01:17:03 hello y'all 01:19:38 is everyone aware of the petition to add XMR to proton's payment systems? general manager of proton vpn said they'll add support to their summer roadmap if 1000 people sign the petition 01:20:42 https://www.change.org/p/proton-to-add-monero-payment-support 01:22:08 (i really hope there are no rules against urls here) 01:30:42 Thanks you remind me to check me email to confirm my vote 01:45:37 Hi everyone! Does anyone have the link for the official monero space? 01:49:09 Actually I've found it, Sorry! 03:53:56 kyun 03:54:47 wow, client doesnt even have a search function 04:14:53 test 04:15:15 oh nice my client is working 06:05:23 Can someone send me the link for the other node implementation 06:05:54 I forgot its name it was in test before 06:06:19 I want to stop monerod and try it 06:08:53 I remember now Cuprate 06:11:23 Can it be mined on and used with feather wallet 06:34:54 <3​21bob321:monero.social> https://github.com/Cuprate/cuprate 06:34:56 <3​21bob321:monero.social> WIP 07:13:33 I can’t use Cuprate to connect to my p2pool instance to be mind via XMRig? 07:14:07 This is very important imo as this is the only implementation that is not under core 08:52:36 correct 08:52:47 ? 10:32:36 because bitcoin core bad 13:48:47 Is the private tx key deterministically generated (such that when restoring wallet from seed, the private tx key can be recovered given the recipient address)? 14:35:37 Private tx key is random when a wallet creates a transaction 16:12:42 file image.png too big to download (3465960 > allowed size: 1000000) 16:12:43 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> image.png 16:13:01 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> average xmr miner #5 16:13:02 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> enjoying their unregulated residence ^_^ 16:46:11 It *could* be deterministically generated, there is nothing stopping it from doing so, but it isn't with the reference wallet 16:47:05 There's the privacy trade-off that if someone got a hold of your seed phrase, they'd be able to see outgoing transactions to other addresses, whereas they can't do that now 17:34:24 I understand that different team is working on this node implementation. I said this is very important because more node implementation = more decentralization at the code level more teams to focus on different things. I wish we have at least 4-5 different nodes implementation 17:34:46 Not just Monero core team 17:34:56 I don't 17:35:02 Monero core team doesnr develop a damn thing 17:35:38 Who maintains that main node implementation? 17:35:46 I thought its Monero core 17:35:47 community 17:36:43 the same devs that work on cuprated, also help with monerod. The main difference is languages 17:36:57 One is rust, one is c++ 17:37:02 Who is the community funding to maintain this ? 17:37:11 CCS funds cuprate and monerod 17:37:33 this = ? 17:37:41 I get you know so not different team 17:38:00 This = monerod, i think 17:38:03 3 devs are funded specifically for cuprate 17:38:09 Most nodes in decentralized crypto project are funded by CF 17:38:20 But either way, both projects are funded via ccs.getmonero.org 17:39:10 I wouldnt say specifically. 17:39:11 hinto's ccs includes fcmp implementation work, boog reviews and helps design monerod work, as well as vuln finding and reporting 17:39:39 Regardless this is always the case in decentralized project. But there is always anon maintainers and contributors team who request funds via ccs or volunteer to do the job 17:40:07 Like Selsta 17:40:28 What about selsta? 17:40:54 I am making a point of example 17:41:05 . 17:41:07 Example of what, is what im asking 17:41:34 4-5 node implementations seems unrealistic, i don't think even bitcoin has that 17:41:43 That even though things done via CCS there is always so one who do stuff 17:42:01 Team, contributors, or 2-3 devs etc.. 17:42:30 Bch has that but regardless once Monero gets bigger it should be 17:43:06 Even bitcoin knots has a whole 1 person running the entire thing 17:43:20 Alternative node implementations protect Monero’s independence. Alternative teams resist social capture, alternative codebases resist protocol capture. 17:43:27 Like 98% of all commits are from luke dash jr. Hardly decentralized 17:44:09 I wouldn't say Bitcoin is a good example of many node implementation 17:44:23 But the idea it self still valid 17:44:38 I am basing based on this 17:44:41 bitcoin cash isnt either. Probably every implementation is understaffed and buggy, due to fragmentation 17:45:27 They dont resist social capture. Blockstream captured btc core. Instead of resisting, they created bible knots implementation 17:45:45 Wouldn't say that because each implementation has strength in very niche specific area where whales internetsted on this area fund it very heavily 17:46:19 Because that's after the fact 17:46:22 the only impl that matters, is the one that miners use. 17:46:35 If Bitcoin had many node distributed between miners and users that would be another story 17:46:57 Yeah, it would be unreliable af 17:47:30 you might send a tx that 8/10 miners wont confirm 17:47:33 I would disagree actually 17:47:49 the evil core team forced monero nodes to not relay mordinals and zero fee transactions 17:48:13 Based on wait each node would have same consensus rules 17:48:14 Based on what each node would have same consensus rules 17:48:16 So you think it would be a good idea is 80% of miners didnt accept segwit or rbf, but 100% of wallets used those? 17:48:57 currently alternate implementations help to find bugs that would mainly effect the nodes ability to stay online under load, rather than 'the evil core team have forced something' 17:49:24 are you suggesting that ashven? 17:49:32 The thing is that pools did the job and miners accepted nothing ever happen without miner approval UAF is a myth 17:49:33 Or if wallets allowed 0 fee transactions, but 9/10 miners require 0.001 btc/vkb minimum fee, but wallets allow 0.00001? 17:49:55 New York agreement? 17:50:35 Its not a myth. Miners (and pools) mine whatever they want. 17:50:49 Yeah not only that but specializing in a specific niche also is a great way like feature or APIs 17:51:22 Your tx is written to the blockchain aka confirmed by miners. Not by hope and dreams 17:51:34 I didn't disagree do you know what UAF mean? 17:51:46 I said UAF is the myth 17:52:00 oh, what is UAF 17:52:12 User activated fork mean a fork by non mining node with no hashing power like core lied 17:52:18 That's fantasy 17:52:23 And a myth 17:53:15 antpool just said yes to the SegWit just because they didn't want to look like the bad guy after core threatened to active it via UASF but that's a myth we know now 17:53:36 If antpool stick to their position we wouldn't see rbf and SegWit today 17:54:37 Hence after new York agreement the block size war begin 17:56:42 BTC won segwit is because antminer company allowed them to after the promises to increase the block to 2MB. they didn't want to be seen as the bad guy after all. yet they didn't deliver on their promises leading to BCH fork. 17:56:43 I would argue that people back then were willing for compromises they already accepted the compromises just to get only 2MB bigger block. And avoid splitting the network. Newyork agreement and HongKong were circuses 17:58:45 Monero solved this drama by implementing dynamic block size from the beginning like Satoshi anticipated the future would look like 17:59:15 I would argue bch took the idea from Monero 18:08:01 Oh, yeah, we agree here 18:08:42 Maybe I didn't deliver the right expressive words 💬 sorry 21:33:29 someone knows if `get_transfers` shows transactions with 0 height if using `filter_by_height` ? 21:34:06 if min_height is more than 0, there will be no mempool transactions in list? 21:35:00 do you have a testnet address to try? 21:35:38 pls share 21:41:05 idk how to use testnet, I sent on mainnet but it confirmed too quick multiple times xD 21:42:02 it's alright I guess I will just try 2 variants myself with and without filter and find out 21:43:35 run monero-wallet-cli with "--testnet" flag , and monero-wallet-rpc with --testnet flag too, thats the only difference, other than the coins being free to test with 21:45:50 if it works as described here then what you say is correct https://docs.getmonero.org/rpc-library/wallet-rpc/#get_transfers 22:19:44 Has anyone been able to install Cake wallet on Linux? 22:20:20 Compile instructions are missing, and it doesn't exist in Flathub. 22:21:10 https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet 22:56:35 is this it? https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet/blob/main/.github/workflows/pr_test_build_linux.yml 23:37:30 Cryptocurrencies adopt the "X" prefix in their ticker symbols to align with the ISO 4217 international currency code standard. This signifies their status as non-sovereign or supranational currencies, meaning they are not issued or controlled by any single country. 23:46:22 xau xag xmr 23:46:45 Btc switched from xbt to btc because its not a currency 👾 23:57:10 finally figured out that thing I asked about, if I set `pool: true` and can see incoming mempool transactions and also use `filter_by_height` simultaneously, monero-wallet-rpc is great 😊