08:38:31 <Guess65> when trying to a dry run wallet says Error: Ring size must not be 0 - however file with rings exist
08:38:40 <Guess65> wonder what can cause it
08:39:14 <Guess65>  /join #security
08:43:17 <Guess65> ok I will try to simply re create a wallet from the seed
09:36:09 <Guess65> i presume it was caused by running a daemon with rpc restricted 
09:36:13 <Guess65> re checking
10:45:02 <Guess65> I am trying transfer and getting an Error: Ring size must not be 0 however user have access to its home and file exist..
10:45:09 <Guess65> what might be causing it?
10:57:49 <plowsof> Guess65 are you using latest version of monero-wallet-cli from getmonero.org . if i want to send 0.1 monero to bob. and bob tells me his address is 123BobsAddress. then in  the cli i type "transfer 123BobsAddress 0.1" 
11:02:00 <Guess65> yes
11:02:05 <Guess65> it keeps saying Error: Ring size must not be 0
11:04:29 <Guess65> ok retrying - i am sending to same wallet sub address
11:07:55 <Guess65> its just a command syntax is wrong :)
11:08:01 <Guess65> my command syntax
11:14:05 <Guess65> Error: Invalid last argument: do_not_relay hmm
11:14:13 <Guess65> is do not relay still enabled?
11:16:51 <plowsof> what do you want to test / do. show me the entire command you are entering into the cli , replace the send to address with ADDRESS or something
11:16:54 <Guess65> I am playing with all possible scenarious to make transfers 100% anon :)
11:17:12 <plowsof> yes it will be a syntax issue 
11:17:29 <plowsof> do_not_relay is a start up flag command IIRC?
11:17:43 <Guess65> I simply think how to transfer funds from a to b in a way that b is unlinkable to a
11:17:45 <Guess65> what so ever
11:18:16 <moneromooo> How would you know whether something is more or less anon if you're poking around without knowing what you are doing ? I'd just follow best practices and not deviate unless you're sure you undertand the consequences of those deviations.
11:18:25 <plowsof> ./monero-wallet-cli --help | grep relay 
11:18:56 <moneromooo> For best practices, make sure to find more than one corroboration for any you find. Many people are wrong in the internet.
11:19:11 <Guess65> we can discuss it here
11:20:23 <moneromooo> Discussion implies knowing how to ask questions. State clearly what you did, what happened, what you expected instead. You're missing the first step.
11:21:43 <moneromooo> In any case, --do-not-relay is a command line parameter. Your line mentioning it looks suspiciosly like you tried to use it in a transfer command (but again, no clear statement of what you did so I'm guessing).
11:21:43 <Guess65> reading how monero works, checking code
11:22:05 <moneromooo> OK. I kinda meant at a lower level...
11:22:23 <Guess65> yes in transfer command idea was to transfer without relaying :)
11:23:00 <Guess65> also maybe it is best to simply use something like sweep single every time?
11:23:03 <Guess65> zero change
11:23:04 <moneromooo> (unless it got added as a transfer param recently, also possible)
11:23:52 <moneromooo> sweep_single will not create "real" change, but will also send all your output. If you're paying yourself, this is ok.
11:24:45 <moneromooo> Note that there's no settled best practices about churning. It might help, be neutral, or hinder, depending on the circumstanes.
11:25:21 <Guess65> surely there is one size fit all best practise?
11:25:39 <moneromooo> You're new at life, aren't you ? :)
11:25:59 <moneromooo> Or older and adept at sarcasm :D
11:26:31 <moneromooo> There's seldom a one size fits all for problems worth solving.
11:27:20 <moneromooo> One size fits most is more common, but dangerous when you want to avoid privacy leaks while experimenting.
11:30:12 <moneromooo> Sorry if this read a bit curt but it is very easy to fuck things up without realizing in security/privacy. Happens to me and I've been around for ages.
11:32:43 <Guess65> reading https://np.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ba8lez/onchain_tracking_of_monero_and_other_cryptonotes/ :)
11:33:03 <Guess65> monero seems to be fairly complicated when it comes to understanding it 100%
11:33:26 <Guess65> maybe some animated video on the subject could help. to visualise it all
11:43:36 <Guess65> is there some math proof that under certain conditions transfer from a to b is 100% unlinkable?
12:33:11 <m-relay> <m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> is there a reason to use retroswap vs cake or any other noncustodial transfers over tor?
12:35:45 <m-relay> <m​atrixuser2175:matrix.org> *retoswap
12:39:00 <moneromooo> Decentralization ?
12:39:07 <Guess65> when sweep all is used - there is zero change?
12:39:19 <Guess65> was looking into sweep single too yet to work :)
12:42:55 <Guess65> as to privacy open shared privacy is stronger
12:43:06 <moneromooo> There is zero change. It gets sent to a random address, which is exceedingly unlikely to be yousr.
12:43:42 <moneromooo> That is, a second output of amout 0 is created and "lost". So the tx looks "normal" to an outsier.
12:44:22 <Guess65> if user sweeps multiple sub addresses - and fee is a bit lower at the end wont change be send back to that address?
12:44:35 <Guess65> very new to monero so yes many questions
12:45:14 <Guess65> it seems that is it better to use sweep single yet to see how to make it work. send one single output
12:46:08 <Guess65> it needs at very least index the input? the sweep single command
12:47:11 <Guess65> Error: usage: sweep_single [<priority>] [<ring_size>] [outputs=<N>] <key_image> <address> [<payment_id (obsolete)> sweep_single key image address can work? yet to dig the key image out
12:50:30 <m-relay> <a​lexandre:uii.pt> Hmm, I'm getting a bunch of "ZMQReader disconnected from ..." on p2pool with gupax, unstable connection?
12:52:42 <ruidx> `Guess65 | if user sweeps multiple sub addresses - and fee is a bit lower at the end wont change` <- you first build tx, it calculates it size and gives you fee amount, then you broadcast transaction to the network, already built tx can't change it's fee
12:56:21 <ruidx> actually, if you don't relay it instantly, but under the hood it's how it works, fee is paid by transaction size in bytes, that's the point
13:01:37 <Guess65> ok ty
14:41:51 <m-relay> <f​ullninja:matrix.org> time to take monero marketing seriously. To grow the monero's economy, security and funding.
14:41:53 <m-relay> <f​ullninja:matrix.org> Join the marketing team
14:41:55 <m-relay> <f​ullninja:matrix.org> https://matrix.to/#/#moneromarketing:matrix.org
14:50:03 <quantum`> I am getting pretty sorry hashing rates on this AMD EPYC.  I have disabled prefetch in BIOS and denicated 55 threads.
14:50:39 <quantum`> Somewhere I found this analysis which comes up with a bell-curve:  https://www.zerobin.net/?e1ef070ee229d944#dWh/OZteXtK7X7kxHHQX2vP5lzovD9wIccsuxax9U/M=
14:50:47 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> are you using the correct memory speeds and slots for your cpus
14:50:50 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> are you using the correct memory speeds and slots for your cpu
14:51:10 <quantum`> Idk.  How would I determine this?
14:51:40 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> see if all memory slots are filled up
14:51:55 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> using windows? can be done in task manager performance memory
14:51:56 <quantum`> No, I believe two our of four.
14:52:09 <quantum`> Debian Linux.
14:52:23 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> you need to have all the slots filled up for the best hashrate
14:52:43 <quantum`> IOW so they can interleave?
14:53:01 <quantum`> Two should interleave.
14:54:23 <nioc> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> you need to have all the slots filled up for the best hashrate <<>> is epyc quad channel
14:55:13 <quantum`> Idk
14:55:45 <quantum`> I am trying to get lshw installed now.
14:56:43 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> yes nioc
14:56:46 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> there was also another guy with the issue
14:56:52 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> https://old.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining/comments/1lpj55g/my_new_amd_epyc_9654_server_is_only_hashing_at/
14:57:01 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> also didnt have all slots filled
14:57:30 <nioc> thought so since it's server
14:57:34 <nioc> cpu
15:00:08 <quantum`> lshw doesn't say how many memory lanes it has.  EPYC 7542
15:01:59 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> so
15:02:00 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> fill em up
15:02:01 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> (NOT LIKE THAT)
15:02:03 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> but ok
15:02:33 <quantum`> Looks like I have only one shot out of four populated.
15:02:55 <quantum`> Memory Bus: 	Eight-channe
15:03:02 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> 💀
15:03:50 <quantum`> I am broke tho...  :(
15:04:37 <quantum`> I am pinning only 48 of the 55 hreads dedicated to this VM.
15:04:59 <quantum`> I'll pin all 55.
15:05:14 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> you can afford epyc but not memory for it
15:05:38 <nioc> https://www.amd.com/content/dam/amd/en/documents/epyc-technical-docs/other/56301-memory-population-guidelines-epyc-processors.pdf
15:05:57 <quantum`> Everyone has different limitations at various points in their life.  It's part of being a grown-up.
15:06:07 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> yes
15:06:10 <nioc> the entire knowledge of the human race is at your fingertips
15:06:13 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/AsbRvKPZcfQZRyAIzNCpAsKa
15:06:23 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> "To achieve the maximum memory capacity per CPU, populate both DIMM slots with 16 128GB
15:06:23 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> LRDIMMs. This configuration will provide a total of 2TB of memory per CPU."
15:06:28 <quantum`> This is not a chink in my armor, if that's what you're looking for...
15:07:26 <nioc> you don't need maximum memory capacity, you need to use all the channels, not the slots, the channels
15:07:48 <quantum`> Sounds more right.  But how?
15:08:04 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> buy 16 sticks
15:08:05 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> cant be any easierr
15:08:20 <quantum`> Only 4 shots.
15:08:32 <quantum`> ... and I'm broke.
15:08:54 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> not broke for that epyc you got?
15:09:04 <quantum`> pfff
15:09:37 <nioc> sometimes slots = channels sometimes you get 2 slots/channel
15:09:54 <quantum`> I'm going to pin the added CPUs.
15:09:59 <plowsof> it was given as a family heirloom 
15:11:33 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> lmao
15:12:05 <quantum`> Everyone has different limitations at various points in their life.  It's part of being a grown-up, kids.
15:12:19 <quantum`> This is not a chink in my armor, if that's what you're looking for...
15:24:02 <quantum`> Ok, CPUs pinned so as to not have cache collisions.
15:26:59 <quantum`> Re-synced.  Trying 53 threads, one process.
15:28:33 <m-relay> <e​ddie:oblak.be> So if you don't add enough RAM the CPU underperforms?
15:29:41 <quantum`> Huge pages.  3,951H/s
15:32:44 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> these are just the ram limits. gotta have all the possible slots filled up amount odesnt matter
15:32:46 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> these are just the ram limits. gotta have all the possible slots filled up amount doesnt matter
15:33:43 <quantum`> Split into two processes now...
15:35:19 <m-relay> <e​ddie:oblak.be> still, you need to fill all the slot, I didn't know that
15:35:31 <quantum`> I don't buy the 'full slots' theory without citation.
15:35:47 <quantum`> Proof pls.
15:36:13 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> the citation is this reddit post with a similar epyc cpu. https://old.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining/comments/1lpj55g/my_new_amd_epyc_9654_server_is_only_hashing_at/
15:36:17 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> are you unable to open it or something
15:36:19 <quantum`> The only thing justifying more than one slot is inteleaving, and that means two or four.
15:36:51 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> ok, stay hashing low
15:37:17 <m-relay> <e​ddie:oblak.be> Reddit is not proof 😂
15:37:57 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> ok, stay hashing low, stop convincing this guy to upgrade
15:38:12 <quantum`> Two processes, lower performance.
15:40:58 <quantum`> Trying three processes...
15:41:48 <quantum`> 1​7lifers, while I understand your word has been handed down by God, science trumps God.
15:42:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Racist
15:43:14 <moneromooo> Someone's getting really close to my /ignore list. The more /ignore lists you end up on, the fewer people may be around to help when you ask.
15:45:04 <quantum`> Assuming that was intended for me, I will stop updates of actual tests.
15:47:11 <quantum`> When speaking and asking for Science...  is sanctioned, that is a toxic and political environment.
15:48:16 <quantum`> 1​7lifers is actually hiding, so I can't put him on Ignore.
15:52:21 <quantum`> At least I have my answer.
15:52:39 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bro needs a diary
16:17:16 <m-relay> <a​lexandre:uii.pt> oh, i was just having a hand warmer apparently 😅 
16:17:17 <m-relay> <a​lexandre:uii.pt> using a public p2pool node it seems to be stable, have to troubleshoot my local node
16:49:26 <m-relay> <s​bt:nope.chat> You are more annoying than him.
16:49:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> sbt, watch your mouth
16:50:08 <m-relay> <s​bt:nope.chat> What? Your gonna ban me for giving my opinion?
16:50:24 <m-relay> <s​bt:nope.chat> That would be ironic.
16:54:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Respect is earned, and your opinion on the matter about as good as quantums. Put some respect on the goats name. Maybe annoying to you, being around for 14.5 seconds, but anybody who is anybody knows the value of their input on and contributions. I can't say the same for you
16:59:39 <m-relay> <s​bt:nope.chat> Constantly telling about his ignore list is annoying. He's doing the opposite of ignoring.
17:02:46 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Benefit of doubt was given to quantum, leading to him ignoring me (and now i don't have to help him). Now getting himself on mooo's ignore list, and also ignoring 17lifers, means quantum has lost the help of 3 people and is still running in circles weeks later
17:34:23 <moneromooo> It's supposed to help people who genuinely aren't jerks. It's a bit curt, but not *too* much. Assholes will blow up, non assholes will tone it down a bit. I think it's a useful thing to say.
17:34:44 <moneromooo> If you find that annoying, use your /ignore list.
17:35:29 <moneromooo> You can trip on, say, "moneromooo.*ignore". You're welcome.
17:35:41 * moneromooo likes the /ignore command
17:35:59 <m-relay> <s​bt:nope.chat> No such thing on matrix.
17:36:04 <m-relay> <s​bt:nope.chat> Or at least not that I'm aware of.
17:40:16 <m-relay> <e​ddie:oblak.be> it exists
17:40:18 <m-relay> <e​ddie:oblak.be> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/oblak.be/wugfLgIaLMgKMPguHLbFdnWn
17:40:53 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> And it's half broken too, on matrix.
17:40:55 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> It work but the reply of ignored messages show differently depending of the client
17:41:06 <m-relay> <e​ddie:oblak.be> But I think you would ignore the whole IRC bridge
17:41:31 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> yes, actually, the irc bridge here don't do a 1:1 mapping
17:41:33 <m-relay> <s​bt:nope.chat> Well, I mean for IRC. Yeah, ignoring the whole bridge is moot.
17:41:44 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> so yes, it will ignore whole irc if you block it from matrix
17:42:03 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> And other side too actually
17:42:33 <m-relay> <s​bt:nope.chat> That's weird.
17:42:44 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> M-Relay is only "one user"
17:42:55 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> you ignore it, you ignore anything that "one user" write
17:43:02 <m-relay> <s​bt:nope.chat> Apart from IRC I meant.
17:43:14 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> yeah, on Element X it show reply with homeserver erroring with 404
17:43:35 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> and on Nheko it show a reply to "unsupported"
17:43:48 <m-relay> <s​bt:nope.chat> Sad. Element X is really good tho.
17:44:06 <m-relay> <s​bt:nope.chat> UX is far better than any other client.
17:44:09 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> It does not even have a message search
17:44:15 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> so when I get a ping it's like, who pigned
17:44:26 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> not going to scroll 5 minutes to find the ping
17:44:49 <m-relay> <s​bt:nope.chat> Plus some other features like adding a home server. It's still in development.
17:45:04 <m-relay> <s​bt:nope.chat> But it's looking good so far.
17:45:10 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> you mean, the fact that you can't subsribe to a home server?
17:45:30 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> you have to use a client for adult, subscribe, then you can login with element x
17:45:35 <moneromooo> For matrix/whatever, I typically /ignore the "<nick:domain>" string, not the whole m-relay nick.
17:45:45 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> The only advantage of element x is well, it sync fast
17:45:52 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> it's why I use it on my phone actually
17:46:03 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> but I do most of the actions on my PC anyway
17:46:55 <m-relay> <s​bt:nope.chat> No. Adding a new homeserver and seeing it's rooms. Like you can do with element.
17:47:53 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Oh yeah that.
17:47:53 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Can you join room from other homeserver with X now?
17:47:55 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Last time I tried it did not work, got to get invited to the room, or walk to the PC and join the room using normal Element or Nheko, then it show up on element X.
17:48:18 <nioc> I have a scroll wheel
17:48:41 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> I can't even search emojis, can't use 🔢 for emojiing, can't use custom emojos...
17:49:11 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Normal client on PC are fine, I mean, even if "it sync slower", considering it's on most of the time it does not matter really
17:49:42 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Your scroll wheel is latching or traditional?
17:58:18 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> if on mobile use neochat
17:58:22 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> emojia and spaces supported ^_^
17:58:28 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> download from kde's nightly fdroid repo
18:11:52 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Do they even have an android version?
18:11:53 <m-relay> <r​avfx:xmr.mx> Does not look like very mobile optimized
18:14:58 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> yes? i have it installed on my h4x0rph0ne
18:15:00 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> emojis and spaces supported ^\_^
18:15:27 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/EofanCNQCNoIIhaBfemjoBfE
18:15:38 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> looks like ^
22:05:07 <m-relay> <f​ullninja:matrix.org> time to take monero marketing seriously. To grow monero's economy, security and funding.
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