01:14:42 i need to find out how to keep my monero now that kraken has said it weill be delisted 01:14:54 any help will be greatly appreciated 01:15:32 put in in an opensource wallet 01:15:39 use feather wallet. 01:15:41 https://docs.featherwallet.org/ 01:15:50 it's not yours if it's on kraken 01:16:01 yes, feather is good 01:16:05 cakewallet is good too for phones 01:16:17 okay thank you. i also saw something online about retoswap. is it different? 01:16:27 it's not a wallet 01:16:34 i think i have something on exodus 01:16:42 it's for p2p trading 01:17:03 exodus I believe is closed source 01:17:04 ah okay...so that means i can't store xmr on retoswap? 01:17:16 no 01:17:32 so it is not private? 01:17:59 it's not a wallet, it's a p2p trading platform 01:18:49 when you make a wallet and before you send anything there make sure you write down your seed and store it somewhere safe 01:18:51 okay thanks 01:19:12 then write it down again and store it in a different safe location 01:19:30 you can do it a 3rd time if you like 01:19:52 okay thank you. is featherwallet difficult to use? i have very little tech knowledge. what about cakewallet? is it easier? 01:20:53 without a seed or saved keys you will not have access to your xmr if something happens to your wallet, wheter corruption or your computer falls in a vat of acid 01:21:10 feather is relatively easy 01:21:33 there is also a feather channel 01:21:55 okay i guess i will try to set it up. then i guess i will go to kraken and transfer it to the featherwallet. 01:21:57 I am on IRC and it is on the OFTC irc network #feather 01:22:08 oh thanks 01:22:19 it's bridged to matrix 01:22:47 you can ask feather related questions there 01:22:48 i'm embarrassed to have to say that i have no idea what that means 01:22:58 okay thanks 01:23:11 we all start somewhere :) 01:23:28 how do i get to the featherwallet chat? 01:24:03 I am not familiar with matrix sorry, hopefully someone else can help you with that 01:25:53 xmrhelp2025 featherwallet.org is the website, there may be links there to the matrix channel 01:26:47 https://matrix.to/#/#feather:monero.social 01:28:14 nioc -> is featherwallet using the latest version of wallet2? v0.18.4.2 removed `find_and_save_rings()` and I don't think feather wallet has reflected this change yet 01:28:50 don't know 01:29:09 nvm feather wallet fixed this 2 years ago: 01:29:09 https://github.com/feather-wallet/monero/commit/e3c42cf041d742b2d2771b0e67ab6cbc39b82e6c 01:29:11 https://github.com/feather-wallet/monero/commit/1cb36008a9bd57237c3c626adef9d8043e89bae8 01:29:35 nioc -> is feather wallet using the latest version of wallet2? v0.18.4.2 removed `find_and_save_rings()` and I don't think feather wallet has reflected this change yet 01:32:18 thx 02:06:33 i tried installing featherwallet and got an invalid signature 02:08:04 Best OS for CPU mining? 02:08:46 The one you like 02:08:52 Best OS for CPU mining? I want to run my mini PC as a headless server. Already tried RPi OS full and Ubuntu, neither would show up on my network. 02:09:04 More info plz 02:09:52 Not sure why they wouldnt show up aside from .. 🤷‍♂️. Dont know enough about your setup 02:10:43 windows can get better hashrates than linux, macos and linux both work fine, windows likes to do what it wants instead of what you tell it 02:10:50 Best os is the one you like 02:11:35 I dont like windows and dont use macs. I use like 5 different linux distros for absolutely no reason at all 02:11:43 I refuse to use windows, to invasive of your privacy. 02:12:02 when i tried to verify with kleopatra after downloading the signature it said it was invalid. 02:12:15 so youre question is best linux distro? 02:12:23 Where did you download from? 02:12:43 the featherwallet links 02:13:24 There have been fake feather websites, but i dont think any have served modifies binaries yet 02:13:59 So the verification issue is "probably" missing steps or a mistake on your end 02:14:23 (idk what kleopatra is. I verify things from the command line) 02:14:42 how should i proceed? i am not tech savy. 02:16:03 should i delete everything from explorer and try to start over? 02:19:17 you should try more powerful kernel such as linux-zen and check your system config 02:21:56 are you using windows? 02:22:07 yes 02:22:15 you can check and compare the signature using the properties tab 02:22:53 right click the binary -> show more options -> properties -> digital signatures 02:23:24 at first it was certified as valid by kleopatra but the instructions said to go back and download the signature. when i did so kleopatra said it was invalid. 02:24:05 is the fingerprint `8185 E158 A333 30C7 FD61 BC0D 1F76 E155 CEFB A71C`? 02:24:50 I assume you're following this guide: 02:24:51 https://docs.featherwallet.org/guides/windows 02:24:53 yes 02:25:27 yes 02:26:05 you have the legitimate binary. you can cross-check using these sources: 02:26:05 https://docs.featherwallet.org/guides/release-signing-key 02:26:55 if you really want to make sure you can ask @tobtoht:monero.social (maintainer of feather wallet) in #feather:monero.social 02:26:58 I'm not sure how long it will take for him to respond 02:27:11 i am here 02:27:16 oh sorry 02:27:33 what is the difference btw the release signing key and the fingerprint? 02:29:41 the signing key is used to create the signature by the wallet maintainer, while the fingerprint is a string you can use to check if the release signing key pair public key used to sign the binary is correct 02:30:13 why would somebody use windows in 2025 02:30:20 why would kleopatra tell me first it is certified and then that it is invalid? 02:30:26 if the fingerprint matches multiple trustworthy sources, then the public key used to sign that binary is valid :) 02:30:37 I'm not sure 02:31:50 I followed the part in the instructions that says to go back and click on signature. Did I open it in the wrong way? 02:33:03 is this after certifying `featherwallet.asc`? 02:33:54 I am not sure. I thought it was after certifying the .exe version. 02:35:19 I'll try to verify in a vm 02:35:26 wait a min 02:35:30 okay 02:40:40 Valid signature by dev⊙fo 02:40:47 okay 02:41:56 It worked for me. I think I know what the issue might be. Make sure `FeatherWalletSetup-2.8.1.exe` and `FeatherWalletSetup-2.8.1.exe.asc` are in the same directory 02:42:03 Windows Defender might've deleted the setup binary causing it to fail 02:42:29 how do I do that? 02:42:36 I have kaspersky 02:42:55 Did kaspersky delete the setup binary or is it in your Downloads folder? 02:43:07 it's in the downloads folder 02:43:32 Is `FeatherWalletSetup-2.8.1.exe.asc` there? 02:43:39 https://featherwallet.org/files/releases/win-installer/FeatherWalletSetup-2.8.1.exe.asc 02:43:58 yes it is there 02:44:12 Try opening it again with Kleopatra 02:44:36 Tell me what the error is if the signature check fails 02:46:02 how do i open it with kleopatra? 02:46:09 right click then open with kleopatra 02:46:24 it should show the logo 02:46:33 in explorer 02:46:50 it says valid signature 02:47:07 all done! 02:47:13 great! 02:47:23 but why did it say invalid before? 02:47:44 weird I'm not sure 02:47:54 if it shows valid now then whatever happened before doesn't matter 02:48:00 Maybe it downloaded wrong? 02:48:05 okay good. thanks for your help. 02:48:57 I have several copies (with the number added to the file name) in downloads. I think it happened when I had kleopatra match the downloaded signature with the first file. 02:50:24 the first one had a feather logo and the other ones, like the featherwallet.asc have a lock. 02:51:16 btw when you make your wallet, never share your seed with anyone. it doesn't matter what scenario you're in, protect that seed with your life. I also recommend storing the seed offline 02:51:49 okay 02:51:51 if someone accesses your seed, they can steal all your funds 02:52:03 private key as well! 02:52:05 should I delete the duplicate files? 02:52:19 your choice 02:52:33 it doesn't really matter. you can install feather and it should all work fine now 02:52:54 okay great. i guess i will delete them as they are just taking up space. 02:53:46 thanks again for your help. i will continue with the wallet set up and then hopefully be able to get my monero into it. it is currently in kraken and i think there is a bit in a exodus wallet. 02:54:38 i'm just doing everything on windows for now so as not to complicate things with linux. i plan to move it to linux later. i guess that is more private. 02:55:11 I will check back if I have any problems. Thanks again for your help. Cheers. 03:08:44 should i extend my seed with a passphrase? 04:50:02 Depends on your threat model. If you need to store the seed somewhere that might be compromised, then it's probably a good idea. You'll need to have both to recover the wallet. 04:51:03 You can store the seed in one place and the passphrase in another. Splitting the treasure map into two pieces, and you need both to find the treasure. 04:51:19 In my opinion, it usually isn't necessary to use a seed passphrase. 04:51:42 If you are storing enough funds to warrant the extra security, you'll probably benefit more from a hardware wallet or an offline (cold) wallet. 06:09:01 Understood! Thank you for your reply :). 07:18:24 https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/monero-wallet/30449/2 07:18:25 >Everything is open source: the hardware device itself, the firmware, the client. You can literally build the entire Trezor devices yourself. The files for the 3d printable case is on Trezor’s github, along with the schematics for the circuit boards and all of the little electrical parts needed to make your own. 07:18:27 This is true? 14:16:15 Running a privacy-first crypto(XMR) escrow platform just need the right backer to scale. Open to discussing revenue-share with serious investors only. 14:17:40 lawstar: what would your platform offer over just using multisig 14:18:02 and a bunch of arbitrators 14:23:57 hello i am serious investors only where do i sign up 14:24:13 Buying and selling platform 14:24:45 okay so... what do you offer over haveno? 14:29:03 Xmrbazaar alternative 14:29:39 so it's about selling / buying products using monero, not selling / buying monero 14:29:41 ? 14:29:55 you cross posted the same message from telegram in monero-mining 14:30:13 just make it now 14:30:17 and then put fees on it later :P 14:30:21 take my money already , i want a 1% stake in the company for 300 thousands dolllars (cash) 14:30:26 retoswap did that 14:30:32 and xmrbazaar hasn't 14:30:50 Yes 14:31:09 Yes💯 14:31:11 good outreach for serious investors 14:31:23 yes 100% 14:31:36 serious investors would probably laugh 14:31:55 hello sharks 14:31:59 im not laughing 14:32:17 you would think that sentence implies im a big investor 14:32:20 you're not a serious investor then 14:32:23 but actually i agree with you and since i don't laugh that means im'n ot a serious investor 14:32:31 ahem 14:32:35 i love you eddie 14:33:00 hold your horse lets go on a date first 🤣 14:33:12 anyone want to go halves with me? 0.5% each for 150k? 14:36:45 Interested parties are welcome to discuss revenue share. 14:37:52 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/mjeqffrksUJPPUCerotqDxJJ 14:39:18 nobfg9000 images don't work on matrix 14:39:44 I really want to see chud from beyond can you upload it on something else 14:40:27 piece of art 14:40:45 using web version? 14:41:05 I'm on Element iOS 14:41:18 im sorry for your loss 14:41:28 anyway, for me images only seems to works on desktop app 14:42:12 its darkhaired cfb 14:42:27 be careful cfb and his minions read all these logs 14:42:42 we don't want to get sergey chud angry! 15:10:38 lmao 15:11:14 nothing ever happens 15:59:32 https://wublock.substack.com/p/monero-hit-by-a-51-hashrate-attack hitjob articles continue 16:06:01 Did mbll write that one :P haha 16:55:36 https://7hs.com/s/nxnad59k.png 16:55:37 I was just testing image uploads on matrix 16:55:47 for another chat room 16:57:32 but this is something I made for /biz/, I think I said something like "10 mins into randomx and chill and he gives you this look" or "when a monero shill says something so decentralized you gotta hit em with the jimmy neutron stare" 17:44:08 hi all, what's your thoughts on that new CARF thing that the UK is rolling out? 17:44:58 I actually think it will drive the price of especially monero up 17:45:23 not that trading for the prices etc is really something I'm interested in, but I don't think it will kill off crypto/monero in general as I've seen a few people elsewhere fearing 17:52:22 What’s that 17:52:45 I believe that the US already does something like this 17:53:11 Cryptoasset Reporting Framework (CARF) 17:53:41 it's some new legislation about reporting/regulating/taxing crypto exchanges https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/cryptoasset-reporting-framework/implementation-of-the-cryptoasset-reporting-framework-carf 17:54:26 but the TLDR of it is, it's going to make regular crypto (which I guess isn't really private) even worse and the UK gov will be just directly watching everything 17:55:49 I think it does, but from what I've read online this UK one seems slightly more intrusive in some aspects, especially the taxation side. it might just be fearmongering though (that it's worse than the US laws) so I might look even more into it 17:57:17 still, I don't think it will really effect monero 17:59:51 1984 vibes 18:00:24 the US is gutting the irs so that the money people don't have to pay so..... 18:01:04 yup 18:02:03 pretty much like every other gov service in the US at the moment lol 19:12:58

Would anybody be interested in a Linux PAM module that granted access via a valid Monero digital signature and optionally a Monero proof-of-payment? 19:15:17 what 19:15:30 for what use case is this 19:20:57 Secure Linux machines via a Proof-of-Power protocol. 19:23:21 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/authbot.org/pPRHlpPYwpEQOwxSdEZvKLqI 19:27:51

Yep that's it. 19:37:19 where this pic from? feeling a bit sus 19:38:38

I had a friend grab it from the I2P eepsite. 20:14:52 Is anyone interested in a this loaf of bread? 20:15:01 Wow, this is totally wild plowsof, Tell me more! 20:15:20 Yep! you got it plowsof. you see its a loaf of bread, fresh out the oven! 20:15:50 what is the point of this^^^^ 20:19:51 irc can't see the screenshot - my brain is fried after seeing it combined with sovereign and @doug:authbot.org pcre talking to each other about it , are you all human and not the same person? 20:23:17 for irc the image / project theyre talking about https://ri.nadeko.net/a/KviYHrg 21:12:17 soon(tm) IRC will see the images 21:12:55 the irc-matrix bridge maintainer probably retired 21:13:08 I wish 21:16:19 It has been working all this time in p2pool channels, it just needs to sync up to current monero state :D 21:18:21 isn't proof of power kinda the same of proof of work? since work requires power xD 21:23:08