01:58:13 Hi, my node doesn't run 24/7 yet. I know there's an OPSEC risk if you spend XMR too soon after starting a node, but is there a similar risk with *receiving* XMR too soon after starting a node? R 02:03:39 The R is a typo 02:06:29 im just a user without much knowledge but i would consider it being extremely weird if wallet sent anyting to the network on recieving monero 02:08:21 lazhrb: fair enough :-) 02:18:37 I almost always make bad calls on these sorts of things, but I assume that the only situation in which receiving Monero in close proximity to receiving it could have the following concern: 02:18:39 - in the case that the sender is attempting to cyberstalk you *and* has reasonable suspicion to believe you may turn on a node to sync with the network (*very* difficult thing to have on a person in practice), they might be able to use their nodes to check for peers that have recently turned on/off. While a single transaction would likely be not enough, if you do this enough times 02:18:41 and they track you for long enough, they can probably narrow you down (worst case scenario would probably be around 3 if I had to guess, but someone with more free time than me could probably create a formal equation to determine this) 02:18:43 In general, the more consistent and unique your behavior, the more you will inherently stick out. 02:29:27 preland: Okay, thanks for your advice. :-) 05:51:08 What I meant by that is that it can replace the deposit addresses with their own any time. Look at elude 05:51:24 Probably won't but it's still a possibility 05:53:07 Yes. That’s a possibility. But I think Trocador has enough of a history to not do that. :). 05:53:24 Same as elude 05:53:45 Or how incognito market suddenly scammed everyone 05:54:11 🤷‍♂️ 05:54:22 Just use atomic swaps when possible 05:54:44 And get dirty money in exchange. 😬 05:55:00 Who cares. Crypto is p2p 05:55:01 Atomic are okay, if you know you will never need centralized swaps 05:56:46 Or if you're just swapping for xmr 07:37:53 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/RSlfQeRFwKaslEauEmoGBObW 07:37:59 AI 07:38:12 will take over the world 09:02:55 What does that ai even do? 09:05:58 Nice and accurate. 🙄 09:11:04 It will revolutionize the planet trust me bro 09:11:07 Totally not a scam 09:12:13 super-scam: read news about the 700 indian engineers doing the work of a fake AI and more 09:12:58 like the über-under_paid workers of amazon mechanical turk 09:14:28 AI = Actual Indians 09:15:23 and GPT = Gujarati Professional Typist :D 09:21:21 some more --> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/4VzDDvtH/image.png 10:42:49 You can get dirty money from any A rated trocador exchange 🧠 10:43:08 the only exchanges guaranteed to not give you dirty coins, are the ones who kyc 10:43:27 Yeah but it won't show up as tainted on aml checks 10:44:09 If you got dirty eth/btc from exch, it would show up on aml checks 10:44:27 How is that possible? 10:44:51 It should show up that the money came from the exchange 10:45:08 Does the bot also check for where the exchange's liquidity came from? 10:45:46 yes 10:46:15 thats how the exchange's funds are flagged and blacklisted 10:47:14 of course this only applies to transparent coins 10:48:21 Major exchanges (like coinbase) can and do treat non-kyc coins with higher risk, particularly if they are coming from a flagged entity, and even moreso if those coins are stolen 10:49:10 Fuck kyc 10:49:23 So the idea that trocador == no taint, is nonsense. Only exchanges that dont allow depositing tainted coins (kyc friendly exchanges) can guarantee you taint-free coins 11:02:10 Fair enough 🤣 11:03:12 A rateds are mostly good for trading TO monero. 11:34:56 they give you a link to the trade on whatever site you're using, just cross reference the address 11:35:39 Don't they usually use new/different addresses for every trade? 11:36:22 honestly, I worry about sending KYC coins from non-private chains to something like a DEX or atomic swap, don't want wherever that BTC ends up to come back on me 11:36:46 yes! you would have to check for each trade to make sure it matches the actual exchanger, but they do give you enough info to check 11:37:46 The provider could scam 11:37:53 well sure 11:39:47 I certainly wouldn't send any of them an amount of money that would make me cry, personally speaking my limit for trust would be something like 1k USD. If you send them much more than that, or really any amount of money that is "serious" for you personally, it's pretty risky 11:41:07 Indeed 11:42:55 not if you use a dex 11:43:21 right, we're talking about trocador 11:43:40 although Haveno does require trusting mods, not much of a dex in the true sense 11:44:01 on trocador, id you use a compliant exchangr/ they have AML laws to follow 11:44:08 The mods can't steal your money 11:44:19 I'm mostly referring to trustless solutions, basicswap, unstoppableswaps 11:44:23 It's 3 way multisig. 2 people have to agree on every transaction 11:44:25 yeah most of them aren't based in my country so the idea of pursuing them legally for a few grand is untenable, as it would be for most people 11:44:28 They very much can 11:44:45 How? 11:44:47 The mods can easily be 2/3 of those parties 11:45:04 Oh makes sense 11:45:09 simple, the seller and the mod collaborate 11:45:38 I am a mod, i see your offer to sell 10000 xmr, i use my non-mod account to "take" your offer. I dispute it. I side with myself 11:46:02 More likely "are the same person" than collaborate 11:46:14 potato potato 11:46:16 No need to split the funds with someone else 11:46:35 I collaborate with myself sometimes =p 11:46:45 me and my alts 11:47:27 Anyway, thats the biggest problem with havent. Implicit trust in the admins is required for any xmr you offer for sale 11:47:36 haveno* 11:48:23 How are the admins chosen? 11:48:31 They chose themselves 11:48:48 They don't tho. Haveno is decentralized 11:49:03 no it isnt 11:49:15 The network is decentralized, the seed nodes, admins, arbitratorrs are all handpicked 11:49:37 the fees, if any, are alsoncentralized 11:50:03 need a better place to list local swaps, technically can do it on Haveno but functionally you have to do the swap outside of Haveno and just use Haveno for advertising due to lack of mobile support 11:50:03 Or carry a laptop around I guess :/ 11:50:17 Its more accurate to say that its distributed? Its centralized at its core though 11:50:22 *sighs in LocalMonero* 11:50:35 Does the offer taker chose the arbitrator( 11:50:38 ? 11:50:39 Use vnc /s 11:51:00 The arbitrators _are_ the 2 admins. No, you dont get to choose 11:51:22 Oh alr. Never used haveno 11:52:20 Ive used it, but idk if i'm comfortable leaving large amounts there 11:52:48 Would be quite the mess if the arbs every woke up and decided to sweep the orderbooks 11:54:32 They definitely have an ugly look now 11:54:44 I trusted leaving money on LM more than on Haveno sadly, might be irrational of me but eh 11:55:09 They obviously exit scammed 11:55:18 ??? LM didn't exit scam 11:55:32 LM didnt exit scam 11:55:33 Oh wait that was openmonero 11:55:36 The new clone 11:55:55 yeah don't trust the clones as far as I can throw em, and I can't throw a website 11:55:56 localmonero.me * hahaha 11:56:19 shameless 11:56:41 Any evidence they got hacked? 11:56:48 They could very much have sweeped the wallets themselves 11:59:20 No evidence 13:14:00 I have never had an issue with transparent coin from a non kyc crypto to crypto non kyc one hopped to a kyc / fiat exchange 13:15:14 You must not use coinbase 13:15:18 I haven't checked in awhile but it always received a relatively high good score from kyc exchange 13:15:36 Correct, not coinbase 13:16:22 Coinbase with even punish you for depositing to a dex or swapper that they have flagged 13:17:25 i doubt kraken would do something like that, binance, kucoin, mexc for that matter 13:39:47 They call it conbase. 13:45:32 Mexc is trash 13:45:41 Shotgun kyc champions 13:50:42 So the only option is left without KYC is Haveno and Trocado? 13:54:00 I usually do robosats instead of haveno 13:54:07 Way more volume 13:55:45 They also had monero underpriced by 10%, and closed withdrawals for ~30days recently while doing so 14:33:52 [@comradeblin:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@comradeblin:matrix.org) https://x.com/OrangeFren/status/1933188553074487346 14:34:30 > We believe CoreSwap, VigorSwap, exch2 and **Moleswap** are all operated by the same scam team 14:39:05 Where is the Z guy 14:39:47 Probably launching ratswap 14:39:58 @Z 14:40:14 Orangefren is pretty reputable 14:40:45 Orangefren listed coreswap and they exit scammed for like 2000usd right away 14:41:34 These scammers are pathetic 14:42:45 who is disturbing me from enjoying this beautiful Friday 14:42:57 "i'm not moleswap. Everyone please go to moleswap and try to swap 100kusd. It will work, i promise" 14:43:08 ? 14:43:33 moleswap got removed from the scam list in kycnotme 14:43:46 tolded you goys 14:43:53 it was on the list? 🤣 14:44:08 yeah for whatever reason 14:44:09 Z def runs moleswap 14:44:47 I dont even see it on the website 14:45:10 https://kycnot.me/?q=Moleswap 14:45:24 I think he meant coreswap 14:45:44 you sound bitter, here is my ref code MOLE50-A7X9K2 for lower fees 14:46:03 🤣 14:46:28 I will use it! 14:46:54 based 14:48:43 Bruh it scammed me 14:52:07 Give me my money back 15:06:17 good 15:06:28 they must not like you 15:16:28 Bruh I lost 0.5 btc 15:24:23 guys, is it normal that i use p2pool mini on my 16 core computer for 3 days mining but i still didn't earn nothing? I know mining monero shoude be done for the comunity first, but there is nothing bad if you also want to a bit of moneroj 15:24:54 They probably haven't hit a block yet 15:24:55 You get paid when p2pool finds a block and you have shares in the window 15:25:30 How much hashrate do you get 15:26:06 5000h/s 15:28:19 Well then you just got unlucky. Last block was 17h ago. If you had had shares in the window you'd have gotten paid 15:28:43 mini.p2pool.observer 15:28:54 5000 h/s for 16-core is very low 15:28:58 https://mini.p2pool.observer/calculate-share-time?hashrate=5&magnitude=1000 15:29:01 It should be around 20 kh/s 15:29:04 Are you using gupaxx? 15:29:18 https://p2pool.io/mini/#blocks 15:29:21 mini found 3 blocks today 15:29:36 You're probably using the gui wallet to mine 15:29:52 Why does observer say 17h ago??? 15:30:17 Thats unlucky I turned my miner off today 🤣 15:30:19 yes, i think is so low because of the fact that is a laptop cpu. If not i don't know what cloud it be 15:30:42 Ah yeah most likely. Also make sure it cools down properly 15:30:44 i'm using xmrig 15:31:04 https://xmrig.com/benchmark this will give you a good idea of what your CPU's hashrate should be 15:31:28 I used to elevate the laptop using whatever so the air intake at the bottom has free flowing air 15:32:37 I do the same thing with an old domo-kun plush ahhahahahah 15:34:45 Btw you could try running xmrig on linux, enable huge pages and all this stuff, if you havent already 15:35:34 huge pages? what is that? 15:36:52 https://xmrig.com/docs/miner/hugepages 15:45:52 tldr: run as sudo 15:46:52 I didnt know it was automatic now tbh 16:00:50 I already do that fortunately 16:01:01 thanks🔥 16:01:19 No problem :) 16:04:41 @Z scammed me 16:05:38 holy shit stop larping i’m not paying you back 0.5 that you don’t have in the first place 16:05:50 send transaction id 16:05:55 of 0.5 btc 16:05:59 stop larping 16:06:44 send order id send transaction id or stfu 16:07:04 stop begging for me to refund you like i own that shit 16:13:57 "for me to refund you" 🤣 16:14:48 ofrnAI scammed me 16:15:07 I said i'd pay you back 16:15:13 i finali got pay 16:15:30 i'm not paying you back now 16:16:54 no, for mining. i wasn't payid for days 16:17:02 Damn I really should have left my miner on today 😅 17:04:16 its been over like 9 months since they announced keystone and Cake wallet integration. thats sucks 17:05:45 response from keystone team "Hi there,for our Monero integration, we’ve used Serai Rust libraries (monero-serai and monero-wallet), which are maintained by the Serai team. 17:05:45 As they confirmed that the library has undergone a full community-funded audit. According to them, any further auditing of downstream code is not required. 17:05:47 We’ve made some minor integration-level modifications—mainly adapting the interfaces for Keystone’s firmware signing flow. These changes are isolated from the cryptographic logic or core transaction construction. 17:05:49 Given the nature and scope of these adjustments, we believe they don't introduce new security risks that would necessitate a separate audit. 17:05:51 Of course, if CakeWallet prefers an additional review of our integration layer, we fully respect that and are happy to collaborate accordingly. At this stage, it's less about the underlying library’s security and more about aligning on process. 17:05:53 We’ll continue to follow Cake’s pace and contribute to moving this integration forward, while appreciating the community’s understanding of the diligence we've applied in selecting and working with this audited library." 17:05:55 response from keystone team >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Hi there,for our Monero integration, we’ve used Serai Rust libraries (monero-serai and monero-wallet), which are maintained by the Serai team. 17:05:57 As they confirmed that the library has undergone a full community-funded audit. According to them, any further auditing of downstream code is not required. 17:05:59 We’ve made some minor integration-level modifications—mainly adapting the interfaces for Keystone’s firmware signing flow. These changes are isolated from the cryptographic logic or core transaction construction. 17:06:01 Given the nature and scope of these adjustments, we believe they don't introduce new security risks that would necessitate a separate audit. 17:06:03 Of course, if CakeWallet prefers an additional review of our integration layer, we fully respect that and are happy to collaborate accordingly. At this stage, it's less about the underlying library’s security and more about aligning on process. 17:06:05 We’ll continue to follow Cake’s pace and contribute to moving this integration forward, while appreciating the community’s understanding of the diligence we've applied in selecting and working with this audited library." 17:08:15 I wish at least there is clarity 17:08:29 who are you talking to ? 17:10:05 i was referring the keystone team >< in my message i wish there is clarity in the process 17:10:23 been waiting forever i was the the beta testers 17:10:50