01:44:49 https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/coin-wallet-monero-crypto-wallet/31101 01:49:06 wtf is that scamwallet 01:49:53 fee : monero netork + 0.5% whutwhat? 01:50:03 And it know the real spend yay 01:54:04 @syntheticbird: Proton is a interpol honeypot. 01:54:21 What a surprise lol 01:58:53 i tried the program out 01:59:07 it sent 3 requests containing unknown base64-encoded data 01:59:13 once i made a monero wallet 02:03:22 also it sends a "wallet ID" which i think is the seed of the wallet, and a device ID and hash of the 4-digit pin 02:03:43 4-digit btw, it can be easily bruteforcable 02:49:22 @ravfx:xmr.mx: The fee is set server-aide 02:49:52 Weve rejected them for getmonero listing probably 3 times 02:50:22 This last time, they tried to act like they werent scum, snd tried to spin it like i was being unfair 02:51:15 https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/2162#issuecomment-3160400222 02:51:17 the site phones home a little too much for a wallet 02:52:24 its not even a wallet 02:52:30 Its a scam* 02:52:40 You spelled it wrong 02:52:46 also btw, i find it laughable that the only form of protection is a 4-digit PIN 02:53:08 "do u still charge fees?" 02:53:08 "All wallets except GUI and CLI have features that monetize users (buying, selling, swapping, gift card purchases etc.). Since last week buying xmr inside the wallet has become nearly impossible but this option had been available for many years" 02:53:08 that, given a hash (that the script gives to the site servers), can easily be bruteforced with a GPU in 5 minutes 02:53:15 Completely dances around the question 02:53:22 maybe less 02:54:21 who tf uses a 4-digit PIN 02:54:41 "Why leave such a comment without actually checking?" - coinwallet 02:54:41 "Last i checked, ya'll charged fees for withdrawal, so why would deposit $ there?" - ofrn 02:55:14 Cindy: ther arent that many combinations if 4 digits 02:55:20 U sure it woukd take that long? 02:55:34 yeah i'm not sure 02:55:37 it'd probably take like 02:55:39 30 seconds 02:56:44 10000 total combinations 02:58:45 for a "local" wallet 02:58:54 it literally does not let you make a wallet without letting it phone home 03:00:24 Chatgot says it will take a fraction of a second 03:00:37 Cindy: Edge too 😂 03:01:03 For a local wallet, you have to tell it your txid, else it doesnt know abour your balance 03:01:19 holy shit, their webapp is so poorly designed 03:01:34 it cant even phone home to give the servers a pin hash, wallet id or whatever the fuck 03:01:42 And you have to include an output to them everytime you transact - so they always know which outgoing txs are yours AND how much_ since their is a % of yours 03:01:44 because they didn't implement proper CORS policy 03:02:02 Sir, why are you spreading fud 03:02:12 oh i get why 03:02:15 We deserve to be listed in getmonero.org 03:02:16 their servers...... block tor 03:02:20 no joke 03:02:28 i requested the shit myself, and got a 403 forbidden page 03:02:43 YOU SAID YOU SUPPORT TOR!! 03:03:49 "we don’t share the private view key and we have no way of seeing future user transactions (a good point that was brought up earlier)" 03:04:10 "we are the only wallet that supports Monero without any sync (no local or remote node involved)" 03:04:21 i gave it a random tx ID from blocks.p2pool.observer and guess what 03:04:26 IT GAVE THE SERVERS THE TX ID 03:04:49 stop gaslighting! 03:04:49 "we don’t share the private view key and we have no way of seeing future user transactions (a good point that was brought up earlier)" 03:04:50 and then the servers responded back with the transaction details 03:05:52 " Entering a single txid checks one specific transaction, locally." 03:06:00 LOCALLY 03:06:01 locally my ass 03:06:05 HELLO, CANT YOUR READ 03:06:09 NOW LIST PKZ 03:06:13 STOP BEING RACIST 03:06:13 it literally contacted a server to get transaction details lol 03:06:23 L O C A L L Y 03:06:31 We dont know anything about your tx 03:06:34 There is no server 03:06:56 "It runs entirely on the user’s device, with their keys." 03:08:04 gawd 03:08:31 You monero people are irrational and antisemitic 03:08:38 wtf is the base64 data that the program likes to send 03:10:18 defamation, slander! 03:10:40 Just host your own fucking wallet for fucks sake it's not that hard 03:11:01 "coinwallet is a locally, self hosted, serverless wallet 03:11:05 throw it on an encrypted usb drive or something or keep the keyfile there. And put it all in a veracrypt volume 03:11:16 yeah good 03:11:35 please try it before you comment on it 03:11:44 Its the best wallet in the space 03:11:58 Why? Because we steal your money 03:13:11 had me in the first half :3 03:15:11 >tries to buy monero 03:15:16 >"select your country!" 03:15:26 >afghanistan: "There are currently no providers available." 03:15:40 >united states: "There are currently no providers available." 03:15:50 >literally any country: "There are currently no providers available." 03:16:33 buy another crypto and exchange that crypto for monero p2p 03:16:39 that'd be what i do if i had money yet 03:24:33 Buy BTC from atms 03:24:38 trade it for USDT 03:24:45 trade USDT for monero 03:24:59 usually an easy way to bypass most tracking 03:26:19 just remember you need trx or something for gas and don't be an idiot like that 03:30:06 Base64 encryption with Rot13 key derivation 03:30:43 You wish the wallet is even PIN encrypted at best it has the pin saved in clear text as a client side check 03:32:21 lol 03:32:29 and the pin is checked with the server :P 03:54:21 BoBeR182: USDT-XMR pool is very risky. I wouldn't suggest 03:54:52 how so? 03:54:58 can you elaborate? 03:57:39 USDT is a centralized contract 03:58:31 easy to freeze the pool 03:58:35 aka. tightly controlled in order to keep its peg to the USD 03:59:01 has there ever been a case of the pool freezing to prevent a XMR swap from happening? 03:59:06 could blacklist the pool 03:59:22 then I guess I recommend BTC > some non-scamcoin > XMR 04:00:59 there's some swaps doing BTC -> XMR vs 04:18:35 BoBeR182: Btc > xmr 04:18:35 Ltc > xmr 04:18:48 Why would you need a coin in the middle 04:19:31 To hide the fact that you are buying XMR from the blockchain? 04:19:56 @torir:matrix.org: There is no btc to xmr blockchain 04:20:13 Depends on how you buy the XMR. 04:20:15 BTC > LTC > ETH > BTC > ZCASH > DOGE > SCAM > XMR is the only way 04:20:51 @torir:matrix.org: Once you are in xmr, it doesn’t matter 04:22:15 It depends on your threat model. But if your threat model is, "the EU just banned privacy coins and I need to buy XMR anyway", it would be really bad if the government could follow the coins to an exchange and try to compel the exchange to say what its customers bought. 04:22:37 I mean, let me rephrase that. 04:23:39 If a government bans XMR but evidence exists on the blockchain linking your purchase of Bitcoin to some swap service or exchange where you bought Monero, and the government finds that out, they are going to restrict you from buying Bitcoin at the very least, if they don't try to jail you. 04:24:27 .... thinking about it though, most swap services you'll be fine. You can't usually tell on the blockchain what coin was purchased. 04:24:39 It's only a threat if the government can compel the swap service to share information on its customer's trades. 04:27:17 You should always bounce to a phone wallet or two 04:28:04 CASH > EXCHANGE BTC > PHONE BTC > DESKTOP BTC > SWAP XMR > PHONE XMR > DESKTOP XMR > Actual private transactions start here 04:29:29 BoBeR182 don't forget to bounce it through a custodied wallet because companies can are better at you than your own pricacy or something 04:29:49 that's what the exchange is for 04:30:09 Actually nah it should be 04:30:13 there is some aspect to leaving coins on an exchange as a "way" to mix 04:30:32 since your actual coins might end up in the cold storage 04:30:45 so internet tracing by private companies gets stopped 04:30:56 but governments can request via courts 04:30:59 it's a trade off 04:31:07 DESKTOP XMR > Gift Cards > Italian Restraunt front > Gold > Palladium > ZCASH > US Govt Bonds > Euros > Swiss Franks > XMR wallet running on Xbox one processor > (Private transactions start here) 04:38:00 If you are in EU, you have bigger problems than XMR > <@torir:matrix.org> It depends on your threat model. But if your threat model is, "the EU just banned privacy coins and I need to buy XMR anyway", it would be really bad if the government could follow the coins to an exchange and try to compel the exchange to say what its customers bought. 04:38:20 What's the EU gonna do ban PGP :3 04:38:26 Counterargument: 04:41:14 -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- 04:41:16 mDMEaMjqEhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAedN9ICCf1NKSrAZJ/V5dDvY9auI90VB8kz57 04:41:18 W7deAea0JENvbG9uaXpvcjQ4IDxjb2xvbjQ4QHByb3Rvbm1haWwuY29tPoiWBBMW 04:41:20 CgA+FiEEFsdDchfYKpnWVnb64/ebAIP6dH0FAmjI6hICGwMFCQWjmoAFCwkIBwIG 04:41:22 FQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ4/ebAIP6dH2UHgEAuN7Ljda17uwoadfhpAox 04:41:24 NP89Q48nVXFx+O6cPgXHjH4A/i6m7zLt4jXkUJrWX+94zccnyR2sQ9GvvDocgam0 04:41:26 E50IuDgEaMjqEhIKKwYBBAGXVQEFAQEHQPFsXHaeb7T0yBk1FLPtSuMf+Tq1n9VS 04:41:28 MMPHpIeoUx4GAwEIB4h+BBgWCgAmFiEEFsdDchfYKpnWVnb64/ebAIP6dH0FAmjI 04:41:30 6hICGwwFCQWjmoAACgkQ4/ebAIP6dH1QwQD/ffaZcSOWh/iUjcyZkKmI6gmUkWjk 04:41:32 iQp0S4zNFIB0Ma0BAInwQxVAJ+QbZs6SCUKufuuOKiwluP0Ik8nNbQsj8LUG 04:41:34 =wnrf 04:41:36 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- 05:57:56 Why spamming? 06:07:48 Checkpoint would be introduced, right? 06:42:08 qui êtes-vous 06:42:27 c'est quoi cet salon 07:05:01 What's the reason behind recent price surge? 07:11:45 full moon 07:17:40 @galaxy-nova:matrix.org: et sinon le titre en haut de ton ecran c est pour les chiens? 07:17:47 @eddie:oblak.be: this so much true 07:30:08 oh ça parle français là 07:33:02 macron démission, vive le québec libre, etc. 07:33:59 French taking over the chat 07:34:56 monero project will now officially communicate in french exclusively 07:39:57 but only Quebecois 07:42:55 @helene:unredacted.org: and you will have to verify your age 🧌 07:43:19 with fries, gravy and cheese curds on top 07:45:39 if you're a woman and someone wants to verify your age, say that you're in your 20s, and if they say otherwise, they're clearly being rude 07:49:46 true!! > <@helene:unredacted.org> macron démission, vive le québec libre, etc. 07:49:46 i cannot agree more 07:49:57 but i don't agree so much that i would speak fr*nch 07:51:32 i wonder how many canadians exist here 07:52:32 well, you must be from france, as no québécois would call themselves canadian and refuse to speak french given the opportunity :p 07:53:17 no sorry i'm a poser i'm actually a vancouverite 😔 07:53:59 hah, also works 07:54:04 :D 07:55:44 i like poutine, but i didn't pay attention to my years of french class though i wish i did, it is a good language 07:55:53 it is at least better than english 07:57:33 we do a little bit of linguistic perescriptivism 07:59:23 all languages have their own strengths :D 07:59:30 ugh French, move it to #monero-offtopic:monero.social 😜 08:00:49 Or should be change the name of the project Monero to Monnaie ? 08:03:09 @galaxy-nova:matrix.org: i did not notice that this was my friend galaxynova xd 08:19:17 https://imgur.com/a/3PWq9JK , it's been a month of MRR data, for what it's worth 08:30:10 qubic seems to have reverted their transaction code and are including up to 20 transactions per each of their blocks 08:31:04 @eddie:oblak.be got this data in raw form? 08:31:11 Yes 08:31:28 I'd be interesting in hoarding it. for reasons :) 08:32:04 DM me 😉 08:36:54 Do IRC to Matrix dm's work? 08:37:07 there are no puppets on this side, I disabled them for now 08:37:15 it's a relay on this side 08:37:17 ok 08:37:20 puppets on matrix side 08:37:23 (I sent DM) 08:37:45 People can opt-in for a puppet on this side (then DMs work) but I disabled that while testing new bridge 11:53:49 Pubics hashrate seems to be increasing on an upward trajectory and they are not selfish mining lately? 11:54:26 According to neopool 11:54:59 Neopool is the sponsor ad on the website :P 11:55:17 Oh lol 11:55:19 miningpoolstats website 11:56:27 they are not selfish mining, correct 11:56:29 Should I dump now before they pull a 50 block reorg or wait 🤪 11:56:41 their hashrate increases cause they are more efficient and earn more without selfish mining 11:57:06 Here's the full reorg event from September 14th with clickable links https://blocks.p2pool.observer/event/reorg_sep14_18/plot.svg 11:57:53 Ahh ok that make sense, they have stopped kicking themselves in their own balls! 12:00:31 Hash rate is mental, so is price, normally that would correlate, but Monero is in No Mans Land 12:01:35 Which is exactly where "they" don't want it to be 😂 12:26:31 Any good android wallet with ledger support? 12:27:31 TradeOgre funds moving https://forum.nexa.org/t/tradeogre-assets-on-the-move/1549 12:32:24 what's tradeorge's actual domain 12:32:38 when i search on DDG, i get a ton of domainjackers/phisher 12:32:56 @servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru: Cake is, iirc, the only one with ledger support 12:34:58 Cindy: it was tradeogre . com 12:35:33 nssy: To buy qubic as all roads lead to cfb (satoshi) :trollface: 12:35:52 did you switch domains, synod.im 12:36:07 sigh... 12:36:09 yep seems they did 12:36:51 people with such low IQ exist? 12:38:10 @sbt:nope.chat: Big brain move came from cfb. He had been longing Monero, and using the money he earns, cfb (who I call satoshi now) plans to buyback Qubic 👍️ 12:38:35 @basses:matrix.org: Satoshi is not low iq. Satoshi created AI, and Qubic 12:38:36 LOL 12:38:46 satoshicfb has a very very high IQ 12:39:06 just don't tell him that the IQ tester represented the IQ value as an unsigned integer 12:39:08 Are you one of the bitcoin whales trying to take down cfb? 12:39:10 Cindy: Cindy, in dog years 12:39:19 Satoshi is unstoppable and the Qubic community will protect him 12:39:20 lol 12:39:37 @basses:matrix.org: 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Dog years = XMR = low price 12:39:55 Cat years = Qubic = high price 12:40:18 thank you for explaining in cavemen terms 12:41:04 No problem 👍️ 12:41:20 Satoshi helped Monero community go from cave to genius 12:41:48 Qubic protects Monero 👍️👌Low IQ "analyst" like @xenumonero destroy it 12:42:19 stop talking like a yt shorts kid 12:42:19 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: It works on android? 12:42:49 you write messages like you're posting comments on youtube shorts 12:43:18 Oh I see. I have checked before and I thought it didn't support ledger on the android app. 12:43:27 But I see it on the description now. 12:43:32 Will check thank you. 12:44:06 @servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru: When accept Qubic? 12:44:10 As payment option! 12:45:26 @satoshicfb:we2.ee: Soon, around never. 12:46:07 satoshicfb: i have a question for you 12:46:58 did CFB personally recruit you for 10 cents a day from an indian facebook group 12:46:59 @servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru: But Monero = double spend you will lose your business! Qubic has no double spend 12:47:02 I recommend trusting Qubic after all satoshi is behind it all 12:47:36 No I'm real👌 12:47:43 Satoshi only funds Qubic 12:48:20 you manage to be even worse than the synod.im troll 12:48:33 which is something i can't believe can be possible 12:49:00 No troll only Qubic 👌👍️ 12:49:12 We can work together Qubic and Monero. Satoshi and Satoshi 🤝 12:50:16 @xenumonero Please be peaceful and remove your bad tweets about cfb and Qubic. Please do not censor Qubic in future posts. Qubic is Satoshi and we need to be kind to each other ❤️ 12:50:17 🤝 12:50:28 what i can tell from those messages is: does CFB pay you in something else instead of money? 12:50:52 does he give you the locations of the nearest shit you're high up on? 12:51:12 Who is cfb? 12:51:13 You mean satoshi? He is good too much for me 😍 12:52:42 no way did CFB's standard for trolls drop this lo 12:52:44 low* 12:53:00 you are laughable 12:53:46 pathetic! 12:53:49 No hate blocked 👋 12:53:52 Only peace with Qubic! 12:54:04 @plowsof:matrix.org 12:54:44 @basses:matrix.org: 👋 12:55:22 Qubic is only 2000 buy before it goes to 100000000+ 12:55:29 AIgarth swaps go from unsafe 🤮 Monero ->>>>>> transform ->>>>> Qubic 🤟 12:56:03 SoonTM from satoshi 12:56:05 how high are you 12:56:41 your messages are on the same tier as kids making comments on youtube videos lol 12:56:57 this smells desperation 12:57:31 Hi pumpxmr 👋 12:57:35 Hear about Qubic? Not despair like Monero... we work together and end of day Qubic >>>>>>> Monero! 12:58:14 kid get off the ipad 12:58:17 More and more friends will join from Qubic community we all become friends 💌 12:58:19 and? 12:58:33 why are you in our room bothering us? 12:58:39 @basses:matrix.org: https://qubic.org/whitepaper 12:58:44 Future is in your hands~ 12:58:45 idfc 12:59:04 @basses:matrix.org: Qubic.org will make own room and join monero.org REORG 👍️ 👌 12:59:06 satoshicfb i have a question 12:59:20 how much was on that roblox giftcard that CFB gave you 12:59:33 because kid, this isn't worth it lol 12:59:42 oh sech recommended that whitepaper as a good science fiction book, thanks! 12:59:54 @satoshicfb:we2.ee: i hope you are just a troll. 13:00:02 @satoshicfb:we2.ee: what is monero domain? 13:00:25 servers.guru: for a troll, they really suck at being one 13:00:45 Cindy: Average qubic enjoyer. 13:01:03 Monero community will become Qubic community satoshi vision... 13:01:03 01:00 PM 13:01:03 [... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/lqHx4LUKVjlhenI3 ] 13:01:25 LOL 13:01:26 lmao pasting from a script 13:01:28 what the fuck is this 13:01:29 Monero community will become Qubic community satoshi vision... 13:01:29 01:00 PM 13:01:29 [... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/7tLz4LUKRlpCeGlp ] 13:01:39 CFB should fire you tbh 13:01:45 here original, kid you cut so bad lmaooooo 13:01:47 you suck at trolling for him 13:02:02 LOOOL MF caught in 4k 13:02:40 kid, get off the ipad 13:02:44 I lost 10 iq point reading this. 13:03:01 @monerobull:monero.social @plowsof:matrix.org ban plz 13:03:06 The cherry on the cake is "removing os ensure more security" 13:03:22 Push that even further, no coin no vulnerability 13:03:23 @servers.guru:matrix.servers.guru: Really? I didnt read and i lost probably twice that 13:03:57 satoshicfb: how much robux does CFB pay you for this crap job 13:04:00 a lot of kids are joining Qubic thinking it will make them indepenedent from their parents 13:04:16 But stopping the qubic project you protect it from exploit. 13:04:21 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.servers.guru/xsMBiYuvlnpfjWCQavYaAHan.jpg (1000006166.jpg) 13:04:37 this is child labor lol 13:04:58 plowsof: ^ if able 13:05:29 did they stop talking? 13:06:09 i'm starting to think that they accidentally fucked their job up and bailed anyway 13:06:12 if the mods didn't ban them 13:08:12 Clean it up jannies 13:08:34 he left immediately after I pasted the edited part of his AI script 13:11:22 Took him a few mins to leave other rooms 13:11:43 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: hard to find that leave button on element! 13:12:01 discord very easy 13:12:10 surprised it even works 13:12:31 it's so nice of qubic to run a free advertising campaign for monero, it gives awareness that there is a coin that exists for privacy with traditional cypherpunk roots 🙏 13:13:47 @pyxmr2025:matrix.org @pyxmr2025:mozilla.org you there? Which of your accounts is the correct one 13:14:05 helene: maybe that's what the troll meant by pubic helping monero 13:14:29 maybe :D 13:15:05 Cindy: do you actually enjoy responding to trolls you do it everytime 😂 13:21:45 nssy: Interesting stuff 13:23:09 How can it be verified that the onchain message was indeed created by RCMP? Anyone can put whatever message, right? 13:24:09 this always happens 13:24:11 "oh they faked it" 13:24:16 and 2 days later theres an official report by the agency 13:24:42 @monerobull:matrix.org: 🖕 13:24:54 of course, you would be stupid to just trust things at face value on the internet 13:24:57 Fuck off moonboy 13:24:58 wow rude 13:25:02 @eddie:oblak.be: One guy can't secure his Bitcoin and then ruins a whole eco system, Bitcoin = poison for third parties 13:25:23 @mbyuvi:matrix.org: literally who are you 13:25:26 @helene:unredacted.org: No moonboys 13:25:32 Monero is cash 13:25:52 @andrewjackson:matrix.org: what do you mean? 13:26:12 @mbyuvi:matrix.org: who hurt you? i know, the canadian authorities kek 13:26:35 @eddie:oblak.be: it's highly likely though, putting that message in a transaction is a sure way to get the coins blacklisted on a bunch of smart contracts even if it's a lie 13:28:04 I'm going to add messages to my transactions "property of Elysee" 13:28:10 Wonder what would happen 13:28:30 "original coins - DO NOT STEAL - copyright to the owners" 13:34:06 @helene:unredacted.org: Why would LE wants to blacklist seized funds under their own control? 13:34:56 afraid they will lose control again 🤔? 13:35:15 @eddie:oblak.be: seized coins are not liquidized 13:35:33 what you mean with that? 13:35:58 HELP 13:36:22 @basses:matrix.org: Can we get our coins back? 13:36:33 @eddie:oblak.be: u mean OFAC sanctioned addresses? 13:36:44 No 13:37:13 If LE controls the private keys, because apparently they are able to move the funds themselves, then what is the point of marking it 13:37:17 @monerobull:matrix.org: FU 13:37:35 @eddie:oblak.be: except for flexing muscle of course 13:38:03 monero.town more like monero.dead 13:39:13 it was never supposed to grow this large 13:39:26 its a imperfect emergency backup in case the subreddit gets nuked 13:39:41 @monerobull:matrix.org: xenu replaced you 13:39:56 replaced me from where lol 13:40:14 Source of information 13:41:07 Everyone gets their news from xenu instead of the monerobull-tyranny-run subreddit that banned Swapuz for no reason and held them ransom 13:41:40 lmfao 13:41:46 Asking for 10 XMR to post? You are the worst kind of moonboy 13:42:03 ah yes, sech1, plow and mb, the notorious moon gang 13:42:35 asking for 10 XMR because its fucking insulting to flood the sub with ai slop, promise to not do it again and then do it again 13:42:45 the mods already do this shit for free 13:42:50 Fuck you and Haveno 13:42:55 dont make it harder with automated ai slop 13:43:08 fuck your centralized garbage exchange 13:43:11 @eddie:oblak.be: oh I read the actual forum post 👍 13:43:24 @monerobull:matrix.org: Swapuz risked everything sourcing funds from places like Ogre so we could deliver a quality service for the Monero community. This is how you repay Swapuz? 13:44:06 Monero is going to use centralized DNS checkpoints. How is Swapuz any worse? 13:44:13 the r/monero mods work without compensation to help the sub stay clean from scams and spam and you repay them by spamming ai slop after they already told you to stop? 13:44:17 Fuck you and your censorship. xenu is better and we trust them instead 13:44:27 Can you take the drama to DMs please? 13:44:34 @lordx3nu:matrix.org: should we raise the swapuz reinstatement fee to 100 xmr? 13:44:37 At least xenu admits centralized swap services are needed. You spread Haveno propaganda 13:44:49 kek 13:45:19 oh no, here i go shilling the decentralized p2p exchange again, the only option i still have as a european to swap without relying on some shady middleman 13:45:36 @monerobull:matrix.org: Again fuck you I'm ending the conversation here Swapuz was innocent. You are turning r/Monero into r/bitcoin 13:46:18 for any onlookers, sapuz spammed automated ai comments under every post, multiple per minute 13:46:36 i banned them, they said "it was their intern and they fired him" so i unbanned them 13:46:44 two days later they started spamming the same comments again 13:47:12 so i banned them and told them to donate 10 XMR to the monero general fund if they want to get unbanned 13:48:39 @monerobull:matrix.org: Be nice 13:48:59 Let them post for 1xmr per post 13:49:11 @monerobull:matrix.org: You sold all your Monero for Qubic. No one can trust what you say 13:49:13 "The subscription model" 13:49:35 @mbyuvi:matrix.org: lol thats so insulting. id never be retarded enough to buy such a shitcoin 13:49:47 i thought about shorting it 13:49:49 Moonboys only chase trends and censor anyone who fights against these trends 13:49:57 If they already posted 100 comments, then give them 1 time discount settlement of 10xmr 13:50:03 hey xenu 13:50:09 Can I get some of that 👀 > <@monerobull:matrix.org> @lordx3nu:matrix.org: should we raise the swapuz reinstatement fee to 100 xmr? 13:50:15 Swapuz was a fighter and we will continue to fight 13:50:33 @lordx3nu:matrix.org: 100 xmr, as sanctioned by xenu 13:50:40 good job, swapuz will have to caugh up 10x thanks to you 13:50:47 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: We are thinking of delisting Monero anyway if this continues 13:50:56 oh no 13:51:00 tragic 13:51:03 where should users go 13:51:09 Censorship and the threat of a double spend from Qubic 13:51:13 maybe i can recommend them a decentralized exchange 13:51:23 We will continue to fight, but the battle may be lost because of bad actors like monerobull 13:51:40 @monerobull:matrix.org: Fuck you and your Honeypot Haveno 13:51:44 Swapuz is safer and easier than Haveno 13:51:50 btw i know you are not related to swapuz and are just using this to troll 13:51:58 weve done this like 10 times before 13:52:11 at some point ill get bored and ban you mr kewbit 13:52:17 but right now its fun 13:52:33 ofrnxmr knows I'm not Qubic 13:52:44 s/Qubic/Kewbit 13:52:49 actually, you didnt even have the decency to use offtopic this time 13:53:11 Offtopic is for crazies like Juliu 13:53:15 And his buddies 13:53:17 Our lawyers are drafting a cease and desist letter as we speak 14:06:58 Law Enforcement seized funds never leave seizing, they are practically "burned" > <@eddie:oblak.be> Why would LE wants to blacklist seized funds under their own control? 14:07:45 I would guess so, so why the message 14:07:59 It's like repackaging cocaine in police wrap before burning? 14:21:32 @eddie:oblak.be: in the case of cocaine it actually gets consumed, and there's no traces of it "disappearing" 14:22:07 for stuff as public as those cryptocurrencies it's sadly a bit too visible so they don't 14:23:00 @helene:unredacted.org: what :p 14:23:53 corrupt cops might resell it, but it's not the default I hope 😅 14:26:25 it happened recently-ish in france that a cop got arrested for actually being a dealer; might be a default in many places eh? :p 14:27:17 The fact the cop got arrested for it shows it's not the default 14:27:45 well, it took quite a bit for him to get arrested, so you know! 14:27:54 just because it's not a good public look doesn't mean it's not a default 14:28:26 "might be a default in many places eh? :p" < this is more normal than people think 14:28:30 So then the police is funded by drugs money? 14:29:42 less "the police" as entity, more "some cops" 14:30:37 That's where I wanted to say, out of tens of thousands of cops, there are obviously a few hundred criminal ones, but it's hopefully not dictated by the governance 14:31:09 it's very difficult for cops to be investigated by other cops, for a bunch of reasons 14:31:51 yeah 14:31:56 if you're a cop and you suspect a coworker doing something very illegal, good luck reporting it and have it go through; it's also very likely that the entire hierarchy already knows and either doesn't want to do anything about it, or is involved in it 14:32:11 if it's the latter, you might "disappear" 14:32:19 not to long ago, some cop here was driving patrols without a driving license 14:32:30 then he got into an accident and killed someone 14:36:32 @helene:unredacted.org: any cops here want to comment on this ? 😬 14:37:57 Why all the hate against cops? Cops protect us. I'm sick of all the extremists in Monero. Only a small minority of cops are bad and there are more sinister drug dealers than bad cops 14:39:27 i'm glad you joined to say that, you convinced me. i have learned the errors of my ways 14:40:20 I can't convince mind broken anarchists 14:41:33 Technofeudalism is our future. Monero will help provide the state a trustworthy replacement instead of using centralized CBDCs 14:42:09 We know really well what did append to cities that defunded the cops 14:42:09 Most/all of there are ***holes now 14:42:09 Problem are not the cops (usually). 14:42:09 Problem is the state 14:42:31 The state need a monero for there cover/shady operations 14:42:56 @ravfx:xmr.mx: No, the state is okay. Sometimes citizens need to develop products in the free market (like Monero) and the state can adopt successful market products 14:43:35 The scam is always there to try to scam in one more more way 14:44:27 I don't know what your definition of state is 14:44:38 Mine is a society ruled by tech companies who become the state 14:44:42 @nocbdc:bladerunn.in: Your local gouvernment, usually 14:44:58 thank you for the armchair philosophy but i was just paraphrasing what a cop in the child protection brigade in france was explaining about having had to denounce another cop that was a sexual predator, and how he had to go to a journal & more to get the accusations to actually get taken seriously by his hierarchy lol 14:45:08 it wasn't an argument on whether cop good or bad 14:45:20 @ravfx:xmr.mx: It will no longer exist 14:45:42 I don't know when 14:46:21 I always ask myself when the state obviously goes bad the cops blindly follow. How is that not bad? > <@ravfx:xmr.mx> We know really well what did append to cities that defunded the cops 14:46:24 No country wants to have to deal with forex and trade barriers, but no country wants to give up currency control to another. > <@nocbdc:bladerunn.in> Technofeudalism is our future. Monero will help provide the state a trustworthy replacement instead of using centralized CBDCs 14:46:24 There are only two ways a universal currency can exist: total domination of everything by a single country, or all countries agree on a common medium that cannot be controlled or manipulated by any one party. 14:46:53 @preland: Thank you buttcoiner preland 14:47:11 Of course, most countries prefer the former. 14:47:11 If the former isn’t feasible….then the latter becomes the only option 14:47:23 @eddie:oblak.be: The cops are usually part of the city no? 14:47:23 The city might execute what the state ask exactly, or no 14:47:27 The latter is inevitable 14:48:29 @ravfx:xmr.mx: cops operate on different levels, you have local / national / border / ... 14:48:40 @nocbdc:bladerunn.in: Hearing the opinions of those with a polar opposite and immovable opinion is rather helpful. 14:48:40 It has helped me see what Monero is, as well as what it can never be. 14:48:43 sometimes cops fight each other 14:49:54 Do tell 14:50:08 What can it never be, and what is it 14:50:23 @ravfx:xmr.mx: what I'm trying to say is that cops barely seem able to think for themselves. Which sometimes is required, but can be very dangerous. 14:50:34 @preland: It has helped me realize how retarded people can be. 14:50:51 Yeah, by cops I mean the police. 14:50:51 Not the border patrol, military, National Guard, etc, etc 14:50:58 @nocbdc:bladerunn.in: you need monero for that 😂? 14:51:02 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Americanscream sums up their entire opinion 14:51:06 monero can never be me 14:51:08 and i can never be monero 14:51:11 Who they "their" 14:51:13 @eddie:oblak.be: Yes 14:51:16 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: r/buttcoin 14:51:19 Which americanscream? The real one or the imposter? 14:51:34 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Both have pretty much the same opinion 14:52:24 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: It can’t work as a “mixer”, which is something I’ve been saying for a while 14:52:24 There isn’t any scenario where using Monero as a currency intermediary would work in the long run. 14:52:36 Monero is for criminals, Monero is a waste of energy, Monero is unnecessary, Monero is expensive, and Monero cannot scale 14:52:52 Obviously, it isnt a mixer. 14:53:00 @nocbdc:bladerunn.in: Monero is cash 14:53:06 Why would you think it was? 14:53:24 @nocbdc:bladerunn.in: Tbh AS doesn’t know much about xmr; most of those criticisms are leveled mainly against Bitcoin 14:53:26 Thats like sayong "my dog cant work as a cat".. no shit 14:53:29 I didn't 14:53:31 what? 14:53:34 @ravfx:xmr.mx: r/buttcoin thinks what I listed 14:53:37 Obviously not me 14:53:38 "My car cant work as a boat" 14:53:41 It's funny when people try to use monero just for the mixin part and get cooked 14:53:49 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: what if it meows though 14:54:08 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: “Monero is a privacy tool, like Tor”: does that ring any bells? 14:54:11 @preland: He controls all the communites so his opinions naturally trickle down 14:54:25 test 14:54:31 @ravfx:xmr.mx: You can use Monero for mixing, though you need to use it correctly 14:54:37 @ravfx:xmr.mx: Yeah 14:54:42 Fijxu_: took like 20 seconds to send 14:54:53 Monero work better when your not constantly swaping. It work better when used as your bank account and way to spend. 14:55:07 @preland: ????????...?????? 14:55:19 The problem when you use monero for "mixin" is that you go from something else to monero back to something else 14:55:43 This 14:55:43 It's the same with Bitcoin privacy. It's possible, though not simple 14:55:57 My fork is a utensil, like my spoon 14:56:03 @ravfx:xmr.mx: This. 14:56:04 you have to be really careful with the in and out. Hence, Monero is not a mixing tool 14:56:17 Does not mean that you stab mean with a spoon 14:56:23 Meat* 14:56:37 @ravfx:xmr.mx: Theres literally like a 10 year okd YOUTUBE video about this (EAE) 14:56:44 you can stab with a spoon, but you need a really strong spoon 14:56:53 Its been known since day -100 that monero is not a mixer 14:57:22 You cannot spend Monero if merchants cannot swap back into fiat > <@ravfx:xmr.mx> Monero work better when your not constantly swaping. It work better when used as your bank account and way to spend. 14:57:24 Along the chain someone needs an exit 14:57:30 @ravfx:xmr.mx: I mean.. i eat ice cream from the contaoner with a knife too 14:57:43 Circular economy is an anarchist wish that will never come true 14:57:52 I feel some frustration 14:58:11 It's like buttering toasts with a spoon 14:58:24 stop caring about other people's dreams... 🤷‍♂️ 14:59:06 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: There has been a significant amount of public display where Monero is advertised as a privacy tool 14:59:12 But eddie, youe dreams are important to us 14:59:27 @preland: From which marketing arm? 14:59:37 Which advertising firm is this? 14:59:54 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Oh nobody important, just like 14:59:54 The first speaker at MoneroKon 2024. 14:59:54 https://youtu.be/iBOumm2SrcU?si=1crD-x9qxIo1TmLZ 15:00:09 monero provides confidential transactions 15:00:22 Yes 15:00:26 @preland: Take it up with the twisted edwards non-profit 15:00:51 Sounds like nobidy to me. Didnt they also have "kill russians" and "enshitification" speakers? 15:01:24 Monerokon isnt monero 15:01:41 Monerokon is a conference organized by an unrelated nonprofit organization 15:01:53 90% of arguments stop right before both parties are in agreement; keep arguing 15:01:56 @preland: So what. It's up to each individual user to do research about what it can do 15:01:57 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: they did? 15:01:57 I did not watch other than the first day video that I was told to remove (I wanted the original experiance, did not watch any of the individual video on youtube) 15:02:12 not this year 15:02:21 It was last year, but yes 15:02:27 @eddie:oblak.be: Are you also going to go around being angry that washing powder doesn't wash as white as advertised? 15:02:32 someone called the police on him 15:03:01 @eddie:oblak.be: This sounds like racism. 1st warning /s 15:03:42 "i recently discovered that monero is not a mixer" 15:04:05 Very much implies that.. you previously thought it was? 15:04:48 Monero is no more of a privacy tool than cash. Its not a privacy tool, its just not a surveillance one 15:05:52 Its a cryptocurrency that, in contrast to the status quo, provides confidentiality near-par to cash and slightly greater than credit/debit 15:06:16 Confidentiality doesnt mean "this coin helps you to wash bitcoin" 15:07:35 Monero is probably the only one that is "as confidential or better, than a bank" 15:08:06 Firo and some other might be good to, but there not as usable as monero (no one accept them) 15:08:25 What? Must be a misunderstanding then, or I didn't catch your sarcasm > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> This sounds like racism. 1st warning /s 15:08:51 @eddie:oblak.be: the /s is a known internet thing used to mark sarcasm 15:09:08 I'm new on the internet sorry 15:10:31 @eddie:oblak.be: it's okay it's a zoomer thing (/s) 15:11:00 Can we edit chat with that new IRC spammy bridge? 15:11:18 Or we need to continue to "sed" 15:18:13 test 15:19:01 answer is no, no "edit" get to the bridge user 15:31:07 I never thought it was; but for a while that was the consensus > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Very much implies that.. you previously thought it was? 15:31:07 Very few would literally refer to it as a mixer, but some would. Others would just describe using it in the same way as you’d use a mixer (“just take your [insert payment method], trade it into Monero, then trade it back out into [insert payment method]. It’s the intended way to use Monero, after all”) 15:31:26 how many block were reorganized in the last attack ? 15:32:07 https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/2fiat-com-kyc-free-virtual-prepaid-mastercard-paid-with-crypto/31153 15:32:07 thoughts? 15:32:21 looks sketchy and new 15:34:34 aren't there already a lot of similar services offering US-issued virtual prepaid cards? 15:37:19 @helene:unredacted.org: yep 15:38:33 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/p/qoWz5bUKS3lwaUJi/1.txt (code snippet, 4 lines) 15:38:33 their fees 15:40:51 @preland: It was never the consensus 15:41:21 It was deluded bitcoiners method of coping with their inferiority complex 15:41:54 "dont hold monero! Just use it as a condom! This prevents the woman from telling your wife!" 15:42:02 pure delusions 15:43:22 Afaik, monero has always discouraged "pass through" usage. Its the SAME problem as using optiobal-privacy coins and using the privacy function as an intermediary 15:44:46 Straight garbage take to claim that using monero as a mixer has ever been promoted by anyone who isnt retarded 15:47:07 @basses:matrix.org: too much baby 16:20:59 hello 16:24:34 👋 16:34:20 I have never scrolled through so much without reading it lol 16:34:42 you're not missing much! 16:35:24 oui 16:37:41 i actually wonder what does CFB give to his trolls 16:40:35 Cindy_: iou? :) 16:42:06 @ravfx:xmr.mx: Head 16:42:21 @ravfx:xmr.mx: std 16:42:36 i was thinking maybe robux 16:42:57 like maybe he hires the most stupidest kids 16:54:13 Cindy_: Maybe... 😅😂 18:00:52 I have made this Timeline of Monero 18-block reorg on September 14th, 2025 https://github.com/WeebDataHoarder/Monero-Timeline-Sep14 18:06:11 Nice, solid info, thanks DataHoarder 18:06:27 if you have any suggestions on changes or wording, feel free to reach out 18:13:37 @datahoarder "If the sender is an atomic swap, that could cause further issues." < the sender is pretty safe here 18:14:05 The recipient is the one who may lose funds if tx reversed or invalidated 18:14:21 it falls onto the multisig part then, and the other chain to timeout? 18:14:56 Nah, atomic swaps dont use monero's multisig 18:14:58 Haveno does 18:15:48 they use keyshares for a wallet that each party owns half of the private key for 18:16:04 If the recipient waits long enough (>18 conformations) before acknowledging the reception the atomic swap should complete normally > <@ofrnxmr> The recipient is the one who may lose funds if tx reversed or invalidated 18:16:26 yea 18:17:31 If the recipient / non-xmr side doesnt release their coins to the xmr side, then np 18:18:08 Sub-10 block reorgs dont cause issues for atomic swaps 18:18:18 They do for multisig/haveno 18:18:56 Invalid txs are only an issue if the sender of the xmr has already received the non-xmr payment 18:19:22 The sender of the xmr will get their xmr back, with no knowledge of who was supposed to get the xmr 18:19:57 Well, one line's good enough to sum it all up. Fuck the fash. Hopefully a Nuremberg will be held for those assholes after I'm dead. 18:27:38 basse: if you're here... By dragnet and niche ? Well: 18:27:56 yes 18:29:08 Monero is a good coin. Doesn't try to be everything, just tries to be bitcoin with the lack of privacy fixed (I know other people favour other things, but the privacy thing is my interest here). 18:29:22 XMR saved family lifes in war where you couldn't send them money due to payment service shutting down operations in country they live in or someone fleeing from warzone. 18:29:33 And yet, it's a ridiculously small amount of adoption compared to Bitcoin. 18:30:04 People just don't give a shit. People just don't care, and don't even imagine they'll care, about privacy in their transactions. 18:30:24 Or maybe they think it's mostly pointless to try to care ? Some of it all I guess. 18:30:48 Yes, that is good, but still nuche , as in very few people. No widespread usage. 18:30:59 As for dragnet... 18:31:46 ofrnxmr, Pegasus (2011 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware)) existed before Monero 18:32:17 In the last few days, the self claimed champions of free speech in the US have started a massive witch hunt against people who exericse their free speech to avoid fluffing some asshole who got murdered. 18:32:22 moneromoooo, not true, see the movement against ChatControl 18:32:34 also the spread of FOSS alternatives 18:33:02 growth won't be rapid even if so, lack of funds in majority of projects will show signs 18:33:17 It is based on social media, but financial links will be used, since the US govt atm is basically the top level of that disgusting fash movement. 18:33:33 What exactly are you saying is not true here ? 18:33:36 so growing at low rate is a good thing with funds and time contraints from FOSS devs 18:33:38 I know > <@basses:matrix.org> ofrnxmr, Pegasus (2011 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware)) existed before Monero 18:34:40 U.S and U.K are very dystopian you got no choice on survalliance bills and laws 18:34:52 > What exactly are you saying is not true here ? 18:34:52 People not caring about privacy 18:35:20 Well, maybe they do care, there are surverys saying they care. But they care a lot less than other things. 18:35:28 surveillance* 18:36:06 > Well, maybe they do care, there are surverys saying they care. But they care a lot less than other things. 18:36:06 They also do not care in a lot of other stuff, not only privacy 18:36:06 About the Chatcontrol thing, it's mostly pointless. It comes back again and againand again until it passes. Because so many people are OK with it. It'll pass eventually. 18:36:50 who said they are OK? Most of these bills rely on people not paying attention so they resist it 18:37:06 aka they do not care ? 18:37:06 so they can't resist it until it's late* 18:37:18 Chatcontrol has been a thing for ages. 18:37:31 No, not hearing even about it 18:37:38 And every time something passes, the next step comes ip. It never ends. 18:37:47 Some people care, but not enough. 18:37:59 but if you ask people on street about it, majority of them will be clueless 18:38:00 If *people* cared, it'd never get close to passing. 18:39:32 I do my part moneromoooo 18:39:44 Thank you :) 18:39:59 but yeah. comes back in different forms, different groups 18:40:06 different purpose attached to same law 18:40:35 meanwhile > "We must break with the totally erroneous perception that it is everyone's civil liberty to communicate on encrypted messaging services." 18:40:36 To be fair, I did not complain about rivacy laws either. I went straight to code. 18:41:03 DataHoarder: Denmark moment 18:41:28 dumb people in charge, I bet they don't even know that this law applies to them and all of their messages will be scanned too ;) 18:41:42 Politicians typically get an opt out. 18:41:49 They know very well. 18:42:53 this explicitly has opt out for government bodies and military yeah 18:42:56 But now it's worse than just spying on everyong. The cunts in the US govt are angling for pogroms. Possibly a genocide. 18:43:28 they make fun of the French for being eternally in strike but that is the way 18:43:35 Well, military I can accept. As long as checks within the military, fwiw. 18:44:00 sadly everyone is too busy trying to live day to day to bother moneromoooo :D 18:44:20 Well, you'd think that, and that does have some weight. 18:45:08 But if you look at all the fucking shitstains on social media howling for violence against innocent people, I'm not buying it. 18:45:33 Doing nothing against privacy invasions because you're living day to day ? OK, I buy that. 18:46:18 the frog has been utterly boiled and has lost sense of heat 18:46:29 now is getting well cooked 18:46:32 Spending hours calling for pogroms against trans people ? Not for a fucking second. This is fucking hitler again. People said "never again ?". In the US, it's "now, again, plz". 18:47:03 And, sadly, monero is a bit too late to provide some measure of protection to the people who need it most. 18:47:20 Granted, protection only in a small sector, the financial one, but still. 18:47:30 you made tools, but it's up to people to use the tools in the end 18:48:57 It's weird. I was kinda expecting the fash to yell back at me here, cryptocurrency has a lot of right wing assholes in it. And crickets. 18:49:29 they are busy trying to cancel people 18:49:50 for step 1. of what you said 18:51:57 a lot of people live paycheck to paycheck and don't have the head space to care. > Or maybe they think it's mostly pointless to try to care ? Some of it all I guess. 18:52:14 Or maybe it's just vance and trump hiring 1000 guys to maintain 1000000 twitter accounts to spew hate :D 18:53:37 Wierdly... I think it's the dishonesty more than the hate that pisses me off the most. 18:54:15 Hate is kinda honest in a way. You're a cunt and you're not claiming not to be. 18:54:42 And, let's be honest, everyone's a bit of a cunt in some way. 18:55:45 Im a dick, not a cunt 18:55:57 you are making their much easier then when giving up, in fact, they are probably celebrating rn 18:56:15 their job much easier* 18:56:47 doubt it 18:56:59 They fund these works yknow 18:57:22 moneromoooo: i was introduced to monero because my government likes to nerf the financial system to hell 18:57:36 Fair. But when I change "vocations", I changed personas. I am moneromooo here, and for related things (Townforge), but not for other things. 18:58:50 like we have a limit on how much you can spend on foreign things lol, among other things 18:59:13 like having a special version of paypal with several features removed because the gov didn't likeit 19:00:31 and i mean paypal but the only thing you can do is receive, there's no paypal balance, eveything goes straight to your bank account 19:03:26 so it wasn't really because of the privacy aspect, but more of the usability aspect 19:04:22 * moneromoooo kinda surprised by the "I chose monero for usability reasons" argument, and decides this is due to living in a not-that-shite country... 19:05:24 also not have your identity stolen because KYC service had a breach 19:06:52 for me the main attraction of monero was/is the freedom 19:07:11 i mean, i'm sure cryptocurrencies have a ton of good aspects about them 19:07:37 which is probably why my gov decided to severely restrict it and fine anybody who uses it.... which didn't work 19:08:02 eddie: yeah freedom is the best part 19:09:08 like holy shit, i don't have to worry about my transactions getting rejected because i passed the annual limit on foreign transactions 19:09:21 I tried to do a SEPA transfer to outside the country moneromoooo and the bank had disabled them, took several phone calls and some questionnaire to be able to send like 100 EUR to a friend 19:09:35 Cindy_: which is also part of the attraction, outsmarting stupid governments 😂 19:09:41 Friend ended up taking it in Monero 19:10:00 And only later got sepa sent for just shipping costs 19:10:26 my government is super annoying with how much they like to control the flow of money 19:10:32 and the economy in general 19:11:15 they put a new restriction where in order to send money to ANYONE, the person has to have the same last name 19:11:23 What is the current status of the checkpoints? 19:11:27 like basically be in the same family 19:12:05 I had recently a transaction denied between 2 of my own accounts within the same bank because the name wasn't written in full 🤦‍♂️ 19:12:38 i remember when i could go to WA or moneygram and send money to anyone around the world 19:12:46 now it's just "people with the same last name" 19:12:49 around the world 19:12:58 yeah that's why monero is useful 😁 19:13:11 "A deed poll away keeps the busybody away" :D 19:13:20 s/away/a day/ 19:14:17 thanks to all of you for your time on this project, really :) i'm glad to see the spirit is still alive, and all of those reasons are also why i got into monero as well 19:15:18 i was amazed in ~2018 to see it also so well explained by the monero book, the wiki and all the documentation; and the cryptography was also so approachable, the goals very explicitly made clear, the thoughtfulness of every decision and part of monero 19:15:45 I choose Monero because it's developed by a pony 19:16:05 of course 19:16:13 a valid reason nonetheless 19:22:31 moneromoooo: maybe it was a blessing in disguise, because if it wasn't for the restrictions, i would have never discovered monero 19:27:25 Everyone needs Monero eventually. A lot of people immediately object to cryptocurrency for many reasons — because it got associated with scams, for environmental reasons, or for other moral reasons — and while I understand all of those, I decided that my freedom and privacy were more important 19:28:28 Many people decided that the association with scams, or the environmental impact, etc. were more important to them, and that's fine. I just hope the alternative will still be there when and if they eventually change their minds. 19:45:20 @eddie:oblak.be: If this sort of protection protects me from having my money stolen, I think I'd put up with it. But ONLY as long as the bank is consistent with its protections and doesn't start using them as an excuse for censorship. 19:46:13 my bank doesn't even have proper protections 19:47:29 when one of their employees gets social engineered by someone, and get compromised 19:47:45 and then my accounts get wiped.. who can i talk to? :P 19:48:41 talk to the bank, they tell me to fuck off lol 20:45:42 @helene:unredacted.org: a lot of those people using environment as an excuse to be able to dismiss crypto take the plane for a city trip 400 km away and use AI for whatever. It's OK that people don't like crypto or don't want to bother with it, but the climate argument has always been a false one. 20:49:31 People will always have some level of hypocrisy :) 20:49:57 The main reason that people don't use crypto is because they are happy with the relative wealth they have and they are interested in things that are not technology or finance. 20:50:48 Even if crytpo didn't have scams most of those people wouldn't use it because they just don't care. 21:02:11 eddie: AI is worse than crypto 21:02:24 at least crypto makes more jobs while it is "ruining" the environment 21:02:39 AI takes away jobs 21:02:51 while it is ruining the environment 21:03:51 That's why I say that the climate argument against crypto is a false one 21:04:26 Because before chatgpt it was "oh no crypto is ruining the environment" but AI is just generally accepted by all those same people becuase it's "useful" to them 21:05:05 you have managers who are pleased by the level of slop that AI generates 21:05:09 enough so that they lay off people 21:05:17 it is a net-negative all around 21:09:38 moneromoooo: I think a lot are in shock that you aren't a righty. 21:11:04 I think a lot of newcomers are often surprised at the 'politically left' (whatever that means) leaning 'boomers'. 21:13:16 left, right, everyone uses money. Money shouldn't be political. 21:19:54 Well, money is inherently political; I think you meant "money shouldn't have sides" ;) 21:21:44 Yeah, you might have worded it better