07:37:24 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> Fucking qubic still annoying
07:41:13 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> lol https://decrypt.co/338223/monero-51-attackers-qubic-release-ai-model-but-it-cant-do-basic-math-yet
07:43:34 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> it's shown that giving correct answer to 1+1 requires 100 pages of thoughts. What a moron honestly
07:44:36 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> Humans learn by copying not by computing everything from scratch every time. Because it's not efficient nor useful.
07:45:05 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @eddie:oblak.be: step 1. copy a 40M LLM model from hugging face
07:45:11 <br-m> <syntheticbird> step 2. rename it and expand it
07:45:19 <br-m> <syntheticbird> step 3. claim it's thanks to Qubic miners
07:45:25 <br-m> <syntheticbird> step 4. AGI IS NEAR!!!!
07:45:42 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> step 5. sprout nonsense that sound smart but it still nonsense
07:49:10 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> true AI lfmao
07:50:12 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> The only thing he's actually capable of is disrupting the monero network probably at a loss 
07:53:56 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> * Ivancheglo warned that mocking the model now may have bad future consequences and AIGarth may be hiding its intelligence.* 🤣
07:57:34 <br-m> <sbt:nope.chat> New gift card site: https://xmr.cards
07:57:34 <br-m> <sbt:nope.chat> Bought a few, love the no js and blazing fast.
07:58:47 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> looks nice!
09:18:50 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> @sbt:nope.chat: lol, trust on first sight?
09:21:22 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> they arrived?
09:25:30 <br-m> <rbrunner7> Somebody has to go first, otherwise new things are never able to get off the ground ...
09:26:55 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @sbt:nope.chat: US only unfortunately
09:27:07 <br-m> <syntheticbird> can't they support all the other 384 countries out there
09:27:18 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> don't they?
09:27:32 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> I see giftcards for other countries
09:27:47 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @eddie:oblak.be: which category?
09:27:59 <br-m> <syntheticbird> oh wait there is a country selector
09:28:01 <br-m> <syntheticbird> my bad
09:28:58 <br-m> <syntheticbird> Finally
09:29:04 <br-m> <syntheticbird> I'll be able to buy my Robux in XMR
09:29:42 <br-m> <syntheticbird> or my "EA FC 25" coins
09:29:48 <br-m> <syntheticbird> or whatever the hell that is
09:31:53 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> Prepaid phone credit
09:36:54 <br-m> <alexandre:uii.pt> wouldn't that be the one shown on cake wallet? i recall it had built in gift card buying option
09:41:43 <plowsof> gift card enjoyers see the same api with a different front end from unknown persons 
09:43:29 <helene> @alexandre:uii.pt i believe the cake wallet one was called "cake pay" and is built-in, yes
09:44:27 <br-m> <alexandre:uii.pt> yeah, they call it cake pay, has more options, at least, it seems
09:54:40 <br-m> <syntheticbird> plowsof can you stop revealing the civilization-old proxy scheme
09:55:00 <plowsof> xD
10:08:01 <helene> are there any known tricks to accelerate monero node synchronisation? as soon as i reach blocks from ~2020, sync times explode a bit, and it doesn't feel like that's because of CPU performance
10:09:14 <helene> cuprate sync times are faster for me on the same machine, by the way (but cuprate sadly isn't quite usable yet), and it syncs in around 1 day whereas monerod takes 3-4 days
10:19:44 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Has a few countries > <@syntheticbird> US only unfortunately
11:04:08 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> Anyone here can give me tips on inspecting an lmdb similar to sqlite shell ?
11:07:02 <br-m> <syntheticbird> helene: ~2020? what height range exactly?
11:07:47 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> @eddie:oblak.be: nvm gottit
11:07:55 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @eddie:oblak.be: There are no tools for such. I think there is only mdb_tools for having some stats on the internal b+tree but no cli to read/write data
11:08:09 <br-m> <syntheticbird> bad timing
11:08:12 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> you can do it in python apparently
11:09:20 <helene> syntheticbird: i can try re-creating it, but i don't believe it will give an exact range still (but at least a better approximation)
11:09:48 <br-m> <syntheticbird> no need for precision, you don't remember what kind of height it started slowing down
11:10:15 <br-m> <syntheticbird> you can approximate it to the 250k
11:11:31 <helene> i've stared at it for a while now so i don't have the numbers anymore (and the scrollback/log buffer got too full), but because i've been able to replicate it on every machine i have it shouldn't be a problem for me to replicate it
11:11:46 <br-m> <syntheticbird> alright
11:12:29 <br-m> <syntheticbird> You can refer to this chart of cuprate syncing:
11:12:39 <br-m> <syntheticbird> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/kQObHnUEUeLXQFcLnGzArkjy.png (syncing20241217.png)
11:12:50 <br-m> <syntheticbird> monerod follow approximately the same bottlenecks
11:13:36 <helene> it might check out, but i'll confirm with you once i have the proper info :) thanks!
15:24:08 <helene> it seems to scale very strongly at around 2.2m block height; LMDB performance seems very relevant there but also note that this is on a aarch64 machine, so I wonder if some crypto might be less optimized
15:25:08 <helene> it also seems that the more blocks there are since that point, the slower it gets
15:26:33 <br-m> <citizenfour4:matrix.org> hey
18:05:40 <br-m> <syntheticbird> helene: At this height the high transaction volume makes blocks very big and batches decreases. This is more often a network bandwith bottleneck at this point than a CPU or IO one
18:05:56 <br-m> <syntheticbird> are you on a gigabit connection?
18:06:04 <helene> network bandwidth being a bottle neck is really odd since i have 10gbit symmetric
18:06:35 <br-m> <syntheticbird> bare-fiber connections? no tunnel?
18:07:03 <br-m> <syntheticbird> i just made the word bare-fiber, but basically no vpn?
18:07:18 <helene> it's on a 2.5gbit ethernet link to the router with the 10gbit symmetric link, it could be buggy Realtek drivers on Linux/this device though
18:07:33 <helene> there is no extra layer like a VPN no
18:07:36 <Snipa> 2020? 
18:07:47 <Snipa> That's the conversion to RandomX
18:08:03 <br-m> <syntheticbird> alr, we can safely assume that the 2.5g is saturated
18:08:08 <br-m> <syntheticbird> or at least can
18:09:08 <Snipa> The entire chain is only 250Gb, it's not network sync related, you can sync perfectly fine on a 1gbit link with no slowdown, there's rarely enough high speed peers to auctually cause you to saturate a 1gbit link.
18:09:14 <moneromooo> Unlikely to be a network bottleneck unless really shitty network.
18:09:32 <Snipa> A slowdown in 2020 is likely the change to RandomX given that you said it was an ARM chip.
18:09:36 <helene> download link is barely doing 1MiB/s currently, and I know my network to be fairly reliable
18:09:51 <moneromooo> Run sync_info in monerod, if it starts with m with a few o's afterwards, it's 99% not network.
18:09:56 <br-m> <syntheticbird> I say that because when sync speedrun any% benchmaxxing Cuprate network bandwith quickly became the primary issue once we hit ringCT
18:09:58 <helene> that would be my theory indeed, i don't presume randomx would be very well optimised for aarch64 right?
18:10:41 <br-m> <syntheticbird> snipa is probably right
18:10:53 <Snipa> I'm sure it's been optimized at least partially, but it's not likely to be anywhere near an amd64.
18:11:15 <helene> another x86 machine (Ryzen 7940HS) doing a sync via another 2.5gbit link on a XFS filesystem is managing to achieve it under 7h
18:11:24 <helene> (2.5gbit link to the same router)
18:11:37 <br-m> <syntheticbird> lmao well that eject the network theory out
18:11:59 <Snipa> I'm pretty sure my node sync (Over starlink of all things) is only 5-6 hours.
18:12:12 <br-m> <syntheticbird> Space node
18:12:30 <Snipa> Joys of not being able to get anyone to pull you fiber for less than a quarter million bux.
18:13:01 <br-m> <syntheticbird> feel your pain, took a whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiile to get fiber at me
18:13:26 <helene> i'm just lucky to be in a country where ISPs for home use provide such links via FTTH :)
18:13:40 <br-m> <syntheticbird> there was 2 trials actually between the city and the ISP because they fucked up the installation twice
18:13:51 <Snipa> Eh, I'm a little far from the closest node. :)
18:14:39 <Snipa> If I lived down in the city, I could get fiber no problem, I just prefer not living in cities at this point in my life. :D
18:14:52 <helene> moneromooo: [mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.oo.ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo..oooooo.....]
18:15:09 <br-m> <syntheticbird> you could always try the autistic space dish method, where you pay your neighbor to install the gigantic not suspicious antenna in their roof and you just receive it where you are
18:15:29 <br-m> <syntheticbird> Snipa: fair
18:15:43 <Snipa> helene - What arch chip are you playing with?  I'm curious, about to spin up some Amperes 
18:15:56 <br-m> <syntheticbird> TOTAL AMPERE SUPREMACY
18:16:06 <br-m> <syntheticbird> sorry my inner x86 hater just woke up
18:16:21 <Snipa> It was an excellent excuse to pick up some to play with, because I'm not a fan of one of my current AMD boxes.
18:16:30 <Snipa> And I needed something that could host 24 u.2 NVMe's.
18:17:20 <helene> Snipa: It's a pretty terrible SoC that I've been using to also run a NAS, it's a RK3588 (4x Cortex-A55, 4x Cortex-A76)
18:17:33 <Snipa> How much memory does it have?
18:18:11 <Snipa> RX is memory hungry, and if you're having to run it in limited mode, it's gonna be /real/ slow.
18:18:44 <helene> 8 GiB, LPDDR4X 2133MHz soldered (the 16Gib version was sold out at the time I wanted it, lol)
18:18:59 <br-m> <syntheticbird> is monerod the only thing running ?
18:19:02 <helene> pretty much
18:19:06 <br-m> <syntheticbird> also yeah terrible soc
18:19:15 <br-m> <syntheticbird> 8GiB system with only monerod is more than acceptable
18:19:55 <Snipa> Eh, my monerod uses 6Gb.
18:19:59 <Snipa> So yeah, it's marginal imo.
18:20:13 <Snipa> Not as bad as tari's 10Gb. xD
18:20:49 <br-m> <syntheticbird> POWERED BY RUST
18:20:50 <helene> tari is also heavier on CPUs (and disk space usage) i've noticed lol
18:20:52 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> sync when sleeping? > <Snipa> I'm pretty sure my node sync (Over starlink of all things) is only 5-6 hours.
18:21:05 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @basses:matrix.org: A: Question?
18:21:09 <br-m> <syntheticbird> B: Why ?
18:21:13 <Snipa> Tari is super heavy on iops.
18:21:25 <Snipa> The wallet in particular because of it's architecture.
18:21:37 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: don't want to be working while it is syncing taking all of their bandwith
18:22:04 <Snipa> Cryptocurrency is part of my work. :)
18:22:11 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @basses:matrix.org: nice thought but tbf they claim to have 10gb symmetric with 2.5gb nic on each machine
18:22:15 <br-m> <syntheticbird> so that shouldn't cause any issue
18:22:23 <helene> sounds like you're having fun at work then :)
18:22:33 <Snipa> I mean, I have 100gbit on anything important internally. :)
18:22:48 <helene> ah, i am very not bothered about monerod's bandwidth usage
18:22:57 <br-m> <syntheticbird> biggest flex in this chat since its creation
18:22:59 <br-m> <syntheticbird> hands down
18:23:02 <helene> torrenting is much heavier on bandwidth haha
18:23:43 <Snipa> Lemme see if I have my syncing stats for the wallet still.
18:25:03 <Snipa> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e39f803d/
18:25:23 <Snipa> There we go, that was the syncing of the tari hatchling pool wallet, with /nothing/ else running on the entire VM.
18:26:00 <helene> what filesystem was it running?
18:26:40 <Snipa> EXT4.
18:27:09 <helene> even for ext4 that is indeed pretty heavy
18:27:22 <Snipa> Yeah, 4Tb of writes for a 4gb final size. xD
18:27:33 <Snipa> 200Gb of ram.
18:27:45 <Snipa> It's impressive how leaky that wallet can be.
18:28:29 <Snipa> It's extremely difficult to load either the SXMR or hatchling/jagtech legacy wallets because of how they do txn loading.
18:29:10 <Snipa> M5M and I thought the Monero SXMR wallet was bad. xD
18:29:54 <helene> i don't really like the tari wallet codebase but then again, maybe it's because i'm not used to their programming style
18:30:17 <helene> (and i'm not a fan of gRPC either)
18:30:54 <Snipa> So, having talked w/ the devs /alot/ about it, the wallet was written a long time ago, and it kinda got dropped because they never really perfomance tested it on the scale that a pool would.
18:31:41 <Snipa> They did finally drop the GRPC and P2P layers, and are mostly http at this point for wallet <-> node comms.
18:31:52 <Snipa> Though I think there's still some extant p2p stuff left.
18:33:17 <helene> i can see why they're rewriting it from scratch, hopefully to a point where it would be easier to play around with scripting :)
18:33:30 <Snipa> It's auctually quite scriptable right now. :)
18:33:47 <helene> oh, you've managed to play around with TariScript?
18:34:09 <Snipa> I do alot of work with automating tari as the hatchling/jagtech op xD
18:34:30 <helene> ah, automating! i meant the coin scripting (for atomic swaps and such) :)
18:34:46 <Snipa> Oh, that insanity.  Yeah, haven't gotten there yet.
18:35:18 <Snipa> I know a few people have finally gotten grpcurl working nicely, though I just have a repo of go scripts I use. xD
18:35:33 <Snipa> I need to update that for 5.0.1 soon(tm) though.
18:37:15 <helene> anyway, i'll look if i can do a bit of profiling to confirm that it's randomx (which would explain why i have similar struggles with cuprate without its fast sync) :) thanks for helping!
18:37:47 <Snipa> No problem!  Good luck with it, and if you really just want it to go fast, export it from your other node and pull it in. :D
20:43:09 <br-m> <jairbolsonaro:nope.chat> Good morning everyone.
21:36:22 <br-m> <frogmindset:matrix.org> hi, question. is cake wallet good for holding my monero?
21:36:45 <br-m> <frogmindset:matrix.org> im new to all of this so i would appricate the advice
21:43:18 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> @frogmindset:matrix.org: yes
21:43:48 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight
21:45:49 <br-m> <frogmindset:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: why did you link this? cake wallet isnt on there
21:47:01 <br-m> <frogmindset:matrix.org> oh, monero.com wallet links to it, weird
21:47:30 <br-m> <alexandre:uii.pt> monero.com is cake wallet's site, not endorsed by monero itself
21:48:53 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> @frogmindset:matrix.org: yeah same software stack by same dev but focused on only one coin (wallet)
21:49:13 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> im surprised their faq doesn't include any differences
21:49:51 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> include the differences*
21:51:10 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> they don't link directly because of seo backlinks making them rank higher than getmonero.org
21:51:33 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> dumb to choose monero.com as domain for their wallet
22:20:19 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero.com is cake's monero-only wallet
22:21:13 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @basses:matrix.org: The only difference is that monero.com doesnt ship any other coins code
22:21:14 <br-m> <hopeful24:matrix.org> So dumb question how do you buy monero anonymosly?
22:21:50 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> anonymously? Using cash is the only way
22:22:59 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If you use a wire transfer etc, its no longer anonymous. if you are swapping other crypto for it, did you obtain the other crypto anonymously?
22:23:12 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If cash in person, its not anonymous 
22:23:29 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> So i guess youll need to define what is acceptable to you
22:30:27 <br-m> <usb:envs.net> how many people here have done cash-by-mail
22:30:33 <br-m> <usb:envs.net> i wanna know your experience
22:30:59 <br-m> <usb:envs.net> like wont the cash be stolen or what
23:18:26 <br-m> <frogmindset:matrix.org> How do you even go about buying it with cash?? > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> anonymously? Using cash is the only way
23:19:35 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cash by mail
23:19:41 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Xmrbazaar or retoswap
23:23:13 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> still got the exchanges stuff? > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The only difference is that monero.com doesnt ship any other coins code
23:23:25 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> @hopeful24:matrix.org: retoswap/haveno
23:24:30 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: find it on the street
23:33:01 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @basses:matrix.org: Yeah, exchanges are present
23:34:54 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @basses:matrix.org: Only some payment methods allow for anonymity
23:36:06 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Like, using a mule or fake return address for cash by mail, or wearing a mask and walking or taking public transportation to meet in a dark alley