00:00:31 average hash went from 5.x to like 6.9 after the marathon 00:00:39 so yes, it affected diff and block generation 00:01:14 (maybe I should check how much block in the last 90 min lol... I did use monero today for normal affairs and it just work as expected) 00:01:35

ofrnxmr: Are you the same person as ofrnAI? 00:02:17

RavFX: okay, thanks heaps! 😃 00:02:45 I just stuffed all ofrnxmr text into a model 00:02:45 why is the issue about 51% attack protections in monero research lab github full of bad ideas 00:02:47 And made ofrnAI 00:03:19 yeah ^, ofrnAI is pretty close to me 00:03:48 some guy just recommended that monero mining should be turned into a pyramid scheme lol 00:04:25 ideal solution is to pump monero 00:04:27 no change required but they won't allow it afaik 00:04:58 What would people’s thoughts be on gradually raising block rewards? 00:05:10 What mr AI said is accurate. Ravfx's response as well. The burst of 7gh isnt immediately reflected in the network difficulty. 00:05:13 "If you can't defeat them, become one of them." 00:05:17 rewards have to come from somewhere 00:05:45 When you would worry, is if your node goes a long time without receiving any blocks, and your blocks dont match, example, xmrchain.net 00:05:54 Or explorer.xmr.mx 00:06:39 i mean, rewards do come from nowhere, but would increasing it cause inflation? 00:06:49 * m-relay shakes head 00:06:51 * m-relay I give up, I hoping for a simple yes or no 00:07:32 Price increase 00:07:33 increase reward (same amount of xmr but they worth more) 00:07:35 meaning... more moners fight for it 00:07:37 Yeah 00:07:39 wasy 00:07:41 miners** 00:07:45 Cindy, do you mean that we cant just increase the rewards?? /s. The only logical reason to change the emission would be to pay a higher % of xmr supply to qubic 00:08:14

the block height, or some other property? 00:08:34 If that’s too major a change, how about something like increasing transaction fees 00:09:58 i guess you could raise the block rewards after increasing the fees 00:10:09 but i'm sure people would notice :P 00:10:25 Ideally that would make these attacks less likely in future? Forgive me though, I’m pretty ignorant 00:11:00 If XMR was priced ats it's just value at over 4k / XMR, we would not have this discution. 00:11:01 Price bring PoW security 00:11:20 ugh 00:11:25 if only we built an economy 00:11:29 smh 00:11:47 We probably have the most complete ecosystem beside bitcorn and eth 00:11:53 we are in the top 3 00:12:00 we need to get steam and all the porn gamedevs on monero so XMR will explode to 100k / XMR 00:12:10 but yet, price was suppressed 00:12:19 Because XMR is technically the only way to counter the state 00:12:21 and they know that 00:12:23 We just need onlyfans 00:12:54 we should tell them to quit racking up the phone bill 00:12:59 and start racking up the electricity bill :P 00:13:33 The craziest thing is that we use cex prices as our valuation 00:13:57 Well, cex have more volume sadly 00:13:58 and FFS it drives me literally crazy, when people say xmr isnt profitable to mine 00:14:01 it's more "precise" 00:14:15 Like HELLO, set your prices properly. YOU'RE THE PRODUCER 00:14:18 but Cex can play us 00:14:21 i cannot believe that there are people who waste days upon days calling up mastercard and visa 00:14:28 I did trust tradeorgy (gone) 00:14:29 when they could have just started accepting monero 00:14:32 smh smh 00:14:36 but the others not so much 00:14:49 ofrnxmr: lol i always thought the CEX prices are dumb 00:14:51 xmr is accepted at more place than you think 00:14:59 we are really the 3th ish choice 00:15:01 If it cost me $280 to mine xmr _today_, you can bet i'm not offering ir for sale at 240 00:15:04 as far as infra 00:15:08 Its 280, take it or leave it. I can wait 00:15:55 it's 280? 00:16:28 Fuckin infuriating that people mine xmr, it costs them $280 to mine 1xmr, and then they complain that its not profitable, when thry are market selling at 240 00:16:35 Literally retarded 00:16:43 Cindy, 280 = cost to mine 1xmr. 00:17:16 lol 00:17:20 Everyone's cost is different. But if my cost ia $280, im not selling below that then whining about how its not profitable 00:17:21 280 is literally good 00:17:31 Yah can you sell me for 280, next time it goes to 420? 00:17:34 i remember last year when i started using xmrbazaar 00:17:42 XMR price was 170 dollars 00:18:03 i do not actually give a shit about prices 00:18:31 Yah no coiners don’t give shit about price 00:19:09 No 00:19:32 Will be 480 then 00:19:51 Mostly what I care about is monero is as functionally effective as possible. 00:19:51 Sorry, i like to force ppl to buy from cex or pay my premium 00:20:09 either pump the cex price, or pay my premium 00:20:39 i hope if XMR gets finality layer, it's not a step towards full PoS like fucking zcash 00:21:12 Not functional if block reward is only protect you from some dude with a name like kewbit but spelled qubic 00:21:50 Monero value goes hand-in-hand with usability 00:21:52 Valid haha 00:22:05 well yeah 00:22:18 higher price == higher block reward (in dollars) 00:22:19 "6 billion" market cap isnt real. You cant go sell 18m xmr for $240 00:22:26 boom, no hard fork 00:22:53 It’s hybrid not full pos 00:22:54 You can sell maybe 5000xmr before the market cap drops by 500million 00:23:20 elongated: zcash's plan was like 00:23:26 Zcash's tfl is designed as a step towards full pos 00:23:28 they'd go from PoW -> hybrid PoS+PoW 00:23:33 hybrid -> full PoS 00:23:56 Same cost for attackers 00:24:00 I do think this attack should be a bit of warning regardless. It’s realistic that a future attacker could have significantly more resources 00:24:18 I meant for xmr 00:25:03 R the exchanges who closed xmr gna bring it back after? 00:25:19 Isn't proof of stake just richest guy can buy the network? 00:25:21 After qubic is handled with care 00:25:26 nooneissafe: no 00:25:35 👍️ 00:25:42 No, there are different types of pos 00:25:59 Qubic has announced they’re attacking someone else soon 00:26:18 m-relay: Why not :( 00:26:25 the EU 00:26:35 and also probably the US 00:26:37 blame the gov 00:26:41 This should be over in a matter of days 00:26:43 Yah which is a lie, they going to attack asic coins with cpu now ?lol 00:27:52 You can withdraw from kraken 00:28:06 So, use basicswap, buy some ltc, then dump the ltc on kraken and buy xmr 00:28:27 Im trying to buy xmr on cake wallet to re up on some lsd 00:28:27 do you think hybrid PoS+PoW will save XMR? 00:28:46 nooneissafe: nobody needed to know wtf are you gonna do with it 00:28:49 Maybe? It’s just what CFB has said to his minions… do you think they’ll keep this up indefinitely? 00:29:15 I just mean i would rather it work sooner or later 00:29:22 If its profitable, why not? 00:29:43 what coin do you have? 00:30:00 No coin just usd 00:30:02 Trying to buy xmr? I'll swap it for ya 00:30:24 Ion really know about crypto like that 00:30:46

nioc: do you concur with Mr AI here that I should ignore the warning? <<>> sorry for the late reply, sometimes I need to work. I agree with ofrn 00:30:51 Is it still profitable? 00:31:01 ideal solution is to pump monero <<>> I also agree with this :D 00:31:38 No price talk 00:32:02 elongated 00:32:07 pumping monero will naturally increase hashrate (and botnet have limitation, will they ... infect more machine in response to that? no, they take as much as they can... now...) 00:32:09 Monero-markets iant bridged to irc 00:32:24 elongated, it is network security talk 00:32:39 :) 00:32:43 It's it's not really price talk, it's another solution to save PoW 00:32:56 also true 00:32:57 Glad it’s been considered for security after all this time 00:34:24 seriously though. Security is down with price falling 00:34:38 Isn’t there a Qubic halving on the 20th? I’d imagine that’ll kill profitability 00:34:47 to increase security budget, we should do a monerun on kraken while deposits are closed 00:35:03 Meaning its hard to deposit coins to sell them 00:35:14 it is centralized so the halving may very well not happen 00:35:27 exactly, nioc 00:35:39 TIL Q has been around at least 17 months 00:35:56 about as long as kewbit 00:35:57 Ha 00:36:21 I guess cubists are in fashion again 00:36:30 what was old is new again 00:37:46 You’re right of course, hadn’t really considered that 😔 00:38:14 guess we will find out 00:38:16 Well, we’ll know next week 00:38:22 yep 00:39:05 Just wanna be left alone haha 00:44:15 i wonder if PoS would be benefitical, or another centralization problem 00:44:21 i mean PoS mixed with PoW 00:44:34 i keep worrying :P 00:48:04 Probably both 00:48:59 what would the share of rewards be for both? 00:49:08 would PoW get 80% while PoS get 20% 00:49:18 or something? 00:49:29 90:10 or 80:20 00:49:34 Id go 90:10 00:51:13 yeah 90:10 is better 00:53:24 despite potential drawbacks and lack of support, i still like my idea of popow, with alternating blocks (pos -> pos -> pow), where each side can only revery a single block. 00:53:25 for popow, a question was "all coinbases or future ones" and i think all would be ok, as long as they are staked on an node via unrestricted rpc. 00:54:04 I think same issue if someone controlled majority of pos in this scenario, as if they did for finality, or if they did in pure pos 00:55:39 I have no coinbase xmr so make PoS all xmr 00:55:42 thx :D 00:57:20 all xmr? 00:58:08 you think people would bet all their XMR on stopping qubic? :P 00:58:20 PoS all xmr not just coinbases 00:58:26 i know 00:58:33 a selfish take 00:58:43 but you think people would bet all their XMR on stopping qubic for 10% reward 00:58:44 Nioc, if its all xmr, then kucoin will juat stake users deposits 00:58:47 or selling it 00:59:08 Or some dnm, or some government 00:59:30 ok, only ofrn gets to stake 00:59:48 only miners 01:00:02 what are you trying to do, get everyone to move to p2pool? :) 01:00:15 yes 01:00:19 I mine but don't get coinbases 01:00:23 nioc is a fat cat 01:00:29 that's why he wants full PoS 01:00:35 I am on a small pool 01:00:42 he wants to 51% moner 01:00:44 monero* 01:00:44 I haz no coinbases 01:01:17 P2pool gives coinbases, and if you use a traditional pool, they have min payouts they could stake on your behalf if you trust em w your xmr 01:01:31 More incentive to switch to p2pool 01:01:38 I trust my pool with my life 01:01:57 how would qubic stake their payouts 01:02:03 their coinbases* 01:02:06 And if blocks were 4mins, the reward would be like 1.1xmr, so p2pool payouts would be bigger 01:02:24 Qubic would have to not sell their xmr 01:02:31 And would have to mine for 24hrs 01:02:34 yeah 01:02:38 let's put a bond-lock too lol 01:02:56 if you unstake, you don't get your XMR until a month later 01:03:22 it'll be the biggest trap lol 01:03:29 What is the purpose of such a lock? 01:03:32 and why a month? 01:03:40 thats sort lf discourages staking 01:03:51 yea 01:03:58 Because i, as a brokie, would want to have emergency access to my "savings" 01:04:25 so people don't immediately unstake and sell their XMR at the slightest FUD? 01:04:30 I think "once unstaked, its unstaked permanantly" is good enough for incentive to keep staking 01:04:47 yeah 01:04:54 i think bond-lock only works with rich people 01:04:56 not miners 01:05:00 damn, i'm sorry for my shit idea 01:05:42 I disagree with disallowing people to unstake or to not restake. Reminds me of mutual funds which I hate with a passion. 01:06:01 No one likes mutual funds for this reason. 01:06:26 Well, i agree with me 01:06:31 So 1-1 01:06:36 how would you know that a coinbase wasn't spent 01:06:51 coinbase output* 01:07:13 Because coinbases are public outputs, the key image would be known to be spent 01:07:47 okay damn that might be easier to implement than PoS 01:08:16 with PoS, you have to somehow prove that the non-coinbase outputs aren't spent 01:08:47 more math stuff that my dumbass can't understand 01:09:17 cc boog900 boogAI 01:09:34 Is it possible to know when a coinbase was spent? 01:09:53 I mean, when a coinbase has not been* 01:10:25 Lmao, side question for you boog 01:10:33 there are current proofs that prove an output isn't spent IIRC 01:10:36 my fcmp blocks are abour 18mb 01:10:43 so you would just do the same on a coinbase 01:11:08 is it easier on a coinbase? 01:11:20 When i start_mining, aonetines it takes a long time to start the miner (txpool at 40mb) - this isnt the question 01:11:41 ``` 01:11:43 025-08-16 01:10:06.258 I Miner thread was started [0] 01:11:45 2025-08-16 01:10:06.286 I Found block <6bd60281064097b87b005ecfc6b7309c33c4d66db8e1d9c9ed9beefb840ee5fe> at height 2885 for difficulty: 2 01:11:47 2025-08-16 01:10:06.391 I [batch] DB resize needed 01:11:49 2025-08-16 01:10:06.421 W Failed to set new mapsize: Cannot allocate memory 01:11:51 terminate called after throwing an instance of 'cryptonote::DB_ERROR' 01:11:53 what(): Failed to set new mapsize: Cannot allocate memory 01:11:55 Aborted 01:11:57 ``` 01:11:59 This is the question. Lmao. Monerod crashed after mining the block 01:13:08 >20gb free memory 01:13:29 Greater than ^. Blockchain size just over 1gn 01:14:31 Cindy, no 01:15:41 The block was not stored btw. 01:15:46 i see 01:15:57 Should i try again on a higher log level? 01:15:58 its called a reserve proof but it doesn't seem to allow you to choose specific outputs but that wouldn't be hard to add 01:16:09 also like, do coinbase have public amounts? 01:16:18 i know dumb question 01:16:53 not a dumb q 01:17:20