00:00:05 You can try cake wallet. Other than that all exchange that do credit are full kyc. 00:00:34 Its just too easy to call bank and complain you got skimmed 00:03:11 I'll try it and see if it works 00:17:11 I tried it and was immediately asked for kyc 00:18:04 Of course. No one want to take risk with credit cards 00:22:56 Why did you phrase it like they wouldnt have that issue then? 00:24:01 I did not know if they did or no 00:24:42 Alright 00:24:57 I dont have/use bank shit, could not have know sorry 00:27:14 How else am I supposed to get an initial amount of crypto? I literally only want like 100$ in monero every 2 years and for that I don't particularly wanna have to show my id 00:31:33 Depending if your location you might have luck with haveno reto -or- noones.com 00:31:34 Note: dont touch to internation countracts, there scams. Only touch local contracts 00:31:54 Yu might find like cash by mail or bank transfer or other way 00:32:15 Depending if your location you might have luck with haveno reto -or- noones.com 00:32:16 Note: dont touch to international countracts, there scams. Only touch local contracts 00:32:46 [@real_human:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@real_human:matrix.org) 00:37:06 On that site you linked is there decent moderation as far as not getting scammed and if not what do I need to look out for to not get scammed 00:39:05 Well, really, be careful. 00:39:06 **dont touch to internationnal orders** 00:39:08 **dont touch to internationnal orders** 00:39:10 **dont touch to internationnal orders** 00:39:17 Can I just pick anyone with a decent rating and who looks like they give a decent rate? 00:39:20 NON 00:39:34 Anyone can create accout and make micro transaction and pump rating 00:39:48 Ok then what do I need to look for 00:40:43 If its all rating and in your location instead of cote d'ivoire or Ghana then yeah (yeah I mean like if the trader flag match your countrynflag) 00:40:52 If its all rating and in your location instead of cote d'ivoire or Ghana then yeah (yeah I mean like if the trader flag match your country flag) 00:41:14 If your in EU you can probably take safe trade from other EU location but thats it 00:41:32 Latam users can probably take contrat from other latam users 00:41:54 Loot at the location of the contract 00:42:12 If its not in your country then SKIP 00:42:25 I'm assuming that is so local laws will actually protect you in the event something does go wrong with it 00:42:44 If there is none in your country than dont use that platform 00:43:27 Local traders also use local way of payment that you probably know how to use and/or can easily prove to moderation 00:44:48 I did try to do an international trade like one time. 00:44:50 The other party was like "you must release escrow for the instant paypent to work" my ass yeah lol 00:44:59 I did try to do an international trade like one time. 00:45:00 The other party was like "you must release escrow for the instant payment to work" my ass yeah lol 00:47:02 You musssstttt releaseeeeee 00:49:28 Why is it so annoying to buy crypto without showing my id? 00:49:28 I just wanna get a little bit to buy from a site that only takes crypto but i have literally been looking all day and still not found a way to do it without high risk of being scammed 00:50:12 Credit card payment are extremely easy to revert (buy crypto, call bank, I got skimmeeeeeeed and want my money back) 00:50:39 More normies way of payment are unsafe form of payment 00:51:04 Scampal : can revert 00:51:06 Credit card : can revert 00:51:08 Etc 00:51:10 Etc 00:51:43 You have to find a contact who deal crypto and do a cash exchange or something 00:52:04 You can't revert a cash payment 00:52:28 The only person I know who does crypto is such a terrible human being I would trust a rando on a p2p site more 00:58:52 What is a small enough transaction that I wouldn't have to worry about getting scammed as much because I literally just need like 90 bucks total for a thing I wanna get 01:03:37 hi was wondering if someone could help me. I cant connect to my local node 01:06:35 [6/7/2025 9:06 PM] 2025-06-08 01:06:12.969 I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.4.0-release) 01:06:36 Error: Couldn't connect to daemon: 127.0.0.1:18081 01:06:38 [6/7/2025 9:06 PM] 2025-06-08 01:06:18.563 I Monero 'Fluorine Fermi' (v0.18.4.0-release) 01:06:40 Error: Couldn't connect to daemon: 127.0.0.1:18081 01:06:44 i just keep getting this 01:17:32 Is your node running? 01:18:06 and how are you running it? I assume these logs are from monero-gui? 01:31:26 the node wont start 01:31:32 and yes the GUI 02:28:23 "node wont start" is why you have the issue. My notifications dont work for this room, can you go to Monero Support 03:52:20 What country currency. It makes it hard for people to help. I think amazon egift may be a good way if a seller accepts it. 03:53:55 Usd is what I have right now 05:04:11 thanks 05:06:12 Well I guess I gotta trust you a bit more so you are starting at a baseline of no trust but not expecting you to intentionally screw me 06:15:51 after localmonero down, buy xmr is much harder for me :( 06:22:00 Just buy it using another crypto currency 06:25:32 I dont have any other crypto, if I did I wouldnt have this problem 06:27:01 You can buy from other crypto from p2p platforms 06:27:19 Haveno is making progress to being more user friendly 06:27:43 Once mobile app launches its liquidity gonna increase 06:34:01 stupid way for me to "buy" xmr: mining, paid for power 06:34:37 unless you have free power :D 06:35:27 [but in that case you could have directly sold power for money, actually :P] 07:44:29 you can buy it earn it or trade for it 07:45:34 you can buy some transparent crypto then swap for a more privacy focused coin 07:45:56 I am hearing that the alleged localmonero clone, named openmonero, just got breached. 07:45:59 you can earn it by offering services or goods (or begging i guess) 07:46:12 you can steal it if you suck and are good at sucking 07:46:34 i guess 07:48:04 Isn't like the majority of mining power coming from botnet these days? 07:48:15 Isn't like the majority of mining power coming from botnet(s) these days? 07:48:52 note i did not include mine because unless you are doing it it's probably pointless 08:16:39 <321bob321:monero.social> Openmonero is scam 12:04:35 when localmonero live, i even saw a North Korea buyer idk it's true or troll 12:10:40 Confirmation of the hack has been added to the top of https://openmonero.com/ 12:11:49 Dot co? com? 🤷‍♂️ 12:19:12 Localmonero.me 🥹 12:20:21 Lol 12:56:33 Hi guys, i connected all my devices(including this computer) to p2pool to mine as an esperiment 12:57:09 Nice 12:59:19 I do this to help a bit (even to have some monero but to help in primis) 12:59:51 i even convinced a friend to do this 13:05:02 It's not a bit. 13:05:04 You convinced a friend and now there are three of us! 13:24:26 In theory i shoude get 15khs 13:41:20 I am at ~1 depending of how many are running. 13:41:22 It's mostly a scrapyard miner farm. 13:41:24 1 is reasonable, as the whoke network's rate is usually at 3 GH/s. 13:41:40 (1 kH/s) 13:41:46 1 kH/s is very very bad 13:42:13 I am at ~1 depending of how many are running. 13:42:14 It's mostly a scrapyard miner farm. 13:42:16 1 is reasonable, as the whole network's rate is usually at 3 GH/s. 13:42:24 my CPU does almost 8 kH/s, and it's a 3 years old Ryzen 5 13:42:57 I now get 6kH/s 13:43:02 Exactly. It's like brand new. Of course it's going to have more. 13:43:04 Anything else, Sherlock? 13:44:44 it's a low-tier CPU of the previous generation, with a 65 watt TDP 13:44:55 Mine is like 6yrs old and gets 6kh 13:45:26 I am running 10 y/o comouter, 4 y/o low-end phone, and there is 20 y/o laptop coming to the party. 13:45:47 It only makes sense if you have free electricity 13:45:48 They may get more useful tasks later. 13:46:00 is a laptop from 2001 can mine at all I'll be impressed 13:46:04 Nope, it also makes sense if you value privacy. 13:46:20 2005* 13:46:31 Some things are not about money. 13:46:44 32bit 13:46:59 35h/s lolol 13:47:29 It can. 13:47:30 Without some instructions it can get drastically slow and I'm nit sure that laptop has those. 13:47:54 It can. 13:47:56 Without some instructions it can get drastically slow and I'm not sure that laptop has those. 13:48:05 1gb ram 13:48:24 Sufficient without the hash table. 13:48:32 (Further slowdown) 13:49:33 Youlk get 30h/s w/o randomx fast mode 13:49:37 Are you trolling? 13:53:36 hey, every hash is a lottery ticket! 13:53:38 for a $200 prize 13:54:20 if you execute RandomX on paper it'll take only 5 years to execute a hash, you have a tiny chance of winning 0.6 XMR in five years 13:54:41 (in five years the block template will be expired so it's useless work anyway) 14:00:24 There is one more factor guys: Monero suffer not of inflation. 14:00:26 So even if your hashrate is like 30 H/s per 40 Watts, you add some security and are saving on inflation if you plan to hold finances for some decades. 14:00:28 I'm not saying it's a go-to idea, I'm saying there is at least one use case for doing this. 14:00:33 There is one more factor guys: Monero suffers not of inflation. 14:00:34 So even if your hashrate is like 30 H/s per 40 Watts, you add some security and are saving on inflation if you plan to hold finances for some decades. 14:00:36 I'm not saying it's a go-to idea, I'm saying there is at least one use case for doing this. 14:01:00 There is one more factor guys: Monero suffers not of inflation. 14:01:02 So even if your hashrate is like 30 H/s per 40 Watts, you add some security and are saving on inflation if your plan to hold finances for some decades. 14:01:04 I'm not saying it's a go-to idea, I'm saying there is at least one use case for doing this. 14:01:44 There is one more factor guys: Monero suffers not of inflation. 14:01:46 So even if your hashrate is like 30 H/s per 40 Watts, you add some security and are saving on inflation if your plan is to hold finances for some decades. 14:01:48 I'm not saying it's a go-to idea, I'm saying there is at least one use case for doing this. 14:03:01 No, it's way cheaper to just buy from an exchange with that hashrate. 30 H/s = 0.30$ / year. Even with free electricity it's just a loss of time. 14:03:38 You ignored my point comoletely. 14:03:40 Just buying from an exchange does not add hashrate to the network. 14:03:57 You ignored my point completely. 14:03:58 Just buying from an exchange does not add hashrate to the network. 14:04:28 Increased price adds hash to the network, buying increases buy pressure 14:04:40 Also, the computer doesn't need to run the miner software only, it can mine when idle. 14:05:11 I do have my pos media center adding like 1 or 2 kH cause why not, especially in winter 14:08:18 Yes it does 14:08:52 Miners have often need to sell some xmr to pay operation costs. 14:08:52 Buying xmr keeps miners in business 14:12:03 That is unsustainable. 14:12:04 If we want XMR to be the money, what would they sell it for? 14:12:26 To pay their electricity costs 14:13:08 Okay, so they pay their electricity with what they mined. 14:13:10 I see no role for me in that. 14:13:48 point was that: _buying xmr supports miners_ 14:14:26 My point was that: *buying xmr supports miners in an unsustainable way* 14:14:31 If there were no buyers, the price would fall from sales, leading to a loss in ability to afford the electricity, leading to a loss in hashrate 14:14:56 K u dont know what youre talking abt and i'm not going to argue 14:15:40 You don't need buyers at all. 14:15:40 You only need miners and people who respect XMR as a currency. 14:15:50 Buying = less available = higher prices = higher profit for miners -> more miners = higher security 14:15:51 You don't buy money. 14:16:08 You exchange between them for sure, but you don't buy it. 14:16:14 Yes you do 14:16:24 Thats the exact same thing. 14:16:39 That is the situation **right now**. 14:16:40 Think of the goals, else it's all for nothing. 14:17:28 Exchanging dollars for potatoes is the same thing as buying potatoes, selling potatoes, or buyinf buying dollars, or selling dollars 14:18:46 i can buy dollars with my xmr, just like i can buy gift cards, or potatoes 14:47:48 IMHO words like buy/exchange have nuances to them that set a mentality of how people treat those commodities. 14:49:13 Like, I bought a politician has a fairly widely accepted meaning. But I exchanged a politician is a lot more ambiguous. 16:13:00 higher profit for miners -> more miners = higher security 16:13:01 i'm skeptical about that 16:13:17 security isn't quantifyable as hashrate 16:13:42 the security of a cryptocurrency is the "good" hashrate relative to an attacker's hashrate 16:14:01 I suppose it's more true of CPU-mined coins at least 16:21:39 bought my monero 🥳 16:21:41 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/LEDsPyRrZmBjlWAYlKxlMAHH 16:21:48 bought my first monero 🥳 16:28:43 Whale 16:30:48 Security is cost to perform an attack 16:31:49 he bought? dump it 16:32:01 Hashrate doesnt matter on its own, what matters is difficulty of obtaining majority hashrate 16:40:19 what does that mean ? 16:42:34 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/EMzbukzEGrNqZSbHsgLVETGY 16:46:29 is fast transaction priority worth it or is normal or even slow as good? 16:47:03 Not worth it now. It's for when there's congestion and you're in a hurry. 16:47:16 Default will default to lowest fee typically. 16:47:46 I *assume* there's no congestion, only because I've not read about any here :) 16:48:49 0.00003072 monero on the slowest lol 16:48:56 thats less a cent 17:46:01 Monero's block size is adjustable, so there shouldn't be any. 17:46:02 Maybe if suddenly a lot of transactions hapoened multiple times, people may tweak their mining clients to "spread out" the transactions into multiple fees as the expansion costs some XMR. 17:46:19 Monero's block size is adjustable, so there shouldn't be any. 17:46:20 Maybe if suddenly a lot of transactions hapoened multiple times, people may tweak their mining clients to "spread out" the transactions into multiple blocks as the expansion costs some XMR. 17:46:39 Monero's block size is adjustable, so there shouldn't be any. 17:46:40 Maybe if suddenly a lot of transactions happened multiple times, people may tweak their mining clients to "spread out" the transactions into multiple blocks as the expansion costs some XMR. 17:53:45 I assume by "there shouldn't be any" you mean "there shouldn't be any congestion". 17:54:03 Congestion must be possible in that context for this sytem to make any sense. 17:54:36 If congestion was not possible, and monero had an adjustable block size, it follows that monero's block size could adapt arbitrarily quickly, which is basically pointless. 17:54:55