06:21:42 <plowsof> Thanks eddie, it can be manually approved, which username is the account under? 
07:31:29 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> eddie
08:39:14 <Bunnyh> hello, been here for a while but only now ignored joins, quits & parts, basically mandatory here
08:42:50 <BlueyHealer> I just have this setting globally, otherwise it's very annoying.
09:07:02 <DataHoarder> most large public channels will end up with that more or less
09:07:09 <DataHoarder> I don't have them ignored, but they aggregate on single lines
09:12:11 <plowsof> eddie confirmed now 
09:13:05 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> thanks
09:42:11 <Sindy> wtf is housemate doing
09:42:51 <BlueyHealer> DataHoarder, what client is that and what option is it?
09:44:02 <Sindy> imagine connecting to a IRC server, and then refusing to acknowledge any TCP packets
09:50:38 <sech1> BlueyHealer https://thelounge.chat/
09:52:06 <sech1> This is how it looks https://p2pool.io/u/c8cd1c622deb2088/image.png
10:14:19 <BlueyHealer> Ah! Not my client, I didn't see such an option in mine.
10:14:25 <br-m> <lupininmontecarlo:calitabby.net> In a worst case scenario where the internet is further controlled by Big Brother and Monero is illegal to use, could transaction be stopped based on the region you are in, IP, what device and OS you are using, which wallet or node you use and connect to? Hardware to software, the whole chain… Can it be stopped somewhere? Als [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/84q-gsAKTVdxdEpu ]
10:15:30 <BlueyHealer> I doubt it would be impossible to spoof the "approved" OS and hardware.
10:15:35 <Sindy> ^
10:15:56 <Sindy> also only the node you relayed the transaction to knows the origin IP
10:16:05 <Sindy> and if you're using tor, that's even harder
10:28:34 <BlueyHealer> Using your own node should be even better then.
10:28:57 <Sindy> then there's the problem of spy nodes
10:29:23 <Sindy> that'll log the node IP where a transaction originated, if the node is not public
10:32:36 <BlueyHealer> Yeah, that is expected - but shouldn't it reduce visibility of at least something?
10:33:24 <Sindy> well if you share your node with others, it won't be easy to pinpoint who made the transaction
10:34:06 <Sindy> especially if there's like 30 or 50 people
10:34:16 <Sindy> or more than that
12:45:20 <br-m> <monerojuana_:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/tissUlveExOyCjCFHOitDdxR (So we becoming bitcoin core now? )
12:46:04 <Sindy> "flagged"
12:46:12 <Sindy> because calling it a shadowban is too harsh
12:46:16 <br-m> <monerojuana_:matrix.org> Wasn’t flagged as they stated it was Reported over literalmdifference of opionin.
12:46:38 <Sindy> they literally shadowbanned you over a difference of opinion?
12:46:45 <br-m> <monerojuana_:matrix.org> I’ve been appealing it
12:47:59 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> @monerojuana_:matrix.org: what bitcoin core has to do?
12:48:01 <br-m> <monerojuana_:matrix.org> Yes I though it was because I mentioned I lost my 22 week old son and my gf last week
12:48:27 <br-m> <monerojuana_:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: Yes I though it was because I mentioned I lost my 22 week old son and my gf last week just censor and ban whatever they don’t like
12:48:29 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> u probably hit one of their spam filters
12:48:30 <Sindy> github also shadowbanned me for having a email address that wasn't from a popular domain
12:48:51 <br-m> <monerojuana_:matrix.org> Why I left them and keep that nun in the darknesss
12:49:28 <Sindy> i made an account to make an issue on a project, and i wondered why nobody responded
12:49:46 <Sindy> until i realized when i logged out it gave me a 404 page
12:49:49 <Sindy> but logged in, it didn't
12:49:52 <br-m> <monerojuana_:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: So far the appeal says no I had one comment to Tevador
12:51:02 <br-m> <monerojuana_:matrix.org> I got 27 nyms total I can’t but I’m still able to see the debate on PoT
12:51:36 <Sindy> basses: i hate shadowbanning though
12:51:54 <Sindy> like either give a warning or full ban
12:52:45 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> they make it silent on purpose
12:53:01 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> so spammer keep wasting their time thinking they are not shadowbanned
12:53:28 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> it is better than reddit
12:53:48 <br-m> <basses:matrix.org> their shadowbans are permament like a ban
12:54:04 <Sindy> if i'm making a legit issue and i get shadowbanned for not having an approved email address
12:54:14 <Sindy> then i'd just quit making issues on github
12:55:53 <Sindy> the only reason why github sends an email to users when they get shadowbanned is because of EU's DSA
12:56:10 <Sindy> prior to that, they were super slient
12:56:29 <BlueyHealer> I wonder if Github eventually starts demanding a phone number
13:02:08 <Sindy> BlueyHealer: more likely they'll pull a minecraft
13:02:26 <Sindy> and force you to "voluntarily" migrate your github account to a microsoft account
13:04:20 <BlueyHealer> Hmm, that sounds VERY in-character
13:05:02 <BlueyHealer> Funny how I thought that I'd have a licensed MC when I grow up (like my childhood youtubers did), but now I know this isn't happening and this is one of the reasons why.
13:06:57 <br-m> <monerojuana_:matrix.org> I never had any other account suspended for anything and  def never had this issue on other repo sites > <Sindy> then i'd just quit making issues on github
13:07:19 <br-m> <monerojuana_:matrix.org> BlueyHealer: Wouldn’t surprise me
13:08:29 <br-m> <monerojuana_:matrix.org> They should say something when they do email verification > <Sindy> if i'm making a legit issue and i get shadowbanned for not having an approved email address
15:55:47 <br-m> <lupininmontecarlo:calitabby.net> Since there was a mining bug in the beginning of Monero, and more coins got minted than was supposed to, how likely is it that someone in the early days did a “Satoshi Nakamoto” and got 1 million XMR? Or at least hundreds of thousands? Would this be possible with something like 10 very good computers running all day from 2014.04.18?
15:56:32 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> What mining bug?
15:57:50 <Sindy> ofrnxmr: most likely talking about the bug in CryptoNote that could result in counterfeit moneros
15:57:53 <br-m> <lupininmontecarlo:calitabby.net> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Maybe it is not true, but I heard that 2x the amount where mined for a period. Question still stands though even without the bug.
15:58:35 <Sindy> that bug was kept a secret while the devs were working to fix it
15:59:25 <Sindy> and lying to the mining pools to make them hard fork (DoS vulnerability in RingCT)
16:00:45 <Sindy> i doubt the bug was exploited by someone before the devs fixed it though
16:03:57 <Sindy> lupininmontecarlo: the bug was never exploited, so "more coins got minted than was supposed to" is false
16:03:57 <br-m> <loop.ster:matrix.org> I'm reasonably sure that it was proven that the bug was not exploited. But even if it was the case, that's not how mining works.
16:03:57 <br-m> <loop.ster:matrix.org> Even with a million machines, You'd not make much more than 2x the original emission rate because of the difficulty adjustment.
16:04:30 <Sindy> bitcoin had a similar counterfeit coin bug too
16:04:36 <Sindy> CVE-2018-17144
16:05:31 <Sindy> devs usually fix that super quickly because if they were ever exploited, it'd cause massive damage to the trust and value of the coin
16:05:45 <Sindy> and massive inflation
16:10:09 <br-m> <lupininmontecarlo:calitabby.net> Even if some where not rewarded unfairly through a bug, if you had a lot of compute, and few others where mining, would it be possible do you think that someone was able to get hundreds of thousands in the beginning, like Satoshi with his 1 million?
16:13:53 <br-m> <lupininmontecarlo:calitabby.net> Sindy: And how would people know that that was not the case when it is a private blockchain?
16:14:18 <br-m> <lupininmontecarlo:calitabby.net> Sindy: How would you detect the inflation?
16:29:24 <br-m> <rbrunner7> @lupininmontecarlo:calitabby.net: Do you know this already? https://www.moneroinflation.com/
16:29:31 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I think he might be referring to the "cripple" miner or the proprietary miners that were N* as good as what monero shipped > <@lupininmontecarlo:calitabby.net> Maybe it is not true, but I heard that 2x the amount where mined for a period. Question still stands though even without the bug.
16:31:13 <Sindy> rbrunner7: i cannot believe there's a site specifically for this
16:32:28 <br-m> <lupininmontecarlo:calitabby.net> @rbrunner7: Yeah, but could this not have been exploited still by devs maybe before they fixed it, sorry if that does not make sense, Im just trying to learn.
16:35:11 <Sindy> lupininmontecarlo: there are methods to check the key images for the inflation bug in the blog post that talks about it
16:35:15 <Sindy> https://www.getmonero.org/2017/05/17/disclosure-of-a-major-bug-in-cryptonote-based-currencies.html
16:36:14 <br-m> <rbrunner7> Yes, hidden inflation is possible. But you know what, a whole lot of things are "possible" in the same sense. Like you winning the lottery jackpot not only once, but twice in a row. Or you house getting damaged in the next few minutes because a small meteorite strikes it. You name it.
16:36:22 <Sindy> if this was exploited, there'd be an occurance if all the key images in the blockchain was scanned
16:36:58 <br-m> <rbrunner7> If you, after learning seriously about the situation, still worry about hidden inflation, I would say it's quite simple: Monero is not for you, case closed.
16:39:35 <br-m> <rbrunner7> It's also possible that tomorrow somebody finds a way to quickly factor awfully large integers into their prime factors, just with a normal computer, without any "quantum" magic, just with a clever new algorithm. I am pretty sure there is no actual mathematical proof that factorization has to be slow.
16:40:16 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> P=NP
16:40:29 <br-m> <rbrunner7> It's just damned improbable after all those brilliant people trying to find and algorithm for all those years already. Just like Monero hidden inflation :)
16:40:36 <Sindy> yes this is why we're investing in uhh
16:40:38 <Sindy> lettuce
16:40:42 <Sindy> lettuce?
16:40:47 <Sindy> i don't know what it's called
16:43:09 <br-m> <rbrunner7> Ah, now I remember: Just by sheer chance all the oxigen molecules in a room could stay on one side away from you long enough for you to asphyxiate. No physical law rules that out.
16:43:41 <Sindy> god reorged the oxygen molecules away from me >:(
16:45:56 <br-m> <lupininmontecarlo:calitabby.net> > <@rbrunner7> If you, after learning seriously about the situation, still worry about hidden inflation, I would say it's quite simple: Monero is not for you, case closed.
16:45:56 <br-m> <lupininmontecarlo:calitabby.net> I have not learned seriously about the situation, I am trying to learn, that is why I am asking. The topic got into inflation on the heavy side here. The question I really wanted to know was, is it possible that someone was able to mine hundreds of thousands of Monero in the beginning if they had a lot of compute and few others were mining? Without bugs or that sort.
16:46:42 <Sindy> you could test that theory yourself
16:46:48 <Sindy> you can like, spin up a private blockchain
16:47:01 <Sindy> and mine yourself for a few days and report how much XMR you get in it
16:49:07 <BlueyHealer> I am sorry for a dumb question, but what's the point of a private blockchain in general?
16:49:29 <BlueyHealer> Why not just, like, a regular database?
16:49:29 <br-m> <lupininmontecarlo:calitabby.net> Sindy: Im afraid I do not know how to do that. What do you think would be the results?
16:51:34 <Sindy_> it's easy to make a private blockchain and doesn't require that much space
16:53:57 <br-m> <lupininmontecarlo:calitabby.net> Sindy_: That does not help me, I guess no one wants to answer if they think it is possible that someone sits with a million mined XMR´s then?
16:54:36 <Sindy_> it's hypotheticals
16:55:10 <Sindy_> and honestly i don't have the time to be like mythbusters
16:55:46 <br-m> <lupininmontecarlo:calitabby.net> OK. Bye, I hope you have a lovely day wherever you are.
16:57:22 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @lupininmontecarlo:calitabby.net: Its possible, satoshi has a cpl mill, no?
16:57:50 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And it didnt cost very much to buy a mill a few years ago
16:58:07 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Gov might have 4+mill just from seizures
18:27:25 <br-m> <rbrunner7> https://moneroj.net/coins/ would probably be a nice graph to have right now, but gives a 500 error ...
18:50:44 <br-m> <rbrunner7> I did some very rough calculations. Looks as if it took Monero around half a year to emit the first 4 million XMR. (The emission curve of Monero is pretty steep.) So if somebody managed to mine e.g. with 1/4th of total network hashrate for that half year, they have a cool million XMR. That does not sound probable to me, but possible.
19:17:50 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> @rbrunner7: try again
19:34:20 <tevador> https://da-data.blogspot.com/2014/08/minting-money-with-monero-and-cpu.html
19:34:32 <br-m> <rbrunner7> Hmm, doesn't work for me right now
19:36:29 <br-m> <rbrunner7> Maybe you had the page cached? Or it already went titsup again? :)
19:37:02 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> @rbrunner7:monero.social: you are talking to me I assume?
19:37:20 <br-m> <rbrunner7> Yes
19:38:32 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> It broke again 😲
19:40:25 <br-m> <321bob321> Doesn't work for me either > <@rbrunner7> https://moneroj.net/coins/ would probably be a nice graph to have right now, but gives a 500 error ...
19:40:59 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> I see what is wrong, but I don't know what is causing it yet
19:41:04 <br-m> <321bob321> Ok works now
19:42:15 <br-m> <rbrunner7> Yup
19:43:00 <br-m> <eddie:oblak.be> It's leading a life of its own 😅
19:44:13 <br-m> <rbrunner7> Thanks for giving it a kick