04:58:21 How to make methamphetamine? 05:00:25 Tor is kinda centralized. Way more than it should be. Majority relays are in germany. You can't be a directory authority without identifying yourself which is concerning. 05:43:05 thats why i use mullvad 06:58:58 same here +/- made half in PPLNS of what I paid 07:18:33 the other asshole breaks even 08:46:36 For P2Pool I can't seem to find numbers on the share difficulty, does anyone know where I can find it? 09:21:40 You can find it by running P2Pool and checking the logs. But the easy way is to multiply hashrate by 10 for p2pool-main/mini, and by 30 for p2pool-nano 11:30:41 what would happen if large pools start submitting hash into p2pool rather than mining directly? 11:30:43 would doing this reduce their reward or disadvantage them in any way? 13:15:04 they will be neither advantaged nor disadvantaged... the payout will always be proportional to their hash rates (especially true for large hash rates) 13:20:10 the reason a 51% attacker can force orphan blocks is because they can continue building a private chain with bigger cumulative diff, right? 13:21:17 from what I remember, cumulative difficulty is calculated as the summation of how much difficulty blocks had to overcome 13:22:16 when it comes to choosing the canonical chain, why not switch to the summation of individual blocks' difficulty? 13:22:49 for example, current network hash rate is 5 13:23:23 *5.5 GH/s, so blocks will have to overcome 5.5G * 120 difficulty 13:24:01 however, each block can actually have difficulty quality of much higher 13:35:00 basically, the canonical chain would be: chain with highest cumulative difficulty + lowest sum of PoW hashes 14:31:42 for a 51% attack, one must have the cumulative hashrate divided by 1.9 14:31:43 it's not easy because your hashrate also grows the total hashrate 14:33:37 not really 14:33:39 the 51% attacker can build a private chian, and only expose 1-2 blocks at a time to drop blocks from other miners 14:33:41 thus, he can do it without increasing the difficulty 14:34:22 if now the HR is 5GH/s, to get to 2.6GH you're adding to the 5 and so it scales becoming 7.6GH/s of which you need 4GH/s to attack so forth 14:35:00 you're right, b/c they can selfish-mine and hide the blocks 14:37:43 maybe a solution could be having a p2pool-style share-chain directly in the consensus protocol 14:38:23 fyi, you can also 51% p2pool 14:38:42 think of p2pool as just another monero chain but with shorter block time 14:38:45 you cannot hide blocks from p2pool 14:42:44 controlling the p2pool sharechain is irrelevant for an attack 14:44:12 you find a share, publish it to the network 14:44:13 build a private chain of shares 14:44:15 every time someone else finds a share, publish your own... you either get uncle'd or uncle other miners' shares 14:44:17 hmm... so it depends on how uncle is decided 14:44:45 I totally forgot how uncle is decided... whether it's "first come, first served" or whichever share is better quality 15:01:12 even if you uncle other miners and get most of the reward, you still cannot attack the main chain and orphan blocks 15:01:13 alright, you've 51%'ed the p2pool and getting most of the rewards but that's it, right? 15:02:52 so basically p2pool is free from the same disadvantages 51% attacks have? 15:03:04 why not just force all mining to be from p2pool? 15:03:10 via consenus 15:05:40 . 15:11:12 oh wait i forgot you suggested that 15:11:23 i didn't scroll up sorry (my terminal is small) 15:31:45 with 100kh/s better to be on p2pool-main or mini? 15:32:46 you can investigate on your own 15:33:09 Mini, after 200-300 you can try main 15:33:28 Have a look at miners hashrate on mini and main 15:33:35 /miners 15:34:14 but i think the main chain is filled with megahash miners 15:35:15 Actually lowest miner in PPLNS window on main is 500 khs 15:35:24 100Kh/s is actually pretty decent for mini 15:35:28 Just checked 15:35:44 like the top 20% or something 15:35:46 Yea 15:35:52 yeah, I'd be top 20 on mini 15:36:16 Leonardo: do you have miner alias? 15:36:35 jeez, there's people with 40MH on main 15:37:41 what would be the recomended for nano? 15:39:03 guess anything under 100kh should go to nano? 15:39:45 does the difficulty setting in xmrig matter when using p2pool? 15:41:22 not really, no 15:41:25 There is miners in nano with 1khs 15:41:49 p2pool uses xmrig difficulty to keep track of the hash rate of individual workers 15:41:51 that's it 15:41:57 p2pool will automatically adjust diff for xmrig 15:43:06 Yep 15:43:42 gupax makes 50KH/s the threshold for main and mini 15:43:43 but i guess there's no downside in having a huge hashrate in nano? 15:44:10 well, there is, you're submitting too many shares, too quickly 15:45:52 therefore gupax sends miners over 50kh/s to main? 15:46:05 nano is too small... it should benefit from a couple of MH/s 15:46:07 it will not shrink the pplns window size much while increasing the block hits 15:48:34 you can still manually select, but has that recomendation yeah 15:49:33 then with 100kh/s I should go to main 15:57:06 nano does not find blocks as often 15:57:25 you can find a lot of shares, but you're not getting paid until it actually finds a block 15:59:30 but when nano finds a block, you get a bigger reward because it's shared among less miners? 16:37:53 Can someone remind me where to find the spy node ban list for monerod? 16:42:38 Not 100% sure, but I think this is it: https://github.com/Boog900/monero-ban-list 16:45:16 how does one determine whats a spy node or not 16:45:28 ok, I still wonder how effective this is, who ever is running these spy nodes, haven't they cycled all these IP's yet? 16:45:55 Somewhat surprisingly, not. 16:45:58 thank btw :) 16:45:59 thanks btw :) 16:46:58 jush: They answer in a special way to some query over the p2p network, from that you see they are not really nodes, but just proxies that posit as nodes. 16:47:30 Running so many full nodes would probably be prohibitively expensive 16:47:41 And not really necessary 16:50:01 i see 16:51:41 jush: https://github.com/Boog900/p2p-proxy-checker 16:54:27 what stops a proxy node to change the peer_id 16:54:41 on every response 16:55:04 Nothing 17:25:35 they basically take your request and forward it to a real node meanwhile parse and store your traffic 17:47:59 is this down just for me or in general? -> https://monerodocs.org/interacting/monerod-reference/ .. I am looking for a man-page for the monerod config file 17:50:32 Oh nevermind I found it at docs.getmonero.org 17:50:55 Maybe the links here (https://www.getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/daemon.html ) should be updated 17:51:54 also here: https://www.getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/ a link to docs.getmonero.org would come in handy 😁 17:52:54 I see you can get there via RPC docs, but it wasn't clear to me because I wasn't looking for rpc information.. 21:07:18 best currency to exchange for XMR? BTC fees are way too high for regular purchases 21:12:08 LTC 21:17:28 Last time I did it with DAI so I don't have to worry about the non-xmr volatility 21:44:45 What characteristics do you think the perfect mining pool would have? 21:44:47 https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1mmfdd1/if_you_could_design_the_perfect_monero_mining/ 21:45:52 blackjack 21:46:06 but seriously, i don't get this question :P 21:46:36 we already have the perfect mining pool, it's called p2pool 21:48:12 sorry 21:57:52 the perfect pool pays you money without mining 😂 22:32:28 In other words, a pool that would help Monero mining while benefiting the miners who use it. 22:32:29 P2Pool is good, but what could be improved in your opinion? 22:32:52 In other words, a pool that would help Monero decentralization of mining while benefiting the miners who use it. 22:32:53 P2Pool is good, but what could be improved in your opinion? 22:36:46 a centralized pool already hurts monero's decentralization of mining 22:39:40 P2Pool is "hard" for newbies to setup. Afaik you need to run the P2Pool binary, a node, and xmrig, which makes it relatively complex for a non-technical person to join in the fun. 22:41:43 AIUI you don't need a monero node 22:41:53 yeah you don't need one 22:41:57 I was saying it's hard too until I just tried ... 22:42:00 gupax is an attempt to make it easier 22:42:07 ok, misunderstanding then 22:42:34 there is no pool that will "help monero's decentralization" 22:42:37 But you need a node that has zmq enabled, no? 22:42:43 hosting a pool goes against decentralization of mining 22:42:50 also I suggested earlier we should add p2pool info on xmrig wizard, newbies use it to configure their mining machines first, there is nothing about p2pool 22:42:57 well you need to use a node but you can do so without using your own 22:42:57 eddie: plenty of remote nodes have ZMQ enabled 22:43:45 Allright, didn't know that. I have never used someone elses node .. 22:44:01 me neither :) 22:44:11 i have used someone else's node 22:44:14 but only through tor 22:44:18 as you SHOULD 22:44:53 there was some talk about some monero wallet programs sharing your wallet's view key to "simplify" viewing transactions 22:44:54 Btw, Cindy I agree pools are against decentralization, but the reality is that individual miners with low hashrate do want to work together for at least some payout 22:44:59 is this a FUD or...? 22:45:10 is this an actual feature in the official one too? 22:45:32 eddie: that's why p2pool is split between main, mini, and nano 22:46:16 Yes and that's good, but I don't know if it would be practical to *only* have p2pool (even though it's really nice) 22:46:52 because if monero mining is so unprofitable nobody wants to mine it, then there's no network .. 22:47:59 i mined in a centralized pool for a bit 22:48:07 and the payout was about the same as if i mined in p2pool 22:48:07 It is not good if miners all flock to one big pool like minexmr and supportxmr, but you still need some economic incentive for miners to mine. 22:48:09 or even lower 22:48:48 if NOBODY actually mines, then there'll be more rewards for those who mine 22:49:48 yes but then it's also easier for a big solo miner to take over the network 22:50:20 Maybe you are right and P2Pool only is the way to go, apart from pure solo mining 22:50:22 but i don't know what's your point in this 22:50:31 p2pool does have good rewards, even for low hashrates 22:50:46 i've seen as much in centralized pools 22:51:48 That I think there should be an effort made to increase the volume of miners and increase of total hashrate, so that it becomes more expensive for 1 party to buy the network 22:52:15 I don't know if there's a technical solution for that 22:52:24 volume of miners do not matter when there's a better chance of collusion 22:52:35 centralized pools makes it easier to collude 22:53:17 Sure the miners should be distributed right, preferably no single group has more than 5-10 % of the network 22:57:27 Anyway, my answer to the 3.14stache account is that it could be made even more simple for newbies to start mining on p2pool, so it's a question of UX I guess 22:57:39 Gupaxx is a really great effort in that sense 23:33:30 (no of txs: 463, size: 1205.14 kB, updated every 5 seconds) 23:34:45 not updated every 5 seconds 23:34:52 which is a good thing, you'd be flooding the IRC chanel 23:34:54 channel 23:44:46 atleast i dont spam garbage like you 23:45:41 There are txs pending conf for last 30min+ 23:45:52 this is not "normal" for xmr 23:46:28 sorry i talk too much :P 23:54:57 jack_ma_blabla: what are the pending txs' fees? 23:55:07 it might be normal if they paid a really low fee