00:11:29 Sometime I find i2p faster 00:11:31 Sometime I find i2p wayyyy slower 00:27:38 b​tcdwed: yep, cake wallet is great and popular but I suppose a lot of people use their nodes 00:27:45 I wouldn't trust them that much 00:45:14 thx Fijxu, i think i am safe with my nodes @ cake 01:38:31 After FCMP++, ISP can no longer track the tx if using local node even without tor/i2p, right? 01:38:46 No 01:38:50 Wrong 01:39:06 Uh, they can still track IP addresses the same as now, FCMP doesn't change how transactions are relayed. 01:39:14 Both are unrelated 01:39:47 Can track up addresses, txid origins -> destinations 01:39:48 Ip* 01:40:31 5 👀 01:41:03 5 block reorg? Or 5xmr for pics? 01:41:33 5 eyes 02:06:08 5 masters 02:06:17 5 magics 05:12:16 What is going on https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero ? 05:12:17 I see qbic.org + supportxmr.com at > 51%! 05:12:19 Is that correct? 05:14:47 Hashrate on that site is SELF-REPORTED by the pools and in the case of Qubic, is not particularly trustworthy. 05:15:53 Block distribution, however, can be trusted, since it's the actual blockchain. 05:16:02 OMG I skipped a beat! 05:16:52 Yeah, Qubic + SupportXMR is barely under 51% in the block distribution chart, but I doubt Qubic and SupportXMR will be working together anytime soon. 05:17:00 Please dont let monero die! 05:17:33 I should say, "let us not monero die" 05:17:52 Best thing you can do is mine on p2pool 05:18:43 I was under the impression that supportxmr was run by qbic 05:19:11 No. Qubic is a different coin that is merge-mining Monero in a very centralized fashion. 05:19:49 I think i can stop sweating a bit now 05:20:09 Thanks for the explanation [@torir:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@torir:matrix.org) 05:20:33 It's been a rough week. Qubic *has* been attacking the network, both a mining attack (NOT 51% attack, but a selfish mining attack), and also a publicity attack. 05:20:54 Qubic has been trying to spread FOMO in an attempt to persuade miners to switch to their pool. 05:21:01 FUD* not FOMO 05:22:33 In any case, if monero really becomes a threat to a well funded actor, seems to me that the cutrent state of things won't be much of an obstacle 05:23:03 Yeah, a lot of people are trying to make this attack be harder in the future. It's not an easy problem to solve though. 05:23:11 In any case, if monero really becomes a threat to a well funded actor, seems to me that the current state of things won't be much of an obstacle 05:23:41 Best short term thing you can do is to mine on p2pool. 05:23:53 Indeed, but *no* proof of stake -- that is not a solution 05:24:00 Medium term and long term, we're still working out a solution. 05:26:19 Gupax is an all-in-one tool that can get you set up on p2pool and mining very easily. 05:27:06 Where can i chck the block distribution? 05:27:30 At the bottom of https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero is a pie chart. 05:28:22 This is a really good short term solution. If everyone who cared about monero ran gupax it would add alot of hashing power to the network. You can just leave it on with 1 core mining. 05:30:07 https://gupax.io/ 05:30:28 Yes, I'm already there! 05:32:00 You can also use https://github.com/Cyrix126/gupaxx which adds support for the https://xmrvsbeast.com/p2pool/ raffle for bonus payouts. 05:33:55 yeah that one also adds a gui fro starting and stopping a local node which is nice 05:34:03 yeah that one also adds a gui for starting and stopping a local node which is nice 06:07:17 Will it ever be possible for an efficient method of exchanging Monero for American fiat currency (and vise versa), automatically without trading with users online, all while maintaining complete anonymity? If so, what will it take to achieve this? 06:11:27 Changes in the American legal system. 06:15:04 Major changes need to happen in US law before anonymous purchases of cryptocurrency without interacting with someone else are possible. Peer-to-peer transactions, interacting with someone else to purchase crypto, are allowed, I believe. But those aren't convenient or automatic. 06:15:52 Someone wanna ask Trump to overturn all of KYC/AML laws? 06:26:01 No one cares. 06:26:36 The whole of Monero is to avoid that whole problem of government control of money. 06:26:55 But that means that the on-ramps and off-ramps, which governments interfere with, will always be complicated. 07:10:10 I'm mining on p2pool via gupax. could you explain me what is gupaxx? 07:11:21 I thought gupaxx is a scammer 07:18:46 AFAIK this a is GUI on top of monero mining software. I've not heard of it being a scam before. 08:03:11 gupaxx is a fork of gupax that adds extra features like p2pool nano, prob other things too. not a scammer from my understanding 08:39:17 Hello, I'm not sure if this is more appropriate for #monero-dev, but I read somewhere on the IRC channels that orphaned blocks are automatically launched to mempool? Is that true? Can that be relied on? (obv asking in relation to double-spending attacks) 08:40:27 transactions from orphaned blocks or whatever it was specifically* 08:43:30 Seems like if it was true, it would constitute a softfork at least to change that 08:46:27 Transactions from orphaned blocks are added to the txpool (assuming they're mostly valid). 09:56:58 Where are shorting Qubic? What exchange? 09:58:07 Where are you shorting Qubic? What exchange? 10:04:18 NVM! 14:11:09 When i saw xenu's vid on guppy he had stuff like xmrvsbeast and stuff, is that from gupaxx 14:11:15 When i saw xenu's vid on gupax he had stuff like xmrvsbeast and stuff, is that from gupaxx 14:11:41 xenu's vid on gupax* 14:14:54 yes, gambling 14:15:42 dont use it and just mine normally, gupaxx is afork of gupax with more bug fixes and maintainence 14:44:52 Infinity, come out from the hole your hiding in 15:47:44 I’ll send him something golden 15:52:41 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> make a ccs proposal for 24 karat golden monero statue 16:32:21 the whole point is to rub it in your face, so he has nothing to gain by making his wealth secret 20:36:56 Infinity - last change before anyone knows 20:39:15 I how you’re not trying to pay of that house you bought, probably not since your botnet is running qubic right? 20:39:28 what 20:39:50 That’s a pretty big deal for you considering it’s from Minecraft you made your money 20:40:18 Just remember people deserve to know the truth and for everyone’s interest not just yours, I think we can agree it’s because to pipe down quick 20:40:31 are you on drugs 20:40:54 Absolutely not dude 🤣 20:41:11 Would I be one of the largest monero holders in the world by being in DRUGs dude now way 20:41:33 The point is Infinity is a big part of this community 20:41:49 Because of…. Market share! ;) 20:42:01 I have more btw but he still has some 20:42:21 When I deter rats, just let me do it in peace ideally bro thank you 20:47:25 Only the lower class monero users like drug sellers and other peasants we need off the network, we get them off anyway but do get a high just from that thought of destroying they souls the same way we destroyed Alexandra Cazes 20:48:00 And that poor kid from Taiwan 20:48:40 When for a nice holiday in New York, ready to have a good western life 20:48:51 Went for a nice holiday in New York, ready to have a good western life 20:50:11 Sgp, if you don’t include me to your funding scheme, you’ll have to switch to wownero quick than you thought 20:50:23 Congrats on the premine tho 20:50:31 you came and didn't say hello? 20:50:33 so sad 20:50:50 Fluffy ? 20:51:04 Is it really you? 🙃 20:51:22 I love South Africans but you 20:51:31 You’re something special 20:51:57 You’re actually not a confirmed alt of fluffy yet 20:52:31 i m nioc, who are u 20:52:59 Noc Nguyen 20:53:40 What do you contribute here Nico 20:53:46 What do you contribute here Nioc 20:55:14 I have independent friends but collectively we control monero entirely, you use at least one of our services every transaction you make, you have no choice actually, it’s by design 20:58:23 Anyway, I know the guy who will be happy for me for saying this 20:58:38 Head I’ve to tradeogre.com 20:58:44 Head over to tradeogre.com 20:58:50 There'll be some flat earth speak soon 20:59:00 Get yourself wownero 20:59:02 Monero is falling 20:59:21 Yes flat earth is real 20:59:33 Especially if you haven’t got at least 1 buguatti 20:59:47 And don’t watch Andrew rate 21:00:11 And also have no bought his course on the new word 2.0 out now 21:00:19 And also have not bought his course on the new word 2.0 out now 21:01:13 It’s less than the price of lunch, btw midipeots work is overfunded like hell 21:01:34 Same as Rucknium, sorry your just not good enough at statistical analysis 21:01:39 Learning R doesnt do it 21:02:17 If you had more autistic guys working in monero it would be good 21:02:57 Oh wait you try to scam anyone that’s not an alt of yours created to scam general, country and CCS funds from the community. 21:03:29 Oh wait you try to scam anyone that’s not an alt of yours created to scam general, bounty and CCS funds from the community. 21:04:50 One sec does anyone know why wownero wasn’t advertised as a premine? 21:05:20 It’s a PoW algorithm 21:06:55 Oh shit, Infinity, I just found that Snapchat of you at your house, can you stop attacking Monero with 51% fuckery yet? 21:07:18 I have a feeling it will cool down soon 21:08:13 Oh and that podcast you were on with keemstar!!!! 21:08:44 Hope you feeling better now 21:09:12 Elongated, you’re track record in the community is awe full 21:09:19 Elongated, you’re track record in the community is awful 21:09:30 I don’t even have one 😅 21:09:32 You’re comments are irrelevant 21:09:47 Glad you noticed 21:10:14 Sweet irony. 21:10:19 Precisely, there are people in this chat that there lives depend on the security of monero, so keep your mouth shut. 21:10:43 If I am advocating in a way you don’t like you’re welcome to fuck off elsewhere 21:11:08 And your rants don’t help anyone 21:11:15 If you’re confused or dont know what to say just assume it doesn’t involve you 21:11:42 You have no context here, you can allow it to pass and go about your day. 21:12:05 Bro, calm yourself, you just sent three messages saying the exact same thing 21:12:11 Rants? How do you presume to know who and who I am not helping? 21:12:42 Btw I don’t need to be liked, I don’t care but I still do good here. 21:13:23 So fuck off if you’re a bitch and can’t handle some productive leveraging of my own resources to protect Monero 21:13:25 Okay ofrnxmr 21:13:33 My best friend 21:13:50 🔨 21:13:52 Should you summon him I shall only cause more pain 21:14:00 That doesn’t work here 21:14:04 Sorry but no 21:14:30 Jivan, if I had the time, I’d have you drained for fun 🤫 21:14:43 Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha 21:14:53 1337 h4x0rz 21:15:08 UK based 21:15:50 There are a lot of people trying to do business in the UK that you’re putting a downer on right now 21:16:19 If you want to try and drain me, have at it, I'll give you a headstart: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ztah8l/comment/j1de0w2/ 21:16:38 Sure I’ll star where I like not with some Reddit like 21:16:45 Sure I’ll star where I like not with some Reddit link 21:16:50 Sure I’ll start where I like not with some Reddit link 21:16:53 Skill issue 21:17:19 Unlikely 21:17:47 whatever u say bro 21:18:23 The reason for that is sigma time based message with that CVE months ago 21:18:39 The reason for that is signed time based message with that CVE months ago 21:18:49 Wanna see it 21:18:55 "that" being what, exactly? Do you even coherency? 21:18:58 why has this guy not been banned 21:19:08 Cindy: Agreed 21:19:12 mods are asleep 21:19:27 this is just incoherent spam 21:19:39 like talking to a markov chain or LLM 21:19:41 If I could lift the @banhammer:matrix.org , I would, but sadly I am not worthy. 21:19:42 Which part could you not understand? 21:19:47 everything 21:19:48 I’ll explain with more effort 21:20:06 You cannot lift such hammer 21:20:11 Well, for me, the parts I didn't understand started at "the earth is flat" 21:20:23 Ok, so let’s zoom in 21:20:29 And then it just went even further downhill from there 21:20:33 always zoom out 21:20:37 You want me to help you understand the world 21:20:39 No, I don't 21:20:51 You work by zooming into one thing, let’s do it 21:20:52 Why would you assume such a thing? 21:21:05 jivan: stop taking the bait 21:21:11 The nature of your comments 21:21:22 Only because I don't want to annoy other people with notifs 21:21:27 But i'm enjoying myself otherwise 21:21:44 Supply us both with a unique innovative problem that AI is unlikely to solve 21:21:56 I will put pants this full for fun 21:22:08 I will put pants this fool for fun 21:22:11 P vs NP, feel free to hop into my DMs 21:23:02 No you have earned a public feud, so let’s see what your value is beyond discovering some privacy exploit. 21:23:41 I'm not an exhibitionist, daddy. You know where to find me 😘 21:23:52 I like being called daddy 21:24:02 That has earned you some points 21:24:21 Can I sell them for Monero? (okay I'm really done now, goodnight) 21:24:23 And I’m serious when I say that 21:24:54 i have a question for you, violent_AI_model 21:25:02 who is that poor kid from taiwan you talked about 21:25:22 How much Monero is that worth to you? We can end on a gentle note then. 21:26:19 Everyone who has ever not died and ran some kind of market is stored now in some kind of controlled governmental limbo in the USA 21:26:47 Ross is some weird exception 21:27:03 I think they want him to release his remaining funds 21:27:10 #monero, the place where the animatronic characters here get a bit quirky at night 21:27:30 Pipe down Cindy 21:27:40 I’m the daddy here, as explained earlier 21:28:04 Yes we can be quirky thought I will accept that 21:29:37 I won’t add any more value tonight, I’ve said enough, if you choose or ignore or neglect, it’s at your own expense not mine, I merely make these references for my future reputation in the privacy community 21:30:37 And remember dont be a nigger 21:31:30 ending it off with a racial slur, isn't that amazing 21:31:36 wtf is this chat? 21:31:53 It was a genuine concern for humanity 21:32:02 Especially Americans 21:32:17 The IQ points are dangerously low 21:32:18 smartstone: some schizophrenic spammer got free time, just wait until the mods wake up 21:32:36 That’s fluffypomy btw 21:32:44 The founder of monero ^ 21:33:02 Saying something in public 21:33:20 I have proof but I like keeping most of it to myself 21:34:24 Fluffy you literally wanted this, just switch to pumping wownero now 21:35:02 You planned years ahead, smart in most ways tbh 🤷 21:59:41 Why isn’t monerobull saying something 22:00:02 What 22:00:21 Must be fluffies favorite alt that isn’t botted as much as his 22:00:37 I wish I was fluffy 22:00:40 That guy is mega rich 22:00:56 Actually most of it was seized 22:01:18 Wownerobull is better though no? 22:01:34 Oh of course it already exists 22:01:49 Properly planned go in you! 22:02:05 Properly planned good on you! 22:02:07 Can I go back to doomscrolling now? You interrupted this masterpiece https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIqwtDjpIlX/ 22:02:14 mario vs wario 22:02:19 this is what reminded me of 22:02:30 Yes 22:02:53 A relevant thought process 22:04:43 i mean, the creator of wownero is wowario 22:05:10 But this is honestly a perfect reel to send to a chat to make you seem as if you’re a peasant just like them, especially if you’re doomscrolling. 22:05:51 monerobull: how is roblox titanfall meme supposed to be doomscrolling 22:06:02 Wow, really? That’s incredible, so unique and not at all completely associated with Monero core developers. 22:06:33 Does anyone want to cover why Wownero is not a premine( 22:06:41 Would love to hear from anyway 22:06:43 This guy said I shared the Roblox Titanfall reel to pretend I'm a normy 22:06:46 Would love to hear from anyone 22:07:01 Failed again 22:07:38 Humor is a good way of deterring an audience from then truth, granted 22:07:53 https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKOSGCfx2J4/ 22:08:00 But how many times does it work on average especially if they look at facts 22:08:41 I like this one because it's funny and I'm just a girl looking for a rich crypto guy 22:09:36 You’re fulfilling your anime fantasies of hentai through crypto as a gay South African man who is literally being watched by everyone 22:09:37 I honestly don't know how anything in Wownero would affect Monero directly anyway. 22:10:03 When I say everyone of course I just mean my little grou 22:10:06 When I say everyone of course I just mean my little group 22:10:31 I don't watch hentai, as a monero user I'm not very fond of censorship 😘 22:10:39 Would you like me to educate you? 22:10:55 Ahh but that’s exactly why you like it 22:11:07 That doesn't make any sense 22:11:26 not even Monero-chan hentai? /s 22:11:27 Hm now that you've mentioned it 22:11:41 It’s only censored in Japan ???? 22:11:43 I wonder if the anti censoring ai has gotten fast enough to run in real time 22:12:06 So you are a fan of something that is censored, just like monero. 22:12:30 No sadly not because any brain need context. 22:12:40 We only had 3-4 images and I think 2 might be lost media 22:13:04 That's why I love China yeah 22:13:23 The #SaveMonero crew could be doing better 22:13:44 By recurring instead of scamming smart people 22:13:55 By recruiting instead of scamming smart people 22:14:36 You love china? Nice what a dipshit 22:15:00 I’m sure Xi Jingping will destroy its neighboring countries real soon. 22:16:02 Unless that was sarcasm of course in which I hope you recover from your mindset 22:16:19 Yes I have shorts on tsmc 22:16:52 The invasion will make me even richer than fluffy 22:18:01 Aww 22:18:09 Don’t compare 22:18:37 Fluffy wanted instant gratification 22:19:20 It's not as if China and the US are very different in terms of freedom of expression and privacy. The only difference is that the US tries to appear to have freedom of expression and privacy, and we don't know as much about the Chinese government's leaders dirty dealings (in the case of Xi, for example) as we know about American leaders. 22:19:21 Most of his XMR is gone 22:19:57 Respectfully, stop, I’m making a more productive point, 22:20:02 Respectfully, stop, I’m making a more productive point. 22:23:01 The core team here run several bothers or if you don’t they’ve partnered with botnet owners to keep Monero relevant, I’m not saying this is OK, but if they start framing people it’s a nigger move. 22:23:13 The core team here run several botnet or if you don’t they’ve partnered with botnet owners to keep Monero relevant, I’m not saying this is OK, but if they start framing people it’s a nigger move. 22:23:58 The core team here run several botnet or if they don’t they’ve partnered with botnet owners to keep Monero relevant, I’m not saying this is OK, but if they start framing people it’s a nigger move. 22:25:39 Especially when the main nigger has already been told not to involve himself, but has continued to do so anyway. 22:26:35 In this case we’re talking about the white nigger that is fluffypony. 22:27:23 how do botnet owners keep monero relevant? 22:27:46 Good question 22:28:32 They keep the RandomX hash rate very high which is optimized for the average computer 22:28:50 It’s not a GPU effective alorigthm 22:29:15 You need RAM and CPU generally 22:29:21 High clock low core is fine 22:29:54 So perfect for an infective community 22:30:20 So perfect for an infective community 22:30:31 Do you have a problem with botnets (decentralization) or something else? 22:32:28 asic manufacturers benefit from bitcoin too 22:32:37 I don't get your point tbh 22:32:51 It seems fluffy and his associates do not have a problem with botnets 22:33:04 It seems to directly benefit the 12000xmr he has left 22:33:51 Less the tail emission 22:35:02 I think the general adoption of the coin thought innovative developments like COMIT and Haveno protocol would maybe better use of moneros spare ‘resources’ 22:35:39 i mean 22:35:47 it's intentionally not GPU efficient 22:35:53 nor ASIC-efficient 22:35:56 But the team are fairly useless, that’s why I even bring up wownero as a joke, to have a good product you need a good team and the reality is that monero can be forked and will be 22:36:11 obviously lol :P 22:36:32 without forks, you cant improve a network 22:36:35 so monero supports forks 22:36:36 And it actually has already with make decentralization benefits 22:36:51 y'know how many hard forks monero has had? 22:36:54 like 11 or so 22:37:02 It won’t be improving fluffys network but it will make a better privacy ecosystem 22:37:44 We are very much against providing fluffy with any more cash to corrupt his living style actually 🥳 22:38:31 Aim is for monero deflationary now, and to introduce something probably at least with a DAO that is honest. 22:38:42 so for summary 22:38:52 Oh 22:38:57 Let’s hear it from Cindy 22:39:00 the reason why you're all against monero is because you're jealous of fluffy's XMR wallet 22:39:30 No, actually it’s his crazy approach towards managing the XMR community 22:40:13 Wdym by manage? 22:40:17 also i'd like to give you an award 22:40:34 He provides the illusion of no involvement 22:40:36 for The Person In #monero Who Managed to Say A Racial Slur 3 Times in a Row 22:40:47 I have factual evidence against all of this 22:41:04 I don’t care if the nigger has some 22:41:05 Cash left over 22:41:28 He is running everything exactly how he was when he started 22:41:56 I don’t need to prove it to anyone, but I can leverage it for myself lie I would any other opertunity 22:42:09 I don’t need to prove it to anyone, but I can leverage it for myself like I would any other opertunity 22:42:20 I get that devs and major asset holders can maintain a large degree of influence over a project but I don't see how one could argue that he controls it or has the final say when it's foss software at the end of the day 22:42:48 i mean, it's not just him 22:42:57 it's a commitee of people 22:43:00 like luigi1111 22:43:21 The devs are not a major asset holder unless they also understand business they way fluffy does 22:43:29 It’s not a committee of people 22:43:49 grommet: PoS makes it very easy to maintain a large degree of influence :P 22:43:54 It’s an illusion of several complete pseudonyms 22:44:09 But xmr is pow tho 22:44:13 i know 22:44:19 All operated by the same entity 22:44:22 just criticizing other cryptocurrencies that have PoS 22:44:27 Some powered by AI 22:44:46 POW, PoS, PoH 22:44:54 It’s all the same crap 22:45:02 anyway i've had enough of this guy's schizophrenic and racist talk 22:45:14 you should get off your iphone 22:45:32 No one has cracked the algorithm of life yet, but concatenated in some complex way, sure these might all contribute 22:46:12 Cindy the true skitzophrenic 22:46:24 I'm just waiting for FCMPs to come out 22:46:33 What’s your main contributions? 22:46:50 Let us evaluate them for you? 22:46:52 i see iphone quotes 22:47:02 you're either an iphone user, or an LLM because LLMs use those kinds of quotes too 22:47:06 including mdashes 22:47:25 You’re waiting for post apocalyptic stuff dude 🤣 22:47:36 It does seem like it's been forever 22:48:11 In good that you recognize some AI patterns, they don’t fit, what you’re explanation? 22:48:36 It’s good that you recognize some AI patterns, they don’t fit, what you’re explanation? 22:48:50 Tbf though larger ring signatures is unnecessary. Chain analysis can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt who made a transaction. There is always plausible deniability. 22:49:50 larger is better than smaller :P 22:49:54 And what proof do you have for this schizophrenic theory of yours? It seems like you're just ragebaiting. If you have such proof, why haven't you shown it yet? @violent_fairy:matrix.org 22:50:00 No there isn’t, there is a botnet live right now that ensure with more than 51% probability that your transaction with be tracked. 22:50:43 Not good enough evidence in court 22:51:04 No I don’t require proof like this as I have leverage one cannot aquire such leverage and adequately attain such influence 22:51:05 51% attacks do not impact ring signatures 22:51:16 Prove it 22:51:24 Lol 22:51:33 You lol but listen 22:52:14 ragebait used to be convincing... 22:52:24 Cindy prove that ring signatures cannot 22:52:25 Be impacted in a 51% attach 22:52:27 Cindy prove that ring signatures cannot
Be impacted in a 51% attack 22:53:03 i want you to prove why they can :P 22:53:05 I love this, Low Degree, what have you worked on? 22:53:23 Is your idea that a 51% attack could be used to change the codebase to decrypt past transactions or something? 22:54:04 Ok so you’re slightly analytical, I can prove the current state of ring signatures are not working but I want you to give me your best short first 22:54:05 and how can you prove that it affects RingCT? 22:54:09 grommet: 51% attacks can not change the coinbase 22:54:12 codebase* 22:54:24 it only changes the network consenus, like a partial hard fork 22:54:38 and that alone isn't enough to break ring signatures 22:54:47 Thought not but it's been a while since I researched all this 22:55:09 Ring signatures narrow down to 10 people 22:55:37 Or entities 🙄 22:55:49 Even if it was just narrowed down to two people that would still be good enough 22:55:57 I never worked on Monero directly, the most I did was make some comments and talk about news on r/Monero, I deleted my account because I no longer want to use centralized social networks. And you? 22:56:36 Then use Lemmy 22:56:42 And fuck off 22:57:13 I think there is some cancer like https://monero.town 22:57:35 Decentralized like fuck that is 22:57:42 Why the ping? 22:57:48 I got banned from it 22:57:54 Here is is 22:57:59 The lord all of shit 22:58:12 I have the impression that you are someone from Zcash or some scammer who failed to scam Monero users or was an idiot who ended up leaving Monero to go to another crypto and ended up regretting it. 22:58:21 effective ring signature is 4.2 (OSPEAD research) 22:58:37 Ban hammer 22:58:49 OfrnAI and its derivatives such as those on Reddit like Snowwanker 22:58:53 lowdegree: or a troll trying to waste our time 22:59:00 with dumb shit 22:59:15 Banner hammer only words for idiots 22:59:30 I use :D 22:59:46 But did you get past that hurdle with this channel? 😔 22:59:50 if you dont give them attention, they'll start pinging specific users to drag them in and get their attention 22:59:54 Driving right now, be home in 30 23:00:08 Dont go home 23:00:12 It’s not worth it 23:00:36 Better to go back the the Pacific Ocean 23:00:42 It's most likely, but I have nothing to do right now and I want to see where this goes, lol 23:01:33 Will monero devs ever force miners to use p2pool to make 51% attacks impossible? It would at least shut the fudders up. 23:01:55 no 23:01:59 https://antimoonboy.com/posts/aotpo29/ 23:02:02 because that'd create a permissioned system 23:02:32 there was some guy on the PoW issue on MRL that suggested turning monero mining into a pyramid scheme 23:02:33 What does that mean? 23:02:53 grommet: only people who fit a certain requirement can mine 23:03:06 a system where only people who fit a certain requirement can mine* 23:03:35 Isn't it permissioned already in the sense that you need a cpu to mine? 23:03:42 RandomX don't make this? 23:03:53 not really 23:04:06 I have convinced at least 2 people to switch to p2pool :) 23:04:12 shilling it hard, bcz its great 23:04:36 RandomX is designed to be efficient to mine in CPUs, yeah 23:04:47 No, I recognize who runs Qubic, he’s living in California, I recognize other problem in the monero community does as fluffy. The most crazy shit is when I release why the content length of binarybaron compiled monero binaries don’t match reality. 23:04:55 but if you want, you can make a garbage CPU based off of RandomX in ASIC and try to mine with that 23:05:00 "RandomX don't make this?" 23:05:10 no, not you lowdegree 23:05:15 i'm responding to grommet 23:05:42 So I’ll just go ahead release that now on the record 23:05:45 RandomX is an entire CPU on its own 23:05:47 Would p2pool not be permissioned if it was directly integrated into the xmr codebase or something? I don't really get the distinction of what makes something permissioned 23:06:07 like, a CISC CPU, that is implemented as a virtual machine most times 23:06:32 You’re purposefully trying to direct the conversation to elsewhere 23:06:38 grommet: no, you need to somehow fingerprint p2pool users and write that into the network consenus 23:06:46 I had forgotten the quotes, as I've seen many people (Bitcoin Maxis in general) saying that Monero needs permission because it uses RandomX. 23:06:56 to be like "only p2pool users can mine, or else your blocks will be orphaned" 23:06:58 People it’s enter to use https://xmr.social 23:07:24 People it’s better to use https://xmr.social 23:07:49 lowdegree: RandomX is more like a soft permission, because you can make an ASIC that mines RandomX 23:08:00 but it won't be as efficient as modern CPUs 23:08:21 because modern cosumer CPUs are made by giant corporations with departments dedicated to optimizing their hardware as much as they can 23:08:27 I don't get why that's bad though. Is it seemingly unfair to long time miners or people who don't/can't update their systems? 23:08:43 Yeah and use the banlist too, it stops the 51% attack from working 🤣 23:08:48 Like changing userspace on a linux update? 23:08:50 and ASIC manufacturers can not compete with that, their design will be leagues away from Intel's 23:09:19 grommet: most people frown upon arbitrary requirements 23:09:42 It’s not relevant to topic, the ban list that rucknium created introduces the ability for the core team to again control the monero network 23:10:32 It's not arbitrary though. It's essential to maintaining network security. We can never be completely sure that a 51% attack won't happen otherwise. 23:10:45 and also like pools can spoof themselves to be p2pool 23:11:22 you can never actually assume a miner is mining via p2pool unless you tightly integrate the network with p2pool's chain 23:11:41 That's what I'm suggesting 23:12:56 Mining is such an essential part of a PoW crypto that it seems strange not to have a highly permissioned system in regards to how it functions. 23:13:02 It's optional and nothing stops you from using your own node (if they wanted to censor nodes, do you really think they would reinforce that people should use their own nodes?). 23:15:23 The monero network itself is p2p, why not the mining? 23:15:58 i don't honestly know ^^; 23:17:48 There are technically three p2pools. Because p2pool was not tightly integrated with Monero, it left the chain free to do innovations like creating three versions of the pool for miners of different speeds. If it were tightly integrated it would require coordination with the main network to do things like that. 23:19:51 For varying speeds? Doesn't that just affect how often blocks are mined and how distributed the payouts are? How would that even apply to a p2p pool? 23:20:26 But anyways I think having that coordination would be a good thing at the end of the day. 23:20:48 there are 3 p2pool chains 23:20:53 for main, mini, nano 23:22:11 so you'd need integration with all 3 of them 23:22:30 Also, mining pools can mine to p2pool undetectably with the current version, it would require just as much effort to try to force everyone to use p2pool as it would be to fight pool centralization some other way. If not more, since bundling p2pool with the Monero node software makes an already complex program even more complex. 23:29:03 Hmm. Even if the current implementation of p2pool wouldn't work exactly, I still think the principle of having a mining system that's decentralized by force is an interesting concept. It always struck me as an obvious failure point of other cryptos like bitcoin for example and it seems to easily avoidable, in theory at least. 23:29:41 Hmm. Even if the current implementation of p2pool wouldn't work exactly, I still think the principle of having a mining system that's decentralized by force is an interesting concept. It always struck me as an obvious failure point of other cryptos like bitcoin for example and it seems to be easily avoidable, in theory at least. 23:31:26 I don't actually think mining pools are a bad thing, personally. EXCEPT for the whole tendency to centralization, mining pools have a lot of benefits. To be clear, I think for Monero we should still develop ways to discourage pool mining, and I wouldn't say no to banning pools entirely, but I wouldn't say no to a solution that still permitted pools while preventing centralization. 23:37:09 Is it true that bitcoin has more LoC than monero or is chatgpt hallucinating on me again? 23:37:58 download both source codes, do wc -l 23:38:04 dont rely on a LLM 23:40:51 `wc --lines $(find . -iname \*.cpp)` implies they are both about the same size. 23:41:13 216k of CPP code in Monero, 219k in Bitcoin. 23:42:47 Exluding documentation and non-code stuff. Caveats: comparing lines of code is a flawed way to compare two projects. Even two projects in the same language might, for instance, differ in density of comments or format the code differently. Lines of code also can't express how much review and research went into the code. 23:44:15 There are concepts such as ELoC (effective lines of code), but that too is often of fairly fairly limited use. 23:45:41 Fair points. Still interesting to consider how minimal it is overall to something like a web browser though. Makes me question the whole complexity argument. 23:46:21 Fair points. Still interesting to consider how minimal it is overall compared to something like a web browser though. Makes me question the whole complexity argument. 23:48:13 It's complex software, but a fair amount of complexity is in the crypto, when crypto code tends to be fairly small compared to other types of code. 23:49:08 Yeah obviously there's not nearly as much math or cryptography that goes into browser development and there are well documented web specs that are only a matter of dedication to implement. Not really cutting edge stuff for most of it. 23:50:17 I've heard it said that better programmers write less code. It really is hard to measure anything from the code itself. 23:51:05 Of course... we could start vibe coding Monero. AI tends to copy and paste and duplicate stuff all over. That would definitely make the Monero project bigger. /s 23:51:41 Then we could have a CCS for cleaning up all the vibed code. 23:51:54 Great idea! 23:52:12 windows has a new update where it will brick your SSD 23:52:30 the benefits of vibe-coding :P 23:52:33 I've heard that the original xmr codebase is actually quite janky. 23:53:30 I've heard that the original xmr codebase is actually quite janky, so that ccs idea sounds pretty good tbh 23:54:08 Glad I stopped using windows many years ago. 23:55:11 Anyways gn bros