01:01:41 <br-m> <stormyyy:tchncs.de> meowwnero
05:57:09 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> If carrot++ backwards compatible ?
05:57:28 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> @jeffro256:monero.social
05:58:24 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> I mean if users can migrate to such wallet before fcmp++ upgrade goes live
08:03:19 <br-m> <barthman132:matrix.org> @kevino:tchncs.de: Yes carrot is backwards compatible
08:03:19 <br-m> <barthman132:matrix.org> https://x.com/monero/status/1834292929877180697
08:04:23 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @barthman132:matrix.org: I think the question is more "can we create carrot wallets before the hard fork"
08:05:22 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Yea exactly
08:06:59 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> Probably the new features won't work yet.  But if someone wants to create a cold storage or hardware wallet, they could start using it if possible
11:04:39 <nioc> speaking about Carrot let me try again.... https://github.com/hbs/MoneroMisc/blob/master/CARROT-discussion.md
11:14:49 <br-m> <321bob321> Let me see your in and out of wallet your sending the xmr too
11:17:00 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> nioc: what is this, tldr ?
11:19:41 <nioc> a suggestion for Carrot implementation that will arguably give better privacy 
11:19:50 <nioc> now read it  lol
11:22:50 <nioc> needs support for it to happen
12:23:24 <br-m> <usermame0001:matrix.org> can anyone recommend a way to swap bnb to xmr thats not a scam, I tried looking online but like 80% of the comments are scammers
12:26:05 <Sindy> usermame001: swap BNB to LTC
12:26:07 <Sindy> then swap LTC to XMR
12:27:51 <br-m> <usermame0001:matrix.org> yeah that seems like the way, propably with retoswap or traveno for no kyc or anything better ?Thanks for the reply!
12:33:54 <br-m> <monero.arbo:matrix.org> I'm confused --- there seem to be plenty of options on trocador for going straight from BNB to XMR
12:34:01 <nssy> Guess xmr is about to break $400
12:34:23 <Sindy> no price talk here pls
12:40:12 <br-m> <usermame0001:matrix.org> @monero.arbo:matrix.org: True I just saw it, if the listed exchanges are good and actually dont kyc according to their rating on there that should be easy then
15:52:39 <br-m> <jeffro256> You could, there's nothing technically stopping you, but you wouldn't be able to spend any XMR you receive in those addresses until the FCMP++ fork. > <@kevino:tchncs.de> I mean if users can migrate to such wallet before fcmp++ upgrade goes live
15:53:38 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> Ohh i see thanks
15:53:50 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> So its better usable after hard fork i guess
15:54:21 <br-m> <jeffro256> In other words, the Carrot key derivation scheme is not backwards compatible with the current consensus protocol, but the Carrot addressing protocol is backwards compatible with current address derivation
15:54:53 <br-m> <jeffro256> So there's no need to update to a Carrot keyed wallet, unless you want the features, but the Carrot keyed wallets won't be usable until FCMP++
15:58:00 <br-m> <jeffro256> And as of yet (I'm the one writing it), the reference code is not going to support scanning/spending XMR in legacy outputs which was sent to a Carrot keyed wallet address. But perhaps if there is a widespread desire for people to front-load Carrot keyed wallets and start receiving XMR to them before the fork, then I could definitely write the code to support that 
16:00:14 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> Won't be useful if we can only receve but not spend
16:01:02 <br-m> <kevino:tchncs.de> Thanks for clarification 👍🏻
17:03:40 <binaryFate> Hey everyone, binaries for the latest version v0.18.4.3 are now available at getmonero.org
17:56:17 <nioc> Highly recommended release that enhances protection against spy nodes when using a local node. <<>> how?
18:09:09 <binaryFate> nioc: I'm sure more info will be available soon
18:14:38 <selsta> nioc: if you mean for GUI, the spy node protection is for using local monerod
18:15:12 <selsta> I wasn't sure how to explain it that it does not protect you from connection to a malicous remote node
18:15:41 <nioc> selsta: comment on the site did not mention GUI, does this pertain to CLI as well?
18:15:55 <selsta> can you link to where you are reading this?
18:16:21 <nioc> https://www.getmonero.org/blog/tags/releases.html
18:16:43 <selsta> it's under the GUI release notes
18:16:46 <selsta> and also CLI release notes
18:17:00 <selsta> since both contain the new monerod version
18:17:56 <nioc> clicked on (release notes) here > https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#cli
18:18:28 <selsta> I don't know, it looks correct on my side
18:19:05 <nioc> was just curious what the improvement was  :)
18:19:22 <selsta> most spy nodes are on a similar IP address
18:19:29 <Sindy_> ooooh
18:19:32 <Sindy_> is it that PR that like
18:19:41 <Sindy_> refuses to disconnect to a node if it's in a similar IP range
18:19:48 <Sindy_> to another one
18:19:50 <nioc> I currently use the blocklist 
18:19:50 <Sindy_> i think /16?
18:19:53 <selsta> I don't know if refuses or deprioritizes
18:20:03 <selsta> for /24 subnet
18:43:19 <br-m> <rbrunner7> The new peer selection does not refuse to connect. It just selects new peers in a way that lowers the chance of a "spy node" to become the next new one considerably.
18:44:01 <br-m> <rbrunner7> It does indeed rely on the fact that those spy nodes currently crowd into a quite small number of subnets.
18:46:27 <nioc> rbrunner7 is what was included the pr you worked on? 
18:47:35 <br-m> <rbrunner7> Yes :)
18:48:15 <br-m> <rbrunner7> First code from me into an update for quite a long time
18:49:15 <br-m> <rbrunner7> Half of the credit goes to Rucknium who guided me
19:32:35 <br-m> <rucknium> nioc , Sindy_ Here is the PR: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/9939 and the research that supports it: https://github.com/Rucknium/misc-research/blob/main/Monero-Peer-Subnet-Deduplication/pdf/monero-peer-subnet-deduplication.pdf
20:19:35 <br-m> <ravfx:xmr.mx> What is that supercop thing? Required or no to build monerod?
20:21:10 <Sindy> supercop has assembly optimizations for ed25519 in it
20:21:12 <Sindy> i think
20:54:43 <jpk68> Only for x86_64 though
22:24:44 <br-m> <privacyx> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/JykuXOBPGYAAyRZOsmSVhXAm.png (Screenshot 2025-10-10 083726.png)
22:24:55 <br-m> <privacyx> Anyone notice this?
22:25:20 <Sindy> it's a bug
22:25:29 <Sindy> related to pool attribution
22:30:31 <br-m> <privacyx> I thought that might be the case
22:40:50 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> looks like zcash
22:47:15 <ArsenyTarkovsky> I wonder why there is no monero listed on miningpoolstats https://kappa.lol/C8jDNP
22:47:25 <ArsenyTarkovsky> I noticed it yesterday
22:51:34 <nioc> hmmm
22:52:04 <Sindy> they probably noticed it and delisted monero temporarily
22:52:09 <Sindy> while they fix the crappy graph
22:53:45 <br-m> <torir:matrix.org> Monero is currently 566 in the list of coins. Below Monero Classic, MoneroV, Grin, and Tari.
22:54:11 <nioc> I can still access the monero page via bookmark and yes the graph is still messed up