00:04:24 selsta: no 00:13:40 @ravfx:xmr.mx: Usually that you dont have any outgoing connections 00:15:33 You can only stem to nodes that have incoming connections, so if you dont have outgoing connections, it will print that msg when you are trying to step. You can make it print by setting out peers to 0, then sending a tx using your rpc 00:19:56 @ofrnxmr: I see, thanks 00:20:04 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/xmr.mx/YHMDvnyPfTuifllElgidNAjF.png (clipboard.png) 00:48:40 Does that lower the privacy of users, yes or no? 00:48:40 It did only append one time after I updated to 0.18.4.3, about 2Hr after it was online, and some unknows amount of time before (I did not count) 00:59:21 afaik, it either fluffs or it waits and tries to stem again later 00:59:42 I think the former 01:06:15 Can anyone provide an estimate of when these features will be complete on the mainnet? 01:06:15 1. FCMP++ and CARROT 01:06:15 2. The hbs frontend swap 01:06:15 3. Serai 01:47:55 you guys have any way to pay grocery stores or similar using crypto or self custody wallets? 01:47:55 I saw a guy once that payed his grocery bills using a ring, and he told me that was using crypto and xmr being privately exchanged in a DEX, now im curious. 02:06:22 @edreiestrada:matrix.org: What kinda ring? 02:19:49 tangem ring any rfid ring like RFID / NFC Smart Ring - Size 9 - NTAG213 02:20:13 it works like a credit card, if you set it up, and it oculd be a hot wallet, or cold, it depends whatever you want to do with that 05:16:32 TBH I feel like using crypto in the real world is gimmicky and pointless. There's a much better option, more untraceable under proper use option that requires no energy. It's when it's not available or similarly impractical (cash by mail) that crypto shines. 06:17:13 So basically if you not buying candy, vpn or vps, cash is still king? 06:23:30 I've never seen a VPS payable with cash. Only some VPN providers (and even then it's cash by mail, which is illegal in some places). 06:23:53 Basically, imo, absolutely yes. If you can receive the product fac to face, cash is always king. 06:28:52 cash in the mail is illegal where? 06:37:25 In my country it's illegal 06:56:09 @namenet:matrix.org: Does no one know??????? 06:56:42 IM the supervisor 06:56:56 get in the taxi # 06:58:50 how to enforce cash in envelop = a bitta time behind a door in the big boys club? xray lol foiled again 06:59:49 BlueyHealer: should be more direct... obvs not south america or commonwealth .... u in best korea buddy? 07:07:12 no idea about SK laws 07:30:45 BlueyHealer: which country is that? 12:06:04 Hi all, I should be in the correct room ; if not, let me know. I use Feather with a ledger. I was wondering, if I lose the ledger, can I restore my wallet in Feather without having to buy a new ledger ? If yes, how should I proceed ? 12:06:43 you should have the seed phrase 12:08:13 Only if you made a backup of seeds 12:09:44 I have the recovery phrase. It's used on ledger to recover access to all the wallets (monero and other ccryptos) 12:21:22 @kevino:tchncs.de: Thanks. So will Feather recognize my recovery phrase / "master key" (created by the ledger device) or do I previously need to "derive" my monero seed / private key from this master key ? And how ? 12:38:48 thewhiterabiit_: you can try to import the seed phrase 12:38:50 into feather 12:39:00 and match the public key with the one on your ledger 13:15:06 Sindy: Just had a look at the restore wallet from seed function in Feather. On the next screen I get Select seed type 14 / 16 / 25 word mnemonic seed. So I guess this avenue is out. I'll ask my question to the Feather team directly. 13:15:33 how many words does your phrase have 13:16:38 Sindy: 24 13:18:07 i'm guessing it's missing the checksum word 13:18:57 you could select the 25 word option and cycle through the available words until it validates 13:20:12 Sindy: to my understanding, ledger generates a master seed from which it derives all the private keys (for several crypto wallets) but Feather is expecting a monero seed. 13:20:51 welp 13:20:58 you have to figure out the derivation algorithm 13:21:01 for your ledger 13:21:10 each hardware wallet has their own algorithm 13:23:55 @thewhiterabbit_:matrix.org: You have option to import 14 word , 16 world and 25 word seed in feather 13:29:52 @thewhiterabbit_:matrix.org idk if such tool exists 13:30:25 Apparently there is seed convertor tool by ledger 13:30:43 https://www.ledger.com/blog/understanding-crypto-addresses-and-derivation-paths 13:31:41 Can't send media in this room 13:32:33 https://github.com/LedgerHQ/app-monero/tree/master/tools/python 13:32:54 https://support.ledger.com/article/360006352934-zd 13:39:50 @kevino:tchncs.de: Awweome. You found the right answer. Thanks 🙏🏼 13:39:50 https://github.com/LedgerHQ/app-monero/tree/master/tools/python 14:20:39 > <@thewhiterabbit_:matrix.org> Hi all, I should be in the correct room ; if not, let me know. I use Feather with a ledger. I was wondering, if I lose the ledger, can I restore my wallet in Feather without having to buy a new ledger ? If yes, how should I proceed ? 14:20:39 There is a utility by ledger to generate the 25 words Monero seed for a Monero account: https://github.com/LedgerHQ/app-monero/blob/master/tools/python/README.md 14:54:11 @hbs:matrix.org: Yes I finally managed to find it. Thanks 15:39:29 wtf is this? 15:39:31 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/oblak.be/cIClyoQzfFtfulONPGwXsirr.png (image.png) 15:40:24 its the 101% attack where they disable the api on mining pool stats 15:40:25 website broken? 15:40:38 indeed, this is accurate https://blocks.p2pool.observer/ 15:40:49 damn hope someone can fix it 15:41:30 the graph looks like when monero's algorithm got cracked by ASIC companies 15:41:36 is that what happened 15:41:44 is randomX weak now? ;_; 15:41:58 @plowsof:matrix.org: is starting to look really beautiful 15:46:34 @eddie:oblak.be: Unfixable, unfortuntely 15:47:04 Switch to zanocash 15:47:12 guys 15:47:17 monero is compromised 15:47:23 the hashrate s taken up by asic 15:48:09 Bitmain my beloved have done it again 15:48:26 Looking forward to buying one after they "test" it for a year or so 15:58:50 Not an asic, it's just Cat using her abacus 15:59:35 wasn't the "ASIC" they created just barely faster than a normal computer? 16:03:20 it was 6 computers in a box 16:03:37 I dont think was faster than the sum of its parts 21:10:33 I want to talk about monero with people, but I haven't found a XMR active community 21:10:40 do you guys know any? 21:12:51 hi tromp 21:13:46 Depend what your looking for @edreiestrada:matrix.org 21:13:46 #monero-offtopic:monero.social 21:13:46 #hackfreedomspace:digitalprivacy.diy 21:14:45 Thanks Rav 21:49:31 Are you part of the cabal or something? How did you predict all this as well as a Zcash pump? Zcash was $30 when you posted this 21:50:10 This is exactly happening on twitter right now. Sockpuppets and smearing campaigns from Zcash followers 21:51:19 that's just well known facts 21:51:37 he's speaking the language of truth 21:52:23 I'm so confused 21:55:52 I was interested in what caused this pump so I searched this channel using "zcash" as a filter and messages from this person came up 21:55:56 is there a web based dex that i can trade bitcoin for monero? or would I have to use the haveno program? 21:56:16 also preferrably one that uses a smart contract or something, that seems like a good idea 21:57:16 Not web based but https://eigenwallet.org is better for BTC <-> XMR or BasicSwap if you're comfortable running a BTC node (https://basicswapdex.com) 21:57:39 what if i want XMR To USD 21:57:47 You can check liquidity on eigenwallet using https://eigenwallet.org/statistics.html 21:57:53 snake: you could use atomic swaps 21:58:13 @edreiestrada:matrix.org: RetoSwap is better for fiat trades not crypto to crypto 21:58:25 Eigenwallet and BasicSwap use atomic swaps 21:58:34 yeah I was reading about atomic swaps but there were a lot of different ways to do it it seems, and seems they all involve using a special wallet 21:59:05 @namenet:matrix.org: thanks 21:59:53 snake If you're willing to wait at least 1 year Serai will offer a Uniswap-like experience to swap BTC, ETH, DAI, etc. on a web frontend 22:00:16 https://beta.moneroswap.eth.link/ is currently being tested for XMR <-> EVM swaps but it's not ready 22:00:28 snake: last time i used https://github.com/comit-network/xmr-btc-swap 22:00:30 yeah i could wait, i don't even have any bitcoin yet that i'd want to do this with. but I'm accepting payments in crypto now so I want to have a plan to avoid getting locked out 22:01:17 L29Ah: THIS REPO IS UNMAINTAINED 22:01:17 PLEASE USE eigenwallet INSTEAD 22:01:18 like avoid getting locked out of an exchange in case a mean person sends me bad bitcoin 22:01:55 You can keep track of Serai progress here: https://serai.exchange/ 22:02:07 It has links to all their socials and GitHub. It's being maintained by kaybanerve 22:02:09 snake: you could accept XMR? 22:02:12 ok thankyou! i will follow it 22:02:12 and not worry about it 22:02:18 avoid nasty exchanges if you care about not getting locked out 22:02:22 Sindy i accept both yes 22:02:55 also avoid mixers like the plague 22:03:09 right i don't need anything like that 22:03:22 Using mixers nowadays at best makes clean BTC -> suspicious BTC 22:03:39 Or suspicions BTC -> suspicious BTC 22:03:40 According to AML checks 22:04:39 Yeah, it's why I stopped MMing on eigenwallet 22:04:39 What i'm supposed to do with the BTC I get lol. I can't just throw it a tradeorgy anymore 22:05:20 Why BTC wallet don't connect to OFAC and other scam and warn you about the tainted output you have 22:05:35 that would be a nice update for there bitcorn ecosystems 22:06:02 you know, so you can use the shit without worring about your account getting banned because you spend coins they don't want you to spend 22:06:04 bitcoins are NFTs 22:06:21 @ravfx:xmr.mx: I remember there was a website for checking if you have tainted BTC 22:06:26 It was an onion I forgot the name 22:06:41 Yeah, Ideally it should be in the wallets 22:06:52 like if you try to spend it should not use tained output except if you ask it to use tained output 22:07:25 And when you receive tainted coin it should produce a popup telling you that you got scammed or something 22:07:45 because lets get real, you can't spend that anywhere safely lol 22:08:28 L29Ah: that's misleading, you might say 22:08:28 satoshi is a NFT 22:08:28 btc can be divided [... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/8vrC9r0KN1Z0aFNF ] 22:08:58 There : each btc outputs are individual NFT 22:09:00 1 satoshi = 0.00000001 BTC 22:09:02 but that does not matter 22:09:08 XMR is just better 22:09:13 BTC is not even private anymore 22:09:38 BTC was never private 22:09:42 that been said, BTC camp could make it better by at lease integrate the tainted coin flagging inside wallet so user know which output to not use 22:10:26 Yep, BTC was never private 22:10:51 you can make it more private say, if you use a different address for each time you receive funds (but that's going to be illegal in the USSA soon) 22:10:54 Im scared of the same happening to xmr 22:11:04 they are trying to crack all the time 22:11:28 They need XMR 22:11:28 They want XMR 22:11:28 But they don't want normies to use XMR 22:11:31 51% etc 22:11:45 so XMR will stay, if they did not want it, it would already be dead 22:11:51 why not? everyone should use xmr 22:11:58 even brainless normies 22:12:07 @edreiestrada:matrix.org: The admins want to use XMR but don't want there slaves to use XMR 22:12:38 I feel the same, I mean profit. 22:12:52 It doesn't matter. Amounts and sender are not hidden. > <@ravfx:xmr.mx> you can make it more private say, if you use a different address for each time you receive funds (but that's going to be illegal in the USSA soon) 22:13:03 profit = good 22:13:11 This is why Satoshi thought of ring signatures but he never got to implement them. 22:13:13 @namenet:matrix.org: Yeah, but that's still going to get illegal soon 22:13:44 using a different address for each receiving event is equal to mixing for them 22:13:56 they can't make anonymous and private things illegal 22:13:57 @ravfx:xmr.mx: Isn't that already the case in the EU? 22:14:04 the illegal part, is to abuse of privacy and do illegal things 22:14:09 @namenet:matrix.org: Maybe, it's it's for 2027 or something 22:14:10 You need to KYC every address you make. 22:14:35 that's what they are banning all the time everywhere, unless you are in north korea or other dictatorship 22:14:36 @edreiestrada:matrix.org: It's already happening 22:14:51 Canada require you to KYC every address you send money to 22:14:56 that's why we need better privacy 22:15:09 and spit in the face of KYC 22:15:29 All KYC information belong on some tor forums 22:16:01 And that unfortunately will make it worst, because to protect your identity they want digital ids 22:16:07 how would the govts enforce that for DEX? 22:16:19 @ravfx:xmr.mx: Digital ID is already a thing in the EU 22:16:20 So they can track every single slaves moves but protect them from leaks 22:16:38 @namenet:matrix.org: im glad to not be in a monarchy 22:16:52 I'm glad i'm in the "third world" 22:16:53 @alexandre:uii.pt: https://www.cryptoninjas.net/news/europes-2027-deadline-the-end-of-anonymous-crypto-wallets/ 22:16:59 @namenet:matrix.org: https://ec.europa.eu/digital-building-blocks/sites/spaces/EUDIGITALIDENTITYWALLET/pages/694487738/EU+Digital+Identity+Wallet+Home 22:17:09 This is no longer a conspiracy theory 22:17:36 dam EU sucks 22:17:46 No one tracks you down in africa 22:17:53 @namenet:matrix.org: right, but technically how are they gonna enforce it? 22:17:55 specially if you use monero 22:18:21 it's all fun and games "oh you have to declare all the wallets you have, pretty please", but how about no 22:18:27 @alexandre:uii.pt: From on/off ramps 22:19:00 People almost always used a centralized on/off ramp. Centralized exchange will be the choke point 22:19:36 well, yeah, if you use CEX sure, but with DEX it's impossible to track, no? 22:19:38 yeah, they fsck with off/onramp 22:19:50 on/off ramps? 22:19:53 just look at the past, they already wiped localbitcoins and localmonero 22:20:07 everything centralized is going to get enforced 22:20:14 @alexandre:uii.pt: If you use something like Retoswap yes 22:20:16 But most people used centralized exchanges 22:20:19 @alexandre:uii.pt: fiat2crypto/crypto2fiat 22:20:51 @ravfx:xmr.mx: oh right 22:22:31 @alexandre:uii.pt: Centralized exchanges are required to comply with EU regulations and provide customer data. If you buy BTC from Binance, for example, Binance must then share that information with the EU. They can implement a tool to automate this process, so every time you off-ramp to an address, you will be required to [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/lrb29r0Kalh4ZTZ4 ] 22:22:59 EU/Canada and USSA are all scamming afaik 22:23:26 right, again, that's only on centralized exchanges. Unless they make mining illegal (lol) there will always be ways to do P2P transactions 22:23:27 Canada, to withdraw money from a CEX to a new address, well, you can't. You have to KYC the receiving address before you can withdraw there 22:24:32 P2P is the way to go. 22:24:32 * Haveno 22:24:32 * Eigen (no idea what to do with the corn still because no wallet flag taineted coins) 22:24:32 * Basicswap 22:24:40 @alexandre:uii.pt: The fact that 99% of people use centralized exchanges means that it will have a significant impact on them and all DeFi applications they interact with. 22:24:47 Or... Just use Telegram with your ex localmonero contact (careful) 22:24:49 The Monero community is ahead of the curve. 22:25:39 I don't know why Zcash is still listed on exchanges in the EU. 22:25:50 @namenet:matrix.org: Because it's not a real privacy coin 22:25:53 Because they have ezchange addresses 22:26:37 @ravfx:xmr.mx: zks are better than ring signatures 22:26:47 Like rav said, they can see 100% of the coins that have entered or left the address that you use to interact with exchanges 22:27:00 @namenet:matrix.org: bulletproofs are zkp 22:27:06 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Because they have transparent pools 22:27:12 ok zks aka snarks 22:27:13 I get it now... 22:27:22