00:58:50 Well, I got feather downloaded, verified, and apparently working. can I transmer my $20 in bitcoin into the feather wallet? 01:05:48 No 01:05:54 Feather is a monero wallet 01:06:30 ok, so I have to sell the bitcoin and buy monero? 01:08:57 Well, I guess I'll wait a while and see if bitcoin goes up enough to make a few dollars on the transaction! 01:09:14 Yea 01:09:16 https://pro.kraken.com/app/trade/xmr-btc 01:10:13 It looks like you'll lose $ if you wait, because xmr price is going up faster 01:16:20 This is rather odd... I bought some monero, and now it says I have $5.05 in monero. Do you have any idea what happened? 01:19:04 Ok, it seems as though I have $14.53 in bitcoin. I guess I need to figure out kraken! 01:21:37 Tradeogre 01:21:46 If you want to use a CEX 01:21:58 no KYC, so faster to "figure out" 02:37:58 They already used kraken to buy the btc 02:38:26 . 02:42:19 I got it figured out. (I think...) By buying the $5.05 in xmr, I went below the minimun amount to trade, so by putting the $5.05 back into bitcoin, I was then able to get the whole thing into monero. (only lost about $1.50) 03:15:05 Threat model: Does the feather wallet also have the passphrase feature? 09:39:51 I have a more philosophical question as to why govts and banks paint monero as nothing more than a pirate currency. The majority of usage of monero is on drug marketplaces, which is illegal according to the feds. 09:42:15 Well, how about the fact that govts engage in cyber espionage, mass surveillance, controlling banks and hence controlling people, full on dictatorship, war crimes, and way too many other inhumane activities. Why is that not illegal? Why do they get a free pass? Why can't normal people see this? 09:44:34 Looking at just snowden leaks and vault7, do people not realize how much control they have? 09:45:17 Or is it that cypherpunk ideology is completely destroyed? 09:48:24 Well, since monero is anonymous, how would anyone know what it is mostly used for? 09:50:20 Where do you see monero being accepted the most? Remember how silk road popularized bitcoin, even though satoshi didn't want it to be used for such purposes 09:50:37 >The majority of usage of monero is on drug marketplaces, which is illegal according to the feds. 09:50:37 based on what statistics? 09:51:11 https://kycnot.me/ 09:51:11 Replace it with any illegal activity, according feds. Ransomware, etc. 09:51:26 Replace it with any illegal activity, according to feds. Ransomware, etc. 09:52:47 What? This means absolutely nothing. I wanna buy food, electronics, etc. I cannot do it directly, there is always an intermediary 09:53:57 My point is that govt has brainwashed people into believing that they are clean 09:54:21 this still doesn't answer what you have claimed as fact "most moner use is for drugs". 09:55:35 It's painted by everyone as such, that's what I was trying to say. Even if say, 10% of monero is used for it, so what? 09:55:54 It's a free market. 09:57:14 Ransomware is a good thing too. It's made people more security conscious and less reckless. Whoever gets crypted, deserves it. Apart from hospitals and other humane orgs. 09:59:38 Point is why should we believe what they say is bad. It's upto us to decide. Majority of people don't understand this. 09:59:47

excellent question 10:01:19 The drug war was started by them, they benefit from it and yet everyone hails when some free market gets seized. How are people so delusional? 10:01:52

because the people do not know the system, they do not know the Vatican birth certificate control system that we fell into (Justinian Deception Youtube channel, and JD2 prosecutions channel on rumble) 10:02:14 I don't know what that is. 10:02:15

we've all been programmed to see and relate everything to the fiat currency unit of measurement, its a programming hard to break out of 10:02:29

if you fine time, give those channels a look 10:02:41

if you can understand the birth certificate fraud, it will put the pieces to all the puzzles 10:02:47 I stay away from youtube. It's not worth my time. 10:02:52

especially to peoples fears of being hit by the LAW regarding monero usage 10:03:22

this relates to our usages of monero grearly 10:03:39 I do agree that's a fraud. The whole idea of telling the govt of what I am, who I marry, where I belong is absurd. 10:03:53

yes, it all comes down to what is called the LEGAL PERSON/FICTION 10:04:17

a lot of folk are very afraid that by holding or using monero, the law or System will get them, which is true...only for those who dont know what the legal person is 10:04:38

for that, you guys NEED to watch all videso on THE JUSTINIAN DECEPTION youtube channel...or you can find it on odysee 10:04:44

or other places where people have reuploaded Romley's vids 10:04:58 With proper opsec measures, they cannot do anything. 10:05:10

we are not that identity the guvment tell us, which is the legal person... 10:05:42 I agree. There is no democracy. Not even in EU. 10:06:12 There never was, why do people still believe in kings? Fucking delusional. How can you give away so much control? 10:06:16

at the end of the day, if we hold any identification given to us by the state, or system, and if they catch a man or woman using monero, under that name via the bank account, then they will have full access to a person...who has been legally acting as the legal person, who they believe themselves to be 10:06:26

the legal person can be found on your driver license 10:06:28

your passport 10:06:33

look at that document...is it English? 10:06:44

and why does the surname/SURNAME always come first in the documents? 10:06:57

you guys need to watch the justinian deception youtube channel, its a small channel 10:07:13

with vital vital VITAL information to free ourselves from the system 10:07:15 The borders were meant to divide us. All the ID documents, it's a full on attack on our sovereignty. 10:07:20

yes 10:07:55

we were born into a deadly Vatican control system, whereby they utilized our family names, and patented it's usage in the system, represented always on documents via ALL CAPITALS (this is called DOG LATIN) 10:08:23

through this deceptive bastardization of English and Latin, they created a fake language that looks like English, but isn't, and cannot be read as English 10:08:30 Ok that's a a little far fetched. Vatican is not the only player. I was talking about general govts. 10:08:38

that's how they created the legal person, and all them fake documents we hold so dear 10:09:07

i won't convince you, if you find time, the channels are open for your perusal 10:09:38

but please do give the channel a chance, it relates directly to using monero and not fearing getting heat from the Law 10:09:40 I think the more important topic in hand is to escape from it. 10:09:56

the channel shows you the existence of two types of birth certificates 10:10:07 I am sorry, I do not take anything serious from video content. 10:10:09

one we were given by birth, which has your name, and the SURNAME/surname attached to it 10:10:16

one, that does not 10:11:04

the one that has a surname, or whawt you perceive to be your family name, attached to your first name, together these create what is called the LEGAL FICTION, placing us as debtors under the government and the entire Vatican birth certificate control system from birth 10:11:39 Orwellian indeed. 10:11:59

there is another birth certificate one can obtain, with the correct knowledge, and doesn't cost a dime to obtain other than delivery fees from the courts, that is called the certificate of birth, which has no surname on this document...if one can obtain this...it places we the people back to our original position...creditors of the system, we are the ones using our signature to ma 10:12:01

ke money in this system 10:12:52

that means, by getting back to this position, and letting go of all things that has the surname/SURNAME on it, we are creditors, no longer obliged to fall under legal jurisdiction as a debtor...or their slave...which means if we use monero not as a debtor, but a creditor standing in the system...they cant do shit to us 10:13:03

their laws only apply to those operating under the legal person 10:13:09 Man stick to the facts. The ones I wrote are real, people have seen it and it continues to happen. 10:13:26

i pity you 10:13:39

i know others here will give that channel a chance, i am not here to convince you 10:13:48

have a good day 10:14:02 please continue at #monero-offtopic:monero.social 10:14:22 How is government censorship off-topic? 10:14:59 how is the discussion relevant to monero any more? 10:15:22 Wasn't monero created for one of that reason? 10:15:23 you can still talk about it in the offtopic room, no one preventing you from doing so 10:15:35 👆 10:15:59 Avoiding my question. Fine, I will give in to your censorship. It's disappointing. 10:17:43 Fucking morons... Thanks for the /ignore function. 10:19:45 moneromooo: what are you ignoring? they come through a bridge. /ignore m-relay? :D 10:20:07 You can use /ignore -pattern * 10:20:27 really? very useful. thank you. 10:21:11 I'm at 199 ignore rules... 10:21:20 Who's gonna be the 200th :D 10:21:26 You are one of them. Using IRC like a fucking idiot. 10:21:44 Though in fiarness a lot are variations of old automated spam messages. 10:21:46 moneromooo: probably me! 10:24:15 Imagine using a plain-text, old beard protocol no gives a fuck about. Have fun living in the past, psychos. 10:24:52 Jezus, get a hug somewhere. 10:25:22 All of you are state owned anyway. Try to use your brain, it's not that hard. 10:25:37 You're getting all defensive because mods directed you to a place where you can rant .. grow up man 10:25:39 I wonder what's the logic in insulting someone you just were told cannot read any of your messages anymore. 10:26:01 Perhaps some people get turned on by bitching at a wall. 10:26:17 I am talking about this message from moneromoo: Fucking morons... Thanks for the /ignore function. 10:26:30 "state owned" 10:26:48 You don't get the replies on IRC? LOL. 10:27:19 How about encryption? How much emojis? How about better UX? No? 10:27:26 How about encryption? How abouy emojis? How about better UX? No? 10:27:28 the retardio is going higher and higher by the second. 10:28:03 Are you from glassrom channel? Windows hardening? 10:32:32 emojs are not encrypted on matrix (metadata) 10:33:17 the room #monero-offtopic:monero.social is created for this exact reason. 10:33:59 discussions that is not relevant to monero, your initial question/theory was a bit related to Monero, but it deviated after that 10:38:46 Sorry about this 10:43:55 fineopal has been censored from all channels 10:58:07 The irony of being censored from a privacy and security focused cryptocurrency that promotes freedom. Is palpable. 11:00:05 Generally, when someone turns "move to another channel, this is OT" to "this is censorship", it's safe to assume they're disingenuous or not worth wasting time with. 11:00:37 Same with those turning pushback for being an asshole with "you hate what I'm saying and are trying to suppress it". 11:00:56 Like spammers. Just makes life better for low cost. 11:01:07 They had their chance, blew it. 11:01:16 I dont pass judgment other than it is ironic. 11:01:28 sovereigntyman don't confuse Monero with Matrix/IRC/Telegram/Signal, what have you. 11:01:48 One is the undisputably uncensorable thing, all others are moderated, whether you like it or not. 11:02:00 Unfortunately, this is kind of a con that comes with the pro. 11:02:17 I don't see the irony anywhere, lol. 11:02:28 You do what feels right to maintain the community. 11:02:29 Maybe find laughable how much you whine about it. 11:02:45 I haven't done shit. The censors did. 11:03:33 Also why I added ignore functionality to my game. If you're a raging nazi racist transppobic homophobic whatever else asshole, you can still play but people won't have to have their day blighted by you ^_^ 11:04:05 I literally have no other shits to give other than pointing out being censored from a group that creates unvensorablr software. No more. No less. I am half asleep right now and have not had my coffee yet lol. 11:04:17 I literally have no other shits to give other than pointing out being censored from a group that creates unvensorable software. No more. No less. I am half asleep right now and have not had my coffee yet lol. 11:04:31 I literally have no other shits to give other than pointing out being censored from a group that creates unvensorable software. Is ironic to me. No more. No less. I am half asleep right now and have not had my coffee yet lol. 11:04:41 Dude, you're giving your two cents, I am too. Shrug. 11:04:44 I already tried to break it down for you but your 1 neuron brain won't get it. 11:04:56 One thing is monero, the other is a group, that isn't monero. 11:05:51 taco time, nicholas san oddspellingname, fluffer and your mom herself might all be chatting and censoring in here, against your moral compass, that doesn't have anything to do with monero the coin. 11:07:00 lets not distract sovereigntyman from his homework 1. how to obtain monero, and 2. research the existing options for "making it easier for people to mine and use it in business transactions" as he wishes to make a CCS proposal for it https://libera.monerologs.net/monero/20250713#c541066 11:09:14 Good point 11:09:40 I have at least 2 neurons thank you very much. 11:11:37 Both are fueled by coffee. 11:12:26 oh no qubics back at 900 mh/s 11:14:18 we must do something! release the forks! batten down the patches! Florg the tobblewomps! 11:14:33 lol 11:15:35 man the reddits blew up over that 11:17:24 Reddits is still a thing? 11:17:49 Hail qubic 🧎‍♂️ 11:17:54 Sometimes i forget thar social media networks still have millions of users. 11:18:01 billions* 11:18:04 Sometimes i forget that social media networks still have millions of users. 11:18:20 Oh that makes me want to vomit. 11:18:23 Lol 11:18:58 oh wait its gone. recall the forks. unpatch the things 11:19:29 I'm sore with reddit over the whole game stop debacle a couple years back that ended my stock trading career. 11:20:14 Damn brokerages making up their own rules and not allowing me to exist my position in time. 11:21:00 What was that group called? Wallstreetbets? 11:23:48 Offtopic 🙃 11:25:09 This is true. 11:26:18 Here is on topic. Do any good Monero CLI applications exist which have all the essential wallet features for linux? 11:27:08 Specifically for creating wallets, generating seed phrases, sending payments, and receiving payments. 11:27:18 Here is on topic. Do any good Monero CLI FOSS applications exist which have all the essential wallet features for linux? 11:42:20 monero-wallet-cli? 11:43:29 Please link me my good person. 11:43:56 getmonero.org/downloads 11:45:48 Holy shit balls. It is available for the base operating system i am using. 11:46:08 This will make this significantly easier to develop. Thank you kindly. 11:47:30 I would say "you're welcome", but i'm not sure that is the correct response here 11:52:25 You're absolutely right! 11:58:43 wallet-cli isnt what you want for development, wallet-rpc is 11:59:05 xyproblem.info strikes again 12:00:26 arent you meant to look what already exists before you start building something? or 12:01:08 Apartment not 12:01:15 Aparently not 12:01:23 Apparently not 12:01:27 Only if it's not just because you wat to do it for fun. 12:01:53 Everything is for fun 12:02:11 This is for $ 12:02:28 Or for rage, as you'll learn if you peruse the internet for a wee while :) 12:05:55 -2 12:12:45 Why? 12:15:40 https://docs.getmonero.org/interacting/overview/#interacting 12:21:54 How big is the Monero blockchain now? 12:24:49 Searching the web..... https://docs.getmonero.org/running-node/monerod-systemd/?h=gib#assumptions it appears to be approximately 220Gib (full node) and 95 Gib (pruned). Would you like me to build the payment processor using monero-wallet-cli using stdin + python subprocess still? 12:27:27 That'll be brittle. 12:27:54 <321bob321:monero.social> We need a drinking game for this question 12:28:35 Why is how big is the blockchain a common one? 12:28:49 Why? Is how big is the blockchain a common one? 12:30:31 Very, yes. But the answer changes all the time... 12:41:59 I think i only have a spare spinning rust drive big enough. 12:42:11 Not my first choice. 12:42:21 Spinning syncs *very* slowly. 12:42:39 Awesome...,. 12:44:02 <321bob321:monero.social> Ssd 12:50:00 All my ssds are currently occupied. 12:58:27 You can't censor me. I am behind 7 proxies. 12:58:58 But I will take this discussion to off-topic. 13:01:33 One last question: are there any active cypherpunk mail list anymore? with same quality of participants as it was in 2000s? 13:02:16 I miss Hal, Wei, Gavin, Satoshi, Adam. They all grew up >.< 13:02:33 (Some died, unfortunately) 13:04:06 I aM pRotEctEd bY mY mIliTaRy grAdE MaiNfRamE quAntuM FirEwaLl 13:04:10 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/YjBlPXgKlccCzjNlfAWFxtoI 13:04:31 It was meant as a joke. Do I really need to add /s? 13:09:11 Funny that banning someone on matrix is basically a minor inconvenience. 13:09:45 On IRC, it's even less. 13:10:38 I got banned the other day from a tech podcast community for asking why one episode a cast member was a man. Then the next episode they were a woman with another name. With no explanation given. 13:11:22 Whew boy I was even respectful too. Then i got attacked by a group of Chihuahuas. 13:12:03 That has nothing to do with internet censorship/monero. I suggest you stick to something at least remotely close to it. 13:12:16 Podcasts are a waste of time. 13:12:46 Of course they are. It is entertainment while working. 13:13:18 Whatever you are working on, will be futile as well. 13:13:30 "I am behind 7 proxies." "I know, I am on your computer looking at your config." 13:13:48 you again, aren't you annoying? 13:14:17 You choose how you see it :) 13:14:40 Clearly you lack sense of humor. Annoying. 13:15:08 What is a sense of humor ? 13:15:25 whats humor 13:15:31 It cannot be sensed by people without it. 13:15:48 It's like asking a blind person what's infront of them. 13:16:05 "My life". 13:16:22