00:10:13 wut dis, https://x.com/fluffypony/status/1957791643232289246 00:10:19 https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/140 02:30:43 can we have a bridge to #monero-marketing? 03:10:21 @Cindy I can't make the bridge, but i copied your suggestion for marketing and request for the bridge into #monero-marketing. 03:10:58 thx 03:13:27 What makes you choose IRC over Matrix? Just wondering since I’m new to this stuff 03:13:54 because it's more stable and easier to use? 03:14:24 and without 'blinking lights' 04:30:16 Desperation from CfB. Many people are shorting Qubic, and I know someone in this chat who has made about $150k so far from shorting Qubic. Their scheme is falling apart and people are now taking advantage of Qubic. 04:30:38 No one cares about non-Monero shitcoins 04:31:32 Qubic is notable for their attempt to threaten Monero, not for their attempt to spew bullshit 04:31:42 lots of random scam tokens do that 04:34:34 If the price falls enough, their incentives will become almost worthless, reducing the weight of their attack. 05:53:17 There are some mining rigs for rent that only appear to run while being rented, like this one: https://www.miningrigrentals.com/rigs/322626/ 05:53:17 You might have to check "show offline" in the main list to see them, since they are offline while not being rented. It's also not possible to verify that they aren't secretly mining outside of the MiningRigRentals server while offline. 08:58:03 Is there any way to deserialize the raw_data that was constructed through wallet rpc transfer? 09:00:24 Hey guys really sorry if this is the wrong place. I want to trade my BTC for monero but dont really know how. Exchanges in my country dont have XMR. Can I get some advice on what ever "Atomic Swap" is, or a place I can learn? 09:00:25 Again, so sorry if im in the wrong place 09:01:16 Trocador.app 09:01:17 Bisq 09:01:19 Retoswap 09:01:21 Basicswapdex 09:02:47 Wow thankyou so much. Do you have a favorite, of these 3? 09:17:37 There is also unstoppablewallet which recently renamed to eigenwallet https://eigenwallet.org/download.html 09:19:56 Briefly Atomic Swaps are trustless, you either get your BTC refunded or the exact amount of XMR you expected. You have to download software that you need to navigate around to do this for you - and making sure that the offer you take has an acceptable exchange rate 09:28:01 Because you want to obtain xmr with a transparent coin (btc) you have to worry about its history - atomic swaps are the best way to do this ofc as there will be no way to have your funds withheld if source of funds is demanded which could occur on instant swap sites which sre most likely available for you 09:41:50 Some atomic swaps do not require specific software apart from web browser and monero wallet 09:48:21 ah true i forgot. Are there any BTC - xmr ones though? I only know of the BCH - xmr one @ https://axeswap.net/ from mainnet pat 09:52:46 Not sure you could do without a specific client when none of the chains have smart contract capabilities 12:16:29 I like haveno, but it’s not a replacement for local monero at least in my opinion. 12:27:10 it is different in how they operate 12:28:46 or work 12:29:29 it could be very well a better replacement than localmonero as with its design, could never be private or anonymous 12:32:29 LM was as private an anonymous as haveno 12:32:52 (Assuming you used it via onion or i2p) 12:34:40 well, close enough 12:35:10 I get that, but local monero was just so convenient and easy to use 12:48:44 sure it is very decentralized if you imagine so 12:48:52 ofrnxmr wasn't there a difference in who controls your wallet? 12:49:28 that is, did LM custody your wallet? 12:51:35 haveno's only decentralized in the network transversal 12:52:37 Nioc, honestly dont remember (and cant say, because it was proprietary). But i think it was something like they custodied a wallet that was protected by your password 12:53:20 Also @rando private and anonymous have nothing to do with decentralization 12:55:11 I never claimed LM to be decentralized. I said it haveno's privacy isnt much better 13:28:15 they can start logging and steal anyone's key whenever they want and it would be hard to tell if they are doing so 13:29:18 That would fall under non-custodial 13:30:10 I didn't use LM, but if anyone u had to create a wallet on LM to use it, right? 13:30:35 allegedly, LM could steal the funds frok your wallet. BUT iirc, LM claimed to not have access to your wallet 13:31:04 they could compromise this process from the start 13:31:06 LM gave you a subaddress to deposit to 13:31:15 trusting a website is always bad 13:31:18 Meaning, if you forgot your password, the wallet was locked permanantly. No way to know if true, since it was centralized & custodial 13:31:38 Nioc, they gave you either a) your own wallet or b) your own subaccount 13:31:48 yes 13:31:50 Because you could rotate subaddresses 13:33:16 anyways, LM is history now, I would suggest using our energy on improving haveno. 13:33:47 or the next big thing if ever 13:37:55 As much as i like haveno, as long as 2 randos can sweeo the orderbook, i find it hard to trust 13:39:04 the only current mitigation is to password protect your offers. But then nobody can take your offer, lol. 13:40:48 I think my idea was to only require funding the deposit, then trade oartner sends trade request, and when you accept, the rest of the funds are moved. if you dont accept, you can lose your deposit. If rogue arbitrator, you can only lose your deposit 13:40:59 Remember if a wallet is custodial. the money isn’t really yours until you withdraw 13:41:20 thats what custodial means 🫡 13:43:29 Downside: takes an extra 20mins. 13:43:29 Upside: you dont have to risk your whole offer 13:54:18 When local monero was around I never used the wallet that they gave me in my account. I only used wallets I controlled 13:54:49 ? 13:55:09 when selling coins, you had to use the internal wallet 13:55:33 When buying coins, you _had_ to use an external wallet 14:01:08 Yeah I never sold monero on local monero. I just bought coins from there 15:51:19 So what’s the conclusion of now the 51% attack and what are the countermeasures 15:58:38 The conclusion is that numbers dont matter 15:58:46 35 identifies as 51 15:58:58 Its 2028, and you can be whatever you want 16:04:54 there was no 51% attack 16:06:18 Yes there was 16:06:24 35 is the new 51 16:06:43 And im george washington 16:06:44 Its 2028 <<>> damn, I need to set my clocks 16:07:14 Yeah. I didnt know it was 2028 until a few mins ago. Monero us 14000usd bte 16:07:29 btw* 17:12:20 Don’t post any FUD pls 17:13:33 Tell that to someone who poated fud, sir/maam 17:14:56 14000$ for one Monero?? Why so bearish 17:15:28 140k before ye 2025 minimum 17:17:43 typo 17:36:15 lmao just figured out whatever Ubuntu LTS I originally installed on my system had dnssec explicitly disabled in resolved and that's why I've been getting DNS errors for years 18:54:41 They didn’t achieve a 51% hashrate, they got 53 out of 97 blocks at that time I believe. As for countermeasures. not much, because we’re sticking with pow and we just have to hope the price of monero goes up substantially to incentivize more miners to mine monero. 19:05:57 i wanted to estimate how it will affect my electric bill, just gotta find my meter maybe.. or i was thinking of buying a kill-a-watt to measure just the computer.. 19:08:44 But NGU is bad 19:09:45 also how will the price go up if it's not on many exchanges? arbitrage? 19:10:16 Adoption 19:11:15 Easy dex, bidirectional atomic swaps 19:12:20 See evm chain swap mechanics, if we even get half of the functionality it will be good 19:43:02 More like 53/120 w/ 23 orphans 19:43:52 Price goes up when we stop selling for peanuts 19:47:31 I was talking about the 51% claim from like a week ago that the news articles latched onto. 19:47:57 yes 19:48:25 Didn’t they orphan over 8% of blocks that day? 19:48:28 When they mined "51/100" blocks, ~20 of those blocks were reorged. There were actually ~40 blocks 19:49:06 20 blocks reorged is under 3% 19:49:37 Oh ok 19:51:01 think abt it like this. If you produce 10 blocks, and i also produce 10 blocks, there are 20 blocks 19:51:34 to say that i produced 10/10 blocks is lying. I produced 10/20 19:52:00 True 19:52:15 Even if, on chain, it shows that i produced those 10 blocks, it doesnt show that, during that period, there were 20 blocks produced 19:54:27 I mean even if Qubic did get 51% of blocks. It’s not really surprising, because they often get 30 to 40 percent of the hashrate pretty consistently. So it was only a matter of time that they would be able to achieve more than half of the blocks by mere chance. 19:56:05 A 51% attacker can do 100% of blocks 19:59:14 Yeah, because they could just orphan all the other pools pretty much, but the owner of Qubic just wants easy cash. so like most scammers he will choose the path of least resistance. He pretty much got what he wanted. he gets publicity, his coin gets pumped up and he gets to dump. Then he rolls in the sweet cash. 19:59:43 if he orphans all the other pools, it will kill monero's value 20:00:02 which is bad for his plan because he wants to use XMR to buy more QUBIC 20:00:33 True and that’s why I believe that’s not really his goal and he’s moving on to dogecoin anyway in a couple months 20:01:16 Got to feed the endless hype machine to pump his coin 20:06:27 Moving to doge is just hype 20:06:59 If you want to be famous, why would you mention attacking ltc? 20:09:18 I mean he knows it’s impossible for him to realistically go after dogecoin, but it doesn’t matter and when hype overrides people’s brains. People will just believe whatever he says no matter what. 20:09:29 their attacks are based on hype, clout and fud 20:10:14 No it isnt 20:10:21 dolus1, you'll need to trial and error, i'm not underclocking might get you a better hash per wat ratio 20:10:35 Doge miners are just opportunistic litecoin miners 20:10:37 not sure* 20:10:39 watt* 20:10:46 COME ON MATRIX SEND THE MESSAGE ALREADY 20:11:11 Doge, as a chain, is essentially deadcode with no real users 20:11:18 matrix needs 20 seconds to send a message 20:11:23 don't rush it 20:11:26 also dolus1 longevity is a factor for gpu because they are very complex, but CPU are literally indestructible 20:11:27 i will do that after it's built 20:11:57 also dogecoin is fucking dead 20:12:01 AM5 CPUs are designed to run with no longevity loss at 95°C 20:12:05 or so AMD claim 20:12:07 i'm 99% sure overclocking will reduce energy efficiency, sure i will get more hash rate but also use up far more kwh which i don't want to do 20:12:16 it's just a rugpull currency for elon musk at this point 20:12:29 and qubic wouldn't have much to ruin :P 20:12:31 yeah. Doge is garbage money 20:12:36 I mean sure, but with a dogecoin and litecoin are merged mined. it would be extremely difficult for him to take on both 20:12:48 No it isnt, @bart 20:13:00 The plan isnt for qubic themselves to mine doge 20:13:01 according to the xmrig benchmark site the 7950x will net around 22-24kh/s so that is what i will try to achieve with it 20:13:25 Its to get litecoin miners to accept pay in qubic to mine doge 20:13:29 lmao, these benchmarks are VEEEERRRRRRYYYYYYY synthetic 20:13:43 you can expect less 20:13:50 my current machine mines on average 5.5 kh/s (pc built in 2019 with ryzen 5 3600) so it will at least be a good improvement 20:14:11 Those benchmarks are like overclocking to the max 20:14:19 To try to get #1 on the leaderboard 20:14:22 and also sorts of complete autism rabbit hole 20:14:29 yeah literally benchmaxxing 20:14:44 22kH/s is what I achieve with my R9 9th gen 20:15:11 and that's really the top 20:15:28 I usually sit at around 19 20:15:30 Why so slow 20:15:32 My 3600 underclocked does at least 6 20:15:53 can you do damage undervolting? 20:15:56 it wasn't made for mining and has seen a lot of use 20:16:00 no 20:16:01 No 20:16:11 that's what I thought :p 20:16:15 You can go to low and have kernal panics 20:16:22 thanks for confirming though 20:16:23 Or fail to boot 20:16:24 never tried it 20:16:31 yeah at best you'll fuck the schedule clock 20:16:37 just reboot 20:16:45 Try it. These things are all way too high from factory 20:16:52 it's just fiddling in the bios as I understood it? 20:17:01 My sys is way more stable and runs cooler with a slight undervolt 20:17:19 YEAH BUT ACTUALLY LE TURBO GAMING MODE IS LE IMPORTANT OR SOMETHING 20:17:21 I dont remember how much i lowered it though 20:17:25 i'd like to undervolt to about 2/3 - 1/2 normal voltage and run a number of 7950 systems in parallel 20:17:50 gl with your endeavor 20:17:56 although at a certain point i might be better off just getting a single rig with an epyc 20:18:00 i'm not sure yet 20:18:11 epyc 100% 20:18:16 afaik epycs are the most efficient 20:18:22 yeah 20:18:30 good to know then i will probably look into getting one of those 20:18:34 They cost the most fir the hardware 20:18:39 but as usual, any good hardware is enterprise hardware and therefore very expensive 20:18:41 although the mobos for them are pretty expensive compared to normal ones 20:18:43 So roi is a longer 20:18:52 i don't care as much about roi 20:19:02 i want efficiency mostly and not too high consumption 20:19:19 so epyc it is i guess 20:19:26 from what I theoretically calculated they return most / watt 20:19:28 Idk about now, but isnt 3900 still one of the most efficient 20:19:30 At winter I don't want efficiency I want heat but ig different needs 20:20:03 as I see it the hardware cost is not the problem, it's the recurring cost for electricity that kills profits 20:20:31 Hardware costs more than power in the short-med term 20:20:33 last year's winter i put my pc under my bed just so that hot air goes into me during the night 20:20:38 Like 10000 for a server is worse than $35/mth 20:20:49 honestly unless you have free electricity via solar or something idk if mining xmr is profitable at all right now 20:21:07 you get it right 20:21:11 Its as profitable as the price you sell it for 20:21:15 it's only profitable if you have free electricity 20:21:22 yeah or this 20:21:34 i could install a couple solar panels to offset the cost 20:21:38 maybe 20:21:46 if you market sell to mexc while they have withdrawals closed, sounds like a you problem 20:21:49 big investment imo but I would be excited to hear about it 20:21:53 installing solar panels just to mine will not help 20:22:06 if you calculate the cost of that solar installation in 20:22:16 solution: steal the solar panel 20:22:22 solution: steal the hardware 20:22:25 solution: steal money 20:22:37 Borrow* 20:22:38 order ski mask + airsoft gun for FREE HARDWARE??? 20:23:16 just go near highway and wait until hardware falls of truck 20:23:49 so now i need to start looking for an epyc..... 20:23:52 🤔 20:24:04 maybe secondhand from a data center? 20:24:18 poke me in dm if you find one (you won't) 20:24:20 you can find good deals online if you look around a bit 20:25:15