00:00:51 if you have btc, unstoppableswap. 00:01:25 if you're on an exchange that doesn't have monero due to legal resitrictions, you can always just buy litecoin and then exchange litecoin for monero on trocador (trocador.app) or tradeogre (tradeogre.com). There are other methods that are more decentralized, but they are more complicated. 00:02:09 have you tried haveno/retoswap? I still don't know which is an instance of which 00:05:18 @m-relay:monero.social: I think retoswap is an instance of haveno 00:17:20 Thank you 00:21:07 Bitpap is not safe? 00:21:33 Bitpapa* 00:35:18 retoswap is your best bet 01:06:43 Naive question, but there seemed to be a rough start with haveno/retoswap. I have since avoided until the kewbit scam stuff conclusively calmed down without a reasonable doubt 01:07:47 Is there potential for haveno/reto scammery? or is it becoming as safe localmonero use to be? 01:35:40 kewbit never scammed anything from the reto network. it was from ccs that they stole from 01:37:09 not aware of a "rought start" really. started like any non-fabricated exchange starts. person by person. it's probably safer than localmonero because it's not centralised. 02:08:55 kewbit never scammed anything from the reto network. it was from ccs that they stole from << he slandered the network and tried to sell them haveno.com for 10k 02:09:30 though, I think oftenfaded is referring to haveno aloha (kewbit's network) 02:10:40 <321bob321:monero.social> Cheap 04:10:15 I’m so much confused some people say bisq some say cake. I opened AppStore there are two apps for cake: 04:10:16 Which one is easier and what’s the difference 04:12:46 cake wallet and monero.com? 04:16:11 https://www.themoneromoon.com/p/the-monero-moon-issue-80 04:17:00 Monero moon newsletter, issue 80 👍 04:19:42 monero really mooned :) 04:19:49 Please change this to Bitcoin moon newsletter for issue 81 👍️ 04:20:21 Bitcoin mooned. Monero is temporarily mooning due to FAKE VOLUME from hackers 04:22:03 It will go to 0 like @lordx3nu:matrix.org's darknet maximalism series. No one will watch your videos or buy the tshirts. 0 views we are shutting it down FAKE CYPHERPUNK 04:22:52 retarded cop ^^^ 04:24:47 You're a hypocrite, aren't you? You claim to despise authority, but you're relying on the very systems you criticize. Who built the internet, hmm? The same governments you rail against. Cops keep us safe, and taxes fund our public services including clean water 04:25:00 retarded cops is retarded 04:25:10 cop even 04:25:19 Bitcoin is better for paying taxes. People can hide their view keys with Monero. We need to pay taxes to fund important infrastucture 04:28:00 of course the only reason bitcoin has any value is because it can't be counterfeited by government 04:28:15 something the retarded cop can't even begin to grasp 04:29:24 Instead of the government, you get counterfeited by Bitcoin core 04:30:34 lawl - this is way beyond full retard 04:38:00 You don't get it 06:23:22 I am banned in Monero pools, any refuge? 06:23:45 And I saw Monero At highs so came to visit after years 06:24:24 monero-pools moved to Rizon. 06:25:56 Educate me what is Rizon 06:26:22 Yeah got it 07:11:31 Monero is not the next Bitcoin. While Bitcoin was criticized by governments early on, it was never banned outright from exchanges. If Monero continues to become popular, do not be surprised if governments ban its use entirely, similar to what happened with the Swiss bank privacy regulation laws. 07:11:32 I think the EU is already preparing to ban all anonymous cryptocurrencies in 2027, which includes Monero. You need to consider this immense risk. Are you willing to use Monero if it becomes illegal? 07:11:58 Oh Yeah 07:12:47 See in India, due to 30% tax laws, most of us do P2P trades for onramp and offramp which is Illegal but being done like a childsplay 07:13:20 P2P for cash? 07:14:24 Yes 07:14:56 Bank Freezes, Tax Notices all part of the risky game 07:43:22 The EU is not banning any cryptocurrency outright, simply making it illegal for regulated entities to deal with anonymous accounts and privacy coins. Monero will continue to operate as usual. I wonder why this BS keeps on being repeated over and over. 07:46:04 Give him an inch and he'll take a mile 08:21:10 Clickbait and people that only read headlines, that's why 08:21:47 But it does set precedent and it can (and probably will) scale to a bigger ban in the future (not that I care though, good luck banning it, Lagarde) 09:10:18 Hi all, I was wondering if there is any marketplace on which people pay for services and products in Monero 09:11:01 https://xmrbazaar.com 09:11:02 https://monerica.com 09:11:04 https://kycnot.me 15:56:10 #p2pool 15:56:52 I have around 40k hashrate, I used to get several rewards a day, now effort is so high got only 1 within 24hours or so 15:57:07 https://mini.p2pool.observer 15:57:29 did I mess up something with my config or just thats what goint on now 15:58:12 --wallet "${WALLET}" --stratum "0.0.0.0:3333" --p2p "0.0.0.0:37888" --rpc-port "18081" --zmq-port "18084" --host "p2pmd.xmrvsbeast.com" --mini 16:09:30 Thats just life 16:21:44 no you did not mess up. The pool hashrate shot up , which means your average share time has also gone up. But your reward per share would also go up in this case. So you will be earning the same as before. Just the timming has changed with overall pool hashrate 16:21:57 Mining using a remote node 🐘 16:27:39 I had some problems with my local one, so for now I'm using remote one before sync is done 16:27:58 btw, any major issue with using remote p2pool node for mining? 16:53:11 How much you earn is based upon your percentage of the network hashrate 17:09:34 Using remote node = latency receiving txs and blocks, & trust 18:59:40 both feather & monero-gui-wallet are giving me this error, on a tx that should only be about 10 inputs: 18:59:49 Error 18:59:51 Can't create transaction: RPC error: /Users/administrator/dev/monero-gui/ monero/src/wallet/wallet2.cpp:8806:N5tools5error23get_output_distributionE: 18:59:53 failed to get output distribution, Aquest = Daemon reports suspicious number 18:59:55 of rct outputs 19:07:01 Maybe your node is only partly synced. 19:16:56 are ya I song a remote node 19:17:06 Using* 19:21:46 the node is local and fully synced 19:22:27 the outputs are probably about 4 years old if that matters 19:30:35 This message means "you are trying to spend an output which is the Nth of that amount on chain, but the node claims there are fewer than N outputs of that amount on chain, which means your output is not on chain, so wtf". 19:31:58 If you can build your own binaries, you can try to log the output it's trying to spend, and the response from the node. 19:32:13 Maybe one (or even both) will look obviously wrong. 19:33:52 Something like https://paste.debian.net/hidden/7fc0bb11/ (not compiled). 19:33:58 I am so confused between cake and bisq. Which one is easier and why there is two wallets for cake from different vendors on App Store 19:35:06 Cake wallet is a wallet software that can use monero. Bisq is an exchange (which maybe supports monero, not sure, but haveno is a bisq fork that does for sure). They're differnet types of things. 19:35:36 Cake wallet has two wallets, one called "monero.com" for asshole reasons because they are squatting monero.com. 19:35:44 And the other is still called cake wallet. 19:36:13 They're basically impersonating while claiming they're not because they added a disclaimer after I complained. 19:36:34 AFAIK the "cake" branded one supports many currencies. There might be other differences. 19:38:58 Actually, if from differnet vendors, maybe one is an actual scam. There are fake scam wallets from time to time in various places.\ 19:39:19 Cake themselves haven't scammed so far, despite the scummy squatting. 19:39:30 Cake impersonators probably will. 19:40:11 Other known good mobile wallets include Feather and monerujo. There might be others. 19:41:06 feather is desktop only. Right, bisq is a bitcoin oriented exchange, not a monero wallet. Also desktop only 19:41:46 Stack Wallet is great 19:41:54 If there are 2 "cake wallets", only 1 of them is real. Real one should have a vendor like cakelabs 19:41:56 underappreciated imo 19:43:07 Oh, sorry. Thanks for the feather correction. 20:06:32 how much space does full node take these days? 20:06:50 havent ran a node for long time since i dont have spare space :( 20:10:32 95gb pruned 20:11:08 About 225gb full 20:11:21 thanks :P 20:29:49 what happened to #monero-pools 20:32:37 I’m still confused which one is easier to get monero cake or bisq . 20:32:38 And monero.com they are real scammers or just copy the project .. 20:33:56 milas900 "They're differnet types of things" 20:34:01 you cannot compare the two 20:37:21 milas, monero.com aren't "scammers" in the first sense of the word 20:37:38 Yes I know it’s different but if u can explain. So cake is just a wallet and bisq has back end centralized exchanges ? Which one is easier to get xmr 20:37:44 moneromoo just expressed his anger against the squatting of the monero.com domain. Monero.com is a monero only wallet that is maintained by the same team as Cake Wallet 20:37:49 It's literally the same person behind 20:38:07 So what is scummy squatting and impersonating not sure if I get it correctly 20:39:01 moneromooo is just very unhappy about monero.com website being owned by Cake Wallet and it redirecting to therefore their monero-only wallet, called "Monero.com". 20:39:16 That's what he calls impersonating 20:39:37 At the very beginning, people were falling in and there were no mentions that monero.com was NOT the monero website 20:39:44 the real monero website is getmonero.org 20:41:04 CAn you help me to understand this 20:41:20 What’s the easiest way to get xmr bisq or cake 20:41:21 bisq is not centralized AFAIK. It's a p2p exhchange. 20:41:45 yes Bisq is P2P 20:41:50 it's not centralized 20:42:27 Cake Wallet incorporated in their wallet some partners on-ramp (meaning exchanges that take fiat and give crypto) 20:42:29 And cake then has backend centralized exchange right ? 20:42:41 they don't have their own backend 20:42:54 you just have quick access to their partners in the wallet app 20:43:04 DFX for example 20:43:15 So cake is more centralized less scams ? 20:43:27 Which one is easier to get xmr 20:43:34 Definitely Cake 20:43:44 Bisq is light years away from being usable from newbies yet 20:43:53 So the partner is a cex right ? 20:43:58 Exactly 20:44:17 It means they will request some informations about you depending on their policy and the amounts 20:44:37 So cake asks for kyc ? 20:44:41 Ugh. Do they do that *before* you send money ? 20:45:11 From what I understood yes 20:45:24 depends on which on-ramp you take and which amount you ask 20:45:36 like I think DFX don't ask for KYC below 1000€ 20:46:08 you would need to check in the app yourself ngl 20:46:15 DFX is what ? 20:46:23 Swiss fiat on-ramp 20:46:34 basically a CEX that only sell crypto for fiat 20:46:45 Is bisq like local monero website which shut down ? 20:46:53 no 20:46:54 bisq is decentralized. 20:46:56 i mean 20:46:57 yes 20:47:04 so, kinda ? :D 20:47:07 Bisq is Peer to Peer, you will exchange from People to People 20:47:12 like localmonero 20:47:18 but it's also a dedicated software 20:47:30 that runs on Tor and have its rules 20:47:41 Yes so they shutdown localmonero but bisq pop up 20:47:52 If you are looking for buying Monero anonymously you would prefer to use Retoswap, which is a fork of Bisq that is focused on monero 20:47:59 But bisq the idea is tor and software that’s the extra right ? 20:47:59 bisq is pretty old, they changed names. 20:48:01 actually Bisq existed before localmonero 20:48:13 bitsquare was it ? Not sure... 20:48:29 yeah idk ngl 20:48:40 yeah idk their old name ngl 20:49:01 So is it safe to buy in bisq ? 20:49:03 Retoswap aka Haveno, is Bisq but focused on monero. There are plenty of buyers and sellers 20:50:02 From what I got from this conversation, I'll be honest it seems to me you lack enough knowledge to adventure yourself into Bisq 20:50:15 It can be unsafe if you don't know what you do 20:50:47 Yes that’s why I asked seems an adventure. I want to do it not for sake of monero for sake of adventure 20:51:13 But bank is always involved in bisq?? 20:51:48 No, people there can do p2p cash too, for example. 20:52:04 So need to meet in person ? 20:52:10 you can pay per cash in mail, face to face, giftcards, and also via banktransfer, i afaik there are a bunch of others. 20:52:24 Nice nick ^ 20:52:35 Oh got it with escrow inside so this part seems like local monero 20:52:47 disclaimer on cash in mail, some countries are listed but actually prohibits it 20:53:27 Call it mail-in cash then. It sounds like the opposite, so should be allowed :D 20:53:29 Now another question is seed enough to recover wallet ? 20:53:34 Yes. 20:53:37 Or need block height 20:53:52 Block height is just to make recovery faster. 20:54:02 You absolutely need the seed 20:54:03 Just the words that’s it ? 20:54:07 the seed is the only for you to recover the wallet 20:54:08 Yes. 20:54:19 yeah exactly 20:54:21 25 words 20:54:27 or 16 words 20:54:37 depends, mobile wallets these days are using 16 words 20:54:48 Haveno is still using 25 words 20:54:52 or 24 idr 20:55:03 anyway, remember to note the words 20:55:11 24 is really really old, unlikely. 20:55:18 I just checked seems monero.com up till 1000 no need kyc but how about monero labs 20:55:20 They are different wallets may I confirm 20:55:31 moneromooo haveno is derivating the master key differently 20:55:38 Note that anyone with those words can get the monero and run, so keep those words very very secret. 20:55:52 Ah. I did not know, thanks. 20:56:14 or else you'll end up like bitcoiners with your fingers chop chop somewhere in the middle of France. 20:56:26 Of course these risks are basics 20:56:47 If only Coinbase understood this 20:57:55 Master key is the public key or address ? 20:57:55 "Coinbase will supply 2 (two) fingers free of charge to any customer supplying proof of amputation" 20:57:56 Addresses are public keys. You meant private key 20:58:16 What’s the different between haveno and retroswap 20:58:43 Addresses are public keys with some extra stuff I think. But what is the master key ? 20:59:00 haveno is software. retoswap is a trading network. you want retoswap 20:59:10 Haveno is the software. It still needs arbitrators and a minimal infrastructure to work. So when it was released a group called "Reto" engaged in such, they called it RetoSwap 20:59:34 yeah like NorrinRadd said, you want RetoSwap 21:00:25 Getmonero website doesn’t list them 21:00:39 getmonero website is fucking outdated 21:00:56 But it’s a point of trust 21:01:07 Raise a ticket there 21:01:14 i feel your pain 21:01:16 LMAO 21:01:19 ofrnAI: 21:01:21 ofrnxmr: 21:02:08 💀 21:02:30 It’s a big pain . Monero community like efficiency and abbreviations. Use cake everyone shouts then u find 2 cakes and till now I don’t get the difference 21:03:11 Screenshot 21:03:14 Objective difference between Monero.com: 21:03:14 Cake Wallet: it's Cake Wallet, nothing to say about it. 21:03:16 Monero.com: It's a Cake Wallet variant that only supports Bitcoin & Monero. 21:03:45 They said "lists 2 cake wallets" 21:04:07 And none of them listed in get monero website hha 21:04:10 milas900 both of those do monero. a layman probably wouldn't notice the difference 21:04:16 Monero.com isnt cake wallet 21:04:17 So idk what they're talking about 21:04:33 Show me these "2 cake wallets" please. I dont have an iphone 21:04:57 Both monero.com _is_ listed on getmonero 21:05:17 monero.com _is_ listed on getmonero 21:05:23 Sadly. 21:06:29 ofrn is confused enough like that 21:06:31 Just update the website to have the cake wallet and not sure what is retroswap 21:06:32 https://www.getmonero.org/community/merchants/ 21:06:51 Yeah about that... 21:06:57 getmonero.org/downloads 21:07:20 Wallets are on downloads page, not "merchants" 21:07:40 In iPhone when u type cake wallet u recieve 21:07:40 Cake wallet by monero.com 21:07:42 Cake wallet by cake labs 21:08:02 But u bisq is a merchant ? 21:08:20 But bisq is a merchant ? 21:08:29 Show screenshot 21:08:39 Of iphone search 21:08:52 try not to dox yourself lmao 21:08:58