20 worth. I want to make a completely anonymous donation to something 20:40:09 it feels like i'm being slowed down or pushed back 20:40:14 at every stage 20:43:12 yeah that why the "get your first monero" room exists 🙃 20:44:44 afaik haveno now supports small amounts without deposit. With higher risk sellers may tale higher fees, so its better to hold on to some 20:45:11 the software isn't very intuative, it wants me to specify the amount BOTH in XMR and GBP simultaneously 20:45:19 shouldn't it be one or the other? 20:51:20 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/RZHtmQDZBMrOoCRRcIIvKKpa 20:51:42 its indicating it has to be in XMR, not FIAT 20:51:49 (i.e., the deposit) 20:52:04 i'm trying to buy 20:58:10 https://docs.haveno.exchange/haveno-ui/no_deposit 21:02:17 It doesn't defeat the purpose (acquiring Monero anonymously). It facilitates the prupose (doing so without considerable risk to either party, by requiring you to stake some funds as collateral in case you or your trade partner decides to run away without completing the trade). 21:02:18 But yes, it's a non-starter for people wanting to get their first little bit of Monero. Bisq (for Bitcoin) works the same way. Bisq 2 has a mode called "Bisq Easy" which allows traders to accept trades without their trade partner needing any trade reputation first. Haveno has something equivalent, called "no deposit" trades, but likewise, it has to be something the seller is expli 21:02:20 cilty okay with / enables. 21:02:36 It doesn't defeat the purpose (acquiring Monero anonymously). It facilitates the purpose (doing so without considerable risk to either party, by requiring you to stake some funds as collateral in case you or your trade partner decides to run away without completing the trade). 21:02:36 But yes, it's a non-starter for people wanting to get their first little bit of Monero. Bisq (for Bitcoin) works the same way. Bisq 2 has a mode called "Bisq Easy" which allows traders to accept trades without their trade partner needing any trade reputation first. Haveno has something equivalent, called "no deposit" trades, but likewise, it has to be something the seller is expli 21:02:38 cilty okay with / enables. 21:02:45 It doesn't defeat the purpose (acquiring Monero anonymously). It facilitates the purpose (doing so without considerable risk to either party, by requiring you both to stake some funds as collateral in case you or your trade partner decides to run away without completing the trade). 21:02:46 But yes, it's a non-starter for people wanting to get their first little bit of Monero. Bisq (for Bitcoin) works the same way. Bisq 2 has a mode called "Bisq Easy" which allows traders to accept trades without their trade partner needing any trade reputation first. Haveno has something equivalent, called "no deposit" trades, but likewise, it has to be something the seller is expli 21:02:48 cilty okay with / enables. 21:02:59 rip irc with matrix edits lol 21:03:05 Haha 21:03:10 okay Jivan thanks 21:04:31 sellers need to start offering smaller amounts 21:04:41 Unfortunately, this is just the state of things these days, since regulation has crept in more and more over the years. About 10 years ago, it used to be easier. LocalBitcoins only started requiring KYC in 2018 or 2019, I believe; I certainly used it before that without needing to provide ID. 21:04:55 Similarly, cryptocurrency ATMs don't exist in the UK anymore, due to local regulations. 21:05:12 LocalMonero was good, but is now shutdown (voluntarily by the creator). 21:05:52 Its a shame, because making a little £20 donation to something is how someone like me begins using it more. I.E., get my feet wet 21:06:36 my plan was: FIAT > Monero > Eth/Sol (or something low fee) 21:06:57 see https://trocador.app/ 21:06:58 with the first part facilitated by Haveno 21:08:09 Robosats is another decent option, but like Bisq, it's Bitcoin-only in principle, so you have to use Bitcoin as a go-between if you want Monero. People there will let you buy/sell Bitcoin for Monero, so you don't have to go off-platform for that part. 21:08:31 yeah but for a £20 donation i'd be spending $70 in fees 21:08:46 Haha, wouldn't be that high, but I appreciate the sentiment 21:09:04 on BTC? these days? its quite high 21:09:10