01:24:12 thank you, thought so as well and had a wallet prepared 02:45:52 Fee (per_kB): 0.000278520000 02:49:30 Just need gupaxx 03:35:29 Guys can we start creating memecoins and merge mine them to Monero ? 03:35:44 Why don’t we have a moneroChan memecoin?? 03:36:28 Look at Tari what happens when botnets play 03:37:48 The problem with tari is that it was supposed to solve problems that don’t exist 03:38:11 A memecoin exist only for ngu 04:02:00 We had wownero and it didn’t work out, we can’t even have ngu on xmr; shilling a meme coin is unimaginable 04:02:20 Don’t buy Monero is a real ethos of monero community 04:21:41 I’m say this and I’m gonna go sleep, we should thank the qubitards bacouse they raised a problem that has always been present, and it has given us the oppurtunity to have import discussions that maybe we would have had too late 04:34:52 There's a severe vulnerability in synapse, it's advised to quickly upgrade the room: https://matrix.org/blog/2025/08/security-release/ 04:35:27 Hi i want to transact crypto without trace 04:36:32 How 04:36:53 Considering you ask then you already technically leaving traces. 04:36:55 Monero is private but it all depend where you come from (other coins, exchange, etc, etc) 04:36:57 And leaving details of them hmmm 04:37:49 What, they said monero can help you to transact without trace 04:38:04 Yes, it does, just using monero, as simple as that 04:38:28 Where is monero 04:38:38 Yeah, that is your issue right? You don't know where to obtain them? 04:38:49 Yes 04:38:57 If you have internet connection everywhere 04:39:20 The basics are using your own onion node and transacting monero. To buy some, use retroswap. 04:39:26 Isn't monero an exchange giving you wallets? 04:39:43 or things like unstoppable swap assuing you already have bitcoin 04:39:52 The easy way to buy Monero is install cakewallet and swap whatever currency to monero 04:39:53 Read the docs first before asking things. 04:40:01 no 04:40:08 you can use a wallet, ideally listed on getmonero.org 04:40:28 Monero GUI or Featherwallet are the one I recommand (on PC) 04:40:55 On mobile 04:41:02 https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#gui 04:41:03 https://featherwallet.org/ 04:41:12 chatgpt can even answer your question 04:41:49 So monero is an untraceable currency not a wallet 04:42:01 on mobile you have Cake Wallet, Stack, and Monerujo 04:42:09 Yes, monero is the currency, you have many wallet options 04:42:52 I would trust qwen better, use less ressources 👨‍👩‍👦 04:43:01 I would trust qwen better, use less ressources 😂 04:44:25 So first i should buy a crypto like trx and swap it with monero and then get it in my own local wallet to have real cash 04:44:57 What are the exact stepts to be annynamous 04:46:52 Lol forget about my qwen comment, at least the 14B mobiles I just ran local, it's garbage 😂 04:46:55 Anonymity is not black and white. You need patience and discipline to follow extreme isolation. 04:47:03 Lol forget about my qwen comment, at least the 14B modele I just ran local, it's garbage 😂 04:47:31 llama 7B is fine. 04:48:31 Qwen3 14B, in order, recomanded Monero Mobile (Official), MyMonero, Monero Wallet (Mobile) by Monero Project, Hardware Wallet Integration, XMRWallet 04:48:34 Checsum help me goverment is looking for me cuase im a fisher 04:49:14 I have installed cake wallet chosen cake wallet 04:51:38 I have installed cake wallet chosen monero currency 05:17:11 Just seen in the console log of one of my daemons, happened a few hours ago: a 7-block reorg 05:17:55 7 and a 6 05:23:07 Monerobull has the info and the picture, without that it did not happen after all :) https://x.com/monerobull/status/1955044886232666202?t=gAaD5ziFnlAjEDIWUh7BSw 05:46:04 a question. If a tx was originally included in the xmr chain, but the attacker orphaned the chain, when the tx has not yet entered into the new chain, at this time, can the tx sender increase the fee to double spend the money?such as sending the money back to his own address? 05:52:33 Pretty sure the answer is "no". Even in this orphaning scenario every attempt to spend the same enotes again, with different fee or destination, will just get refused as a double spend attempt by the network. 05:56:11 Right. Monero doesnt have rbf 05:56:38 Only if they orphaned 10+ blocks and previous tx becomes invalid 05:56:58 The tx would still be in the pool iirc 05:57:31 Wouldn’t that be an invalid tx ? And drops after 48hrs? 05:57:52 Does a 10 block reorg actually invalidate the tx? Or only if it referenced a decoy from the 11th block? 06:00:01 Referenced decoy from 11th block 06:01:39 Soon exchanges/vendors will need 100+ conf then 1000+ conf 😅 06:01:57 /s 06:05:08 Its not rrslly /s. tradeogre had like 80-100 confs for wownero 06:05:18 Wownero block time is 5min 06:05:51 And kraken had like 30 confs for bch 06:06:14 I added /s on purpose 06:06:37 Yeah, but it's not sarcasm 06:06:47 I know 06:06:50 Its a realistic outcome 06:07:08 We are going there along with cheaper price to miner monero 06:07:11 Happy mining 06:07:46 We are going there along with cheaper price to mine monero 06:08:36 GF can be used to buy hardware when gf fund value is a fraction 06:08:44 🚀 06:09:37 Didn’t expect xmr was this shitty n prone to attack, there will never be a bottom to xmrbtc pair 06:10:07 Don’t buy monero was real, should have listened to fluffy 06:13:29 Thanks for your reply. That is to say, even if a tx is still in mempool, another tx with the same keyimage will be rejected when entering mempool. Am i right? 06:13:49 Yes 06:39:19 monerobros is it over 06:41:23 No bounties on qubic ? I thought it was used on dark nets lol 06:41:39 Yes, it’s over 06:42:07 Ppl on X have confirmed attack without any knowledge 06:42:11 So it must be real 06:42:23 Ppl on X have confirmed 51% attack without any knowledge 06:47:51 psyops 06:49:56 Always has been but it’s real 06:55:34 curry guo, [Aug 12, 2025 at 14:44:31]: 06:55:35 When broadcasting a transaction, it reports 'Failed to commit tx.' Could you please help check it? 06:55:37 The logs show a 'Double spend' error, which used to occur rarely but has become more frequent in the past two days. 06:55:42 When broadcasting a transaction, it reports 'Failed to commit tx.' Could you please help check it? 06:55:43 The logs show a 'Double spend' error, which used to occur rarely but has become more frequent in the past two days. 06:57:52 It means the node that you sent the tx to, has already seem the transaction 06:59:05 you can a) try a different node or b) see if the tx has been confirmed 07:00:41 I get the general idea. What can I do to prevent this problem from occurring again? 07:01:54 Use localnode 07:03:07 Currently, I am using a local node 07:11:55 How did you run into this problem? 07:14:02 The error just means that the tx has already been sent. Did you try to send the same tx twice? 07:15:29 No, it should be that the later constructed transaction used an unspent output that has already been spent. 07:16:12 But what's strange is that I don't manage the outputs myself; the node selects the outputs automatically. So why would there still be duplicates? 07:17:01 The wallet selects the outputs. Are you using monero-gui? 07:18:49 No, I'm using the node's RPC . 07:19:31 monero-wallet-rpc 07:32:56 Hm. Strange 07:33:32 Wallet rpc should sync properly, pickup the transaction and stop trying to re-use the key image 07:35:17 Has the node been updated recently? I rarely encountered this issue before, but it has been happening more frequently lately. 07:35:28 Did the tx fail? Still not confirmed? 07:35:29 2 options: a) flush_txpool on the node, then resubmit the tx, or b) resync the wallet 07:35:31 If you know the txid, you can look it up on a block explorer to see if it is a) confirmed b) unknown 07:36:05 Are you using any flags like --tx-proxy? 07:36:57 If so, poor tor connectivity will cause the tx to get stuck. 07:37:09 The transaction is unknown on the block explorer. 07:37:51 then its likely stuck in your nodes txpool due to connectivity. Do you use tx-proxy? 07:38:43 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/WgoUvKynOLbeJmAysQdHmLvE 07:39:37 No, I don’t have the tx-proxy parameter and I’m not using it. 07:41:15 I misunderstood; tx-proxy is not enabled. 07:41:19 tx-proxy is a parameter on monerod 07:41:52 A flag, like `--tx-proxy=tor,127.0.0.1:9050` 07:42:14 This can cause tx relay issues if tor cannot connect to onion addresses 07:42:54 Is this the node startup command? 07:48:02 Is this the node startup command? 07:48:27 /root/monero/monerod --hide-my-port --non-interactive --confirm-external-bind 07:54:25 Strange that your node did not relay the tx. since it doesnt appear on block explorers, it likely hasnt left your computer. You can try to flush the txpool and re-send the tx, or connect to a different node and resend 07:54:43 I havent had this issue and i use wallet-rpc pretty heavily 07:56:44 The key image of this transaction has already been spent, so it should not be broadcasted again. 07:57:22 I mainly want to ask, why is a key image that has already been spent being spent again? 07:58:08 Rescan your wallet 07:58:20 If the txid isnt available on an explorer, it hasnt really been spent 07:58:33 Ot means your wallet is unaware of the spend 08:00:24 Which block explorer are you referring to? Please send me a link. There are two explorers—one shows 'unknown' and the other shows 'pending'. 08:03:52 xmrchain.net 08:04:33 https://localmonero.co/blocks/ 08:05:03 If it shows pending, then it has been sent and your wallet or node is likely not in sync 08:06:33 can `refresh` the wallet, it might pick up the tx, or connect it to a different node. If both of those fail, you might need to rescan the wallet, unfortunately 08:09:49 Nothing found. 09:36:53 hello, im new here, are there any rules to read in this channel? 09:38:04 dont spam, no off-topic, thats basically it 09:40:13 okay, got it :) ive been using monero for a while but am a bit out of the loop, are there any good technical write ups about the qubic situation? it seems to be hard to find any concrete information about the technicalities of whats going on 09:41:21 i just approved a post mentioning savemonero.info on reddit 09:41:30 closest ive seen to a writeup 09:42:09 tldr: go to gupax.io and start mining to p2pool if you want to help 09:43:42 sounds good, thank you for the info 10:24:02 the hacker who stole over 300m in btc seems to have strategically timed their sale to coincide with the current qubic frenzy (which is essentially inconsequential, as reorgs are rare and generally do not warrant concern; many people lack understanding of possion distributions, let alone mining). the pirice will likely stop dropping around 220s, which was the price before the hacke 10:24:03 r started "laundering" (reposted from #monero-markets:monero.social) 10:27:31 monero mining is not perfect and can be considered centralized; however, this issue also applies to Bitcoin, which has pools with over 25%+ of the hash rate despite using ASICs. game theory suggests that miners will act rationally because it benefits them financially. the PoS finality layer idea proposed as an improvement to mining is intriguing, but there's no serious threat of a 10:27:33 n attack and this "threat" will likely stop when qubic emissions halve in ~10 days. the current sell-off is due to the hacker offloading their holdings on mexc 10:29:16 A lot of the talk is about if Qubic can do this, could another attack, perhaps a government, also try the attack, perhaps more successfully? 10:32:02 qubic can't sustain an attack on the network, although a government could against Monero. Bitcoin is also vulnerable since the largest pools (such as foundry) are based in the US, with their equipment stored in warehouses that can be easily seized 10:33:27 specifically, the largest mining operations, such as riot, which collaborate with foundry, operate their facilities in centralized locations 10:34:23 I find it surprising that qubic hysteria gained such widespread popularity, even among reputable auditors like Slowmist. did people forget about the 300m so quickly? 10:36:55 "monero is broken" gets clicks 10:37:28 Actually Slowmist focuses more on eth 10:37:43 bitcoin maxis want to see it fail, many other people are screwed if it fails 10:41:55 I know, but they posted that Monero has successfully been 51% attacked here: 10:41:57 https://xcancel.com/SlowMist_Team/status/1955209185718833665 10:41:59 the source? orangefren, a Monero community member, who misinterpreted a 6-block reorg as a 51% attack. as slowmist is reputable, this misinterpretation may now spread far beyond the Monero community. the positive is that this opens an opportunity to make money while others have insufficient information about the actual implications of these events 10:43:29 bitcoin maxis are idiots who don't realize Bitcoin is also vulnerable to this threat 10:44:14 I’ve had contact with SlowMist at work, and they are indeed good experts in ETH smart contracts, but not in BTC 10:44:35 I suppose they aren’t in Monero either. 10:46:55 In pow environments, the biggest chain is the least vulnerable to it. 10:46:55 Also knowing the positions banks and other big orgs hold in it, gives some strong incentives from folks with big bags to keep consensus. 10:47:41 At least for mid term 10:48:26 oh wow 11:02:39 xmpp chat vs irc chat 11:03:52 yes, with each bitcoin halving, it's clear that emissions alone may not sustain the network indefinitely. all PoW chains possess inherent weaknesses, which can be improved. monero concerns are overblown though 11:04:57 the issue with slowmist recognizing this (even though they are not experts in Monero) is that many well-respected crypto news outlets rely on them as a credible source. misinformation may continue to spread even more widely 11:09:49 done 11:10:37 good 11:10:53 Some of these crypto magazines are really really bad, but writing qubic advertising as if it's facts. It's total BS 11:11:02 Some of these crypto magazines are really really bad, writing qubic advertising as if it's facts. It's total BS 11:11:32 The 15 million TPS just makes me wonder if these crypto journalist actually understand crypto 🤷‍♂️ 11:12:29 The sad storey at the end of the day is that the majority is there for the money not for the technology… 11:12:31 The sad story at the end of the day is that the majority is there for the money not for the technology… 11:12:34 in 2017 a lot of FUD happened also last year with chainalaysis 11:12:52 not true 11:13:15 are there any available resources that provide detailed information about the fcmp++ alpha stressnet? 11:13:17 if that was true, then Monero was going to be like other shitcoin (Qubic) etc 11:13:29 or cucked zcash 11:13:31 Good point 11:13:52 the 15 million TPS is only because qubic is not actually decentralized 11:13:59 it's a centralized "blockchain" 11:14:27 But how can you even prove it if you're not handling 15 million transactions in a day 11:15:56 hosting a qubic node is a herculean task, which requires 2 TB of RAM, UEFI (because the node program has to run at the UEFI-level?), contract/universe/spectrum files that you have to get at their discord, etc. etc. etc. 11:16:12 which makes me think if they intentionally make it hard to justify why it's centralized 11:16:51 blockreward: To my knowledge, no. I don't think it is quite ready yet (but soon, hopefully). I've been trying to keep up with the various weekly meetings but I don't remember what was last said about the stressnet. The best resource to look would be the meeting logs, which are archived here: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aclosed 11:16:51 Or maybe someone closer to the action than myself will chime in here. 11:17:45 If it is like the last stressnet I imagine they will post very publicly about how to join it once it is ready. 11:48:28 whats the aftermath of the 51% attack, just business as usual? 11:54:57 There was no 51% but there has been a lot of discussion on preventative measures in Monero Research Lounge and Monero Research Lab 11:54:58 the chainalysis fud was warranted, but the fud surrounding qubic is unfounded. their achievement of a maximum of 7-block reorg so far does != 51% attack on the network. in the past, bitcoin has experienced around 30 orphaned blocks in a row after the 2013 fork, and the network remains stable. in order for an attack to be considered serious, qubic would need to sustain far more tha 11:54:59 n their current 17% hash rate of 0.85 GH/s. they would have to increase their hash rate by approximately 3.48 GH/s (which is around 4x their current hashrate and assuming no other pools increase) for there to be an actual attack 11:55:59 there was no 51% attack, and it's business as usual. however, you may have experienced delays if you sent transactions during periods when qubic was printing orphaned blocks 12:01:45 why did orangefren say it was succesful lol 12:02:11 "appears to be successful" 12:03:46 qubic bots on X have been spreading false information suggesting that the monero network has been 51% attacked. orangefren probably fell for the bait or is engagement farming themselves 12:04:38 if it was 51% attacked, then transactions would not go through at all 12:04:52 since that was CFB's plan... isn't it? 12:07:29 If it was 51% they can mine every block 12:07:43 Not just 51/100 12:08:33 i would expect the whole blockchain to completely halt 12:08:43 not a mere inconvenience 12:09:08 boog900: exactly, they could just orphan others who tried 12:11:48 doesn't that make miners want to stop as they already achieved what they falsely want (51% attack?) 12:12:23 they already falsely achieved what they falsely wanted 12:12:55 all they've done is caused re-orgs, which are things that happen on PoW chains. 12:13:45 and 51% attacks are always a possibility on a PoW chain. they key is that they require resources to sustain, and eventually the attack ends. Well, the attack on the network consensus 12:13:48 it seems the social attack will reverberate for a while 12:15:55 i remember when binance lost 7000 BTC to some hackers 12:16:05 and they wanted to bribe miners to try to "reverse" the transaction 12:40:04 how can I find peers to connect to with my p2pool node if I don't want to expose the incoming p2p port to the internet? 12:48:25 p2pool can work fine without incoming connections 12:48:25 it will connect to the seed node and gradually refill the peer list... this is the recommended way 12:48:27 alternatively, you can manually download a peer list from XvB: https://xmrvsbeast.com/p2pool/sidechains.html 12:51:28 thanks! 12:56:57 Also, a 5 block reorg is 10minutes - would be a 1 block reorg if we opted for 10min blocks, and a 10 block reorg if we still had 1min blocks 12:58:05 btc had 30 block reorg = 300 mins btw 12:59:53 Didn't they do reorg after reorg and 6 was just the highest? 13:00:19 7 was the highest 13:00:22 Ghosts "appear" but usually not real 13:03:17 Each reorg it's only them receiving mining rewards for the length of blocks they contributed in it, right? 13:03:31 Each reorg it's only them receiving mining rewards for the amount of blocks they contributed in it, right? 13:08:28 And that was their stated goal, no? Gain 100% of mining rewards for some time. 13:10:09 for anyone interested: 13:10:11 https://bitcoin.org/en/alert/2013-03-11-chain-fork 13:10:13 from block 225430. over 31 orphaned blocks were discarded. hopefully this puts things into perspective 13:10:15 225461 2013-03-12 16:21:02 00000000000002d74c31d9c9f8e4768c0b51c3f145be07be7e77af0146144c30 13:10:17 225460 2013-03-12 15:05:56 00000000000002afb9088485b05a2b8a1dfa6b82e3e915fa0765879a05061461 13:10:19 225459 2013-03-12 14:36:39 000000000000036e459f26b1dc02683c9beeb061eedf18689995143354467245 13:10:21 225458 2013-03-12 12:18:23 00000000000000620d78c08bd345aa489b02a52c5f823f0324d3c42212577c24 13:10:23 225457 2013-03-12 09:48:00 0000000000000067fa40b890799ef9814e1e427abd5fc9f4751ffb3ef6512d14 13:10:25 225456 2013-03-12 07:59:29 000000000000031ce5f5c447dbe06ebd62f988c6718e1a17d14b9dcd8ff9605c 13:10:27 225455 2013-03-12 07:14:21 000000000000009d2dee89c7732b5bc912845d96a6bee38cab815949cfa60d23 13:10:29 225454 2013-03-12 05:17:11 00000000000000df96f272c3b1e9dd15272b55750966cbd239219b94756c73ec 13:12:57 We are on HN 13:13:02 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44875109 13:13:24 the only non FUD post that links to Kaya tweet is downvoted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44875546 13:13:53 people are believing the post as well 13:14:11 slowmist snowballed the misinformation as expected :( 13:14:42 omg citing the cointribune article as "way more context" is weak 13:15:42 cointribune is using cfb as the main source 13:16:34 that is crappy journalism 13:16:43 but i couldn't expect less from crypto news 13:17:12 Even an LLM would have written a more nuanced article 🤷‍♂️ 13:17:55 not really when all media outlets are reposting same fud 13:18:23 certainly they should have done more research and looking for evidence 13:18:33 and not take one single person's words as the only source 13:18:37 CTO of ledger is linked as the author of https://xcancel.com/p3b7_/status/1955173413992984988. more reasons not to use ledger if their CTO is this incompetent 13:18:56 I never trusted any hardware wallets 13:19:04 seen that too, these people just in it for the clicks 13:19:18 paper wallets ftw 😉 13:19:24 the whole cryptobro community is just in it for the clicks lol 13:19:33 all they care about is line go up or down 13:20:11 Cindy_ I suspect no one has done any research because people are mistakenly using the price dump as "proof" of a centralization attack, but in reality, the reason for the price dump is likely due to something else (likely the 300m BTC hacker in my opinion) 13:20:37 actually the price dump is bad for qubic 13:20:40 it is because of the FUD 13:20:50 and other stuff too 13:20:51 lol, isn't qubic reliant on the price of monero? 13:21:00 way for CFB to shoot himself in the leg 13:21:15 The more XMR tanks the more expensive it gets for them 13:21:22 FUD doesn't help 13:22:02 eddie: in essence, CFB is holding a gun with the barrel wrapped around onto him 13:22:54 if you mine XMR to sell it for QUBIC, least what you should do is not try to affect that currency too much 13:24:26 blockreward: really? did the hacker sell XMR for BTC? 13:24:54 i think if the hacker sold BTC for XMR, XMR's price would actually go up 13:25:07 I also would be very surprised that selling like a couple of XMR having that effect on the overall price 13:25:29 300 million BTC is a lot of money 13:25:40 in comparison to a couple XMR 13:26:33 actually no, wtf is 300 million BTC 13:26:39 that is WAY too much money 13:26:53 anyone running gupax on max? how do you install it? 13:27:07 did you mean 300 million USD in BTC? 13:28:36 Qubic could be selling about 25k USD / day of XMR, while the volume is about 120 million USD ( coingecko), so the downward pressure by qubic seems overhyped to me 13:29:03 But I am not an financial person so I might be missing something 13:30:32 the community shouldn't even be supporting such a parasitic currency 13:30:44 The sell pressure comes from people believing monero is being 51% attacked 13:30:48 but things have changed a lot since all they care about is money 13:32:13 testtank: yes, which is why you don't even need a real 51% attack. you can make shit up, have bots spout the same thing over and over until people believe you 13:32:33 6 reorgs isn't that much 13:33:25 Cindy_ the hacker has likely sold around $300m USD in XMR on KuCoin and MEXC. To my knowledge, they haven't used any DEXs. My conclusion comes from comparing the changes in volume now to when they bought in may, as well as analyzing their poisoned outputs, which I inferred from the BTC -> XMR swaps they did on fixedfloat and other exchanges. you can find more information about the 13:33:27 original BTC wallet address here for your own due diligence (DYOR): bc1qcrypchnrdx87jnal5e5m849fw460t4gk7vz55g. I won't publish their outputs because this is purely statistical inference and I don't want to make any false claims. I may share my findings with zachxbt 13:33:29 "Nina/Mo" and "W0rk" are the suspects according to zachxbt (https://xcancel.com/zachxbt/status/1916756932763046273), I believe they are a Somalian duo operating a call scam centre in Camden, UK, and an accomplice, who likely have access to numerous fake IDs, allowing them to use cexes without revealing their true identity 13:33:50 ah that makes sense 13:34:03 Qubic is not earning enough XMR to create this sell pressure, you're correct 13:36:59 I just realized that the CTO of Ledger is stating that this attack costs around $75 million per day. sounds like an AI figure 13:38:40 i wonder how he managed to calculate that 13:39:05 if that were real, that would have wiped out CFB's bank account in less than a week 13:39:38 lmao, jeff bezos wouldn't even waste that much %% 13:39:46 lmao, jeff bezos wouldn't even waste that much $$ 13:40:29 CFB's next tweet would be about him filing for bankruptcy 13:41:09 Afaik renting 1 GH/s would be around 75k not million / day 13:42:27 75K a day is still too much 13:42:35 that's like as much as an average CEO's salary 13:42:59 Monero pools is in Matrix Chat? 13:44:16 And I was thinking Qubic is schizophrenic, looking at the Monero Subreddit. But shit is serious 13:44:20 What you say? 13:44:33 fighting against FUD is as useful as mining rn 13:44:57 unfortunately FUD cannot be fought with technology 13:46:02 0.70999 BTC 13:46:28 only 591.05Mh/s is up for sale 13:48:09 sure, considering the 1GH was available ofc 14:18:10 time to buy the dip 14:19:00 cool 14:19:42 can you get me some chips with that? 14:20:04 Cubic sold xmr on MEXC. But mexc stopped withdrawals 14:21:53 MEXC said it’s due to busy network(of course it’s a lie) 14:35:25 Is someone coming out on twitter with a post why the 51% attack is not a 51% attack 😅 14:36:30 https://x.com/BitMEXResearch/status/1955254320305217726 14:57:34 The qubic fud has been enlightening. A good portion of the current community is simply moonbows panicking about their bags and the qubic "attack" seems overhyped and not driven 14:57:44 The qubic fud has been enlightening. A good portion of the current community is simply moonbows panicking about their bags and the qubic "attack" seems overhyped and bot driven 14:57:55 The qubic fud has been enlightening. A good portion of the current community is simply moonbois panicking about their bags and the qubic "attack" seems overhyped and bot driven 14:58:38 I can now tell the difference between signal and noise. that is what the qubic fud taught me 14:58:41 i wish matrix edits didn't spam the IRC channel 14:58:48 i legit thought you were a spambot 15:00:43 that's a limitation of irc, no? or the matrix<-->irc bridge needs additional config 15:01:27 i wish the relay differenated between messages and edits of messages 15:01:40 edits appear as full messages 15:01:47 full, seperate messages* 15:01:50 Sorry but my phone changes what I type trying to autocorrect 15:02:10 lol 15:03:07 what about replies to messages, does the original message get spammed as well? 15:03:16 No. 15:45:35 Hello folks. I am asking as a newbie. I saw that the hashrate for Qubic is not listed at https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero . Is it possible to infer their hashrate percentage, or at least estimate a tight upper bound on it? 15:47:38 It's a chunk of "unknown" 15:52:54 What percentage range has "Unknown" historically been at before Qubic came along? 15:54:21 >before cubic unknown was 5-10% 15:54:23 from MRL room 15:57:37 what's the url for this page? 15:57:41 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/xxzJMYBasidepeGNXJPJafJk 15:59:59 https://explorer.jetskipool.ai/xmr-tracker 16:01:03 Why are some entries, e.g. p2pool.io, listed multiple times (three times) in the list at https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero ? 16:03:13 3 pools. Main, mini, nano 16:03:30 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> main is the best 16:14:27 where can i find historical pool hashrates? miningpoolstats dot stream seems to just show a point in time snapshot of current pools 16:15:37 everything seems to be just an aggregate with no grouping 16:17:41 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> scroll up in the xmr-pt channel 16:21:43 okay, thanks 16:23:13 https://boards.4chan.org/biz/thread/60768549#p60777382 16:23:13 So why not increase the fees? I agree a tx should not cost less than 10 cents. Why not increase the security budget? 16:24:37 where is that channel? 16:25:26 [#monero-pt:monero.social](https://matrix.to/#/%23monero-pt:monero.social) ? 16:27:22 Does anyone know the probability of a successfull 10 block re-org with 30/40% hashrate? 17:06:41 gm 17:11:52 gm sir 17:31:34 idk probably something like 0.4^10 17:33:14 moneroconsensus.info by rucknium got hit with 504 too many users. Anywhere else I can track chain data with reliable info? 17:36:16 that's weird 17:36:22 it loads up for me 17:37:13 It says: Too Many Users: Sorry, but this application has exceeded its quota of concurrent users. Please try again later. 17:37:32 It also is on some DNS blacklist so I had to whitelist it. 17:38:00 it works for me. 17:38:32 how's related orphaned blocks vs chain reorgs ? 17:38:50 It loads in a private window, not in a regular window. It is doing something strange with selective denial. 17:38:53 there's a bunch of shit taking over X 17:39:08 mostly fud 17:39:39 but this 51% miner thing is getting escalated 17:40:07 Getting escalated? Meaning? 17:40:56 I mean frequent same context posts, someone is trying to spread fud 17:41:41 do you guys know which exchange has the most XMR liqudity ? 17:42:37 Just because something is reposted doesn't mean it's FUD. https://explorer.jetskipool.ai/xmr-tracker says Qubic has 40% of network but https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero caps the Unknown to 23%. 17:44:26 yeah, they don't addup there digit to the network digits, so there red 51% bar, is too low, at about 33%.. 17:44:27 Exceot if 100% of there hashrate is from renters who already mine xmr when not rented 17:45:17 miningpoolstats.stream is the accurate one 17:48:13 johnruth: Let me kick everyone off for you. 17:48:31 Two months ago, looking at the old archive of miningpoolstats at https://archive.ph/Y55jT , Unknown was at 5%. More archives of the page are listed at https://archive.ph/https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero 17:48:41 It should look something like that 17:48:46 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/IzxthfWbDlpHlfgwJFEwWwwB 17:49:01 rucknium: does the site have a limit on sessions? 17:49:07 i thought it was just static pages 17:49:08 johnruth: You should be able to access the page now 17:49:30 Yes. I can increase it, but I don't know if the system can handle it. 17:49:44 there's a bunch of shit taking over X <<>> always lol 17:49:47 It's definitely not static. It creates each plot custom for each user. 17:49:51 ah 17:50:18 That can be inefficient, but now that I have allowed custom plot parameters, it makes more sense. 17:50:19 Have a cron that generate it static every 5 min? 17:50:57 nioc: I wouldn't call it shit, considering the Unknown percentage has gone up 20% (relative to the total). 17:51:30 It used to be at 3% and now it's 23%. 17:53:05 just twitter in general :) 17:53:40 Thank you 17:54:13 someone linked me a thread that I could read w/o an account, so much noise :( 17:54:31 I've doubled the connection limit now 17:55:13 You can run it on your own machine, but it takes a little effort: https://github.com/Rucknium/xmrconsensus#running-xmrconsensus-on-your-own-computer 17:55:18 i wonder if there are any actual DDoSers too 17:55:24 on the site too 17:56:09 Probably not, but possible. 18:02:11 out of the loop, what's going on? 18:02:21 Was looking on xmrchain.ney at coinbase tx from our Qfellows, why is the amount idx showing as XXXX of 650760 when all other coinbase tx are shown as XXXX of 0? 18:08:42 Was looking on xmrchain.net at coinbase tx from our Qfellows, why is the amount idx showing as XXXX of 650760 when all other coinbase tx are shown as XXXX of 0? 18:08:54 is there a new CCS for updating ming algo? I can donate 18:09:46 the mining algo is fine 18:10:01 well, at least it still fulfills ASIC-resistance 18:12:14 want to donate to a CCS? here you go https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/ 18:13:19 Sorry i mean a new update to resist 51% attack 18:13:48 :) 18:17:47 icemonkey: https://cointelegraph.com/news/monero-qubic-selfish-mining-51-percent-attack 18:19:36 No such update coming 18:20:17 Yes, botnets are securing the network so well 18:21:15 pow+pos wen? 18:34:31 we need more botnets 18:34:42 i mean 18:34:43 more miners 18:36:38 yes but don't join or stay in the biggest pool :) 18:39:17 Yes, we need kim to rally their forces 18:54:38 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> noo 18:54:41 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> just be a russian pool owner 18:54:45 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/THwiJLQDwFCzSNxuEcSjmIAf 18:54:55 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> + https://ibb.co/dw3X5P6z 19:18:46 This is the schedule of when Qubic plana to start mining xmr again, so if you plan on renting hashpower it’s best if you do it during those times: 19:18:47 Thursday 12H UTC - Friday 12H UTC 19:18:49 Saturday 12:H UTC - Sunday 12H UTC 19:18:51 Monday 12H UTC - Tuesday 12H UTC 19:19:51 wht if they're trying to trick us into not mining 19:21:39 Idk but i swear if I see another Twitter post saying that monero got sucessfully 51% attacked im gonna kms 19:22:04 they're always gonna say that shit lol 19:22:11 whether it works out or not 19:24:06 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> noo 19:24:11 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> dont want u to die ;-; 19:29:00 If there have been reorgs of 6+ blocks, then perhaps it makes sense to require 5x the confirmations, meaning 30+ confirmations, to consider your incoming Monero to truly be your own. 19:30:38 going with asic pow can be discussed 19:31:00 why 19:31:44 one of XMR's features is its ASIC resistance, going with a PoW that's more relaxed for it sounds counter-intuitive 19:31:51 asic resistance (were) for decentralization 19:32:02 then why PoS? 19:32:15 ASIC PoW will up the bar way too high 19:32:43 making it unfeasible for the average person to mine XMR, while centralizing the currency around only the few who can afford the ASIC equipment to do so 19:32:45 subjective statement 19:34:07 switching to a more relaxed algorithm would actually make the problem worse, since nobody can feasibly mine against the bad actors who can afford the ASICs 19:34:35 it will be tradeoff, it requires a lot investment, which sets the higher requirements for attacks 19:34:37 and the person who invested in mining would be risking losing their money 19:35:13 they will not lose their money 19:35:22 there are countless other currencies that may use the same algorithm 19:35:31 so they'll repurpose the chip 19:36:45 their profitability will wary a lot. 19:36:47 u can only repurpose chips that are FPGA. 19:36:57 i meant reuse the chip for another currency that uses the same algo 19:37:47 Argon2 hash can be tuned. 19:37:55 think about bitcoin u have 51% of the hashrate 19:37:57 which other coin are u gonna mine? 19:38:13 who is gonna be making the ASIC? 19:38:21 no clue 19:38:25 exactly 19:38:50 it doesnt mean no one 19:39:53 ASIC PoW is no better than PoS 19:39:59 only the richest can actually benefit 19:40:30 ASIC PoW requires long term investing unlike PoS 19:40:45 u're "staking" the mining devices not the coins itself 19:40:49 "it doesnt mean no one" but it does mean somebody with enough motivation to design and manufacture them (like contractors on behalf of governments) can have a easier time 19:40:56 attacking the network 19:40:59 mining devices are not fungible 19:41:28 ASIC PoW requires one upfront giant investment 19:41:32 which is like R&D and shit 19:41:34 and after that 19:41:41 it's very VERY cheap to manufacture the chips 19:43:44 a person with enough money can easily order giant bulks of the chips after designing them 19:46:11 the cost to do R&D, design and test these ASIC miners is a mere tax write-off 20:05:30 how current situation differing from this? 20:06:55 it's harder to audit ASIC chips too btw, unless you're willing to buy sulfuric acid, hazmat suit and an electron microscope 20:07:13 who knows if an ASIC manufacturer put a backdoor inside the chip that could completely kill it 20:08:00 In the coming hours certain rooms will be briefly unavailable as server and rooms are upgraded to newer versions 20:08:57 @room ^ 20:10:23 hardenedsteel: currently there is a way to cheaply fight back 20:11:19 Mine harder? 20:11:31 but if the attacker was using large quantities of ASIC chips, it would be unfeasible to fight back without running your back account dry, and it'll be very much centralized under ASIC manufacturers 20:12:20 (the ASIC manufacturers can price-fix to make mining back much harder) 20:14:01 it's not exactly cheap to make your own ASIC 20:15:39 explodius: yeah that, it's easy to fight back for the average person 20:24:54 I just set up an old pc to constantly mine on p2pool mini. getting about 2100 h/s on it right now 20:29:52 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> YES 20:30:24 <3​21bob321:monero.social> That's what she said 20:30:36 also RandomX is a very good PoW algorithm, i don't want the efforts behind that to be completely wasted lol 20:30:48 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> \>.< 20:31:06 321bob321: why :( 20:31:21 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> everyone go build botnets to xmrig in megahash ranges 20:31:23 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> lol 20:31:40 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> not saying its ez but yk... 20:31:42 CPU manufacturers are not much different? 20:31:54 CPU manufacturers have to sell to all kinds of people 20:32:05 the only consumer base for ASIC manufacturers are miners 20:32:23 so they can't just up the price on you just because of monero 20:32:43 thats true for now, if monero scales in the future it will change but anyways thats offtopic 20:33:06 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Wonder what will happen when quantum CPU start mining 20:33:30 can a quantum computer even emulate a CISC CPU? 20:33:37 at a good performance? 20:33:45 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Dunno 20:34:02 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Has it been tested yet 20:35:45 i'd like to have a RandomX CPU 20:39:52 like i know it would be a terrible CPU in modern standards, but it's nice 20:40:56 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> the all-new RandomX Dragon-1 cpu 20:41:18 * Cindy puts down a big "Programming for the RandomX Instruction Set" book 20:41:21 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> offering 500 kH/s in just 35 watts 21:05:52 asic pow is just worse pos. both impose an entry bar but pos needs no special hardware that can be singled out to ban or seize. i support randomx+pos or even full pos before asic pow. 21:06:22 PoS stake can be duration locked too, right? 21:09:45 so is qubic still happening, or is ot over 21:17:13 Likely they're going to continue trying for as long as they can. My theory now is that they're propping up the Qubic token as means of subsidizing their mining malincentives. 21:18:47 Basically these mining antics arent in their _mining_ economic best interests. It costs them money to do this. And they pay pool rewards in their token which trades much higher than their mining rewards. It's not unlike how they probably used the Bitmain miner to slowly cover their shortfalls during the withdraw shutdowns that started in 2021. 21:19:03 The miners in the pool get paid in their token not xmr. This token likely has low liquidity, so the usual shenanigans are expected 21:19:17 Whoops you just said it 21:19:44 they claim their pool is more profitable than XMR, miners can mine on there then convert it back to XMR with more coins? 21:21:33 Not if you cant withdraw XMR after converting your Qubic 21:23:10 why u cant? do you mean CEXs? 21:24:53 It's a question of, where can you convert your Qubic, and did that exchange shutter XMR withdraws. Otherwise you're going to have to convert to some other coin, withdraw, and then convert somewhere else that does have withdraws open. 21:25:48 But yes, ultimately, propping up their token like this will ultimately cost exchanges and/or Qubic money to do. 21:27:36 mining cost + hardware cost + cost of other miners 21:28:03 > The experiment was a strategic, and at times combative, application of game theory. Previously, Qubic would sell all mined Monero for USD, then use the proceeds to buy and burn Qubic tokens to reduce the circulating supply. 21:28:05 this statement is illogical 21:28:31 I think their gambit is that it will support their financial interest, by encouraging plebs fearful of a 51% against Monero, to instead to buy any one of the shitcoins they printed for free. 21:36:14 Hard reality is never illogical. 21:37:45 i support in making mining waste more bandwidth 21:37:53 g​ingeropolous: It looks to still be happening. The Unknown pool percentage climbed from 23% to 24%. 21:38:33 like seriously, if you make mining waste much much more bandwidth, pools will actually lose more money 21:38:47 so they either have to increase fees, or it'll be unprofitable 21:38:53 while p2pool remains 0% fees 21:41:45 p2pool have 0% fee but you endup with plenty output to consolidate, so you lost some on that side 22:54:23 So far I haven't seen DNM's switch to accepting qubic 😉 22:56:22 I think randomx and asic resistance is what makes monero a truly great currency "of the people". 22:57:15 Get outside your basement, it’s not always about dnm 22:57:50 Lol 22:59:20 Yes truly great atleast for Botnets 23:01:02 The fact that the bar is low to mine it is in my opinion not a bad thing. 23:02:14 Yes it pretty much impossible to profitably mine xmr 23:02:30 Keep low bar is to allow botnets 23:02:47 Keeping low bar is to allow botnets 23:03:18 Even increasing ram requirements would have killed many botnets, but hey ppl can’t buy ram 🤣 23:03:47 Allow botnets and get cum in face 23:03:59 Rant over for the day gn 23:05:07 Yeah, well I am not saying nothing could/should change 23:05:57 but switching to pos or asic just sounds like a bad idea to me because monero would lose its democratic appeal 23:06:32 It’s not going to change, ppl in charge run botnets 23:09:13 Someone mines in a cpu (RISC-V) quickly makes changes to brick it with randomxv2 , I mean seriously how obvious can it get 23:09:22 Someone mines with a cpu (RISC-V) quickly makes changes to brick it with randomxv2 , I mean seriously how obvious can it get 23:10:19 If every xmr goes up, I will dump all my coins and never look back to this botnet loving centralised core 23:10:29 elongated: better than ASICs :P 23:11:06 Yah for botnet operators, atleast I could go and buy asic to mine ltc 23:11:51 😴 23:11:57 removing monero's ASIC resistance will kill the only way to get monero if it gets fully banned 23:12:19 you think customs won't notice a giant ASIC rig meant to mine monero? 23:16:49 how much up should it get, it stood pretty high last month 23:17:33 i remember when XMR was just 170 dollars like 23:17:35 last year? 23:17:41 monero is not a number go up investment, you should buy it to spend it 23:17:50 this 23:17:55 or mine it to spend it ;) 23:18:04 XMR is not some cryptobro investment currency 23:18:12 otherwise you'll be very disappointed 23:18:29 it's a.. currency 23:19:01 and still it's up a gazillion percent since inception, so where the moonboys a bit late to the party? 23:19:25 monero holders are not happy with recent situation ... 23:19:39 but overall its still good bcz last year it was ~170 23:19:41 why are you holding monero 23:20:21 if "holding" means you keep it for 2-3 years, you're still thinking short term 23:20:57 that's like holding US dollars in a chest 23:21:06 for a few years 23:22:03 so you can sell the dollar bills into your country's own currency 23:22:22 I wouldn't compare it to dollars honestly, more like a commodity 23:23:35 but honestly you get what i mean 23:23:56 treating XMR as something beyond just a currency to spend 23:24:22 You can do a bit of both 23:25:04 If monero holders that aren't happy with the situation because the price drops don't understand investing. If they really believe monero has value they should buy some more right now 23:26:27 I didn't mean to write the "if" in front, but I won't edit it to not spam the IRC channel 😂 23:36:31 people think this is gonna kill monero lol 23:36:40 a 51% attack is not the end of the world 23:42:37 I remember one guy joined this chat with words "I bought some xmr because it's safe heaven" 23:42:54 now this guy will doubt to say something like this tbh 23:44:05 to me, xmr is a safe haven 23:44:16 because it's a currency that i can use to pay for stuff over the internet 23:44:59 not because i'm interested in what moonboys said what was "bearish" or "bullish" 23:45:34 NEVER use pos; it roped Zcash; XMR ftw NO POS!!! stop fearmongering 23:45:54 calm down 23:47:05 it's still a safe heaven if you just keep calm and hold your monero close. At the moment it might just take a bit longer before a transaction is fully confirmed and that's about it. 23:47:12 parker 23:47:13 1) Encouraging more people to use p2pool (upstream https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool…, but I'm sure there's better methods) even those with limited hash power. 23:47:15 2) Discussing a secondary component to the consensus layer, though I'd find this messy and unfortunately unlikely to gain support. 23:47:17 3) Changing from RandomX to an algorithm which is less optimal on hardware people are more likely to build server farms with. 23:48:32 point 3 makes no sense 23:48:53 RandomX is already near impossible to implement in FPGAs/ASICs, and very inefficient in GPUs 23:48:55 *laughs 23:48:59 so that only leaves CPUs 23:49:16 should we bang together stones to mine a coin? 23:51:46 i don't know how you'd make an algorithm that is intentionally inefficient in CPU server farms 23:55:18 "should we bang together stones" << stealing ideas from nano? 23:58:48 monero devs will propose a new mining algorithm 23:59:04 you have to buy a pickaxe at your local home depot 23:59:09 and mine in a cave for monero