00:08:02 <m-relay> <m​obley:converser.eu> What is your os?
02:32:05 <nioc> my local store has a 256GB SSD for $20 and a 512GB NVMe SSD for $36
02:33:38 <nioc> lowest price HDD is $55
02:35:13 <nioc> that's 1TB
02:35:27 <nioc> 1TB MVMe SSD is $65
02:35:37 <nioc> buy an SSD
02:45:32 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> At that price its very likely to be dram-less. Fine for the monero but if you import big data in it it's going to choke.
03:00:23 <as2333> I bet long term ssd is way worse than hard disks
03:41:24 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Naa, there better in every points. And bottom of the bag el cheapo drive can absorb over 25GB daily for over 10 years.
03:41:25 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Data retention is different so it have to be turned on a few hours a year to be sure.
03:46:27 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Ssd from like ~2008-10 where trash except if you paid a lot of money
03:46:35 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> But they improved a lpt
03:46:38 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Lot*
11:30:16 <m-relay> <b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> https://youtube.com/shorts/coIAmdJXM_Q?feature=share
11:30:44 <m-relay> <b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> blurt blockchain is the xmr of the web3 blogging platforms where people earn from their content
11:30:54 <m-relay> <b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> via the blurt token, i stack these tokens, then i convert them to ltc over at the hive-engine, then into xmr
11:31:02 <m-relay> <b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> my way of...off ramping into xmr...
11:31:08 <m-relay> <b​rave-smoke:matrix.org> besides others
12:52:07 <m-relay> <s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> One day I may own some Monero.
12:52:32 <m-relay> <s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Tried mining it no luck. None of the exchanges I am on have it.
12:53:00 <m-relay> <s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> It is the elusive cryptocurrency for me.
12:54:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> swap litecoin for xmr
12:57:10 <m-relay> <s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I have no litecoin anymore.
12:58:08 <m-relay> <s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I own mostly bitcoin in cold storage that I'll probably never touch. With some xrp that I can never seem to get rid of lol.
12:59:23 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> mine xmr, changenow to ltc, ltc to usd with exchange
13:00:38 <m-relay> <s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I have tried to mine xmr. I have never gotten any before.b
13:00:46 <m-relay> <s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I have tried to mine xmr. I have never gotten any before.
13:07:07 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^. Use the exchange to buy ltc
13:08:45 <m-relay> <s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Where dobi exchange ltc for xmr?
13:08:57 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> mf, the point of monero is invisibility
13:09:06 <m-relay> <s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Where do I exchange ltc for xmr?
13:15:08 <m-relay> <s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> If I was working on a project that was to involve Monero and making it easier for people to mine and use it in business transactions. Is there any place to apply for funding to help make the project viable?
13:20:47 <m-relay> <s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Is this the right place?
13:20:52 <m-relay> <s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> https://ccs.getmonero.org/
13:42:35 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> kuno.anne.media
13:44:30 <m-relay> <w​ritemarble:matrix.org> Is this an exchange platform?
13:44:39 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> trustless: basicswapdex
13:44:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> decentralized: retoswap
13:44:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> centralized: trocador or orangefren
13:44:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> centralized exchange: tradeogre (ltc -> usdt or btc -> xmr)
13:47:16 <m-relay> <s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Nope. More of a self custody management system for multiple cryptocurrencies. Was thinking about making Monero up front and center as a 1st class option.b
13:47:23 <m-relay> <s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> Nope. More of a self custody management system for multiple cryptocurrencies. Was thinking about making Monero up front and center as a 1st class option.
13:48:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But you dont own any :D
13:48:49 <plowsof> A payment processor for multiple crypto currencies? 
13:49:26 <m-relay> <w​ritemarble:matrix.org> Is this a cli tool or app?
13:49:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "easier for people to mine and use in business transactions" monerorajafanOS
13:49:40 <m-relay> <w​ritemarble:matrix.org> Assuming it's not a web application
13:50:03 <plowsof> I suppose the busines ls could mine monero during our of business hours 
13:50:46 <m-relay> <s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> It would involve including MoneroGUI with the software suite. As well as coding it into the management software itself.
13:51:27 <m-relay> <s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I dont own any. Doesnt mean that it has been on my radar for a long time and love what it is about.
13:51:48 <m-relay> <s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I dont own any. Doesnt mean that it has not been on my radar for a long time and love what it is about.
13:52:03 <m-relay> <w​ritemarble:matrix.org> Check out the monero-wallet-rpc in the extras folder of the GUI. Could be helpful.
13:52:12 <plowsof> Have you done any research what so ever? E.g. looked at what solutions exist and how you'd improve them
14:02:42 <m-relay> <s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I remember trying to mine Monero for 3 weeks on my old laptop. Felt like I was playing scratch off lottery with my 1 in 12,000+ chance.
14:47:15 <m-relay> <s​overeigntyman:matrix.org> I wonder what sort of rig you would need to mine 1 xmr per day.
14:58:37 <nioc> blocks are every 2 minutes with a reward of 0.6 xmr and the current network HR is 5.3GH/s
14:58:49 <nioc> with that info you can fidure it out
14:58:58 <nioc> also figure it out 
15:00:11 <nioc> or at least how much HR you need
15:03:13 <quantum`> Is it possible to mine using p2pool -without- having a local copy of the blockchain?
15:03:36 <quantum`> (xmrig)
15:03:49 <plowsof> Possible yes but not recommended 
15:04:16 <quantum`> IME it's impossible to get the bc these days.
15:05:29 <plowsof> A gui uniting p2pool and xmrig + xmrvsbeastsbraffle displays a list of remote nodes you can use for p2pool https://github.com/Cyrix126/gupaxx 
15:08:18 <quantum`> Ty
15:08:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Quantum, ive synced the blockchain probably 20-40 times this year
15:08:46 <quantum`> I just can not catch up.
15:09:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> is your computer older than monero?
15:10:52 <quantum`> No, it'sa 64 hread Epyc.
15:11:11 <m-relay> <e​ddie:oblak.be> You would need a lot of CPU for that, big upfront investment. It's hard to make it profitable if you don't have access to free electricity. You can estimate what you need  using xmrig benchmark
15:11:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Then blame your hdd
15:11:46 <quantum`> According to iostat HDD is 72.4%
15:11:56 <quantum`> I have solar panels.
15:12:30 <quantum`> And 64 threads is decent.
15:12:46 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You need 5 300 000 000 / 720 to mine 1xmr per day
15:13:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You keep repeating yourself
15:13:15 <quantum`> Don't know what those units are.
15:13:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Get a new drive, or suffer in silence
15:13:33 <quantum`> And I am repeating myself to answer questions.
15:13:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the answer is in hashes per second
15:14:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Youre nkt answeting any questions - there are no questions to be answered
15:14:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Your hdd is too slow to sync the blockchain
15:14:32 <quantum`> You are not understanding.  Be a little kinder.
15:14:35 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Is it tunning in a raid config?
15:14:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Running*
15:14:54 <quantum`> It's one 5T HDD.
15:15:00 <quantum`> 5T
15:15:51 <quantum`> My actual question is why is mining p2pool without the blockchain not recommended?
15:16:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> because of latency and reliability
15:16:34 <quantum`> Any special switches to xmrig?
15:16:48 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> no, you point xmrig at p2pool
15:16:56 <quantum`> Cool.
15:17:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You dont need any switches on xmrig. P2pool determines the parameters (payout address etc)
15:17:29 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Any except for the "pool" address
15:17:34 <plowsof> P2pool config + nodes @ https://xmrvsbeast.com/p2pool/monero_nodes.html
15:17:48 <quantum`> Would xmrig split into many threads, or must I run many instances?
15:19:07 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Try it
15:19:11 <plowsof> 2gb of ram per thread is jt? 
15:19:14 <nioc> 64 thread epyc, can't afford an SSD
15:19:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, 2gb total
15:19:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 5TB HDD amd can't afford a $10 ssd
15:20:48 <quantum`> nioc: You really want to know?!  I am a real estate developer and am building 5 houses, when my lender cut me off without notice and I was left with no financial resources as I wasn't stashing money, I was putting it all into the project.  Ok?
15:21:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> not ok
15:21:31 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> TMI
15:21:47 <plowsof> Are you my landlord?
15:21:58 <nioc> you are talking to someone who used to be homeless
15:22:07 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hahaha
15:22:08 <quantum`> You keep complaining about my financial resources, and yet now it's TMI.  You are just mean.
15:22:28 <plowsof> Paying the guys .mortgage and he wont shell out dor an ssd 
15:22:35 <nioc> collecting deposit bottle to convert into monero
15:23:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> nioc knows the hustle
15:23:23 <quantum`> You don't seem to know that sometimes in life we have difficulties.  Must be a kid.
15:24:07 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> kids who have been around in monero for 10years must have been infants when they got started
15:24:15 <quantum`> If you had any sense of respect you would accept the constraints that others sometimes have.
15:24:39 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Honestly, i'm thankful that i don't
15:25:02 <quantum`> So you claim you're not a kid, but you certainly are a disrespectful person.
15:25:39 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 5 days of "i'm using a raw file that i found on some dusty corner of the internet, not listening, and making false claims that monero cant be synced" cost more than $10
15:26:03 <quantum`> More evidence.
15:26:07 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "<q​uantum`> So you claim you're not a kid, but you certainly are a disrespectful person." << pretty much
15:26:26 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ok lets act like sane adults
15:26:35 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1. Where did you find the raw file?
15:27:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Note: it was removed from guides on getmonero.org 3 months ago
15:27:09 <quantum`> Did a search, I don't remember specifically, but importing it got me to 74% right quick.
15:27:42 <plowsof> Ah maybe the old link still works 💢
15:28:03 <quantum`> To me, it's the best way in my case.
15:28:07 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2. Did you use the unverified/unsafe import option?
15:28:24 <quantum`> No, just standard verified.
15:28:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 3.How long did it take to import
15:29:33 <quantum`> I'm now looking to ine while the bc is downloading by using xmrig on p2pool and xmrvsbeast.
15:30:00 <quantum`> A couple hours.  I've been trying for weeks to get the rest of it.
15:30:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Don't bother downloading the blockhain. You wont be able to keep up
15:30:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Just mine and be happy
15:30:47 <quantum`> Yes I think that's best.  I didn't know that is possible.
15:32:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> follow instructions at the link plowsof posted
15:32:57 <plowsof> Have you considered comparing deals for your internet /.phone bill? You can likely save more than an ssd per month 
15:33:24 <quantum`> Reading now.  Which ports does Gupaxx require?  My big machine is headless.
15:33:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> none, technically
15:33:49 <plowsof> Guoaxx should just work 
15:34:21 <quantum`> Just went on food stamps and will arrange for low/no income programs for utils.  Mortgages are in forebearance temporarily.
15:35:06 <quantum`> Seems like it would need some port(s)...