00:23:55 Hello. I would like to get more monero. I wonder if having more DEX / CEX platforms could help me to find more. 01:52:28 Hello. What is the best monero client please? 02:04:03 the official monero client of course https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/ 02:04:23 or feather wallet if you want something more light 02:04:30 great point! Thank you I was going there! sorry for not getting you in touch. 02:05:05 I personally prefer feather wallet because it has support for Tor, I2P, multiple nodes, etc etc 02:05:17 so choose between those two 02:05:20 gogo ^ 02:21:13 Transaction Status 02:21:15 new 02:21:17 should I wait for? 02:21:58 thank you for the information. I currently use native monero wallet because I can combine it within whoniw whith no fear of 3 nodes 02:27:46 I really really hope I did not sent to wrong address! 02:32:12 yes 02:32:22 it takes like 15-20 minutes to get 10 confirmations 02:32:55 great thank you!! 02:33:21 addresses have checksums that make it harder to actually send to a wrong (invalid) address 02:34:34 the person that you sent the money can also see the transaction and the money they received on their wallet as long it has 1 confirmation (I think) 02:34:43 0 confirm 02:34:51 thanks 02:34:56 as soon as it's in the txpool i thik 02:34:59 think* 02:35:12 and after 10 transactions the person that received the money can use it 02:35:17 right Cindy? 02:35:31 10 confirmations*, Sorry 02:37:28 well technically they can use it before 02:37:45 but 10 confirmations is enough to confirm that it is a valid spend 02:37:49 at least right now 02:41:39 It's up to the receiver how many confirmations they want, if they want more. If the biggest pool Qubic is at 33% at times, I'd want 67 confirmations for that as per the tentative table at https://gist.github.com/impredicative/0907e1699f5ff97a9fed5dee20393266 02:42:20 ^ 02:42:37 it's up to the receiver really 02:43:23 but clients use 10 as a standard 02:43:51 Evolver: also this guy looks like he just posts dumb shit from LLMs 02:44:10 well if you find a flaw in it, lmk 02:44:17 because I don't 02:45:05 i would not take this as primary information, because it sounds way too outlandish 02:45:14 67 confirmations is 2 hours 02:45:21 Hello Cindy 02:45:22 It scales up progressively 02:45:52 by 46%, it's over a day 02:46:09 hi recanman 02:46:44 most services actually expire invoices after 24 hours 02:47:01 or less even 02:47:13 They expire if no confs are received 02:47:24 if it's at 0 02:47:54 If it's at >0, but less than their requirement, that's murky. 02:48:42 it's time-based, not conf-based for most 02:49:04 you can go say that to Kraken that asked for 720 confs 02:49:23 for what token 02:50:28 For Monero 02:51:12 I did not had any confitmation yet 02:51:15 still now 02:52:14 well i see 02:52:42 that is about 24 hours 02:52:49 of confirmations 02:54:00 but to be fair, they are a CEX, not a general service 02:54:03 is my monero address not wrong? 02:54:37 Cindy: it makes no difference if it's a CEX or not. One person's Monero is not more valuable than other person's. 02:55:18 you don't understand me 02:55:26 I just transfered 0.004 eth to my monero wallet. Is it normal it took too much time? 02:55:27 they are a CEX who can tolerate the massive amounts of confs 02:55:37 the average person wouldn't 02:55:39 you'd be putting users at risk by asking them to demand less 02:55:55 based on the risk posed 02:56:04 that may be true 02:56:14 gogo2464: eth to monero? 02:56:19 how does that worko 02:56:45 yes 02:57:11 I have been at https://cyphergoat.com 02:59:44 did they give a TXID? 03:00:10 a what? 03:00:44 transaction ID 03:02:26 See "Table: Duration of meta attack to achieve attack success probability of 50 percent" at https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/102#issuecomment-2402750881 for some more data on how many confirmations you may want to accept. 03:03:33 okay this looks like something that was not shat out by an LLM 03:04:11 nice work ruck does 03:09:17 720 blocks for confirmation is overkill. Although, in the case of an actual 51%, like happened to Firo, it might help protect the exchange by forcing the attacker to maintain 51% for longer to pull off a double spend against the exchange. However, I think Kraken is just being very conservative. Probably they don't have the resources to properly investigate the Qubic situation and 03:09:17 do due diligence and so they picked a large and definitely safe number. 03:10:18 yeah, it's 24 hours worth of confirmations 03:10:35 it's way too long, but fair in their positio 03:10:52 Still faster than some fiat deposit methods. 03:11:54 720 confs would be terrible for day-to-day transactions 03:12:07 well.. literal day-to-day 03:12:09 I do not see any transaction ID where should I look? 03:12:22 gogo2464: where are you able to even look at the transaction 03:12:27 is it on their site or your wallt 03:13:02 ah yes I understand. the txid is e92ab891-fff6-43ed-bcdb-390c7e710842 03:13:48 on your wallet or site? 03:14:06 If I am not mistaken, it comes down to what probability you're willing to accept. If I read correctly, the table in the issue uses 0.5 probability of any one double spend. The code in the gist uses a configurable probability of 1e-6. 03:14:46 Just tested, CypherGoat produces URLs like https://cyphergoat.com/transaction/23ac3deb-d676-40bb-a4b9-3599b8c3eec5 which embed a transaction id. 03:15:21 so that's cyphergoat's txid 03:15:40 not monero's txid 03:15:57 Yeah. 03:16:03 https://cyphergoat.com/transaction/e92ab891-fff6-43ed-bcdb-390c7e710842 03:16:12 okay it looks like cyphergoat is just a exchange aggregator 03:16:17 the actual exchange is bitcoinvn 03:17:13 https://bitcoinvn.io/orders/8368267d-3f69-494a-b12f-9a2c91f65ac0 03:17:26 it says waiting 03:19:19 Just so you know, by sharing your exchange transaction ID, you might have just shared your ETH address to this whole chat, but only if you sent ETH to the exchange address. Since we can see the destination ETH address the exchange wants. 03:19:30 https://etherscan.io/address/0x349ecffd58736f2d1ea9dc078939962d91956795 03:19:39 Perhaps for your threat model that doesn't matter. We still can't see your Monero transactions at all. 03:19:47 there is no transactions to this one-time address 03:20:00 you sure you sent the ETH? 03:20:34 It looks like you either didn't send any ETH or maybe it went to the wrong address. 03:20:40 The payment request? 03:20:42 monero:XXX 03:21:01 it is loading yes 03:21:07 did you send? 03:21:21 it is for testing 03:21:26 Fair enough. 03:21:40 ah 03:21:43 i see 03:21:49 do I send the monero:XXXX 03:21:51 ? 03:21:56 the what 03:22:06 monero what 03:22:06 IRC side cannot see Matrix replies. 03:22:07 IRC: This was in response to you sure you sent the ETH? 03:22:16 oh 03:22:31 what about monero though 03:22:33 the eth has not been sent 03:22:39 The transaction is loading 03:22:43 loading? 03:22:47 Sorry, "it is loading yes" was in response to that mesage. 03:23:10 well this is super confusing :P 03:23:50 no it is 03:23:51 Transaction Status 03:23:53 new 03:24:00 do you want my monero txtid? 03:24:05 of format monero:XXX 03:24:07 ? 03:24:16 what txid are you going to have if they haven't even sent anything yet 03:24:39 even then it would be useless to me 03:24:47 (cuz monero is private) 03:24:54 I just want to ensure the monero:XXX is not private? 03:25:00 the generated link is https://bitcoinvn.io/orders/8368267d-3f69-494a-b12f-9a2c91f65ac0 03:25:15 yes 03:25:17 they have no sent nothing no 03:25:43 Cindy: it is this : monero:88avvvaJ1XxQmwkK9MWRWCPkGpJXfYtFzBCeZpc4pyTzTvpUtVXw9RxRziLjMQ43MwVaW3tTwBPebHABHtxQfqHTDUDFgGn 03:25:55 that's not a txid, that's a subaddress 03:26:07 are you.. sending XMR to convert to ETH? 03:26:11 or sending ETH to convert to XMR 03:26:22 The exchange can see your Monero address, yes. Use a different Monero address for doing exchanges than for doing other transactions. However, the Monero address is *not* visible on the blockchin. 03:26:34 ^ 03:26:56 use a subaddress, which you have here 03:26:58 Cindy no I convert eth to monero 03:27:22 well, the exchange can see your address, but that's about it 03:27:35 nobody can see your transactions on the chain 03:27:53 sure yes pelase 03:27:56 The exchange can see your address. There will not be a Monero transaction ID until you have sent the ETH to the exchange. 03:27:59 why does it not works at https://bitcoinvn.io/orders/8368267d-3f69-494a-b12f-9a2c91f65ac0 03:28:05 because you haven't sent anything 03:28:09 the address is empty 03:28:21 so the exchage will not send a transaction until you send some ETH to the address 03:28:30 where is the monero txtID please? 03:28:38 there is none 03:28:41 because they haven't sent yet 03:28:46 I use monero gui 03:29:06 you have to send ETH for them to send something to your monero wallet 03:29:15 There is no Monero TXID. They don't have one. They won't have one until they send the Monero. They won't send Monero until someone sends ETH. 03:29:20 ^ 03:29:22 what do you mean with empty I am noob 03:29:31 you haven't sent any ETH to them 03:29:39 so they're not gonna send anything until you send them ETH 03:30:46 no because I buy eth from a platform... ah yes ok I see 03:31:19 doesn't matter if you bought ETH, you have to send them ETH now to get XMR 03:31:23 :P 03:33:22 sure lol 03:35:54 Oh, CypherGoat lets you use SimpleX to contact support. Much better than Trocador, which only has email and Telegram. 03:36:15 aaahh ok I just undertoood! 03:36:18 And Matrix. Trocador has Matrix. 03:36:19 I take my eth wallet 03:36:24 I send to the address 03:36:27 and then they provide 03:36:29 yes yes 03:36:32 you're getting it! 03:36:36 congrats 03:41:52 ok nice 03:41:59 the eth transaction is pending 03:42:02 THANK YOU 03:42:10 it sounds pending 03:42:32 beware that since you posted your exchange transaction here, people can get your ETH address 03:42:37 since ETH's blockchain is public 03:42:52 and see transactions and balance related to your ETH wallet 03:43:15 ooops sorry 03:43:31 thank you for information 03:46:43 that is great I got my monero 03:46:45 :D :D :D 03:46:47 thank you all 03:50:02 yay! 04:05:55 I got confirmation 3/10 from my monero payment. Has it been received? 04:08:48 not yet 04:08:51 gogo2464: you must wait for at least 10 confirmations, although I would wait for about 100. 04:10:52 cool nice. Why more than 10 please? 04:13:59 would it be more secure or less expensive? 04:14:01 My understanding is that if the largest pool Qubic is having 36% of the hashrate, at least as per their self declaration, then if I want no more than 1 in a million chance of them messing with a transaction, I will need what I noted. 04:14:47 just more secure in theory. 04:17:51 Thank you Evolver! At this moment I just require to train for getting more privacy for the future. I will just get the 10/10 06:45:28 GM 08:43:47 GM 12:12:14 Good day, currently i buy xmr p2p and pay a roughly 13%-15% fee per xmr bought , is there a way to buy xmr at its actual reported price? My credit card/wise wont work on most cexs 12:17:58 If you're OK with centralized services, I hear trocador is trusted. I don't know their rates but they've got to be better than what you're getting. 12:18:32 As always, make sure you're not getting a domain squatter or similar scammer before you use. 12:20:08 getmonero.org might have a (possibly out of date) list. 12:24:15 trocador aggregates swap services that swap one crypto for another 12:25:04 Ah, so only as trusted as what's behind them ? I don't think I ever heard bad things about them so far. 12:26:57 Proxy between you and swappers but they have an onion service and offer some % of insurance on swaps through them 12:28:29 plowsof: do they give ratings on the snappers as well. I haven't used trocador 12:28:53 *swappers 12:29:10 Thx autocorrect 12:37:08 Yes, they are given a rating of A, B, C, or D. If you choose an exchange with an A, B, or C rating, you get insurance up to 1000 US dollars. 12:38:08 Those exchanges will have a white shield icon beside them. If they have no shield, you get no insurance. If they have half a shield, I'm not sure what that means. So, I wouldn't use it. 12:39:08 Because of that insurance, I would not do a swap of more than 1,000 US dollars worth at one single time. 12:45:43 moneromooo: Trocador is great, it are genuine, approachable people 12:45:50 nioc yes they grade them iirc an A is a swapper who has their own liquidity pool rather than being yet another middle man between you and a cex 12:46:21 moneromooo: but why do you have your server IP in your displayname? 😁 12:46:56 it's the IRC bridge 12:47:05 it fetches the user mask field from IRC 12:47:22 moneromooo has no user so libera.chat places their connecting ip for everyone to see 12:47:46 https://libera.chat/guides/cloaks 12:48:43 ok I see, that's this new bridge? 12:49:06 yeah, #monero #monero-community-dev #monero-community #monero-research-lounge #monero-research-lab are included on the first to get the new bridge 12:49:21 nice! 12:49:23 This server is known to be associated to me in the first place, so it's ok. 12:49:25 instead of showing up as m-relay on Matrix side you get users :) 12:49:37 yeah, assume more people will be curious moneromooo 12:49:46 for me it shows user/meow/DataHoarder :) 12:50:10 I have an account, but I get de-identified regularly :/ 12:50:32 automate it! 12:50:43 did you register your name with NickServ? 12:51:04 I did, and i cba :D 12:51:13 It's been a while but there's some options you can set to prevent de-indentifaction? 12:51:20 you can also setup CERTFP auth 12:51:29 you just login with a certificate, and it auto identifies you 12:51:35 I use it on the new bridge :) 12:52:31 Oh, that is good. Though as i said, this server is townforge.net so it doesn't matter. If anything, it actually serves as a weak auth method in itself :) 12:53:24 user/meow/ :) 12:53:57 you could do better moneromooo, and make it so it shows the user as townforge.net 12:54:06 but you need to setup that on IRC as well 12:54:21 need to setup the rDNS ptr records afaik 12:54:23 * moneromooo shrugs 12:57:59 I'll probably change so it doesn't list ips/ipv6 not for privacy but because it's not that relevant. If the user is authenticated, I think that is relevant 13:00:56 Hello, I'm looking to buy a hardware wallet. 13:01:08 can someone recommend me which one is the most secure by default? 13:04:58 Why do you want a hardware wallet? 13:06:42 The trocador faq says the guarantee does not appky if the funds are blocked due to high AML risk. Since you don't know in advance, the guarantee seems worthless, no ? 13:07:04 Except in a case of exit scam I guess. 13:21:11 In that case, yes worthless lol but they reported that when going FROM xmr to other currency they've nit had any AML issues or at least a very low % cc Morpheus 13:22:20 yes i want a hardware wallet and im inbetween choosing trezor safe 5 or keystone 3 13:22:34 thought about custom air grapped raspberry pi but im not that confident to do it 13:23:01 The question was "why" gachikuku_ 13:24:38 I have a trezor and I hate it. It's very old and you need this "bridge" software that doesn't work well with my OS. 13:28:04 moneromooo: The Guarantee is certainly not worthless. You could check your own funds for AML before anything. Generally speaking, things can only go wrong when the user knows his funds are stolen, etc. Our block rate is way below 0.1% and from XMR to any is 0% of course. 13:28:49 Cupcake 13:28:54 We also apply the Guarantee when there are issues, for example, some partner has a bug and underpays the user without any market variation 13:29:22 How would you "check your own funds for AML" ? 13:29:23 But it is a case by case situation 13:29:57 There are a number of services online for that 13:30:38 The most common and famous is AML bot, but there are a number of services 13:30:51 I did not know that. Does itrun thr risk of stealing if the ansser is NOPE ? 13:30:55 I can't vouch for any tho 13:30:58 misread! To store safely crypto? :p 13:31:08 Possibly large amounts 13:31:38 moneromooo: What? I'm sorry I did not understand the question 13:32:24 Cupcake is a hardware wallet implementation that uses an old Android device as your hardware wallet. That way you don't order a hardware wallet from somebody and possibly get your address leaked in a hack or something like what happened to Ledger. 13:32:27 Does using such a "checking" service risk your funds being kept until you supply id (if so, might as well use the swapper directly) ? 13:33:04 If you are ordering an android phone, no one will think anything of that. If you are ordering a ledger or something like that, then the only reason you would be doing that would be to store crypto. If your address gets leaked, you are fucked. 13:33:06 That sounds like I nice project 13:33:27 I've seen the hacked ledger database, it's scary 13:33:29 No 13:33:56 They check supplied address 13:33:56 You shouldn't have to send your funds to them to check them. They should just be able to check your funds with the blockchain address. Since Bitcoin is all transparent anyway. 13:34:09 actually, if you order it to a safe storage point I think that case scenario won't matter 13:34:17 but thanks for the case scenario havent thought about it! 13:34:29 Ubstoppablewallet has an addess checker that asks ciphertrace and some others 13:34:49