00:20:24 Added https://blocks.p2pool.observer/proofs that explains more about Miner Proof Verification plus information for any pools that want to opt-in/disclose proof methods 00:55:05 (and can't remember if it was here, site now locally hosts all its assets including CSS/fonts) 00:55:19 no javascript still, ofc. Even dropdowns done with pure CSS 00:55:24 bootstrap 00:55:55 bootstrap requires javascript for its navbar collapse and dropdown menus to work :) 00:56:07 but you can tinker a bit ... 08:29:34 i actually learnt that EU's legislation not only bans "anonymity-enhancing coins", it also allows the EU to IP block decentralized exchanges 08:29:58 i wonder how they'll block haveno 08:30:13 we call it the EUSSR 08:32:27 also they target crowdfunding services 08:32:37 (basically like kuno or gofundme) 08:33:19 especially crowdfunding services that accept cryptocurrencies :P 08:34:30 well, is it surprising from a bunch of countries that treat their inhabitants as terrorists? :P 08:36:27 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=OJ%3AL_202401624 08:36:35 i don't know where kuno is hosted but like 08:36:45 if they're hosted in the EU, they better move before they get seized in 2027 lol 08:39:13 helene: not surprised, EU sucks 09:16:45 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> Cindy: pools are next 09:16:58 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> theyre financial providers 09:17:08 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> rip xmr ;-; 09:17:09 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> we're all gon die 09:24:03 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> set up a grave for xmr on 20261231 09:30:06 charlie lee says this is only the begging for crypto 09:30:12 we are at the begging 09:30:19 so stop being depressive 09:30:38 charlie lee litecoin founder 09:33:28 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> o 09:33:36 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> ok 09:33:37 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> +1 happi 12:13:45 > it also allows the EU to IP block decentralized exchanges 12:13:58 can you reference where you think AMLR allows that? 12:18:00 AMLR does seem to cover crowdfunding platforms (gofundme, etc) and crowdfunding intermediaries (kuno, etc). << it is not clear whether the CCS is an obliged entity. this was raised as a potential threat sometime ago. 12:18:50 Cindy: ^^ 12:22:15 midipoet: maybe i misread :P 12:28:24 for anyone interested in the crowdfunding bits, it starts in Recitals 16 and 17, and then into Articles 2 (definitions) and 3 (obliged entities), and further 12:29:02 should getmonero.org be hosted outside of EU? 12:29:28 it wouldn't ultimately matter, as it "serves" EU based persons/entities. 12:29:44 i suppose we could restrict all EU based entities from engaging. that might work as a short term measure 12:29:52 oh i see 12:30:09 so we could just ban someone if we suspect that they're from the EU 12:30:20 Article 19 (due diligence measures) are probably the most problematic for CCS (aside from the reporting obligations). 12:30:28 > so we could just ban someone if we suspect that they're from the EU 12:30:40 yes - but you'd have to ban the proposer and the funder 12:30:46 so no donations from Europe either 12:31:26 honestly though - i don't think the AMLR is gonna come after the CCS 12:31:38 they have other things to be worrying about 12:31:47 ^^ that's my hot take on the matter 12:56:37 midipoet: what about kuno? 13:05:55 Is there any way of contact to author of a recent summary? When I check on profile, Reddit returns 404 error: 13:05:55 https://reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1nk30ad/monero_exchange_ecosystem_update_for_september/ 13:05:55 https://reddit.com/user/MasteringMonero 13:06:57 https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=MasteringMonero&subject= 13:07:17 no selfish mining from qubic in their past marathon 13:07:26 Sadly I have no account on Reddit, it is difficult to use through Tor... 13:07:49 Is this the author of MasteringMonero https://masteringmonero.com/? 13:09:34 Yes, serhack 16:35:38 has there been any new monero ATM builds? 16:36:22 cryptocurrency ATMs are still a thing?? 16:36:40 ues 16:39:00 why wouldn't they be? 16:40:11 https://xcancel.com/vxunderground/status/1970497503477817437 16:40:58 who tf uses a docker container for qbittorret 16:41:19 also btw, it's easy to detect a XMR miner 16:41:40 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45345233 (already flagged) 16:42:19 HashVault has provided view wallet information so their blocks are instantly verified on the blocks site :) https://blocks.p2pool.observer/block/36b14a9f02e6af95e6988f11e56f3c6ca83d7756fa52386aeecb26aa74c88a30 16:43:32 Cindy_: 🤭 https://xcancel.com/TrasherDK/status/1970509022970458443 16:44:05 you can detect if a XMR miner is running in a process even if it's heavily obfuscated 16:44:17 by checking if the floating-point rounding mode changes a lot 16:45:07 (of course, processes can emulate floating-point to prevent being detected like this, but they'll lose out on 85%+ of hashrate 16:45:25 2024/2025 is the year of cue bi* 16:46:00 Kewbit 16:46:00 Kewbittorrent 16:46:00 kewbic 16:46:06 i do for namespace reasons (and the machine it runs on doesn't have systemd), but i use the official one lol > who tf uses a docker container for qbittorret 16:46:59 i'm glad they designed RandomX to be easily detectable 16:47:04 btw 16:48:08 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> many deploy qbittorrent, see its docker hub stats 16:48:26 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> one of the most popular homelab docker containers 16:48:34 helene: maybe like use transmission 16:48:39 @aillia:matrix.org: i don't see the link here, people trust distros to build secure environments 16:48:59 transmission gets their official builds and packages hacked, not much better :P 16:49:13 (also supports less features overall nowadays) 16:49:57 i use it because it's easier to use as a daemon 16:50:10 i just use a client that connects to it over a RPC API 16:51:59 i use qbittorrent with the built-in web ui myself, and I give it a SOCKS5 proxy for all connections (for bad technical reasons) 16:52:26 i used to use transmission... more than a decade ago? 16:52:34 i just use wireguard :P 16:52:40 SOCKS5 sucks 16:54:43 Socks5 are useful if you want to route your torrent to another "vpn" 16:54:43 Other than that how do you do, VM? 16:55:15 Because other peer are all on some other variable port so you can't make a rule in the router (that dst-port = that gateway) 16:56:00 yeah, but it's not a good proxy protocol 16:56:12 No for sure it 16:56:21 Cindy_: yeah i would but i get mullvad over tailscale for convenience, i should get another subscription just for that lol since it doesn't matter all that much, it's just to not get funny government letters 16:56:30 it's arkaic but it's like the best proxy protocol 16:56:48 why do you use tailscale 16:57:55 because hand-managed wireguard is cool but annoying after some time, and tailscale's DERPs are useful when you need to bypass weird ISP blocks in some places 16:58:17 you can use wireguard over I2P 16:58:32 but why? 16:58:48 Overkill++ 16:58:50 i could also use Tor for everything... but why? 16:58:59 anything to avoid a SaaS 16:59:29 you can self-host it if you wish; or use the hand-managed wireguard 17:00:27 I2p sometimes don't have clearnet endpoint 17:00:41 i'm just not interested in doing that anymore especially since it's just to like... access my NAS sometimes, and to have basically no administration to do on any of those machines 17:01:01 I2P can anonymize users of your wireguard VPN 17:01:02 and wireguard doesn't give you the convenient ACLs eh :p 17:01:20 and i guess i use it to host a site in a homeserver, but keep the IP of my homeserver a secret from my VPS :P 17:01:26 i2p is pretty awful to run on anything that isn't x86_64 17:01:45 even the C version? 17:01:53 the C++* 17:01:57 the C++ version even more so 17:02:23 i use I2P because it can route over UDP packets 17:02:25 unlike tor 17:02:34 which is important for wireguard 17:02:49 i mean i can see the point, i just don't need that :p 17:02:54 fair :P 17:03:01 consider also that i share my tailscale tailnet with my wife :p 17:03:02 i like to anonymize my homeserver 17:03:09 fair fair 17:03:24 Halo people 17:04:01 hallo 17:04:38 So i just join what is this place 17:05:38 what is your domain 17:07:50 I have no Idea 17:08:04 ah, of course it's porn 17:08:28 Hey, it's only mostly porn. 17:08:41 Oh yeah i joined from coom.st 17:08:44 i've heard more convincing lies from an AI 17:09:00 Wdym 17:09:20 @fartbubbler:matrix.org: A difference of a notable importance 17:09:24 wdym you have no idea especially that the domain you're in, has no matrix registration page 17:09:55 Matrix? Like the movie 17:10:25 yeah 17:10:58 are you the kemono party admin 17:11:00 I love Keanu Reeves he's my favorite actor 17:11:50 Idek what that is 17:12:10 Cindy: that's not the domain... but I believe you have outed yourself as a gooner 17:12:29 I'm a gooner too lol 17:12:37 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> kemono.su spotted!!!! 🦊 17:12:56 oh no i'm a gooner because i know what a pateron piracy site is :P 17:12:59 Yeah lol My url has kemono 17:13:26 I'm new to this world ᵕ᷄≀ ̠ᵕ᷅ 17:13:35 yes, sorry, that's how it works... 17:13:51 sorry i support my artists 17:13:54 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> @knockerupper223:kemono.su: ohh dont worry its just magic internet money 17:14:01 :P 17:14:10 ❀‎ܓ(｡◠ ꇴ ◠｡ ) 17:14:25 I'm happy 17:14:37 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> >^.^< >.> 17:14:55 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> if you are, i am too x33 17:15:03 I love existing peacefully ꈍ◡ꈍ 17:15:24 Omg :3 17:15:33 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> howd you get all those cute faces ^_^ 17:15:42 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> do you just copy paste all of them 17:15:43 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> lmao 17:15:51 i see boxes 17:15:53 I have facemoji keyboard lol 17:15:54 mostly 17:15:57 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> ohh you're an mobile user 17:15:58 ( ꩜ ᯅ ꩜;)⁭ ⁭ 17:16:05 Yeah lol 17:16:11 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> requires unicode fonts. available as noto-fonts-cjk in arch linux 17:16:21 i am on tty 17:16:25 I'm too broke for a pc unfortunately 😔 17:16:41 What's tty 17:16:52 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> sell some kemono commision services on xmrbazaar x3 17:16:57 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> you can draw right 17:17:19 (￣ヘ￣）lol i suck at drawing 17:17:26 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> user is using matrix on their terminal instead of a web browser or desktop app 17:17:29 What's xmrbazaar 17:17:42 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> marketplace where you can sell goods and services for monero 17:17:48 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> the cryptocurrency for the channel ur in 17:17:53 Ohhhh 17:18:27 The clanker currency ᯤ ᯅ ᯤ 17:18:44 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> well, almost everything got atleast one automated trading bot 17:18:56 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> so you can say that for every currency 17:19:28 How can i pull up the xmr thing 17:19:36 Like where is it on mobile 17:19:47 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> download a wallet on your phone called "cake wallet". cool name and icon and design 17:19:53 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> play store / appstore both have it 17:20:19 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> generate new wallet, then write down your seed phrase and keep it secure 17:20:27 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> so you can always restore your wallet in case your phone ded 17:20:33 17lifers: i'm on IRC 17:20:42 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> fk 17:20:44 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> ;-; 17:20:51 you can't tell, but i can tell 17:21:12 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> y-you win 17:21:13 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> well done 17:21:13 also which wallet app is better, monerujo or cakewallet 17:21:14 you didn't notice but your brain did 17:22:47 What's irc 🧐 17:23:04 Cindy_: I have absolutely no experience but i like cakewallet because i love cake 🍰 17:23:13 a protocl older than most people here 17:23:17 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> you prefer 17:23:27 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> mm yes caik 17:23:29 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> nomnom 17:23:34 What is your favorite type of cake 17:23:43 ice cream cake 17:23:44 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> internet relay chat, what happened before matrix and discord. usable with the libera web client, irssi, weechat... 17:24:02 irc is 37 years old rn 17:24:04 Good choice i like those too 17:24:10 i'll be there when it hits 40 17:24:23 Irc more like unc 17:24:38 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> ok download the thing and generate a wallet 17:24:39 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> u on android or ios? 17:24:50 please don't be on iOS 17:25:01 @17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh: Ios 17:25:02 Cindy_: Oh no 17:25:40 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> oh well 17:25:49 I'm scared 17:25:57 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> swipe up, app store, search "cake wallet" 17:25:58 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> nothing will happen 17:25:59 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> <3 17:26:09 What's so wrong with ios tho 🤨 17:26:39 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> its just a mobile operating system. respect people for their choices. 17:26:47 just know that the app devs pay 200 dollars a year for their license 17:27:02 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> well cakewallet owner is rich so no problem 17:27:04 i don't particularly trust the "free" option 17:27:07 ah okay 17:27:12 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> 200/y is nothing for him lol 17:27:42 There are so many currencies 17:27:54 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> XMR is the one you're interested in 17:28:01 Ok 17:28:02 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> it's the ticker symbol of monero 17:28:31 what do I name my wallet? 17:28:39 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> ANONYMOUS MONEY 17:28:45 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> ^^ good idea 17:28:46 it's closed source software > <@knockerupper223:kemono.su> What's so wrong with ios tho 🤨 17:28:49 Okk 17:29:12 What is polyseed 17:29:16 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> @eddie:oblak.be: apple doesn't push malicious updates or anything lol 17:29:29 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> it's a method of measuring space in the 4th dimension 17:29:32 Monfluo > also which wallet app is better, monerujo or cakewallet 17:29:48 17lifers: i mean you can't particularly check if the app is secure or even build the app from source yourself 17:30:01 you're stuck to the verified devs on app store 17:30:07 "verified"* 17:30:07 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> @knockerupper223:kemono.su: 16-word instead of 25-word. you can choose your length for compatibility with older wallet software (like mymonero web) 17:30:31 android too soon 17:30:32 @17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh: it's irrelevant. 17:30:53 you have to trust that the dev didn't sneak in some crap that doesn't exist in the open source branch 17:31:00 because you have no other choice :P 17:31:03 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> sigh 17:31:04 I just said it's closed source, you don't own your device 17:31:07 no f-droid for iOS 17:31:14 anyway i'll stop 17:31:27 it's not disrespecting peoples choices if you're trying to convince them to try something else > <@17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> its just a mobile operating system. respect people for their choices. 17:31:41 I mean i like both ios and Android 17:31:50 A lot of apple users try to convinces others to use apple too 17:31:53 I'm bisexual with my phones 17:31:59 lol 17:32:03 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> lmfao 17:32:06 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> thats one way to put it 17:32:08 there's more than just android and ios .. 17:32:15 Like what 17:32:17 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> sailfish, maemo, postmarketos... 17:32:21 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> but theyre dead 17:32:23 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> lol 17:32:37 Lol. Yeah never heard of them 17:32:37 i'd trust android over iOS especially since i can check the checksums of the app 17:32:41 well you haven't heard of irc 17:32:49 you have some discovering to do 😉 17:33:09 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> welcome to the cool kid club where you learn all the cool 31337 h4x0r stuff 17:33:10 The only reason i main ios is that its more private 17:33:22 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> greatest misconception ever 17:33:25 @knockerupper223:kemono.su what app are you using to chat? 17:33:28 not... really 17:33:32 iOS gets hit with more rootkits 17:33:36 Chrome 17:33:38 https://xcancel.com/coffnix/status/1970537501941989522 (last one, promise :) ) 17:33:41 and apple copes by moving around the goalpost 17:33:50 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> you cant even dowload a packet capture app 17:33:52 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> android can (pcapdroid) 17:33:52 to call themselves "secure" or "priate" 17:33:59 @knockerupper223:kemono.su: chrome only? 17:34:08 I mean i have 13 phones 17:34:17 @basses:matrix.org: Yeah 17:34:18 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> . 17:34:20 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> you meant u have an iphone 13? 17:34:23 @knockerupper223:kemono.su: one for every finger? 17:34:25 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> 13 flip phones? 17:34:26 trolling? 17:34:27