00:34:24 ok, thx for filling me in... paid only for a proposal, huh? 02:49:54 Added $10k to my short 02:50:21 Retarded devs, community, and coin. I love making free money from retards 02:51:30 If Monero struggles to keep up with all this CCS drama from a small community, I doubt it could handle the chaos of reaching even 10% of Bitcoin's size. This criminal coin is toast 03:00:14 xmrto0 - good - now kill yourself 03:04:11 Criminal 03:04:46 What's wrong with being a criminal 03:05:42 Also,who's struggling with drama 03:06:19 Thanks for proving my point 03:06:58 Sir, that's a spoon 03:08:45 Real criminals dont even know what monero is 03:09:23 xenu created the whole darknet maximalist manifesto. You guys are finally admitting Monero is a total lost cause 03:09:51 Monero is not fungible if the act of using it makes you a criminal 03:12:01 shoo, get back under your bridge 03:12:05 still cant tell me what the problem is with being a criminal 03:30:52 Did someone engage boomer mode? "You want financial privacy? Whawhawhaawhaaaa?! CRIMINAL SCUM!" Fucking dork ass niggas. 03:32:29 xmrto0: Please brandish your last 10 year's financial transaction history. Dates, times, locations, amounts are all required, as are funding sources. Since you're Dr. Good Boy and tooootally not a criminal, this should be run of the mill for you. 03:33:09 * applesrock smells a big mad lil' guy. 03:35:44 Is this guy like the Monero version of a /r/Buttcoin-er? 03:58:10 Did you see anywhere where there was a request for payment? You said you read the log 05:06:50 anyone know reason for massive xmr correction today? down almost 10% in 24hrs... 05:06:51 and best place to get up to date monero alpha? tend to use 'cryptopanic' for bitcoin news... not much on there for monero it seems.. 05:08:23 looks like they slammed the door on you (closed ticket) after a 2 week wait, IDK 05:08:46 2 months 05:09:04 I didn't read the chat log very carefully, I was looking for code that wasn't licensed but didn't see anything 05:09:15 I only saw a proposal and the chat log after their meeting (?) 05:09:55 could you just copy your proposal-PR and put a license on it and re-open a request? 05:11:24 All proposals are for permissivelh licensed work. That’s in the rules. It’s a given. 05:11:32 All proposals are for permissively licensed work. That’s in the rules. It’s a given. 05:12:37 IDK if they closed it because of that I am just observing and commenting 05:13:44 I didn't see anything on gitlab like a reason to close or feedback or anything. I saw plowsof quote rule 4 "All work must be licensed permissively at all stages of the proposal. " and close without saying anything else 05:14:04 I didn't see anything else on gitlab like a reason to close or feedback or anything. I saw plowsof quote rule 4 "All work must be licensed permissively at all stages of the proposal. " and close without saying anything else 05:14:10 I didn't see anything else on gitlab like another reason to close or feedback or anything. I saw plowsof quote rule 4 "All work must be licensed permissively at all stages of the proposal. " and close without saying anything else 05:17:44 jeffro was asking for more details 2 weeks ago and you updated, so 2 weeks since the last on-repo changes 05:19:39 The meeting is every 2 weeks. Proposal was filed April 1st. So every two weeks since then, there was no issue with the proposal. Then a sudden close on May 24th. 05:20:53 The full rule reads: “All work must be licensed permissively at all stages of the proposal. There is no time where your work can be licensed under a restrictive license (even as you're working on it). Your proposal will be terminated if this is not remedied.” 05:20:55 There is no restrictive license. 05:20:57 does look that way to me 05:21:07 (the sudden close) 05:27:38 There is no released work. No restrictive license. 05:27:39 Something else is going on. 05:27:41 For whatever reason, there was a desire to close it. Therefore an excuse had to be found, and found it was. 05:57:41 Did you write code yet? or just the proposal? 06:21:18 I read " I’m being extorted for my WIP." 06:21:51 Is there a work in progress? where is it? Can I look at it? 06:24:03 Was told on the 10th that the work had to be open source or proposal should be closed 06:30:19 Theres no extortion. You think, in your own worda, ccs's purpose is to pay people to open source their code. You're wrong, and thinking this is why youre in this position. CCS bribe you to release code. CCS doesnt pay you, community members do 06:37:12 Anyway, all the whining is just digging a bigger hole. This isnt like "give us code and we'll merge", its "no code, no discussion. Ineligible". At this point, due to your inability to take responsibility + 9hrs of temper tantrums, code or no code, there's essentially 0 chance of merge. 06:37:13 No extortion, its over. Move on 11:03:22 I must be losing my mind, I thought the mobile Haveno guy was the one trying to ship AI slop code but now I find there was no code at all! 11:32:42 there are 3 people actually. aremor, which either illegaly keep his source code closed or don't have code at all (more likely), atsamd21 which is steadily developing the C# mobile app quietly (pretty based thx for your efforts), and the other guy i forgot who is making ai slop with Claude 11:32:58 btw I'm getting persuaded that aremor is Kewbit 11:33:54 btw I'm persuaded that aremor is Kewbit 11:34:26 Yeah i'm staying out of the drama but repo is here: https://github.com/atsamd21/Haveno-app 11:58:00 i think we have to ask more questions when people introduce their handful of alts people barely know 11:58:29 or mention being top 1% redditor in a dev proposal... there where signs ! 12:10:19 kewbit is near and dear to my heart, im not sure this is him - definitely acting like him running some kind of expose campaign on plowsof / the CCS - but im not sure... kewbit would never have let himself get downvoted on reddit. i think doubling down on 'ive been here since years and i've never seen this happen before' meanwhile you appear to have 12:10:19 been living under a rock during the kewbit situation is comical, the whole thing is just.. better to just move on, i have already apologised for extortion, i don't know what else i can do 13:00:46 Hi! Am pretty new to the whole crypto scene and wanted to ask a question regarding on how to best start using Monero. I've seen multiple Monero and privacy experts emphasize that the only private way to conduct Monero transactions these days is to run your own node as there is evidence that many chainanalysis companies run public Monero nodes. 13:00:53 Is this claim true? If it is, what other node hosting alternatives are there besides hosting from a Raspberry Pi? 13:04:17 you can run a node on virtually anything with ~100gb of disk space ('pruned' node). 13:05:05 That claim is partially true. 13:05:24 It is true that various parties are running spy nodes. 13:06:07 However, they can't get all the data about your transactions even if you offload your node's work to them. 13:06:30 They don't get a destination wallet address, for example. Nor amounts sent or received. 13:07:05 They can get a fairly good idea about which outputs you're spending, and can usually tie your IP address to a particular tx (except if you use tor). 13:07:44 But monero is designed for you to run your own node. Similar to how you run your own tor daemon. 13:10:40 So even running a node from my laptop would be fine (if I have enough disk space)? 13:10:52 Sure. I do that. 13:11:18 * moneromooo is a totally average cow 13:11:56 Just make sure the chain is on a SSD, at least for the initial sync. Spinning disks are horrendously slow for this. 13:12:20 Will do! And thank you! 13:12:55 And use --pruned-blockchain --sync-pruned-blocks if you want the 100 GB version, instead of the 300 GB version, as someone said above. 13:14:23 Is there a security or privacy tradeoff when using a pruned node? 13:15:02 Not really. If you use --sync-pruned-blocks there's a bit more, but both with and without are pretty much as safe. 13:15:06 Privacy, no change. 15:07:15 Nice on-ramp video for newbies to monero https://youtu.be/tYdaFbdDsGs it was somewhere? Idk how I missed it, also all info seems to be up-to-date 16:58:34 hey guys i have xmr missing after doing an exchange from btc using changelly. they say it has been sent and it is with my wallet but all synced etc. any ideas please? 17:00:31 Changelly stole it. No really, they are known for that. For many years already. 17:01:25 awww man thought so. i have used them several times before with no problems. does anyone recommend a valid exchange site please 17:01:54 https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/wiki/avoid/ 17:02:05 https://kycnot.me/ 17:03:33 thanks will have a look 18:08:46 Both 18:09:14 Was told on the 10th that nothing could be released. Nothing was released. Period. 18:11:02 No one else has ever been forced to submit the work BEFORE the proposal is considered. NEVER before. 18:11:03 So no, that is not the norm. “No code, no discussion” has NEVER existed before. NEVER. 18:13:47 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250510#c524692 18:14:05 Foss at all stages has existed for literally years 18:15:37 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-front/-/commits/master/how-to-ccs?ref_type=heads 18:16:12 https://monero.forex/is-monero-totally-private-a-comprehensive-analysis-of-de-anonymization-attacks-against-the-privacy-coin/ 18:17:33 ofrnxmr you don't get it - there is no code, only ideas in his brain, and plowsof is extorting these ideas. these ideas have been promised to be open sourced and he has many years of experience. never have we seen an extortion for THOUGHTS 18:18:49 THB i've learned ALOT about the so called 'CCS' system... i know whats really going on, i know why it happened. so sudden. ignorance is bliss! but no, i shall not stand by whilst tyrants run a muck! 18:19:27 Wrong link, sorry https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-front/-/commit/5bb4cafb3bce786546dfb56734a77d0c931fee13 18:19:29 aremor am i role playing you correctly 18:19:55 YOURE the one trying to "extort" ccs 18:20:19 "Merge my proposal or i won't foss it" 18:20:29 As if we give a fuck 18:20:55 OMG show me evidence of "it"????? EXACTLY. this is tyranny 18:21:34 "Never" ->> looks at initial commit 18:22:13 🎭 👏👏👏 18:22:23 FUK, kewbit, aremor 18:22:45 NEVER HAPPENED, FUK DOESNT EXIST 18:23:13 Hey, that's mean, that was waaaayyy back 18:23:34 So everyone ever before should have been forced to release their work before being approved. 18:23:35 EXCEPT THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. 18:23:54 Yeah, becauae THEY ALL RELEASE BEFORE APPROVED 18:23:59 he simply mentioned in passing that he MAY have pressed ctrl+s ? and all of a sudden plowsof decides to cancel the funding contract for 75% of the work???? HELLO PEOPLE. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 18:24:09 INCLUDING THE SLOP WERE GOING TO CLOSE W/O A MEETING 18:24:17 LMAO 18:58:13 I propose that for more security on Haveno related CCS, we ban Flutter entirely 18:58:43 For even more security, I propose we ban Zig too 18:58:56 and for the highest security possible, the only language allowed would be Rust 19:00:03 Which will probably reduce the number of proposals down to zero, achieving total security: No proposals, nothing goes wrong :) 19:02:02 🤣 19:05:42 Guys explain to me how have I works inside out 19:05:57 Guys explain to me how haveno works inside out 19:10:42 User A posts an offer to a network 19:11:16 User B see's the offer and sends a request to User A 19:11:17 User A sees the request and accepts it 19:11:54 User A (seller) sends XMR to a multisig wallet 19:12:17 User C is a mediator. User C has 1/3 keys to the wallet 19:12:48 User B has 1/3 keys, and User A had 1/3 keys 19:12:49 Your need 2/3 keys to spend from the multisig 19:14:34 User B sends whatever they are using to purchase xmr ($, bitcoin etc). 19:14:35 User A receives it. 19:14:37 User A signing the xmr release with their key 19:14:39 User B signs as well, User B gets XMR 19:15:56 If there is a problem, like User B does not send the dollars, then user C (mediator) is involved 19:15:57 User C investigates the trade, and issues penalties and/or payouts 19:16:45 This report was generated on 2025-05-28 19:16 19:21:58 When u say 1/3 does it mean that first the seller needs to upload or transfer to some wallet address. 19:21:59 If seller A has the Xmr to sell then he has the private key . I didn’t get the 1/3 how its achieved 19:42:23 1 of 3 keys 19:43:20 The funds are placed into a multisig wallet that can be spent from by using any 2 out of the 3 keys 19:43:52 Oh wtf 19:44:01 Maybe is it the bash 😭 20:09:16 And who picks the mediator ? 20:09:26 And what is the benefit of being the mediator ? 20:16:09 <321bob321:monero.social> Hand selected 20:17:27 the mediators are the admins of on the network 20:20:13 <321bob321:monero.social> The way they are chosen is similar to hunger games 20:58:01 Tbh we should just revert to abacuses; at least they aren’t vulnerable to Meltdown 20:58:34 “Back in my day, the admins picked the mediators” 20:59:08 This is always a good question to ask 21:56:24 money 21:56:31 always has been 21:56:51 always will be 21:58:40 Not if fees are set to zero 21:58:59 Then the only incentive is charity or fraud 21:59:02 fees are set to zero because they got sponsored 21:59:15 Wait by who? 21:59:23 Who’s footing the bill for Reto xD 22:00:12 > 💸 Zero trading fees until 2025-12-31 22:00:13 Thanks to a generous community member, trading on RetoSwap is currently 100% free - no hidden fees, nada. They will remain at zero until at least 2025-12-31. 22:00:15 not precised 22:01:01 plowsof (maybe you aren't the same plowsof who closed the issue?) - how can there at once be no code, and close the issue for the code being licensed wrong? 22:01:29 To me it only makes sense to submit a grant without code done (though devs will probably want to start hacking when they apply too) 22:02:16 if there was code, and it was licensed wrong, then I understand. 22:02:18 aremor claimed to have completed milestone 1, 2 and 3 22:02:24 so there is supposedly code 22:02:29 ah ok, 22:02:43 plowsof just joked about the fact that he most likely lied 22:02:51 and has in reality no code whatsoever 22:03:03 but they won't show it or it has a bad license. That's why I was asking to see it. I am trying to understand CCS as part of this scenario.. 22:03:13 both 22:03:18 to an extent 22:03:34 He won't show it AND AGPL license of haveno forces his haveno app to be AGPL 22:03:38 but isn't 22:03:53 by being closed source 22:04:06 but to be clear, submitting for funding to CCS, devs just submit a proposal. they don't have 'take home interview work' or something 22:04:34 im ESL wdym by 'take home interview work' 22:04:43 if that's true then absolutely shouldn't give any monero over, with a "trust me" from a dev who doesn't show 22:04:50 makes sense 22:05:40 oh, SyntheticBird from 2022 it's just like, when someone is looking for a job in software, some company will give work for the dev to do on their time, a problem to complete 22:05:52 and then they will look at the work and decide if they want to hire 22:05:55 this is controversial 22:06:28 I see 22:06:41 yeah they don't have such things to do 22:06:52 it's just a proposal being reviewed 22:07:07 because then a dev is doing work for free, and the company can take ideas from it without hiring, and related 22:07:14 obviously depending on the nature of the CCS there is some value judging going about your skills based on publicly available infos 22:07:34 Pov reCAPTCHA from google 22:07:43 yeah a CCS proposal is like 'I am this person with this experience, I want to do this job, you should give me this for it with these milestones' 22:07:49 You will train my AI to recognize the bikes in the image and you will be happy 22:08:10 great, thank you to explain 22:08:44 really internships are a big issue in some industries too 22:09:04 or apprenticeships, the old way, also maybe questionable 22:10:41 I guess my only question then is if the same story is from aremor - if they say they did have original work, where can we see it, if it exists? it should be very easy to see license if we can see it and clone it. 22:10:47 yeah i know someone who wanted experience quick and ended up being over exploited, he regretted it pretty quickly 22:11:11 He refused to be reveal the work 22:11:17 so we have no proof it even exist in the first place 22:12:09 if they just submitted an application but don't have code, then the close doesn't make sense. If they submitted the application, said trust me bro I have it just send the money, that is wrong, and the closing is correct. might be good to have a few more notes so people like me don't become confused tho 22:12:34 thank you for explaining 22:12:35 it make sense 22:12:46 because despite having no proof the author himself is claiming it exist 22:13:20 if they have a WIP without a funding agreement, that is their bad 22:13:31 with really any license 22:14:20 I like the policy of enforcing permissive license ! that is one reason I might want to try to develop some XMR related something someday 22:14:29 it is proper 22:24:13 probably a weird question, but it's possible to have a anonymous job and receive money with monero ? 22:24:38 i search a way to exit this shit gov, to be honest 22:25:26 and convert XMR into physical money 22:25:27 and convert XMR into physical money when i need 22:25:47 the government in my country are true asshole, it's why i ask that 22:26:13 and i want quit this country soon to another soon 22:26:37 and i want quit this country soon to another 22:31:52 If you find a good country let me know 22:33:47 For 5 xmr you can get your worst enemy erased from the surface of earth 22:33:57 So I guess some N amount of xmr can get you out of your shit gov easy 22:34:11 To move in another more monero-friendly country 22:35:34 yes 23:12:05 if someone have more information about, contact me in DMs please (in private) 23:14:28 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 23:14:50 i want to be free 23:15:05 fuck capitalist 23:15:28 fuck capitalists 23:17:53 i'm a pure nihilist anarchist 23:18:10 i'm a pure nihilist anarchist :) 23:23:55 I’m not that radical but yea freedom is better than not freedom, as they say 23:29:39 my country become really shit, and i'm very tired of that 23:30:17 i don't want to sell illegal stuff, all i want it's a good job on internet and receive money with monero 23:30:50 i want to be free, not a terrorist ^^" 23:31:59 and i prefer support good project and small enterprise, etc... i hate big corpo 23:32:16