00:07:26 Microsoft and Security... ^^" 00:13:19 but yes i know XP is old, but anyway most windows have security problems 00:13:42 The best windows is no windows 00:13:46 they always add shit features and don't fix bugs and security issues... 00:13:58 and MS-DOS :) 00:14:14 the firsr one is good, used by army too 00:14:21 the first one is good, used by army too 00:15:07 and MS-DOS don't have GUIs it's more like a linux terminal 00:15:15 I mean there is more modern convenient alternative now 00:15:22 I mean there is more modern convenient alternatives now 00:15:55 ah yes, for modern only Linux, BSD, Xen 00:16:18 and maybe some os i don't know 00:16:25 and maybe some OS i don't know 00:17:12 I choosed Fedora 00:21:44 secureblue can be a good option for you too 00:22:04 is not official, but it's a good project 03:24:20 Every developer has code. That’s what developers do. “Cypherpunks Write Code” - Eric Hughes (1993). 03:24:21 If it is an issue, then every single proposal has to release their test code prior to being approved. 03:24:23 Which never happens. Never has anyone been forced to do that. 03:25:37 AGPL applies to released software. 03:26:58 Except this one time 03:31:03 aremor: trying to understand, why did you do work when there was no funding in place? Did someone ask you to do this? 03:32:07 also, if you did work toward a milestone and wanted milestone payout, did you publish the code? 03:32:34 No one ever requested any money 03:33:14 is the CCS proposal not requesting money? Or are you saying you did not request money for a milestone? 03:35:49 Because I expected the proposal to be approved and I did not want to waste the weeks (actually months) not doing anything. Why waste time? I wanted the software out as soon as possible. 03:37:05 The latter. The proposal stage is an application, you get denied or approved. There’s no payment associated with filing a proposal. You don’t get paid to do it. It’s an application to do a project. 03:45:29 The desire to start work is understandable. 03:47:36 I do think if you were working and the proposal was still open it isn't a given you'd get funds. also if you are not sharing the code it does look like that's against the rule that code has to be open. 03:48:51 No one ever requested any funds 03:49:17 maybe someone doesn't understand 03:49:37 that you were not requesting a milestone 03:49:54 just tell them you don't have any code 03:50:34 You have a lot of people lying freely all over the place. I encourage everyone to read the logs. There’s no reason these lies should be believed when there are logs available to everyone. Every meeting ever is logged freely available. Going back 2 months. 03:53:10 Lies are not necessary. At least I don’t think so. 03:53:11 ALL developers write code. To demand someone’s personal items BEFORE there is an agreement reached is ridiculous. 03:53:13 And if that is the desire, then apply that requirement to everyone! But no, that’s not what’s happened. No one has ever had their work demanded prior to being approved before. So why this one time? It’s ridiculous. 03:56:34 I just don't understand why you made the _idea_ of your code public, without making the code public, when the agreement you were trying to sign up for included the idea of always making code public 03:56:58 why not just .. not say you had code 03:59:00 and for CCS, why not say a reason for why this work wasn't needed other than didn't share code during proposal stage? 03:59:25 they said you asked for a milestone payout, you aremor said you didn't 04:00:26 It’s proof positive of who these people are. Blatant liars. 04:00:51 so if I was going to spend more time on this I would like to see where the request for a milestone payout was, OR where aremore said they had closed code causing the close (because of rule 4) 04:01:19 so if I was going to spend more time on this I would like to see where the request for a milestone payout was, OR where aremore said they had closed code causing the proposal to be close (because of rule 4) 04:06:02 There was never any expectation of the proposal not moving forward and not being finished to completion. There was never any expectation of anything being closed source or not being permissively licensed. 04:06:03 Read the proposal. It literally says that. Rule 4 itself says that the software will be permissively licensed. Never was any of that ever disputed. 04:11:28 Read the meeting logs. There was never any concern about the project raised. Everyone understood clearly that the work was in the interest of completing the proposal. 04:11:29 Read the logs from the end of April. Everyone was happy about the work being in progress. 04:11:31 Suddenly in 05-24, closed without any warning, for work that we’ve been talking about for two months, suddenly isn’t allowed. WTF. everyone was happy about this. Now it’s wrong. Now the project is invalid. Out of nowhere. 04:11:33 Do I need to post the links to those meetings directly? 04:41:18 <321bob321:monero.social> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/CCxLOoUoOYqhjbtyIUfiGVOi 06:10:57 You are right I didn't scan back a month into chat logs. I have no power to change the outcome or CCS anything - but if you could show where you said you had code, and CCS people were happy and did not ask to see it, or said it was OK to not have an open license that would support some claims. I would expect with a proposal open that "expectation of the proposal moving forward and 06:10:57 being finished to completion" or not was still up to CCS 06:11:48 if you aremor can show how CCS led you to think your proposal would be approved and you were being encouraged to work that would be something 06:12:24 i don't even know what haveno is 07:37:15 chat log: plowsof:matrix.org - "aremor has completed milestones 1 , 2 , and 3 so far? but not yet open source" .. 2 lines later "aremor:matrix.org Yeah, demoed to Tuxsudo last week" 07:37:25 milestones 1+2+3 where done in approx 2 months iirc? 07:37:35 approximately 07:38:14 so aremor did claim to complete milestones, maybe did not ask for payout, but it seems implied here 07:39:14 about 20 min later, n1oc 07:39:15 [CCS Proposals] plowsoff closed merge request #570: Haveno App (Cross Platform) 07:40:57 Then should probably close every CCS. Every single CCS has work in progress code that is being worked on. 07:41:29 does CCS retroactively fund things? 07:42:18 better link monerologs directly than multi line messages 07:44:23 evidence does not matter, it only matters what aremor says happened / is happening, there is no point in saying otherwise. 07:46:42 now he must come back and respond to every comment you made showing how you dont understand / he is right and everyone has to read it again 07:51:15 <321bob321:monero.social> we've made it 07:51:17 <321bob321:monero.social> https://youtu.be/WSsRVuAmtIY 07:51:41 <321bob321:monero.social> looks like fabio too 08:00:28 <321bob321:monero.social> at least rb and jeffro are famous now 08:00:47 <321bob321:monero.social> and luke 08:00:50 reg fcmp++ : "incase it wasn't clear enough 2 years from 2023, is this year" 😳 😬 08:02:03 <321bob321:monero.social> there was a swipe at sgp too lol 08:06:20 the script is pretty good on that video 09:03:19 I'm surprised they talk about Monero given they are now based in Dubai.... And I doubt they do not hold XMR given they said in a previous video that not did Guy hold some but that he also mined some, oh and they are based in Dubai so I really doubt they do not hold any :-) 09:14:17 they could sell it all, make the video, and then buy it back 09:14:23 that's halal 09:19:58 that's lolol 10:02:48 Is the Haveno Android app using Reto or another network? I install the beta but theres only 2 offers there. Is it usable already? 10:03:09 Is the Haveno Android app using Reto or another network? I installed the beta but there are only 2 offers there. Is it usable already? 10:08:39 I need to onboard a guy onto buying xmr and hes interested in using Haveno so Im wondering whether to teach him to use the desktop app or if the android app is usable even though it is still WIP 10:10:36 https://retoswap.com/ 10:11:47 https://matrix.to/#/#haveno:monero.social 10:12:04 For now just use the desktop version 10:13:08 also just in case: haveno dot com is a scam site 11:27:14 Is it ? This one I was looking for . Which one is real 11:35:00 retoswap.com is a mainnet instance of Haveno.exchange 11:41:46 not official tho by the dev! 11:56:05 https://i.ibb.co/G3NrzFG4/meme5.png 13:04:40 Telegram xmr wallet is bad idea 13:06:47 Telegram is not a privacy respecting app , 13:06:47 building an xmr wallet using telegram mini app would also make it highly dependent on telegram infrastructure. 13:07:00 I am not sure who wants it 13:07:40 Total funding 100 xmr lol 13:11:05 I don’t see such proposal in bounties or ccs, where is it? 13:12:01 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/587 13:13:32 Whoops i saw the OP even closed the proposal 😅 13:14:02 I was just reading is on monero observer issue 13:24:26 I somehow believe monero telegram wallet can be beneficial, not very secure but beneficial, because if we take a look at the most popular wallet bot in telegram cryptobot a.k.a @wallet it will be obvious that this is trash due to inadequate withdrawal commissions and no monero in it 13:26:08 It’s not implied 13:28:54 Imo cryptobot is popular because some people create “checks” with some amount of coins and throw it in chats or to friends, receivers press a button and receive coins, also cryptobot maybe popular because of built-in p2p 13:28:55 I would say telegram bot can’t be seriously used as a wallet, but these checks features and easy access can be beneficial 13:32:18 🇺🇦 Fuck you Russian 🖕 13:34:04 moonmanxmr: I’m Uzbekistanian 13:34:08 God bless Ukraine 13:34:14 Sorry for offtopic 13:34:44 Okay, sorry - I just know that Telegram is a popular messaging app that supports Russia 13:39:03 One example. I think there are more going further back. https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250426#c521074 13:42:49 Mentioned on April 12th that exploration had already taken place. 13:42:51 As any sane person would do. I’m not going to propose something that I don’t know I’m capable of - https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250412#c518159 13:44:09 The reply? “plowsof 13:44:09 do not down play your vibe skills” imprevisto --- {SO_KEEPALIVE} 💀ﮩ٨ـﮩﮩ٨ـ♡ﮩ٨ـﮩﮩ٨… 13:44:31 This cancellation is complete bullshit 13:46:50 April 12th - Agreement that NOTHING THIS PAID UNTIL CODE IS SUBMITTED - https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250412#c518181 13:47:19 But these people tell lies and the community just eats it up. 13:47:34 @mods ban this spammer 13:47:59 Spammer and scammer 13:48:18 Another illiterate person 13:48:48 I don't need to read words from Kewbit's alt. Show code or GTFO scammer 13:49:24 Not my words. Proof positive - cannot read 13:49:55 Deflecting. No code/substance, just talk 13:51:40 April 12th - Agreement that NOTHING IS PAID UNTIL CODE IS SUBMITTED - https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250412#c518181 13:53:19 The official monero logs are no substance. Got it. 13:54:26 Kewbit you're not fooling anyone 13:56:02 If you've completed all the milestones, please upload your code to a repository and share it under an open-source license, such as the GPL. Stop scamming and deflecting 14:15:05 Nobody said this 14:18:21 Pretending that somebody did, makes you the liar 14:24:58 Agreement is that code that isnt permissively licensed at all stages == proposal terminated 14:35:59 Read the convo. No, it’s not about licensing. It’s about when payments occur. 14:36:49 smh can’t be truthful for one second 14:41:29 Youre cooked 14:41:55 imprev said "they said you asked for a payment" 14:42:02 And you said "they are liars" 14:42:27 imprev was wrong. nobody claimed that you asked for a payment 14:42:43 And you're a liar, because you know that nobody made such a claim 14:43:19 Never had anything to do with payment. THERES NO MONEY RAISED 14:44:27 You CANT request a payment for funds that dont exist, so cosigning a claim that you were accused you of requesting payment, just goes to show that you're incapable of honesty 14:44:52 You CANT request a payment for funds that dont exist, so cosigning a claim that you were accused of requesting payment, just goes to show that you're incapable of honesty 14:49:08 There never was a request for payout. The ccs never went to the funding stage, and therefore has never raised any funds that could be requested. 14:49:09 Where aremor claimed they has closed code? He's claimed to have code for milestone 1,2,3 for over month, and makes accusations of extortion when asked to show it. 14:49:43 https://matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm%3Amatrix.org/%242EFACxzf6_xJNhid-k8YaUSpXMHQup2ntQXgtaIkFuE 14:49:43 https://matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm%3Amatrix.org/%240PqN5bBV6I-17-9SsPR9TILx8ytjBdGeQddoJx5pzJk 14:49:45 That has been insinuated about 100 times since Saturday. 14:50:27 You cant read, i take it 14:50:54 Neither of the comments you linked to imply that you had requested a payout (for funds that dont exist) 14:52:26 Ginger asked if you are acting like FUK, which was responded with "yes". Maybe you've been around for 6 years and dont know who FUK is 14:54:52 "Move to funding or no code." Is the position that youre being accused of taking 14:54:53 Dan's "show me the money" comment that you linked to is in direct response to this 14:54:55 https://matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm:matrix.org/$vtsj-qufios8GR0TAU2Xmknaz3nVnGtxd5vLfV1GSbY?via=xmr.mx&via=matrix.org&via=monero.social 14:55:13 Anyway, you can keep shouting from the rooftops 14:55:31 Every mention he Kewbit is insinuation that money has been requested somewhere. Kewbit stole roughly $20,000 if I recall. So what does it mean if someone is calling you OJ Simpson? It means wife killer right. Let’s not play stupid. 14:55:31 What’s “scammer” mean? What do people take when they scam? 14:55:33 Just keep playing stupid with “nobody said this” 14:56:22 No, its an insinuations that youre as insufferable as him 14:58:00 ofrn, on a scale of 10, how inseffurable am i? 14:58:38 insufefrable 14:58:42 insufferabler 14:58:48 insufferable* 15:04:56 Like 2.7 15:14:41 shit 15:14:44 I need to go up 15:15:38 Tough competition 15:18:56 https://matrix.to/#/!eBgZCVRnRRkKchiYzS%3Amonero.social/%24qKcC6p7QDbbT9iJ-CDXst8S8gSbfSamLamSBLrii080 15:19:10 It’s been insinuated all over the place 15:25:14 🙄 https://matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm%3Amatrix.org/%24bWIgQve0xbtcApPGWdJ9Tr3E6vyjP_uVNMc_Lp3uaww 15:30:15 ? 16:26:56 Hello everyone. 16:27:19 am I in a good room for a Monero question? 16:28:44 Coulr try at [#monero-support:monero.social](https://matrix.to/#/%23monero-support:monero.social) 16:28:54 Could* 16:28:56 Thank you! 16:30:10 Yes, you are! 19:44:16 <321bob321:monero.social> Someone needs to build a bridge and get over it 20:19:47 Anyone open for a philosophical discussion about money? I believe a problem can be solved by hacking the human mind. Speculation allows for shaking the average joe from the market and ultimately the corrupt gaining control of the system and undermining decentralization, therefore we can remove speculation. We could make the sum of the whole network attack speculators. We could do 20:19:48 this by splitting units into two. The first unit XMR and the second RMX. We could mirror the attack and deflect it in phases. 20:19:50 Phase 1: 20:19:52 - We peg $1 = 1 RMX, garunteed by an entry on the XMR blockchain which all nodes form a consensus on 20:19:54 - When Alice pays Bob 20 RMX for cheese, an entry is made on the blockchain to reflect that as we'd expect, but this block header also contains the RMX peg value at that block time (not used for this transaction) 20:19:56 - Bob now wants to "store value" from selling his cheese, he does not feel safe gambling with his business. Therefore the chain garuntees this for Bob. 20 RMX will be converted to `Y` XMR based on the "current" consensus of the RMX value 20:19:58 Ideally the value of `Y` would be long enough to resemble that of a moving average in trading that is rarely crossed, taking out "noise". This takes out the noise from speculators and provides a level of confidence to those who are actually trying to use the network. 20:20:00 Phase 2: 20:20:02 To trigger this phase, we need to be adopted and percieved as a "stable coin" and the community must be big enough to overshadow USD. At this phase we remove the peg and just use RMX 20:20:04 =============== 20:20:06 This does fundamentally change the coin supply, unfortunately, or fortunately? The amount of RMX is tail emission and these economic concepts persist, but the amount of XMR scales up or down to attack the USD. If the money printer goes brr, we go brr. If usd contracts, we contract. The goal is to mirror USD. If we can create an environment where the user has minimal risk of sellin 20:41:11 That worked out really well for Haven 20:42:51 Is this AI 20:43:13 no 20:43:17 What is RMX 20:44:10 And why would we want to mirror something that had an inflation bug during covid 20:44:12 it is basically what we would consider a cryptocurrency, the other unit is just something that is traded and has a price attached 20:45:39 because it has no value... the hack is humans will see 20 RMX in a user interface and think it's still 20 RMX. And when they trade it, it's always $20... The Y XMR is just some tech hack 20:46:41 Id we peg xmr to usd, does that mean the market cap is 400T? 20:47:05 I honestly have not looked into haven, just interested in solving the money problem... perhaps I should research that and think some more on it 20:47:34 Solution in search og a problem 20:47:58 Zephyr, haven, luna 20:47:59 The market cap is just price * coin supply where coin supply is determined by the `Y` XMR above. When Bob trades, that is the point at which Y is determined 21:05:46 Haven almost has the same idea except it doesn't account for the change in value between the blocks, which could be a problem. Also doesn't take into account moving average which directly competes against the dollar (they could just print and infinite supply of dollars and kill the coin). Kind of funny there's a luna coin, yep I should have researched this first haha... my apologi 21:05:48 es. Is this a topic you guys would be interested in talking about later? 21:11:01 Haven had some issues lunardef https://havenprotocol.org/2024/12/12/project-closure-announcement/ 21:17:55 I think if Bob sends Alice cheese on Monday for 20xUSD when XHV trading at $20, and Bob goes to sell it on Friday when XHV is worth $10, you effectively create inflation. 21:18:58 That's why the idea with tracking the peg in the small increments of time (the block time) is that you remember the "value" exchanged. You only convert that value on the way in and out. And that IO exchange rate is based on moving average. 21:20:49 lunardef what you are talking about is not money at all 21:21:16 how so? 21:21:40 go study the abc of money, then report back 21:22:40