00:00:33 ok now there's only one of me and im on matrix side, idk if being both on irc and matrix looks kinda sketchy to ops probably 00:01:09 actually makes it more believable :P 00:01:20 cuz you could go on IRC and be like "that's me!" 00:01:43 also i have to use web version because element uses snap and i have openrc system and i think snap doesnt play with openrc 00:02:23 it feels so much cleaner/better to do this from matrix side btw 00:02:54 you'll definitely want to hang on to your irc account - the web version can be unbelievably slow 00:03:12 i could of course just grab the laptop with debian and install element there which i probably will do i need to upgrade it to debian 13 anyway 00:03:25 have you tried schildichat or nheko? 00:03:34 plowsof oh im definitely not leaving irc haha, just that room. i can get back into it any time i want. 00:03:44 like this 00:03:53 if you ask me, IRC offers a lot of things that matrix doesn't 00:04:23 @w10290876:unredacted.org: no i tried something with very beautiful handwritten font 00:05:15 yeah id rather be in an IRC room than a matrix room at least with what i know/have installed now 00:05:23 polycule 00:05:35 @w10290876:unredacted.org: it was called polycule 00:06:36 but when you're in an IRC room that's getting relayed with matrix it's just uhm it gets very confusing very fast 00:07:01 weechat, quassel, thelounge, irssi -- client doesnt matter its always confusing for some reason 00:08:25 02:03:53 if you ask me, IRC offers a lot of things that matrix doesn't 00:08:32 wait for typing notifications coming in IRCv3! 00:08:39 I have implemented this on the bridge already 00:08:50 just disabled cause libera.chat doesn't have those silly things yet 00:09:21 oh like putting your address in CTCP 00:09:27 or NickServ TAXONOMY 00:09:42 no I mean, IRC protocol itself via message tags 00:09:47 also multi-line messages! 00:09:51 or grouping at least 00:10:26 i meant the stuff you ca do in IRC!! 00:11:29 if someone wrote just even a client that you org any "room's" tagging into arbitrary threads, i'd adopt wtv sys entirely immediately. 00:11:32 so like think a "chat" which has a mode that's like a "forum". 00:12:01 so like say i could tag all msgs containing "cindyloo" and then see only those in a "room style" thread. 00:12:06 all native obvi. 00:12:46 imo there's no reason for all this other marlarky. just make it simple in terms of the proto and let the client do all the useful shite. 00:12:58 > just make it simple in terms of the proto 00:13:00 that's IRC! 00:13:02 and v3 :) 00:13:11 fair 00:13:18 i'm kinda bullish on that email one tbh 00:13:19 it works on old clients, too, and client just handles the matching and tagging 00:13:23 i always forget the name 00:13:27 deltachat 00:13:35 that seems like a sane way to build things to me 00:13:54 DataHoarder: yeah but we don't reallly need a new proto 00:14:03 irc is here and works 00:14:05 if you do, then like isn't the std kinda already gone wrong? 00:14:06 not a new proto 00:14:17 no i mean v3 00:14:30 isn't that what you just pumped? 00:14:32 it's not a "new" proto 00:14:39 well wtv 00:14:42 a revision 00:14:44 it's extension on current one with just more metadata on messages 00:14:54 say, to add reactions on messages 00:15:00 or so messages are identified by an id 00:15:00 i'm not claiming revisions shouldn't happen either (for the fallical ones here) 00:15:05 sure 00:15:10 sure 00:15:15 i think you're missing my point 00:15:17 but old clients can connect and also interact with all new content fine 00:15:28 look at deltachat and try to prove to me how it's not as good as irc 00:15:36 well 00:15:38 it's not irc 00:15:42 i don't really care about backwards compat blah blah with new protos 00:15:44 lol 00:15:50 so basically not an argument 00:15:55 all I need to know is 00:16:03 does the client need react/web browser? 00:16:06 is it VC funded? 00:16:19 ofc not 00:16:21 look at their shit 00:16:22 or you need me to link it 00:16:35 https://github.com/deltachat/deltachat-desktop 00:16:43 ... it's react embedded web browser 00:16:44 :D 00:16:56 well just look at the proto/main-page wiki wtv 00:17:12 no 00:17:35 but yeah deltachat seems an extension to the email protocol :P 00:17:45 irc is here and works 00:17:45 clearly you should not confirmation bias toward their normie client 00:17:49 https://github.com/deltachat 00:17:57 DataHoarder: yeah ish 00:18:01 at least you'd be able to read messages once it dies 00:18:08 :D 00:18:13 with custom tools 00:18:18 i think it's a reasonable alt if you give it a chance and don't be an irc maxi 00:18:20 https://delta.chat/en/ 00:18:28 there's nothing wrong with using more then one thing 00:18:35 DataHoarder: yes 00:18:41 but really if it's IMAP/SMTP interactions I want to stay far away from running a server 00:18:55 > irc maxi 00:18:58 bc they all do die 00:19:00 at least you get that part 00:19:04 but I am on matrix AND implemented the bridge 00:19:12 😂 00:19:33 so you're one of the gud ones 00:19:37 I just call stuff shit when it is shit, like Matrix being VC funded and their "main" spec and feature wise client basically being a browser one 00:19:38 (maxis i mean) 00:19:58 and servers that require more than Qubic's meme nodes 00:19:58 never going to contradict you on that 00:20:06 i think it started more pure though 00:20:12 and the design wasn't a horrible idea 00:20:14 or conduwuit :D 00:20:21 conduwuit worked well for my testing 00:20:26 it did 00:20:28 lol 00:20:31 yeah fair 00:20:34 then 00:20:35 well 00:20:40 all the legacy 00:20:45 i kinda like u 00:20:50 it's a new protocol with more legacy than IRC 00:20:53 open minded on chat shit eh 00:20:55 how do you even manage this 00:20:58 you can be ma fren 00:21:13 a message has: 00:21:14 text 00:21:18 formatted text 00:21:22 within the text 00:21:27 there's a fallback text 00:21:27 i'm of the oppi that more is better so you always have hedge/failover sys 00:21:31 for e2ee chat 00:21:37 for fallback for clients that don't handle replies 00:21:50 so on EVERY message the first thing you have to do is manually remove the regex 00:21:54 the fallback text 00:22:03 ah ur talking smtp now ya? 00:22:03 it's not even standard you just dig it out 00:22:06 no, matrix 00:22:17 ahh 00:22:20 one sec lemme get a breakpoint ready 00:22:31 well, i'm not gonna claim their schema is good or anything 00:22:42 i think the whole distributed dag idea is aight htough 00:22:53 its like chat on a blockchain before that was as pop 00:22:57 reply to this message 00:23:09 look i'm not claiming matrix is good 00:23:18 but it does work so far 00:23:20 reply hurry up I have a breakpoint! 00:23:32 😂 00:24:01 you clearly no more about it then me, i just fear setting up bridges 00:24:11 i'm not guarding on matrix. 00:24:36 i'm just saying maybe irc doesn't have to be the end all either 00:24:38 DataHoarder: I had to do it myself smh 00:24:59 yeah was trying to show what baggage means 00:25:10 I mean, build something on top of IRC as backend! 00:25:12 for deltachat i just the way they seem to be building out all the "higher level client feats" as just that, client-side only abstractions that have no meaning outside clients. 00:25:14 like twitch did 00:25:19 DataHoarder: totes. 00:25:26 also fair. 00:25:26 I like these people, they built chat on top of email 00:25:29 another legacy protocol 00:25:35 extended to death 00:25:45 tbh i haven't dug in enough on how the protos compare - but i think i know what i want for a client UX. 00:25:55 DataHoarder: 😂 00:26:01 it's at least an ode to what's possible 00:26:50 there's a buncha new kinda on the ze block though 00:26:59 in the realm of trying to deprecate matrix 00:32:15 See guys the asians are waking up and buying Moneros, just for the the fat americans to dump tommorrow 00:32:17 Just jk 00:32:22 Love the us 02:49:12 GM 03:59:01 😂 07:04:03 Reorgs 9 blocks deep are back 07:37:54 46% of last 100 blocks 08:01:56 Cubic is a norm now 08:02:06 They aren’t going away it’s fee xmr for them 08:02:11 They giving away fake tokens 09:34:26 Interesting truths: 09:34:26 There is a vast supply of readily available processors. Monero is currently mined on a very few of them. How many of them mine depends on the total miner reward. If the reward is low, it becomes very easy to reward some of the rest of the processors to attack. This is why Monero is the coin most sensitive to price for its secu [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/k8Lmx7AKYldIX1Yz ] 09:34:26 Monero already has staking. By keeping monero in your wallet, you are contributing to securing Monero. Every monero in your wallet is a monero not for sale, which raises the miner reward, which raises the hashrate, which increases security.[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/k8Lmx7AKYldIX1Yz ] 09:46:43 I can't buy it. I live in a dystopian society (UK). I can only mine it. 09:47:42 You can't buy USDC/USDC/LTC/SOL and swap it to XMR on something like Trocador (connected over Tor or VPN)? 09:50:25 Ofcourse he can *sips tea* 09:50:49 @marioob:matrix.org: can you buy Bitcoin or ETH 09:50:50 ? 09:52:58 it is not completely non-kyc, but if I buy I use mt. pelerin. You wire them some money with SEPA and then they send coins to any wallet you want. 09:53:07 I haven't tried lately, but I think it will still ask for kyc 🤮. I should rather buy one more miner ?!? 09:53:13 no need to send picture of your face 09:53:25 Most (all?) of the usual kyc'd CEX's have BTC/GBP pairings.. British pound has some trades at https://haveno.markets/ 09:56:27 Afaik, Swiss institutions do not have to do KYC below the amount of 1000CHF (i think it was per day, might be per month now) 09:56:35 and up to 100k / year 09:56:57 Continue mining and also convert you fiat coins into magic internet money if you wish 10:02:14 https://peachbitcoin.com/how-to-buy-btc-no-kyc/ -> same idea as mt. pelerin , downside, can only trade BTC, upside you buy/sell p2p 10:03:04 I used it once to sell some bitcoin, just to see how it works 10:03:25 They are targetted by scammers so be careful.. 10:05:24 i wonder how they keep track of who is who for that limit tho, but well, doesn't really matter as long as they don't enforce the limit > <@eddie:oblak.be> Afaik, Swiss institutions do not have to do KYC below the amount of 1000CHF (i think it was per day, might be per month now) 10:06:05 because you need to create an account and it's tied to your IBAN bank account 10:06:38 so the idea is you did the KYC when opening that bank account, and you do not have to do it again for using their services 10:08:58 seems qubic is having issues and gor orphaned https://irc.gammaspectra.live/4fef6fbad228100a/7_deep_qubic_orphan.png 10:10:46 block warz ? 😁 10:13:32 @eddie:oblak.be: you can have multiple bank accounts tho, if the limit is per iban 10:13:48 but yeah, ultimately you can't open infinite bank accounts 10:14:50 the limit is probably per bank account and not per person necessarily. You can convince naive teenagers to be money mules :D 10:16:31 anyway it's not perfect, but if you have an IBAN it's better than sending your face to shady exchanges 10:20:07 oh, that's for sure 10:20:17 i think they get your full name, but that's about it 10:30:02 So wait, how does that work? Can you just trade crypto through a Swiss exchange just by having a foreign bank account? Even over the internet without being in Switzerland? 10:32:21 I don't know the exact check they do, but you can figure it out yourself here: https://www.mtpelerin.com/ 10:41:12 > We accept clients from all countries, except US and Russian persons, and residents of: 10:41:12 > Afghanistan, Angola, Bangladesh, Belarus, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Central African Republic, Cuba, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Latvia, Lebanon, Libya, Mainland China (Hong Kong and Taiwan accepted), Mali, Myanmar, Nicaragua, Niger, North Korea, Russia, Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Syria, Trinidad and Tobago, Venezuela, Yemen, Zimbabwe. 11:04:28 lol 12:46:26 @eddie:oblak.be: oh, there's more, i was thinking about the one in cakewallet, forgot the name 13:30:11 Dfxswiss 22:37:02 this POS software has frozen mid syncing of the blockchain for the 5th time. Surely there is some fix for this other than "delete and try again" because this shit is pathetic. 22:37:20 using monero GUI 22:38:08 radar69420, you using an SSD? 22:38:40 yeah ssd,not nvme but a good one 22:39:10 @radar69420:matrix.org: --db-sync-mode=safe 22:42:13 @elongated:matrix.org: will have a read, ty 22:44:24 Also enable dns blocklist 22:44:37 And MRL blocklist 22:45:11 MRL blocklist? 22:45:23 you mean DNS checkpointing? 22:46:08 you can rune a pruned chain too 22:46:11 its slightly smaller 22:48:36 radar69420: there is no known deadlock issue currently like you are describing, does monerod freeze or monero-gui? or does it crash? 22:50:38 Im using Arch Linux 22:50:38 When the Monero-Gui is left to Sync - It will become frozen at a random block height towards the finish point. Restarting software doesn't seem to fix it. Happened for the third day in a row 22:50:53 you can run monerod instead 22:51:03 like sync with monerod, and then run monero-gui after 22:51:22 I have just restarted it again with "--db-sync-mode=safe" and ill watch it very closely this time 22:51:25 yep, trying that this time now :) 22:51:32 ty <3 22:52:34 i have the gui wallet and am running monderod, albeit on windows. but i synced with monderd before ever opening the wallet. 23:20:44 https://chill.mycotrip.tech/uploads/a92419db70c84a2a/image.png 23:20:51 oh no death and despair! 23:40:51 mycotrip: oh no i didn't get my 0.01 xmr payout 23:41:12 LOL i'm on the mini chain, more like .0002