00:00:06 matrix ops should ban synod.im entirely 00:00:25 all we've been having is this one guy registering multiple accounts saying the same shit with his sockpuppets 00:00:44 @barthman132:matrix.org: monerobull represents the typical hardcore monero fan. they've been holding for years; they moderate the reddit; they host the monero forum; they eagerly waited for serai for years; they help out with haveno guides. monerobull is gone and sold everything. you can ignore devs leaving, scammers ruining the project, and everything else, but don't ignore monerobull leaving 00:01:08 counterpoint: https://imgur.com/QJZuhr5 00:01:24 don't even engage 00:01:29 nobody could ever ignore the storytime wehad with your monerobull sockpuppet 00:01:37 it was truly a sad story 00:01:44 btw the user he is impersonating actually got one of their transactions invalidated by qubic 00:01:45 i remember that but that was a while back wasnt it 00:01:45 Aaajww291: rucknium is nigerian 00:01:52 actually hurting legit users 00:02:05 DataHoarder: from the big re-org chain? 00:02:06 tbh im an irc guy but the bridges 00:02:08 are easily abused 00:02:12 yep, Cindy_ 00:02:17 damn 00:02:21 no more details than that but it was confirmed 00:02:33 first cfb now monerobull sockpuppet you're an idiot :trollface: 00:02:34 oh? the transaction went through after? 00:02:43 no 00:02:46 synod.im: stfu lol 00:02:48 it was confirmed invalidated 00:02:56 DataHoarder: so what happens to it? 00:03:02 Yeah what happens to it 00:03:03 im curious 00:03:05 01:33:06 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: i can confirm lol 00:03:05 01:43:12 i'm getting frustrated now. when will my transaction be valid? monero has been consistently problematic, and i'm fed up with its issues. can't wait to sell all of my coins and move on to another cryptocurrency that doesn't have the same problems 00:03:05 01:44:46 why steal my name sucker? 00:03:06 :D 00:03:09 Refunded 00:03:20 ah 00:03:24 of course :P 00:03:28 datahoarder why are you contributing to monero? 00:03:31 why don't you value your time? leave now 00:03:42 any more details would need to come from that user, it's their privacy. but yeah in general tx is refunded but can't be spent if in mempool 00:03:51 other people don't have cool crypto 00:03:54 synod.im: bro how much do you get paid to give us a puppet show 00:04:02 I'm adding subaddress support to my proof maker 00:04:04 just for fun 00:04:05 you're literally here making up sockpuppets 00:04:09 and making up stories 00:04:10 he's getting paid $60 BILLION QUBICS 00:04:11 Datahoarder also works for mossad 00:04:14 or $0.005c 00:04:15 This is his day job 00:04:25 ofrn "scammer" xmr 00:04:43 Aaajww291: qubic will be worth $60 billion soon. it will eat up monero's $5 billion market cap 00:04:49 @longtermwhale:synod.im: sup? 00:04:57 i cannot believe that matrix lets you join a room with the same name as another user in the room 00:05:02 whats the usecase then? 00:05:09 to mine monero??? 00:05:12 @longtermwhale:synod.im: Only in your dreams 00:05:13 aigarth 00:05:21 monero has no use case 00:05:34 matrix is this garbage that users can simply impersonate others like that? 00:05:45 so you're here, expecting me to believe, that you convinced ~300 people with server hardware to mine on CPUs for "AI"? 00:05:50 Cindy_: it doesn't, the name includes the domain :D 00:05:52 when LLMs alone need GPUs... 00:06:02 it shows it when there is a conflict, but yeah 00:06:05 Aaajww291: do you believe this is a qubic rep? 00:06:06 "Federation" 00:06:08 lmao no 00:06:14 i believe synod.im is 00:06:14 their white paper is literally technobabble 00:06:20 :trollface: > so you're here, expecting me to believe, that you convinced ~300 people with server hardware to mine on CPUs for "AI"? 00:06:49 you know nothing 4chan retard 00:06:50 sech1 tried to mess with qubic and got what he deserved 00:06:51 "hahahaha look guys, they don't know i'm intentionally being dumb! they got trolled" 00:07:22 troll tactics that only a 9 year old would pull 00:07:28 @longtermwhale:synod.im u know who is sech1 btw? 00:07:37 datahoarder is next if he doesn't leave 00:07:49 where is the tweet bro 00:07:52 still waiting :) 00:07:54 oh no 00:08:01 DataHoarder: you better leave, if he doesn't 00:08:05 he's gonna call your mommy 00:08:11 and tell you that you were being mean to him 00:08:26 @longtermwhale:synod.im don't you feel sad that there's no one to impersonate you? 00:09:14 from the way the person is typing, and how they can only express hatred and nothing else; this is CFB just farming for tweets 00:09:23 im guessing he's gonna do an epic troll and post it on one of his many socks 00:09:27 epic win 00:09:29 idiot 00:09:49 he's gonna give us a puppet show :P 00:09:49 @basses:matrix.org: yes 00:09:50 he's already known for monitoring monero discussions 00:10:01 sech1 tried to attack qubic but failed spectacularly :trollface: 00:10:12 y'know 00:10:15 how? 00:10:24 i think i saw a CFB tweet that had ":trollface:" in it 00:10:31 yeah he does that a bunch for some reason 00:10:34 i am almost certain that this guy is literally just CFB 00:10:43 Its not 00:10:58 he's probably waiting till he gets his ass arrested 00:11:15 ofrn "scammer" xmr is right for once 00:11:17 Longtermwhale is my alter ego 00:11:20 i'm not cfb you're retards 00:11:30 settle down ok? 00:12:02 PoS is the only option for monero 00:12:17 why? 00:12:21 no devs are competent enough to implement it in time. qubic will take over and secure monero by taking its marketcap 00:12:26 cuz longtermwhale:synod.im is a Piece of Shit 00:12:34 thats 00:12:35 not how it works 00:12:36 but ok 00:12:53 1. switch to PoS and get rid of the qubic threat > why? 00:12:53 2. look at the reorgs qubic is managing. PoW has failed 00:13:08 don't ask him hard questions ;) he's just a furious NPC for CFB > why? 00:13:43 detective mining was countered by qubic 00:13:52 PoP will be countered 00:13:54 @longtermwhale:synod.im: Can’t switch tomorrow 00:14:22 synod.im, c'moooon 00:14:24 02:13:43 <+br-m> detective mining was countered by qubic 00:14:25 dns checkpointing will centralized monero and lead to network failure. relying on cloudflare for security :trollface: 00:14:27 qubic is more secure 00:14:28 give us a puppet show! 00:14:29 it was never implemented lol 00:14:32 they got him 00:14:38 he cant be saved 00:14:42 no one went past the talking phase 00:14:44 it was planned by fluffy "fed" 00:14:55 qubic managed to counter something that didn't exist 00:14:59 wow, i'm so proud of you CFB 00:15:01 they countered the wrong thing btw :) 00:15:10 shut up cindy 00:15:18 nah 00:15:24 if u use monero like an idiot wait for 30 confirmations this time ok :) 00:15:30 i want you to bring back the sockpuppet me 00:15:36 oh please oh please, synod.im 00:15:38 hey CFB i think the polish border is still open if you still wanna make a run for it 00:15:45 tell me how i wanted to sell monero for USDT 00:15:54 what qubic and satoshi/cfb is doing is perfectly legal 00:16:08 sir 00:16:10 CFB 00:16:14 you are the only person in existence 00:16:16 to call yourself satoshi 00:16:18 CFB, you will never be satoshi 00:16:18 please just stop 00:16:24 you are sergey 00:16:27 your name is sergey 00:16:31 you will never be satoshi 00:16:32 fuck you guys 00:16:35 no one is calling you that except you, your puppets, and your paid followers. 00:16:36 lmao 00:17:22 CFB, did you work as a gay stripper before? 00:17:25 is that why your name is CFB? 00:17:29 (or coming from behind) 00:20:26 did they leave or something? 00:20:33 idk probably 00:20:38 gone awfully quiet 00:20:39 he realized the bait wasnt working properly 00:20:44 > longtermwhale left the room 00:20:45 yes 00:21:11 he's probably still reading from libera monerologs 00:21:17 i know u sold all ur xmr cindy don't worry aigarth told me :trollface: 00:21:20 but since his entire userbase is so inorganic I would 100% believe that's cfb 00:21:25 i had to rejoin 00:21:31 lol 00:21:34 DataHoarder: nope they are back 00:21:38 you can't even touch grass for barely a second 00:21:46 when i call you, you immediately join back 00:21:52 desperate for attention 00:21:55 cindy i know u sold 00:21:57 it's okay 00:22:00 just admit it 00:22:14 Cindy_: this is what happens when you make your private keys 1+1! 00:22:26 Aaajww291: cope. qubic has millions marketcap and millions volume. how is that inorganic? 00:22:30 Cindy_, sorry that was me who took all your xmr 00:22:35 you can have it back if you show good behavior 00:22:51 @longtermwhale:synod.im what you are trying to achieve? 00:22:51 the qubic community is stronger than monero 00:23:11 >the qubic community in question: https://i.imgur.com/QJZuhr5.jpeg 00:23:13 you are proving otherwise 00:23:15 qubic community is talking about price promises hype 00:23:22 Aaajww291: keep ignoring that rucknium is nigerian? 00:23:27 monero community is not talking and just using monero 00:23:28 what are u racist 4chan retard? 00:23:33 Hes camaroonian 00:23:38 synod.im: the only thing you can't sell is your virginity 00:23:41 Yeah I'm racist, I love NASCAR. 00:23:52 because even the prostitutes get repelled by you 00:24:00 no he's not ofrn "scammer" xmr. i know his name but the qubic community is kind so i won't dox 00:24:29 @basses:matrix.org: monero community need to follow monerobull's foot steps 00:24:42 @longtermwhale:synod.im: who's that? 00:24:43 (they left after this) https://irc.gammaspectra.live/b028187738bc4dd8/image.png 00:24:58 qubic and monero is one. monero community need to leave for qubic or another respectable coin 00:25:06 ???? 00:25:08 what does that even mean 00:25:24 its like im talking to a fucking schizophrenic 00:25:32 embarrasing 00:25:37 you need to leave for touching grass 00:25:49 rather than spending your time failtrolling 00:25:51 :P 00:25:55 cindy sold :trollface: 00:26:00 admit it 00:26:17 @basses:matrix.org: you know sech1 but not monerobull? 00:26:19 > :trollface: 00:26:23 says not on discord 00:26:36 @longtermwhale:synod.im: I forgot who is sech1 is rn 00:26:37 i learned it from aigarth 00:26:41 i don't use discord 00:26:59 btw CFB i know you know this, but your "project" is gonna go to zero due to no confidence after the AI bubble pops next year 00:27:00 yes, longtermwhale is right, i sold 00:27:00 Qubic and respectable 🀣 > <@longtermwhale:synod.im> qubic and monero is one. monero community need to leave for qubic or another respectable coin 00:27:10 thank u cindy 00:27:15 .... sold my pokemon cards for monero :P 00:27:32 i know what u really mean cindy. sold for qubic 00:27:49 sergey = satoshi 00:27:51 nah 00:27:52 don't engage in the qubic part 00:27:57 no need to talk about qubic 00:27:59 smart money follow smart people 00:28:06 DataHoarder, fineeee 00:28:17 too late dathoarder too late :trollface: 00:28:18 where are the operators though 00:28:28 they know the best times to appear now :) 00:28:29 i thought people like this would get banned 00:28:32 aight 00:28:53 it was brought up in recent meetings, it was agreed that something had to be done, but no extra people were added 00:29:07 though some rooms have had rights changed to allow quicker switch now 00:29:09 all devs leaving that's why! 00:29:13 CFB offered me 50 dollars, but his ass was gross 00:29:28 he wouldn't get me to sell even if he pointed a gun at me 00:29:34 if any monero dev want to leave for qubic join the discord we have rewards for u 00:29:36 can you guys please let him talk to the wall? 00:29:41 yeah 00:29:48 anyhow I can just ignore synod.im in the bridge :) 00:30:06 ignore all u want the reorgs will continue anyway 00:30:21 they will certainly 00:30:24 lucky qubic doesn't get 51% on purpose. u should be thankful for their kindness 00:30:48 @plowsof:matrix.org 00:30:59 plowsof left for qubic 00:31:13 where is plowsof:synod.im 00:31:13 he will become qubic "staff" soon 00:31:28 @longtermwhale:synod.im: Okay zano shill 00:31:33 CFB, the only thing you wouldn't be able to reorg is a job application 00:31:39 @longtermwhale:synod.im: why a staff? he's a cryptographer 00:31:39 he probably died give him time 00:31:44 with that felony in your records 00:31:45 cfb = sergey = satoshi 00:31:47 i know my IRC bouncers used to fuck up a lot, idk for bridges though 00:31:59 i'm not smart enough 00:32:04 that's true 00:32:54 the only truthful thing he said, holy shit 00:32:57 https://arxiv.org/abs/1311.0243 00:33:10 monero needs PoS 00:33:17 u call it proof of shit but it's the only option 00:33:19 already muted 00:34:16 thanks 00:35:31 the paper they linked mentioned talks nothing about proof-of-stake 00:35:47 lol 00:35:48 don't bother 00:35:52 alright 00:36:00 instead how about feedback on https://blocks.p2pool.observer/ 00:36:04 click on some of the blocks 00:36:30 it probably looks shit on phone, I forgot to change something for the sections so they stack vertically 00:36:57 like https://blocks.p2pool.observer/block/1a3794b55ab4b9200355e94fb5c1fe1ea4c9c5d24e41e46049e93d668580817a 00:36:58 or https://blocks.p2pool.observer/block/eb387746299a33c09da89bc31b6c1f78c33df0813c86dd3da6858d3e7879a810 00:37:15 or p2pool block https://blocks.p2pool.observer/block/669465b24ac9dc5b37a2189edb0caab1b79e547518c984221c612823607589c4 00:37:24 looking pretty good 00:37:36 looks better than qubic website for sure 00:37:38 fun tidbit "merge mining 2 chains": p2pool is one of the chains, tari the other 00:37:57 this is pure SVG piped out would you believe it (for the main site) 00:38:02 i have an idea 00:38:10 why don't we selfish mine back 00:38:17 https://blocks.p2pool.observer/p2pool.webp is low quality 00:38:20 it has been proposed 00:38:22 like all of us, making up our own chain 00:38:24 yeah. p2pool has no logo 00:38:31 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/rwcakJZjrdylYRviquepajrw.png (clipboard.png) 00:38:32 and then push that shit whenever they try to 00:38:42 I have no good logo for it 00:38:49 some pools just have the monero logo too lol 00:38:57 why not just make it text then 00:38:58 Cindy_: better, ignore their chain 00:39:00 "P2P" 00:39:05 Aaajww291: I have no code for it :D 00:39:09 why not make it a SVG 00:39:09 rip 00:39:23 DataHoarder: this is the logo for your website, right? 00:39:36 no, it's whatever miningpoolstats had for p2p 00:39:47 no idea on source 00:39:48 i'll make a P2P logo for you 00:39:50 in inkscape 00:39:58 there's a few suggestions, some good recently 00:40:21 this was a recent one https://irc.gammaspectra.live/9000046e8915fb05/image.png 00:41:59 idk about that one from my pov 00:42:04 it just should just be something simple 00:42:19 indeed. it should crop to 16x16 and be recognizable 00:42:31 this more or less does that too, but it's just colors 00:42:53 this is after some iterations of feedback 00:43:04 I think p2pool github issues has some suggestions too 00:45:00 my suggestion is just keep it a simple acronym or a simple object 00:45:05 looks cool but the ladder will not be visible at this small favicon size > this was a recent one https://irc.gammaspectra.live/9000046e8915fb05/image.png 00:45:16 while not suggesting it, if you just put the monero logo for p2p 00:45:19 that would suffice 00:45:42 but im sure you'll find something 00:46:12 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/lGfviBvVLpUeldQoxZQmmzYK.png (clipboard.png) 00:46:43 will be a nice favicon 00:46:54 don't get cocky 00:47:15 anyways, no need to stress about it p2p logo 00:48:40 qubic has a countermeasure against dns checkpoints 00:48:46 can't wait for it to go live! 00:49:10 source? 00:49:15 hey a new one basses 00:49:17 check the pinned message in discord 00:49:18 don't fall for it 00:49:24 dns checkpointing is a waste of time 00:49:27 yeah he's right its the same bridge 00:49:29 > not on discord > check the pinned discord message 00:49:29 same guy 00:49:32 ik, already sat homeserver 00:49:47 guess what try to DDoS DNS provider? 00:50:00 mf speed running his career into lifetime jail and debt 00:50:15 @basses:matrix.org: qubic is unstoppable 00:50:38 qubic doesn't need to ddos dns providers 00:50:46 muted again, nolifer 00:50:52 pinned messages btw: https://irc.gammaspectra.live/2813814cfd400323/image.png 00:50:54 qubic can ddos nodes who enable the dns flag :trollface: 00:51:01 literally pinning my tool cause it's also that useful to qubic 00:51:14 http://discord.gg/2vDMR8m 00:51:17 did aigarth also tell you about what discord is and :trollface: ? :D 00:51:22 DataHoarder: https://0x0.st/Kca_.png 00:51:30 look! i made a better version in inkscape 00:51:40 Cindy_: make it roughly square if able 00:51:42 :D 00:51:48 that one is pretty good 00:51:48 but yeah that's good enough, many thanks 00:51:53 all they got are vibe coders and nolifers > literally pinning my tool cause it's also that useful to qubic 00:52:10 I want the data hoarded to be useful, no matter who 00:52:15 datahoarder i hoard data like you from aigarth 00:52:22 i don't need to use discord 00:52:40 when qubic discloses their view keys, I add them to my tool, and disclose all their verified blocks too. so everyone can get right counts and verify information is legit 00:53:03 provable data is very useful 00:54:50 Cindy_: like literally placing it in the middle and making viewbox square would do 00:55:09 I did the same for supportxmr, they didn't have available SVG for icon only so took it from the font 00:55:49 DataHoarder: https://0x0.st/KcaV.png 00:55:52 is this good? 00:55:56 good too 00:56:01 got svg? :) 00:56:27 I don't know how to add credit to you in the page, but you can drop a comment within the SVG XML if that works for you 00:57:52 i'll save real quick 00:59:38 also paracosm:synod.im if you can get me out from quarantine in the discord that'd be great. still quarantined from two weeks ago when I tried to join with the DataHoarder account there 00:59:41 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/FiLENppxISIwSGzCojIWnQHt.png (exposed.png) 00:59:52 I was reading from logs, but I decided to make an account because of how hilarious this is. The sockpuppet is indeed CFB. The Discord link says that the invite sent by paracosm was recently created by 'come_from_beyond', and it's linked to the official CfB Discord profile 01:00:05 the public invites from discord are all made by CfB 01:00:09 so it can be a public link 01:00:33 yep it's the general invite link from year+ ago 01:00:45 Oh okay 01:00:59 My mistake 01:01:02 same pattern https://www.reddit.com/r/Qubic/comments/1av93n5/discord/ 01:01:45 scottytimberlake: it was obvious from the start because of how he was typing 01:01:48 he was very emotionally invested 01:03:01 i cant wait for my irc chat to be on twitter though 01:03:16 someone make a Twitter Monero AI that autoreplies with a random monero-chan pic to each picture. not even AI generated, just random monero-chan 01:04:56 Aaajww291: Its the same person who's been here for yearrrs 01:17:54 thanks to Cindy_ got a nicer p2p logo for p2pool https://blocks.p2pool.observer/block/e3a3af94bf2aa544b872e75bb81d4406ea1828db306c52c9b871980209ffd66a 01:19:14 4k 02:22:46 one thing i realized from the observer 02:22:56 qubic's blocks always have 1 or 2 transactions 02:23:09 while others have a ton 02:23:22 They are their own txs 02:23:30 To combat detective mining 02:24:21 wow 02:48:23 Cindy_: not just withheld txs, but max they have is about 13 02:48:28 it's some fixed amount 02:48:40 and many times they have nothing or just their own txs 02:49:12 dark grey = blocks that only contain their transactions. orange, blocks that contain a mix of their transactions and others 02:49:41 https://irc.gammaspectra.live/22cdd1dca22268fb/image.png 02:49:46 this shows all examples :D 02:50:03 including light grey 02:50:15 they make transactions so they can mine more? 02:50:27 they make transactions to have secrets in their blocks 03:20:08 I'm mining with my shitty gaming laptop to help defend agianst q*bic 03:20:49 it's like 3kh/s when i'm using it for other stuff and 6.1kh/s when i boot my pc only as cli and just mine monero with nothing else 03:21:17 well yeah 03:21:32 when your laptop is doing nothing else, xmrig has more CPU power to mine with 03:21:54 it gets up to like 6.7kh/s than the cpu downclocks itself for some reason idk why it's not getting super hot or anyting and the psu can draw 80w. Than it jumps down to 60w. 03:21:57 after like 30s 03:22:06 grr i hate laptop bioses 03:22:17 Cindy_ yeah obv 03:22:39 is it running off of a power cable? 03:22:44 does it have proper cooling? 03:22:53 Yes and yes 03:23:07 it only gets up to 70-80c during this 03:23:16 maybe i downvolted it a bit too much earlier idk 03:23:37 i only want it to start trying to downclock at like 90c 03:24:01 i heard you can overclock using cpupower 03:24:03 in linux 03:24:32 you can do it with corefreq and i've tried to 03:24:36 but it doesn't work for some reason 03:24:51 some sort of hardcoded laptop bios thingy 03:25:17 did you load the kernel module? 03:25:25 when i get the money i do intend to throw together a shitty workstation with a used epyc cpu to do simulations for fun 03:25:28 Cindy_ yeah 03:25:31 ah i see 03:25:48 you could try cpupower 03:26:16 which interfaces with an existing scaling driver, rather than trying to have its own 03:26:47 using cpupower doesn't work as well as you'd think it would 03:26:59 my laptop just ignores the minimum clockspeed when it wants to 03:27:03 ah 03:31:25 anyways if anyone with more money than me wants to fight back, best price to perfromance mining rig i could figure out was: 03:32:41 2x AMD epyc 7452(150$ each used on ebay) with whatever duel socket SP3 motherboard you can find and like 16gb of ram and whatever cheep m.2 ssd you can find and whatever psu + cooler + whatever else you can find. All and all that should be around 1500-2000$(mostly the motherboard those are the bottleneck) 03:32:55 But that's a like 100KH/s rig. 03:33:14 and the cpus are only 310 watts for both of them 03:33:28 y'know 03:33:32 you don't need beefy workstations 03:34:00 exactly what i described was the bare minium machine to just use the cpus for mining 03:34:18 the bottleneck again is the mobos 03:34:20 look through e-waste piles 03:34:28 and get as many computers as you can :P 03:34:56 Basically what i'm doing but minimaxing it on ebay becase outside is cringe 03:37:41 get junk laptops, anything from 2011 or whatever 03:37:50 run them all, and hashrate will stack up 03:38:16 Issue there is uh.. horendous power efficiency 03:38:51 But valid even minimaxing like this mining monero is barely profitable so might as well just take the loss i gues 03:39:04 like, the rig i described might make you 2$ a day where I live 03:39:20 But i have a hunch that's not why most do it 03:39:28 hm 03:40:23 > 2x AMD epyc 7452(150$ each used on ebay) with whatever duel socket SP3 motherboard you can find and like 16gb of ram and whatever cheep m.2 ssd you can find and whatever psu + cooler + whatever else you can find. All and all that should be around 1500-2000$(mostly the motherboard those are the bottleneck) 03:40:23 i have free electricity, so if you'd like to sponsor costs, i'll set it up πŸ˜„ 03:41:34 recanman i'm sorta broke rn but thanks for the offer. Also I technically have free electricity because i live with my parents, but if i actually generated any sizable revenue from monero mining i'd split it with my parents to cover power costs + a bit extra 03:41:52 i was joking πŸ˜… 03:41:57 oh 03:42:23 what do you do for a living 03:42:29 ? 03:42:38 I'm in college rn. Working in the it dept as an assistent 03:42:45 I commute 03:42:54 Oh cool, you are in US? So what is your major? 03:43:07 Double majoring in math and physics, hopfully also minoring in compsci 03:43:26 Cool 03:49:40 Oh god looking at my old laptops, this one's cpu is so old it doesn't appear on xmrig.com benchmark 03:52:33 Why does my house have so much 2000s-2010 hardware lying around 03:55:30 alright my 3 laptops combined would produce around 960H/s combined probably 03:55:32 my 3 ancient ones 04:09:19 my intution that used epyc cpus are the most efficient for monero is right right? 06:07:00 Thanks mbll 06:07:46 Thanks mbll 06:08:33 Okay what the fuck is the deal with Qubic? What are they all about, actually? 06:08:49 They seem like a weird AI cult at first glance. Genuinely like pokemon evil team ahh 06:08:58 my fed detectors are going off 06:10:22 Colonizor can you not see that we were trying to start a "Thanks mbll" chain. Very rude 06:10:32 autism 06:10:34 sorry 06:10:39 Rral 06:10:44 Real* 06:10:50 Nah don't be sorty 06:10:55 sorry 06:11:00 I'm jk 06:11:13 And yes you are right 06:12:17 At best its a scam. At worst its the fed 06:12:55 AGI isn't even possible yet why are people so obsessed with it. I'll believe we're anywhere close to AGI when we have an AI that can do what a human can do with somewhere within an order of magnitude of the data that a human would need to learn how to do the same task 06:13:10 current ai is nowhere close to either 06:13:40 whatever at least it will prbably mean lots of hceep gpus once the market crashes so i can finally do some fun physics sims :3 06:18:53 but a good thing about cpu mining is that it can suddenly surge when there's an attempted 51% attack 06:19:24 though I should really keep working on that idea i had for a non POW digital economic system thingy based purely on digital signatures 06:44:34 Thanks mbll 10:30:29 everyone 10:30:29 what is up 10:31:15 there's a new proposal to mitigate 51% attacks https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/145 10:33:26 tevador's stuffing more data into tx_extra, daaaamn 10:35:17 libera netsplit? 10:38:38 this sounds pretty cool btw, i hope they manage to implement it 10:39:31 a proposal that starts with the word lucky? 10:39:44 yes 10:39:49 Cindy: yes, looks interesting 10:40:12 that's all I need to hear as that has been my life plan 4eva lol 10:40:23 also we need more money-printers 10:40:23 also tev a dor 10:40:26 i mean uhhh miners 10:41:25 can we, should we 10:41:43 y'know, make blocks faster so that we make more money? 10:43:27 Hi everyone, I found this chat on the Monero subreddit. I saw some users worried about selfish mining that managed to reorganize some blocks. There are many things I don't understand. Anyone willing to explain? 10:43:48 qubic managed to make a reorg chain that is 18 block deep 10:43:58 which invalidated 100 or so transactions 10:44:56 More and more. Last I read this information, they had successfully reorged about 9 blocks. 10:45:01 they pretty much got lucky that nobody out-paced them at that moment 10:45:22 yeah, most times they cap themselves at 9 blocks 10:45:28 @xorchi:matrix.org: start with telling us what you don't understand :p it's gonna be easier to explain if we know that 10:48:05 A few days ago, my transactions were affected by a reorg of about six blocks. This was something new and quite confusing for me. At first, I thought someone had stolen my wallet. 😁. It turns out that this was the impact of the block reorganization. 10:48:20 ah don't worry 10:48:32 6 blocks isn't enough to actually invalidate your transaction 10:48:49 it's when it reaches >10, where it starts invalidating transactions 10:50:07 if it does affect you, i think the transaction amount gets refunded 10:50:24 My transaction re-entered the mempool after receiving four confirmations. No problem. I'm just curious about what's really happening on the Monero network. 10:51:11 qubic is selfish-mining with a bunch of empty blocks 10:51:29 that is, blocks with either 0 or 1 transactions (which are made by qubic themselves) 10:52:01 https://blocks.p2pool.observer/ 10:53:09 this is what tevador's proposal "lucky transactions" tries to solve, because it replaces the old "longest chain is the right chain" rule with one that checks the blocks' weights 10:54:51 and chooses the forks based on the total weight of the blocks within 10:55:05 chooses one of the forks* 11:01:16 Cindy: Sounds good. Hopefully it gets resolved soon. 11:02:58 Cindy: Couldnt that be broken with filling the block with gibberish? 11:05:29 you should read the proposal :p 11:05:47 alexandre: nope 11:06:21 lucky transactions are the only transactions that have weight 11:06:40 i mean 11:07:11 that's what the formula looks to me :P 11:08:08 it's a win/win system. users are incentivized to make lucky transactions (if they can) because they don't have to pay any fees on it 11:08:36 and miners are incentivized to mine them and include them in their blocks to make them more heavier (and thus higher chances of preserving their rewards) 11:10:24 Fair :) 11:13:12 tbh this is just my interpretation of the proposal 12:31:09 Are we any closer to consensus (no pun intended) on which proposal is going to be implemented to stop the current attack? 12:31:38 To me, it seems like publish or perish, or the finality layer are the best options. 12:31:41 But that's purely opinion 12:33:47 DNS checkpoints will probably be implemented first 12:34:26 I figured, but that seems like a temporary "quick fix" 12:59:46 Two quick questions: monero.social account registration seems to be disabled??? Also, I'm having trouble verifying my device with element, anyone with the same issue? 13:01:38 Disabled 13:01:52 Try element x 13:14:55 Built a file server which unlocks files by sending requested monero. Feedback is appreciated. 13:14:55 https://codeberg.org/saltylemon/xmrdrop 13:17:52 sbt: you could give users an encrypted version of the file (encrypted with a ephermeral key) 13:18:00 and give them the key once they pay 13:18:22 so that the browser can still be downloading the file while they're trying to pay 13:22:23 Cindy: That's good for large files. Will add it to the list. 13:26:10 also it looks like download tokens don't expire at all 13:26:29 at least, in the code 13:42:39 15:14:55 <+br-m> Built a file server which unlocks files by sending requested monero. Feedback is appreciated. 13:42:45 cryptolocker as a feature :) 13:43:49 Cindy: Yes, I totally forgot. This is just a poc for now, so I must have forgotten a few more things. 14:27:26 Adding this onto blocks that have invalidated transactions, unclear if the wording is good enough https://irc.gammaspectra.live/6faf582e1accfb25/image.png 14:29:52 I feel the wording is good and quite explanatory 14:32:32 lgtm 15:30:51 Blocks with invalidated transactions now appear blue in blocks.p2pool.observer chain. Relevant blocks with invalidated transactions: 15:30:51 3499670 https://blocks.p2pool.observer/block/d3ed1c8867a05813f8f15f1c011790e883df54f99c0e9da6df92c0a6c36d5c7b 15:30:52 3499671 https://blocks.p2pool.observer/block/021ac55033935e731f576dd7226cdd0430c1c5cbcf23b19c56fe92ee2fbb2d84 15:30:52 3499672 https://blocks.p2pool.observer/block/66736b780e13c6623ee7599e5314ca5dac2c55c11d076684975fa62476f74e9d 15:30:52 3499675 https://blocks.p2pool.observer/block/9be23f6704592a40197a1c0aa0523fb57411ffb2ccb0e0dc6b3e3b46a3903483 15:30:53 3499676 https://blocks.p2pool.observer/block/9489923b1773c2575e3320b84357e451b2dc625ba1cb9d2f4d6c352689c5ac7d 15:32:12 The blocks in blue https://irc.gammaspectra.live/3d4322617de1e118/image.png 15:53:05 are users with invalidated transactions required to perform any action? or at least advised to? given funds might being unspensable and the decoy issue i.e. users should churn or so? 15:54:13 Just to use a node that has flushed the txs or to flush their own pool 15:54:33 Otherwise they can wait a week, if they arent in a rush to spend 15:55:34 The weird behavior here, is that the wallet tries to spend the invalid txs, when it should knows they are in the pool. Probably issues 10013/10067 strikes again 15:59:36 ofrnxmr: thanks 16:03:44 Has anyone experience with exchanging bitcoin at monero.com? I have exchanged the bitcoin with a conformation that they arrived and I could even see in my wallet that I have some monero inbound to my wallet. But now I dont see that anymore and havent got any monero. Is this normal or an error? 16:10:14 When was this incoming transaction made? 16:11:38 roughly, if possible UTC time 16:12:51 Well since I send the bitcoin 1:40h (14:29 UTC) passed and the notification that the monero came were shortly after 16:13:59 You shouldn't have been affected by the recent events then 16:14:52 Does it normally take that long or does the payment notification get "retraced"? 16:15:20 It should be in your wallet directly, if using Monero GUI, you can confirm you are at a recent Monero height 16:15:37 once you see the tx in your wallet incoming, that should take 10 block confirmations 16:15:46 Well I am new and went with Cake Wallet 16:16:30 that should be fine. make sure it says syncrhonized or try to go into settings and tap "reconnect" 16:17:55 I think I also have the transaction status thing from monero.com and it says the transaction has 60 conformations 16:19:49 Oh okay I manually scanned from the block height since 14 UTC and it worked thanks 16:20:29 :) 16:20:57 DataHoarder: i go to your site mostly to look at the p2pool logo 16:20:59 sometimes cake wallet can get stuck depending on which of the nodes listed you connect to. 16:21:03 Cindy: :) 16:21:20 I might try to add some small main/mini/nano text at the bottom right 16:21:46 you should! it'd help differenate the different p2pool chains 16:23:01 just make the text size change depending on which one it is :D nano being ultra small 16:23:16 SI units :) 16:25:11 well, mini sadly isn't on the SI prefix list 16:27:42 milli :) 16:28:22 that would work too 16:44:12 expanding on the bank run idea: theoretically, would it be useful to 16:44:12 1. buy/trade for monero on cex that has bad history with monero 16:44:12 2. withdraw monero to self-custody and trade it somewhere else (a trocador exchange with an A rating for example) for another coin 16:44:12 3. deposit that coin into cex from step 1, swap for monero, withdraw, repeat?[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/-4qKvrUKeDBrOEpi ] 16:45:34 and you could reuse the same funds over and over, quickly, while only paying fees 16:48:23 so if someone did it 10 time with 100 usd, the original cex would be depleted 1000 usd worth of monero, minus fees 16:50:16 they would blacklist you for defrauding 16:51:11 no, they would receive all their funds 16:52:19 if you do it enough you move the price 16:52:31 enough that those coins you placed elsewhere would flow to exchanges 16:52:46 either by people swapping them or the elsewhere selling on exchange 16:53:04 I would have them go to exchanges who can deliver quickly, and have a good rating 16:53:13 changes nothing 16:53:16 all you are doing is give fees 16:53:56 so redistribute to exchanges with good behavior, punish exchanges who don't have monero on hand 16:54:26 they will buy it back, yes, but at a higher price ideally 16:56:12 it's not about hoarding all the monero or keeping it off all cex, it's about moving more of the monero to more accessible platforms, so the people who want it can have fast access to it. It serves the second purpose of financially punishing unfriendler/shadier exchanges 17:10:12 hi 17:10:12 tets 17:10:14 test* 17:14:26 if you wanna do that you should provide xmr on atomic swap platforms 17:29:23 If you wanna do that, dont deposit xmr to cexs, ever 17:30:23 They get enough deposited when you pay for services, or use many different swappers. The former of whom usually immediately dump the xmr for fiat 17:33:11 https://xcancel.com/AilliaLink/status/1967613122539405517 17:37:50 @aillia:matrix.org How do tips work? Is it a custodial wallet controlled by the site or does it go directly to the user's address? Perhaps using a view key like https://kuno.anne.media/ does? 17:39:48 @torir:matrix.org: it's always P2P: it goes directly to the user's address 17:47:15 XmrBazaar is just a web interface / bulletin board / place to meet people: we do not custody funds /keys etc. for many reasons, including to avoid being a "money transmitter" :) So all your transactions, including escrow, are strictly between users; Bazaar is never part of any transaction :) Always P2P. 17:48:21 Just curious how you send notifications when someone sends a tip. 17:56:35 @aillia:matrix.org u working on xmrbazaar? 17:58:44 @basses:matrix.org: yes 18:01:09 @aillia:matrix.org: can you test on mobile and do the following: 18:01:09 open a listing and scroll to bottom 18:01:10 https://xmrbazaar.com/listing/vY3d/ 18:01:26 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/bjUAWnwhxgnafKExGsHZpNuw.png (clipboard.png) 18:02:13 also the way the PGP key presented to users is a bit off and harder to copy especially for mobile 18:02:38 Reproduced > <@basses:matrix.org> can you test on mobile and do the following: 18:03:57 would be great to also have it auto detect my theme preference (dark) 18:04:45 on https://xmrbazaar.com/forum if clicked on "Dark mode" button at footer it redirects to homepage and sets dark mode. Should just set dark mode and keep on the same page im on 18:06:07 oooh, we know there's a hell of a lot to fix there :) That's why it's still in "beta." Thanks for reporting (though I can't see your screenshot :) ) 18:06:35 Its that the footer is covered partially by the floating buttons 18:06:43 @aillia:matrix.org: what's with my screenshot? 18:07:09 @basses:matrix.org: Its aillia's client 18:09:54 @basses:matrix.org: I'm sure your screenshot is wonderful :)) The problem is me, not you: I use Matrix via the Tor browser:) 18:15:16 @aillia:matrix.org: https://share.riseup.net/#lkgsGw9KtTbjc_GcmbCEMw 19:46:39 @basses:matrix.org: https://xmrbazaar.com/forum/topic/12/page/1/ ;) 21:01:23 TOTAL PROTON SERVICES WILL SOON SUPPORT XMR PAYMENTS CONFIRMED 2025 NOT PATCHED WORKING METHOD SUBSCRIBE TO MY CHANNEL. 21:01:27 https://x.com/davidgpeterson/status/1967548398867030158 21:02:41 @syntheticbird: not even xcancel, fed 21:03:17 I already shared this news btw 21:03:42 . > <@basses:matrix.org> https://dys2p.com/en/2025-09-09-proton.html 21:03:49 https://dys2p.com/en/2025-09-09-proton.html 21:11:59 ah sorry 21:21:11 found this on my monerod log, haven't seen anything like it before: 2025-09-14 18:43:35.162 E wrong miner tx in block: , b.miner_tx.vin.size() != 1 21:22:45 and a ton of these errors since 9-13: Transaction not found in pool 21:26:27 looks like the errors started becoming very frequent right after block 3498838 21:28:26 (running a local node)