01:04:19 I’ve been watching monero price movements for like 6 months, and i’ve noticed that during asian market hours it goes up 70% of the time, while during eu/us timezones it goes down most of the time 01:04:29 Why are asians stacking monero??? 01:05:16 I’ve been watching monero price movements for like 6 months, and i’ve noticed that during asian market hours it goes up 70% of the time, while during eu/us timezones it goes down, most of the time. 01:06:13 if you need some high level hosting privacy, best choice is setting on home with you hands 01:07:14 online hosting they can easily dump your VPS memory and send to police 01:07:58 lots of people, lol 01:32:10 an interesting fact: i used to be keen on using vpn based on china, because using china ip address, no geo ads on google/twitter based services 01:49:58 it good shilled on taiwanese TV recently https://xcancel.com/spirobel/status/1927937900408189374 was a very in depth report. for some reason the english speaking monero sphere didnt pay much attention 03:16:16 payment processors oh my. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5BsyS_WE1k 12:19:08 Arent asians smarter than westerners? This would be the reason 12:26:43 its becuase of their education system and their culture. 12:33:15 That has insane drawbacks though. I don't like some of the Western education systems where they'd choose comfort over ambition, but how, say, China does that is just unacceptable. We have something like that too - the unified state exams that has caused quite a few s******s. 12:33:43 S******s is what 12:33:47 Suicides? 12:34:12 Sextings :D 12:34:24 I didnt say their education system was good. Its horrible. Its just that children are so much forced onto compliance and "being smart" that they are academically, overall smarter than most westerners. 12:34:43 smart ppl choose monero 12:34:57 Th former, it's just awkward. 12:35:29 kenny44, yeah, but at what price. Also I got the impression that they get obedient as well. 12:36:12 But at what price? Children are suicidal. The system breeds hikikimoris. 12:36:17 People are anti social. 12:36:30 Especially at japan. 12:36:48 i know a south korea student overstressed and self needle pen into her eye ball, it's scared me 12:36:57 We don't have it quite to the same extent, but there is one exam that decides everything. 12:37:24 Even we have children losing their lives over it every year, can't even think about how Chinese one is. 12:37:30 C_J_K kids all overstressed on exam 12:38:02 Its also sad because they dont neccesarily gain much from it. The onces who succed in school become obedient workers, mostly. 12:38:11 ones* 12:38:42 :( 12:38:56 It thankfully wasn't as much of a problem for us, thanks to the teachers who were chill about it. Maybe it's just us being in a strong school, though, because I know some people complain it's impossible to pass just with school lessons, so a lot hire tutors. 12:39:36 Also every year there's a story of it being inconsistent in difficulty across regions. And certain regions have suspiciously many 100/100. 12:40:05 Also the fact that the most eastern regions leak the papers early despite all prcautions 12:40:24 Did yuy guys know this brilliant mind called Mark Zuckerberg spent over 45 billion dollars on this stupid platform called Horizon Worlds that no one even usess? 12:41:02 is that even alive 12:41:27 You could have provided clean drinkable water for literally everyone in this planet. Saved tens of millions of lifes. Prohibited diseases from developing. But no. 12:41:37 they created this moneypit called the metaverse 12:41:42 no one even fucking uses it its so funny 12:42:03 that does not make everyone around you look uncanny so that you seem better in comparison 12:42:29 Yeah it dosent benefit him neccesarily but it sure would have been a much better investment in humanity. 12:42:56 You could buy a controlling stake in a major defense contractor and build your own private army of autonomous drones. But he created roblox without legs. 12:46:34 <17lifers:matrix.org> vrchat is better 12:47:21 Yeah. Can you be Sans The Skeleton, Heavy Weapons Guy or Fredbear in Zucc's version? 12:51:34 <17lifers:matrix.org> NO! 12:51:46 <17lifers:matrix.org> vrchat has monerochan avatar and xmr group lmao 12:52:55 <17lifers:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/JZiOCZyGwCUXMqeGxjWuSjXZ 12:57:31 ah yes, the maginficent m_not_found, my second favorite avatar 12:59:54 <17lifers:matrix.org> . 13:00:02 <17lifers:matrix.org> stop living in the past and hop on matrix 13:00:25 <17lifers:matrix.org> okay. eye bee bee dot co. https://ibb.co/LLPybcZ 13:01:49 I do have it actually, but prefer not to be in big rooms because it stores th entire history on EVERY participating server. I can easily clean it by reinstalling, but would prefer to do it rarer. There are apparently commands for cleaning up old messages, but for media those can delee avatars as well, for example. 13:02:58 <17lifers:matrix.org> whats up with storing old history 13:03:04 <17lifers:matrix.org> too much disk usage? lol 13:03:46 I mean yeah, it adds up, not like my server's disk is that big. 13:11:41 It makes no sense to keep history that nobody is looking at 13:12:09 a cleanup once in a wile works wonders :-) 13:13:02 Also XMPP doesn't have this either, only storing the history on the "hosting" server and allowing to set a limit for that. 13:15:37 <17lifers:matrix.org> "nobody is looking at" don't you ever scroll up to see old messages sent before? xd 13:17:15 I can sometimes look up a specific old message, but it's really rare. My IRC client doesn't keep logs either, I just manually save some interesting discussions. 13:18:34 I prefer not to hoard data that I likely wouldn't be using afterwards. 13:38:33 not like 5 years back 13:39:41 usually I delete everything older than 6 months 13:45:28 my df -h: /dev/mapper/root 107G 5.7G 101G 5% / 13:46:46 without multimedia things store on disk, very low disk usage on my laptop 13:48:18 How do you not store multimedia? I assumed it was necessary for it to display. 13:49:57 I'm no longer use X11/wayland based software for a heck of loooong time, i'm using framebuffer term with UTF-8 drawing 13:53:32 maybe you have fancy display on your environment, but that's my view: https://paste.c-net.org/MiekeKiddin 13:54:01 Nah I like my GUI. 13:54:18 CLI-exclusive is for the server. 13:55:23 no, server is also deeply depends on X11 libs lol 14:38:40 I am exploring that EU ban a bit.. Seems that it's only targeted at financial institutions and service providers, not at individual users 14:39:13 They kind of miss the point a bit, it'll be illegal for institutions to offer anonymous accounts... 14:39:34 But monero people usually don't use institutions for to handle their wallet 🤦‍♂️ 14:40:43 <17lifers:matrix.org> "financial institutions and service providers" 14:40:45 <17lifers:matrix.org> rip mining pools D: 14:40:59 <17lifers:matrix.org> they provide xmr based on a mining algorithm (service provider) 14:41:07 <17lifers:matrix.org> they provide xmr based on a mining payout algorithm (service provider) 14:41:16 thanks this is terrifying 14:41:18 Just locate mining mining pool outside the EU 14:42:03 <17lifers:matrix.org> is russia in the eu (hashvault) 14:42:28 <17lifers:matrix.org> no :DDDDD 14:42:30 no russia is not in the eu 🤦‍♂️ a 14:42:34 no russia is not in the eu 🤦‍♂️ 14:42:44 it's partly in europe, that's not the same thing 14:42:45 <17lifers:matrix.org> . 14:42:53 <17lifers:matrix.org> ok i'll apt remove myself ;-; 14:43:20 how is the monero situation in vietnam? 14:43:24 XMR will continue to be legal in the UK 14:43:46 *Legal to trade and hold; illegal as a payment tool* 14:43:53 according to wikipedia 14:44:16 that's for all crypto though, not xmr specifically 14:44:23 <17lifers:matrix.org> well 14:44:26 <17lifers:matrix.org> paying is trading right 14:44:30 <17lifers:matrix.org> trade currency for product 14:44:34 The Yookay is authoritarian government now 14:45:32 Now, I think EU will just stimulate other jurisdictions to take leadership on XMR mining 14:45:52 Like China banned (BTC) mining, so US took over 14:46:17 <17lifers:matrix.org> i will ALWAYS be #1 in xmr mining >.< 14:47:01 Atomic swaps and self custody and mining from the UK, we'll be fine :D 14:47:52 <17lifers:matrix.org> step one: buy xmr vpn 14:47:53 <17lifers:matrix.org> step 2: vpn to country where thats allowed 14:47:55 <17lifers:matrix.org> step 3: mine xmr anonymously 14:48:00 <17lifers:matrix.org> its not like you'll miss that much blocks lol 14:48:06 <17lifers:matrix.org> and totally no stale shares 14:48:07 <17lifers:matrix.org> those never happen :3 14:48:35 indeed 14:48:59 I don't think mining itself will be illegal as an individual 14:49:10 <17lifers:matrix.org> mullvad is 5eur a month 14:49:11 <17lifers:matrix.org> everyone earns more than that in xmr mining 14:49:40 I wonder what will happen to Mullvad and things like that, should they stop accepting XMR? 14:49:52 Will Monerokon have to move outside UK? 14:49:56 Will Monerokon have to move outside EU? 14:50:25 <17lifers:matrix.org> virtual meeting(tm) 14:51:22 <17lifers:matrix.org> im gonna get depresso if that happens >..< 14:52:59 Yeah, we need to bribe more politicians so they work in favor not against XMR 14:54:59 <17lifers:matrix.org> mullvad is 5eur a month <- everybody gangsta until Sweden and wherever they have servers at ban it as well 14:55:02 I would set up my business in Switzerland, which is not part of the EU and much more friendly towards crypto 14:55:03 <17lifers:matrix.org> ok, you begin :3 14:55:22 <17lifers:matrix.org> oh no, they'll steal my beloved amsterdam server 14:58:37 next time Monerokon in Geneva or Lausanne 14:59:15 very good article on the matter: https://ryo.news/europes-privacy-coin-ban-impact-alternatives-and-compliance-strategies/ 15:22:57 *It's also worth noting that customer due diligence will become mandatory for all crypto transactions over €1,000. So, even if you're not using a privacy coin, the privacy window is narrowing.* 15:25:22 is there a trusted staking service for monero ? 15:25:42 by staking I mean as in investment/liquidity provision 15:30:01 <17lifers:matrix.org> make payments in chunks of 999 euros 15:30:28 YES 15:30:41 <17lifers:matrix.org> HELL YEAH 15:31:01 And list everything by "The Purchase", "The Purchase Part 2", "The Purchase DLC" 15:34:31 <17lifers:matrix.org> soon we'll get scripts to pay a certain large value in chunks below 1000 eur 15:38:46 XD 15:40:35 <17lifers:matrix.org> and thats how we have beaten the government :3 15:48:28 Yeah, well the hypocrisy is appalling. Not to long ago a family member was scammed for more than 100k in euros. The bank just let the person wire the money (digitally) without asking questions. All fiat money where AML already applies. 15:49:15 Basically the banker was in on the scam 15:51:05 Also money mules go brr 15:51:27 Also, let's not mention that all the EU politicians are granted a couple of thousand euros each month to cover expenses, that they don't have to declare 15:52:15 The biggest crooks are those lawmakers and bankers themselves, makes my blood boil. 15:52:51 They all misappropriate funds on a daily basis, hardly any questions asked 16:01:42 Fake fiat funds. Yes, corruption is at it's peak with these crooks. 16:02:31 Way to go europoor. 1k is not a big amount at all. 16:03:08 Indeed. At the moment allowed cash transactions are way higher 16:03:19 How do they plan on monitoring the transactions exactly? 16:03:59 They will create a new institution 🤷‍♂️ 16:04:00 Wouldn't it violate their pretentious privacy laws? 16:04:01 Which will cost the taxpayer millions 16:04:03 It will be based in Frankfurt 16:04:13 Yes it's very contradictory 16:04:25 The most crooked govt. Wonderful. 16:04:27 <17lifers:matrix.org> when will gdpr be reversed 16:04:45 But fiat wise, there is no financial privacy in the EU 16:05:09 How are people OK with this? And why is taler payment getting more traction? 16:05:42 Well, users don't understand or care until it's to late 16:05:58 First, Monero is the only relevant privacy coin 16:06:03 nobody uses zcash 16:06:11 Normies are the problem. Unfortunately, they comprise of majority population. 16:06:22 <17lifers:matrix.org> the twitter cryptobros do 16:06:25 and still the adoption of monero is very small compared to cash money 16:06:29 <17lifers:matrix.org> "hold zec its gonna punmp up fast!!!" 16:06:37 <17lifers:matrix.org> "hold zec its gonna pump up fast!!!" 16:06:55 I agree. But this taler payment system is being used in swiss. 16:06:55 I don't think Monero's adoption should be huge to begin with - it's only for things that can't be paid with cash, like purely digital services. 16:07:00 I think it's only 10% of the population that has crypto in some way 16:07:11 It's ridiculous to call it private or secure because it's still controlled by banks. 16:07:15 <17lifers:matrix.org> "only for things that cant be paid with cash" => xmrbazaar.com 16:07:17 And in most EU countries they are simply doing it for ALL transactions. Even under 1,000 16:07:37 Even though I believe, MiCA only mandates over 1,000. I may be mistaken though. 16:07:39 Taler is much better than cards, but it has no receiver privacy. And not very censorship-resistant. But it has a niche for sure. 16:08:07 Sure, but if privacy coins are banned in the EU, mullvad etc will have to stop accepting it, or relocate 16:08:17 17lifers, I know, but imo it's often more of a gimmick. I'd rather pay cash on reception for physical goods. 16:08:22 Exactly. The problem is "cryptobros" have essentially ruined the ideology of p2p currency. 16:08:33 and then there will be additional laws for example that 3rd countries accepting XMR can not cater to EU residents 16:08:45 It's funded by govt and has no real privacy. They control it. 16:08:47 The way were going we are losing traditional cash by mid 2030s. Hope I am wrong. 16:08:48 Also, when would they remove the AI "art" on the top of the website? Disgusting first impression, even though the site is actually good. 16:08:56 Like the age verification check for porn sites has taken effect in France 16:09:08 sbt, YES 16:09:09 <17lifers:matrix.org> not many are willing to draw for xmr lol 16:09:14 How exactly can they even ban it? It's impossible. 16:09:26 <17lifers:matrix.org> its been centuries since the newest monerochan has been uploaded to safebooru.donmai.us 16:09:36 It's sad that people using it wrong are now what the whole tech is associated with :( 16:09:37 Because if Mullvad says "we accept XMR", mullvad will face fines 16:09:59 I see. Penalise businesses you mean. 16:10:08 Exactly 16:10:16 beneficialsource, at least here thankfully I don't see that, in fact kind of the opposite. I sometimes see discounts or additional perks when paying in cash. 16:10:19 The ban will not affect individual users 16:10:25 but force the businesses to play police 16:10:31 They ban institutions using it so every use goes underground. CeXs can't offer it to clients in regions, etc. 16:10:33 Also the recent censorship from payment processors on steam and itch. 16:10:40 I wonder if XMR -> Visa gift card would be a viable option for people?.. 16:10:51 <17lifers:matrix.org> IN FRANCE TOO!?!?!!? that shit getting insane fr 16:11:11 They'll have a much harder if not impossible time banning wallets, networks, etc. 16:11:13 I do this but not very often. It's a bandaid at best. 16:11:15 It's EU law 16:11:24 Dex will prevail then. 16:11:30 So memberstates can implement to a certain extent at their own pace 16:11:54 Which is not what they are going to do 16:11:57 beneficialsource, here crypto is such a gray zone. People mostly trade p2p with various tricks to avoid getting their main bank accounts blocked. Never interacted with that because it's scary - what if the person you send money to turns out to have been considered a criminal?.. 16:12:01 They will just push it underground like you said 16:12:01 Yup. That's the goal 16:12:08 We need more user friendly DEX 16:12:16 Even converting to gift cards is still going to work, after banning CEX. 16:12:18 Something anybody can use with no knowledge 16:12:32 Retroswap is pretty good. 16:12:33 DEX has made big strides in recent years though 16:12:49 Yeah so is Trocador 16:13:03 I mentioned it before 16:13:05 Yeah it's great. 16:13:18 The community needs to make political "friends" 16:13:32 What do you mean draw? 16:13:35 "vouch" I assume 16:13:49 What's their to vouch? 16:13:58 We need people in Brussels talk to lawmakers convince them monero is not the problem. 16:14:14 Pirate party people are doing that a bit 16:14:14 Trocador is crypto to crypto, though. How would you even get the initial crypto? 16:14:44 Yeah but you're going against big powerful players. 16:14:45 And sadly currently the only people pushing any sort of adoption are the technooligarchs who do not want true DeFi. Just their own kingdoms. IMO 16:14:56 I don't think it's going to matter. Lawmakers should be completely bypassed. Cypherpunk ideology. Write liberating software, don't deal with politics. 16:14:57 <17lifers:matrix.org> everyone knows you get xmr by mining 16:15:04 <17lifers:matrix.org> everyone knows you get xmr by mining. thats the only acceptable way 16:15:11 Agreed. 16:15:16 Can't stop the signal. 16:15:47 You can't get much these days. 16:16:04 Cypherpunk is also politics 16:16:23 It doesn't hurt to have friends on your side 16:16:29 No it's not. It's all about code. 16:16:54 It's not the one or the other, in my opinion. 16:17:14 17lifters, just how realistic that is? Like, would that damage your computer? 16:17:29 I'm not saying *don't* do cypherpunk, I say do both 16:17:30 Looks all of it is a scapegoat and excuse for more mass control and surveillance anyway. 16:17:31 Anyone with any critical thinking skills knows Monero or other DeX privacy DeFi platforms are no different or more dangerous than cash. 16:17:33 The only difference is I guess the possibility to transact and transfer large amounts wherever. 16:17:36 At least from what I have noticed, there is hardly any mention of politics. From early mail lists to early bitcointalk forums posts. 16:17:57 I mean it is a political stance without talking politics 16:18:08 I guess you can say that. 16:18:09 if you do cypherpunky stuff you take a stance 16:18:44 The best way to change the world friends is to make the old world obsolete. 16:18:45 The only way, perhaps. 16:18:53 Yes, mass surveillance is crazy these days. It's nuts how people are OK with it. 16:19:47 I am just surprised that they are not attacking Tor like they used to. 16:20:21 Circumvent politics, institutions, etc. 16:20:23 At the same time, try and show light to those willing. But in terms of DeFi, P2P economics. Its extremely powerful, ingrained interests. They will never be on our side. 16:20:28 beneficialsource, yeah! There is WAY more of a trail, and we don't know what vulnerabilities may be found in the future to untangle this _permanent_ record. I see it complementing cash. 16:22:43 BlueyHealer, I don't understand 100% what you are saying 16:23:21 In terms of "we don't know what vulnerabilities may be found in the future to untangle this permanent record" are you referring to a transparent blockchain? 16:24:42 I found this, it's a very nice tracker of crypto regulations around the world: https://proeliumlaw.com/cryptocurrency-regulation-tracker/ 16:25:19 <17lifers:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/pDrpUkFFnUgHrsKSXMuityuX 16:25:21 <17lifers:matrix.org> and bookmarked 16:27:10 Personally I think a transparent blockchain is a very slippery slope. 16:27:11 Good for uses such as government books and finances, possibly democratization, voting, etc. 16:27:13 Absolutely dystopian potential for personal finances, personal records (ex healthcare), etc. 16:27:51 eddie, yeah, like being able to correlate real transactions from the record because the privacy measures turn out to be flawed. 16:30:08 I agree. The EU seems to forget that transparency of blockchains like ETH and BTC is not just for them as "law enforcer" but for everyone. 16:30:13 Yeah that's what I assume you meant. Guess we have to just rely on good solid code, and tech. Which requires good solid idealist coders and builders. I can't speak too much for code as I am not really a programmer, but its complicated to fully trust anything. 16:30:51 The unknown variable of course is what technologies the "others" have that could break or circumvent "our" technology and code. 16:31:12