02:52:41 I mean yeah I'm leftist too. 02:52:59 My ideal world wouldn't really have currency. But eh if you need a currency something like monero is better than the alternatives 02:53:49 But my ideal economic system would still be partially market based just not have money.(It'd be a mix of some other market based system + a gift economy + other stuff idrc) 02:55:57 My main thought in regards to currency is it suppresses the exchange of goods and services between individuals who do not already have currency. And thus tends towards centeralization(via this any other mechanisms) 02:57:18 I.e, 2 people who are broke cannot easily engage in a mutually benifical exchange in a way that gives them access to the rest of the economy without currency. Even if they can exchange resources of labor in a way that benifits the economy 02:58:05 One idea I have would basically be allowing anyone to mint their own currency in a limited, constrained way. 02:59:19 So if say, Bob does 3 hours of work for alice, alice can mint 3 laborcoins to give the bob, backed by the work bob did. And some trusted 3rd parties(these could be like stakeholders in other cryptos) would come and verify useful work was being done. 02:59:30 But I dunno this could be incoherent 03:02:18 Wait, if alice mints too many tokens, than hers will just become worthless i think 03:02:22 maybe it's self regulating 03:02:24 idk 03:03:31 Crypto in theory sorta has a solution to this(letting people mine currency)(especially monero becaue no limit on the number of monero that can be created). But in practice this tends to either not be viable at all, not be tied to any actual useful work, tend towards centeralization, or some combination of all 3 03:14:51 https://blocks.p2pool.observer/ now shows when Tari blocks have been merge mined (and shows a link in the block page to view merge mined block) https://irc.gammaspectra.live/e41d34f0a348a173/image.png + example https://blocks.p2pool.observer/block/5fde6cf7ae1eba8c9f7b2e762ff8a393b4a3d05ab35531bf759e5c1b320eddd0 06:18:41

https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/KgBLyeYUUQXgvMJhrEBtvEuF.png (image.png) > <@syntheticbird> et sinon le titre en haut de ton ecran c est pour les chiens? 06:18:43

:)) 06:58:05 @galaxy-nova:matrix.org: the matrix experience 07:53:02 when mining how do i know what node to use? 07:53:08 im not sure if i should use mini or nano 07:56:49 Ideally, there should be some recommendations to find to how choose primarily based on the hashrate that you have 07:58:26 my hashrate is 4.321 kH/s 07:58:35 i think 07:58:40 if i read the status correctly 07:59:00 Your hashrate (pool-side) = 4.321 kH/s 07:59:17 is what i got when i checked 08:02:38 so what chain should i use? 08:39:35 @galaxy-nova:matrix.org: alright i'm sorry 10:22:27 Meanwhile https://x.com/c___f___b/status/1968195867770552507 10:22:27 > The level of incompetence in https://github.com/WeebDataHoarder/Monero-Timeline-Sep14 is baffling. Or the author lied. I invite him to an open debate on X. 10:25:05 lol 10:25:27 CFB is bluffing 10:27:33 i don't trust people that don't have anime profile pictures or anime-related stuff on their profiles, simple as 10:27:46 i like how his grifters are being dumb in the replies as usual 10:28:44 well, if "X, The Everything App" was a place known for having real people, useful information and actual discussion, we'd probably know by now 10:28:52 CFB just fucked up about 100 or so transactions, and he's backpedalling hard because now he's known as an attacker who is negatively harming the blockchain 10:31:24 DataHoarder: when you say "permanently", do you mean the users will always have a bad selection of decoys? 10:32:23 unless they're able to reuse the same decoys, if they try to make a transaction again, the real source will be obvious 10:34:06 but is it really permanent? 10:36:45 well, how would that eventually change? 10:36:54 if you sweep the outputs to another wallet? 10:37:27 it probably would help, but you still have reduced privacy 10:37:37 the problem is you have to be aware that you need to do that 10:40:42 i wonder how this wll change in FCMP++ 10:41:10 can't wait for FCMP++ :) 10:43:21 Cindy: that transaction permanently hurts their privacy 10:43:29 Decoys after are fine 10:43:45 it's them having to do the selection again that hurts them permanently due to doing them 10:44:34 It's similar to the RingDB usage across monero forks https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/8234/what-does-rings-used-by-outputs-spent-on-monero-on-a-key-reusing-chain-mean 10:44:54 In this case there's effectively no RingDB for you when making the transaction anew 10:45:17 cleared ringDB? 10:45:28 It is very likely the true spend will be revealed for each used input 10:45:38 do they just have to wait for new transactions? 10:45:48 so they can fill their ringDB back with new outputs? 10:45:59 no, ringdb tracks spends 10:46:33 Say you spent previous output X as input Y, this input Y has a set of decoys. This selection is stored in ringDB 10:46:59 ahhh 10:47:03 i see 10:47:15 You go to another fork that still has output X, and want to spend it as input Y'. The key image will be the same, so you look it up in RingDB, and attempt to use the same decoys as stored (As much as possible) 10:47:37 In this case - Monero does not get to store RingDB data for usage by the wallet 10:47:51 The reorg explicitly broke that link by invalidating the transaction. 10:48:28 This is why this privacy damage would be permanent once the input is spent on a new transaction, with the same key image as one of the invalidated transactions 10:49:00 what is stopping someone from sending a tiny amount of monero to a new wallet, send it back from that wallet 10:49:21 and the decoys after being fine? 10:49:59 It is only a problem for the inputs used within the invalidated transactions 10:50:12 oh 10:50:12 This allows linkage 10:57:47 Added P2Pool mini witnesses https://github.com/WeebDataHoarder/Monero-Timeline-Sep14 as well, and clarified the privacy loss as being due to missing RingDB decoy selection data Cindy ^ 11:04:57 thanks! 11:47:36 > > The level of incompetence in https://github.com/WeebDataHoarder/Monero-Timeline-Sep14 is baffling. Or the author lied. I invite him to an open debate on X. 11:47:36 FAKE FAKE FAKE! Who should we believe? Qubic, a project that mines other blockchains, burns its own supply, and trains AGI in real time. Or, $XMR, with the incompetent "analysts" like Monero developer DataHoarder and xenumonero 11:47:46 2026 is for Qubic 🙌 11:48:32 You’ll ignore Qubic because it’s not ''trending'' yet. You’ll ignore it because it doesn’t fit your attention span. Then you’ll regret it when the only entry left is at a $50B market cap. And by then? People like me will already be gone with your money 11:48:38 They are at it again plowsof ^ 11:49:02 Scared to debate CFB? 11:49:39 Monero developers operate in the shadows and don’t speak the truth! 11:49:53 13:02:50 Fuck X. That said I joined their Discord weeks ago but before I could click verify the account was quarantined. Was doing that to post the weekly block counts (which I think are relevant for them as well, good data for them) 11:49:53 13:04:43 I can debate my interpretation at the start, but the data is hard data provable by any monero node at that time, both blocks and transactions. (plus the Tari witnesses, and P2Pool witnesses) 11:50:06 Banning innocent Qubic community members shows how dishonest you are 🙅🙅 11:50:26 DataHoarder What is your Discord username? 11:50:31 So yeah, was never allowed to join their discord either to provide accurate block count listings either 11:50:53 it is weebdatahoarder 11:51:07 No > <@aigarth:matrix.org> Scared to debate CFB? 11:51:24 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Do you want to join the debate? 11:51:24 It was probably automated quarantine. But yeah no staff there can be contacted while quarantined 11:51:54 I will not debate the data, that's hard verifiable data. Also fuck voice. 11:51:55 tell CFB to join this room 11:52:05 this channel is publicly logged 11:52:13 DataHoarder: I will ask staff to fix your issue 🕵️ 👍️ Qubic is honest 11:52:15 and he can join through IRC 11:52:28 Cindy: Discord is safer for Satoshi 11:52:32 IRC exposes Satoshi's IP 11:52:41 Use tor 11:52:46 ^ 11:52:50 i connect to libera through tor 11:53:01 also satoshi? loool 11:53:07 irrelevant of that, anyhow. 11:53:09 are you one of the trolls he hired again 11:53:20 what happened to that kid yesterday, did he get fired? 11:53:23 13:21:43 yeah or anyone with a node still running from that day can just run alt_chain_info and see 18 blocks long, from height 3499659 (2347 deep), diff 510191663980291508: 9489923b1773c2575e3320b84357e451b2dc625ba1cb9d2f4d6c352689c5ac7d 11:54:23 2026 is for Qubic.. to die 11:54:32 just like the rest of the shitcoins 11:54:33 Satoshi spoke about the issue with IRC on Discord. Satoshi said IRC is a honeypot maintained by Monero developers as you can only connect to IRC (Libera) if you made an account without TOR 🫢 😮 > i connect to libera through tor 11:54:53 Cindy: What kid? Qubic is for adults! 11:54:54 @aigarth:matrix.org: Matrix 11:55:01 Youre here, arent you? 11:55:01 matrix 11:55:19 "Qubic is for adults!" spoken like a 9 year old 11:55:43 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: No voice call in Matrix 11:55:55 But who wants unlogged voice call 11:55:57 Yes there is 11:55:57 why do you want voice call 11:56:00 Text stays. 11:56:04 voice calls do not get logged 11:56:13 he can type in chat 11:56:20 Good for posting block ids, rather than spelling block ids verbally :) 11:56:23 It will be recorded by the Qubic community 11:56:31 Can record a voice call 11:56:39 maybe he's illiterate though 11:56:41 Thousands of Qubic community members will be watching 👍️👌 11:56:55 okay, then watch text chat? 11:56:59 because DataHoarder is on IRC :P 11:57:04 and there's no voice chat for IRC 11:57:07 @aigarth:matrix.org: how do you watch a voice call? 11:57:11 I am on discord, but als text only 11:57:32 But as said. No voice call/live debating. I despise those kind of podcasts. The "lies" claims are trying to disprove the hard data or my text/interpretation? 11:57:37 aigarth: stop treating CFB like he's packgod or some shit 11:57:44 about to roast monero devs 11:57:47 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Satoshi uses his camera to prove he is not Aigarth 🤣 11:57:58 we can have a convo in text 11:58:16 Sorry no 😠 11:58:23 why :P 11:58:25 CFB is Nicolas van Saberhagen too do you have no respect? 11:58:30 as for the Discord profile - it has verified connections to p2pool.observer / and WeebDataHoarder in github 11:58:31 Youll have to sign up for my onlyfans, if you want video 11:58:35 CFB is a Monero developer! 11:58:38 so you can verify it's that person 11:58:39 i have no respect because he pretends to be eveyone 11:58:46 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: you can't just say that and not share the link 11:58:48 he is a con artist 11:59:22 DataHoarder: discord doesn't get logged 11:59:25 do not fall for it 11:59:26 aware 11:59:31 @helene:unredacted.org: Waiting for my creator account to be approved 11:59:57 Discord allows call recordings and the calls are encrypted 12:00:04 But they might be interesting in full block counts such as these Cindy https://irc.gammaspectra.live/2990a5684cf1c5a5/qubic-blocks-epoch177.csv 12:00:11 Discord call is safe to debate 👍️ 12:00:17 instead of paying 4000 USDT to an analyst, this is provided for free 12:00:25 you mean less people can actually watch the voice call? :P 12:00:28 Discord calls go via Discord centralized part :P 12:00:43 Thousands of Qubic members will join 12:00:48 in this channel, everyone can watch the convo through the IRC logger site 12:00:56 No one from Qubic is here. I'm just a kind fan 12:00:57 Cindy: How do you watch a voice call 12:01:07 tell them to join this channel then 12:01:28 DataHoarder: oh no, you're gonna make CFB cry 12:01:29 One of our innocent fans got banned we cannot trust Monero channels 12:01:35 why do we keep entertaining those idiots? 12:01:37 😶 12:02:01 aigarth: you literally cannot ban people from reading the publicly-available real-time logs of this channel 12:02:06 @helene:unredacted.org: 👋 12:02:16 we only ban people if they are annoying trolls.... like you are being right now :P 12:02:23 this is #monero not #please-pay-attention-to-qubic 12:02:27 CFB has already been banned 12:02:28 so maybe don't be annoying 12:02:32 Maybe GitHub issues is the place to talk :D 12:03:09 nah CFB won't argue 12:03:17 I will not do live voice, again. But hey, I can explain any specific section that is unclear, wrong, or doesn't have a proof, as I have done in this channel and others. 12:03:19 he wants to act like packgod or some shit 12:03:26 that's why he wants voice call lol 12:04:31 DataHoarder: if they cared, they'd actually read what you're saying, and ask genuine questions. They show no interest in doing this; you'll just waste time, and they'll try to degrade you in any way they can. Their interest is social, not factual 12:04:58 the grifters are only there for the price 12:05:05 they do not actually care about qubic long-term 12:05:10 if they cared about something they wouldn't just keep barging in with alts exclusively to be annoying 12:05:49 you are allowed to tell people to just fuck off sometimes, it's really okay to do :p 12:06:06 CFB acts like people care about his shitcoin 12:06:08

or would have provided a rebuttal in his tweet about DataHoarder, which said nothing more than "nuh uh" - not really a very convincing argument :) 12:06:23 indeed :) 12:06:41 nuh-uh this is all incorrect for a reason i cannot explain 12:06:49

the fall in obscurity and disrepute is the most painful experience for a narcissist I think 12:06:50 this wouldn't be an exchange, this would just be "i can talk louder than you therefore i am right" 12:06:53 i did not do the reorg and invalidate 112 transactions 12:07:48 It never happened 12:08:03 CFB is acting like bill clinton rn 12:08:25 "i did not invalidate 112 transactions, monero" 12:10:42

starved for attention, reminded of how it felt when mommy or daddy didn't love him :( 12:11:11 maybe that's why he likes to hire trolls who try to make people believe that he's satoshi 12:11:44 CfB has also specifically quoted our IRC conversations from #monero-research-lounge after becoming aware of the damage any 10+ attempt would do on September 1st https://irc.gammaspectra.live/d7cfad5f3e1bdbac/cfb_goi_tech.png yet still went to attempt it. 12:12:28 oh daaaamn 12:12:37 CFB got nowhere to run lol 12:13:01

coming with the receipts :) 12:13:03 This was also tested on testnet, and showed the same invalidated transaction behavior 12:13:20 This was also discussed even further after this 12:13:24

yeah I saw that being discussed too 12:13:41 now CFB can't pretend that he did NOT know that this would happen 12:13:49 well. Discord messages can be deleted 12:14:35

I'm sure they do wish to test their botnet ddos against centralized checkpoint infra 12:15:42 the checkpoints are stored in DNS 12:15:52 as TXT records, i think 12:16:02 it's not that easy to DDoS 12:16:07

yeah 12:16:35 He dying from negative fallout of being labelled malicious parasite and his dopey claim we all AI our screenshots of monerod logs is ridiculous what advantage do we gain by faking a claim of 18 block reorg 12:16:49

the idea I saw them forward the other day was to ddos nodes with checkpoint-enabled, not sure if that was just some rando or what talking 12:17:44 but that would be less of a fair play and more of a cyber-crime 12:17:51 the miners supposedly would enable this before they are deployed, so they'd have to ddos mining pool infrastructure 12:18:27

well when you have a hammer (botnet operator) everything probably looks like a nail 12:18:31 would p2pool miners be vulnerable 12:18:41 privacyx: i don't think so 12:18:54 given if the miners host a node themselves 12:19:04 yeap 12:19:05 p2pool miners can mine through tor, as well 12:19:21 you could have a few public monero nodes behind tor 12:19:26 ddos efficiency goes down as the set of ips goes up 12:19:30 and also using tor's PoW defense 12:19:39

yeah my p2pool and node is through tor 12:20:06 note even if they unpeer p2pool peers from each other they'd still be mining on their own, so the effective hashrate is the same 12:20:16 As old p2pool show https://old-old.p2pool.observer/ 12:20:20 does affect latency for mining going through tor 12:20:27 they run old p2pool versions yet still mine on their own 12:20:41 https://old-mini.p2pool.observer/ 12:20:49 https://old.p2pool.observer/ 12:21:22 will the monero devs make the checkpoints opt-in by default? 12:21:27 observer is irrelevant here too, it's just looking at the p2pool network 12:21:40 Cindy: the consensus has been opt-out by default, no change 12:21:44 i see 12:21:48 but not disabled, nodes will warn 12:21:54 (but not act on checkpoints) 12:22:12 Current patchset is on https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/10075 12:22:15 i think we should host more tor monero nodes 12:22:17 but like 12:22:20 enable tor's PoW 12:22:35 so that CFB would have a harder time DDoSing :P 12:30:04 Cindy: What ddos? 12:30:54

it was just something some troll was saying yesterday in the monero discord re:dns-checkpoints 12:31:55

and cfb in that screenshot above mentioend looking for ways to counter checkpoints 12:32:15 he can't counter checkpoints :P 12:33:08 Cindy: He has countered imaginary things, he is a retard with retard following 12:33:15 yes, the more monero nodes behind tor the better, for multiple reasons 12:33:19

i mean that's kinda the point of centralization. plus he's already a PoS stooge. imo the centralization pressure is the attack, but that's another story :) 12:33:47 @kill-switch:matrix.org: He now has 10k xmr so he will push for pos 12:34:21 i mean 12:34:27 he only published his view key, not spend key 12:34:36 we don't know if he actually spent all those xmr 12:37:20 Cindy: he published the spend key for one epoch 12:37:26 not the others, ofc 12:37:41 And he could just move the XMR to a different undisclosed wallet, so it's not relevant 12:37:57 They provide proof of burning Qubic when they do 12:38:06 loosely matches the expected amount 12:38:35 CFB will pay ISPs to intercept DNS requests to the monero pulse domains 12:38:38 (exchange fees/tx fees etc, exchange pricing differences) 12:39:20 Staff from Qubic said you will stay banned for spreading false information and banning innocent users on Monero channels. If you want to debate CFB, you can debate on X! Qubic does not want battle. We want to be friends and peaceful ❤️ 🏩 12:39:37 I don't have mod ops on Monero discord 12:39:37 that is an extremely long username 12:39:43 Cindy: he'd have to pay Cloudflare or higher because of DNSSEC :) 12:39:52

lol 12:39:53 I can't ban anyone there lol, nor here 12:40:07 I don't have op powers except on #p2pool-log channel which is P2Pool related 12:40:14 what the fuck is a Blue Luna Erick Data Hoarder Qubic 12:40:28 https://github.com/blueluna 12:40:47 CFB told us this is DataHoarder. He is Satoshi smart 12:40:55 oh no. you are now resorting to this 12:41:08 can we ban this idiot already? 12:41:10 Banhammer Bahammer 😱 12:41:17 We told you we want peace :trollface: 12:41:19 lol 12:41:28 Cindy no, don't react! 12:41:32 😂 12:41:34 you pull up a random github account and say "this is datahoarder" 12:41:39 very satoshi smart 12:41:42 Now you are public debate CFB! 12:41:59 Well, at least you can get the weekly block counts CSV via logs on monerologs :) 12:42:12 CFB knows and we trust him 12:42:19 and post these yourself if qubic cares about getting the full count directly (so their numbers look good) 12:42:34 if CFB told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it? 12:42:59 DataHoarder: CFB said this is fake information. We asked Aigarth and it confirmed fake 👇️ ⁉️ 12:43:13 for what reason 12:43:17 Aigarth can't even count to 3 12:43:20 shut the fuck up 12:43:20 But it literally lists the exact amount dkat posts on your Discord each week 12:43:27 so you saying dkat numbers are fake? 12:43:29 @eddie:oblak.be: Aigarth is learning fast 12:43:38 All I'm doing is proving dkat numbers are correct. 12:43:44 Interesting. 12:43:56 where does CFB gets his trolls from 12:44:00 Where is the proof? 12:44:00 they're all mentally-impaired 12:44:07 @bluelunaerickdatahoarderqubic:matrix.org: he can now count to 4? 12:44:11 https://irc.gammaspectra.live/2990a5684cf1c5a5/qubic-blocks-epoch177.csv 12:44:16