00:21:42 <321bob321> Runescape was a game ? 00:22:24 still is, still active market that is converted to real money 01:09:41 P2P circular economy markets: 01:09:41 https://forums.d2jsp.org/ 01:09:41 https://traderie.com/ 01:09:41 https://diablodex.com/ 01:09:41 https://www.eldorado.gg/[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/kIC92MUKc0lWMWVm ] 01:10:35 is /u/jespow even still around? he would know what am talking about 01:23:00 @spacekitty69420:matrix.org: jespow got got 01:25:58 @spacekitty69420:matrix.org: is the steam key market still big? 01:29:49 steam keys lol? 01:29:54 not quite sure on that specific one but would assume so 01:29:54 which forum golds could be onramped through monero from that part of the forum: 01:29:54 steam giftcards: 01:29:54 https://forums.d2jsp.org/forum.php?f=279 01:29:54 blizzard giftcards:[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/y5CH2cUKdWg4U0ZB ] 01:30:25 @spacekitty69420:matrix.org: rad 01:30:37 does d2jsp use escrow? 01:30:55 they're called mediator, can use them for the expensive trades yea 01:32:06 ignore what ofrnxmr has to say no one likes him 01:33:02 he takes credit for other people's work, uses AI to create his shell scripts, and scammed the ccs multiple times. we avoid talking about it because ofrnxmr loves attention. he was banned for months before his return 01:33:42 block the guy and ignore what he says. i appreciate your work spacekitty 01:34:00 tenkyu, appreciate it <3 01:35:17 @tabbycali:calitabby.net: Lmao 01:35:36 Who's work do i take credit for? 01:35:37 I use AI 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 01:35:37 damn straight i was banned for like 7 months and still got work done 01:35:48 @spacekitty69420:matrix.org: remember this monero adage. in monero, the scammers are always the ones with the loudest voices. as the scammers can't code, they rely on talk 01:36:20 And re nobosy likes me: i couldnt care less. Im not here to make internet friends 01:36:27 i mean, i cant code for shit either but i hear u lol 01:36:46 real monero developers: kayabanerve, jeffro, jberman, hinto, boog, and many others. scammers: ofrnxmr, spirobel, and many others 01:37:05 notice how the real monero developers stick to code not talk 01:37:20 did i ever portray myaelf to be a developer? 01:37:40 Funny how like 70% of my time is spent working with (some) of the devs you listed 01:38:23 Whats the point in leaving if youre still here, reading from an alt? 01:38:51 the moderators are slacking off and you need to get banned again. you're in cahoots with basicswap and stole thousands of xmr from the ccs for a useless integration. i hope "anon" or whoever that scammer is doesn't get funded either 01:39:21 oh look, a new name asking for bans 01:39:45 nioc stick to petting your cats 01:39:55 i know what i'm talking about. i'm not spirobel's sockpuppet accounts 01:40:18 did I say you were? 01:40:21 midipoet was harassed by ofrnxmr. i don't know why this guy is still allowed to talk as much as he does 01:40:49 not reading from an alt, but the logs, hence: 01:40:49 This being said there are people who are very uniformed about how scaling in Monero actually works. There are also those who would rather keep peer to peer in Monero very small in size. 01:40:49 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lounge/20251029#c604591 01:40:49 (idk shit about actual scaling so i would be the former part of that sentence, ofrnxmr would be the latter part of that sentence) 01:41:18 youre an idipt 01:41:19 not correct 01:41:22 moderation is lax because people rejected bird's coc 01:41:26 If you read the log, i'm on articmines side 01:41:29 the best you can do is block scammers 01:41:50 The double-agent stuff if starting to be annoying 01:41:56 Is* 01:42:15 homophobe 01:42:19 You know i know who you are, friend 01:42:35 it starts being annoying when you get exposed 01:42:48 you try this every other week 01:42:52 anyway most of us know who you are. i wanted to let spacekitty know 01:42:59 And, incase you havent noticed, it doesnt work 01:43:20 many of monero's intricacies are undocumented. this is one of them 01:44:00 how so? During the ccs you were far more vocal 01:44:25 And you had people like kayaba, sgp, scott, erc, syn, and many other speak against me 01:44:39 Rip. This rally ia trash. You can do better 01:45:02 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: you were obviously the one behind those sockpuppet accounts 01:45:09 you don't know who i really am 01:45:10 LMFAO 01:45:34 yeah, i also spammed anon's ccs, right? 01:45:39 i'm sick of scammers like yourself robbing community members blind 01:45:49 And i'm also you, right? 01:46:02 eoc i got better things to do 01:46:09 eoc? 01:54:28 end of conversation 08:01:22 https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=107323686&f=383 08:01:22 idk if getting baited on that 08:01:39 did interpol, europol, idk what the fuck pole bribed the admin to make create them a brand new fake account with fake join date and so on 08:01:39 as explained by sam bent over there: 08:01:39 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_FWgUA85aI 08:01:44 would reply if i wasnt retired but actually retired for now 08:02:49 You can buy accounts, cant you? 08:04:12 the answer would be: 08:04:12 "kind of, it's against the jsp ToS to directly trade those forum golds for crypto 08:04:12 but there is a way to onramp through the giftcards from like cakewallet, bitrefill, coincards through the battlenet and steam forum category 08:04:12 to offramp is more of a hassle but pretty much same way and then sell those giftcard to retoswap or something like that" 08:04:58 I mean, you can buy "aged" twitter accounts, so i assume you can buy an aged forum account 08:05:13 so feel free to answer if anyone able to make an account there 08:05:13 it dont allow vpn but can have vpn at router level and nesting a residential ip proxy type thing 08:09:58 btw, here's an example of an account from 2002 with only 55 posts and got bullied in some other part of the forum from posting recently: 08:09:58 https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=107075693&f=120 08:09:58 instead of just letting it go 08:09:58 multis have a reason to be 08:09:58 stop trying to force people to dox themselves 08:12:37 Supposedly im the king of socks 🤷‍♂️ 08:14:06 Anyway, no idea rhe point of the link you just sent 08:15:31 moderation should be a topic in the next monero meeting 08:16:00 mods are repeating the same mistake that got #monero-pools closed 08:17:51 didnt know this chat could glow that much, silencing voices promoting privacy in monero 08:17:55 bye glowies o/ 08:21:52 @spacekitty69420:matrix.org: All you're doing is making friends with bad actors 08:22:21 https://matrix.to/#/!qqRhJzAUfTJRpMHqIP:matrix.org/$Prx96R4WHJPAELIgy4tAEzbg_v6E1AY-A6p6SP5bm4c?via=matrix.org&via=monero.social&via=tchncs.de 08:22:35 I mean, you can buy "aged" twitter accounts, so i assume you can buy an aged forum account <- I don't know about it happening on social media (I guess it does), but heard news about law enforcement buying illegal forum accounts XD 10:16:14 haha damn lmao, just got an instant 1 hour ban (was pushing logs i guess lmao, probably "d2legit" was caught in the filter and instantban) 10:16:14 i removed the .coms, that wasnt even a link, even the other markets i removed the https and .com but still got fucked on that lol saj 10:23:32 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: sowry, have a thing for the badboys lol 10:32:17 anyways, figured was probably just someone from coooley's community 10:32:17 and had to check my dms on there anyways since he said he would dm me which he did after his stream 10:32:17 so was able to reply there before the other post that got me the 1 hour ban 11:12:19 im trying to mute spacekitty for minimum 1 hour , please hold 11:13:46 tysm plowsof 11:53:54 @spirobel:kernal.eu 11:54:02 Look at the date 11:55:53 Planned 12:56:25 Cindy: @syntheticbird:monero.social already gave the solution 12:56:28 No one listens to them 12:58:12 what 13:00:38 Inspired by ErCiccione who Monero really needs right now 13:03:07 Cindy: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/pull/991 13:05:43 ofrnxmr and his goons raided the proposal 13:06:23 If the CoC were in place, trolls would disappear 13:08:16 doesn't matter if a CoC is in place when the mods are asleep most of the time 13:08:46 also IRC monero already has a CoC over it, it's the libera policy guidelines 13:15:08 Trolls never disappear, it takes a few bad actors to shit all over the place, so it stinks so bad that nobody wants to be there, it's plainly just an endless uphill battle that requires more jannies (they do it for free™) for securing, containing, and of course protecting 13:15:24 monero is not above libera's rules and guidelines 13:15:40 Moderation has been tapering ever since erc left. Monero needs erc 13:15:44 maybe the mods should start enforcing to that (the bare minimum) 13:16:12 but even THAT is too much for them apparently 13:16:19 @mrlonglonglonglong:matrix.org: Nonsense 13:16:25 SyntheticBird's CoC + erc coming back will get rid of all trolls 13:16:26 that's why #monero-pools got closed down by libera ops 13:16:39 Cindy we had this conversation a year ago 13:16:46 @mrlonglonglonglong:matrix.org: Erc himself is a damn troll 13:17:02 @ofrnxmr: You miss erc I know it 13:17:12 He was the spirit of Monero 13:17:19 What a joke 13:17:37 i'd pay mods for them to do their fucking job 13:17:41 "The Spirit of Monero hates Monerochan" 13:17:42 I have a feeling that erc will make a return 13:17:56 rather than letting more and more monero rooms get closed down or moderated for them by libera ops 13:18:15 I have a feeling that he's returned like 5 times to attack devs 13:18:21 We went over this look at the monero research lab logs 13:19:19 Solution: implement the CoC recommended by SyntheticBird, and hire more moderators like erc (who has Firo friends who could also join) 13:19:38 fuck both of those ideas 13:20:00 i'd be happy if they even followed the libera policy 13:20:07 ofrnxmr we tried your ideas 13:20:09 It doesn't work 13:20:14 @mrlonglonglonglong:matrix.org: no we didnt 13:20:17 Monero needs erc and a CoC 13:20:49 Yes we did and look at all the trolls raiding this place 13:20:55 It has come to the point where developers are getting doxxed 13:20:56 No, we didnt 13:21:12 Cindy: SyntheticBird's proposal was detailed and tailored towards Monero. They spent hard work on it and built on erc's CoC 13:21:40 these channels are getting exhausting for me 13:21:44 @monerobull:matrix.org 13:21:50 i talk more about dumb fucking trolls than monero 13:22:03 and i might actually leave if this doesn't improve 13:22:24 You can always join Nostr or the SimpleX 13:22:44 i was expecting discussion about monero, not a fucking kindergarten full of 4chan refugees 13:23:13 4chan has their own thread 13:23:25 Cindy I concur. The first day in this #channel I had to ignore two idiots. So sad. 13:23:52 You could also block Matrix users 13:23:55 Cindy: I mean, it's pretty much expected in le "free speech privacy-oriented communities" 13:24:18 I don't see trolls on IRC 13:24:20 Cindy: This is a long running attack 13:24:23 this place is not free speech 13:24:25 Wish that somebody would've remembered some old ways of the forums 13:24:30 Has anyone bought monero using Kraken.com? How was the experience? 13:24:52 use retoswap.com instaed 13:25:02 well 13:25:03 ax562: usually no problems, as long as you dont mind kyc 13:25:04 plain and simple, you can't just keep saying slurs all day or be a complete asshole to others here 13:25:05 i guess if you are in the US kraken is still fine 13:25:07 @monerobull:matrix.org: @kevino:tchncs.de 13:25:09 because this is libera not rizon 13:25:23 @mrlonglonglonglong:matrix.org: See what I mean 13:25:53 ax562: Kraken is perfect I use it to DCA XMR 13:26:05 br-m yeah, I know about retroswap.com. It's just super sketchy sending money to anonymous people through mail or ca$happ!?!?! 13:26:20 Cindy: yeah, I read the topic (which includes xkcd1357), nonetheless, there should be KoS status for certain individuals in my view 13:26:46 -offtopic is even worse, it's always just 2 retards fighting 13:26:49 less sketchy than using kucoin, thats for sure 13:27:08 spirnobel and whoever else behind alts 13:27:58 It just sucks that there are little options to use legit payment methods from a reputable source. Why doesn't monero sell their own coins directly. That would be a ca$h cow for monero imho. 13:28:09 ax562: who's monero 13:28:34 the folks behind the block chain. 13:28:47 sorry, we're not like a bank or something 13:29:08 no one is talking about being a bank. 13:29:12 s/KoS/KoS\/BoS/ 🧌 > -offtopic is even worse, it's always just 2 retards fighting 13:29:53 I'm talking about making it easier to grow monero. for monero to accept legit payment methods directly. that's all I'm saying. 13:30:20 if you're talking about the core devs, they're just users like us 13:30:39 nobody has control over supply 13:30:47 it's business 101. If people have a super difficult time "buying" your product, they will just go else where. 13:31:37 are you talking about monero hosting their own CEX? 13:32:34 like, haveno? 13:32:40 ax562: There isn't much tooling for accepting transactions in various places to be fair 13:32:43 thorchain > It just sucks that there are little options to use legit payment methods from a reputable source. Why doesn't monero sell their own coins directly. That would be a ca$h cow for monero imho. 13:33:07 or maybe DEX, not sure at has to be that exactly. Just maybe a buymonero.com where people could sell directly to buymonero.com and then buymonero.com sells back to whoever using legit payment methods. 13:33:35 that involves control over funds 13:33:41 which also means responsibilites such as taxes 13:33:44 and reporting income 13:33:49 and financial regulations 13:33:56 ax562: like https://swap.thorchain.org ? 13:34:09 well, yeah, business 101. Control your product. 13:34:40 no that would be a crappy business, especially when the feds are cracking down on privacy coins 13:35:02 in some jursdictions, it would even be illegal without a license to explictly sell cryptocurrencies 13:35:04 feds are not cracking down on privacy coins 13:35:08 anyone if free to run a website to buy monero 13:35:17 It doesn't have to be done it corrupt countries. It can be done in a legit one where they won't get harrassed. 13:35:25 spacekitty69420: EU is, and that counts as "feds" 13:35:28 Privacy coins are illegal in japan, arent they 13:35:40 unlucky 13:35:49 what did the EU do? 13:35:50 Cindy | in some jursdictions, it would even be illegal without a license to explictly sell cryptocurrencies <- They're such a gray area, and I think it's gonna happen anyway. 13:36:04 they're planning to fully ban privacy coins by 2027 13:36:12 ofrnxmr, could you elaborate please? How exactly is it enforced? 13:36:16 No, its not a grey area in most cases 13:36:31 ax562: options for countries to host your currency exchange thing is quickly shrinking more and more 13:36:38 there's only the US or canada 13:36:39 > they're planning to fully ban privacy coins by 2027 13:36:45 i don't know how its enforced. I'm not from the region 13:36:46 but even the US is planning to make some crypto regulations 13:36:51 any source impossible... 13:36:58 yes, well, take advantage of the oportunity while it's still available. 13:36:59 Probably same way drugs are enforced 13:37:05 If accepting XMR is illegal by businesses - that's understandable. But how'd they enforce that people don't own it? That seems like "catch whoever they can" or "catch whoever's easiest". 13:37:23 Cindy: Canada just finrd cryptomous (sp?) 175m for not doing proper kyc/aml 13:37:27 There are many countries that have a law that requires the use of the legal tender in stores, de jura banning any type of cryptocurrencies for such usage > in some jursdictions, it would even be illegal without a license to explictly sell cryptocurrencies 13:37:29 https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=106240674&f=383&p=679795244 13:37:29 in case u missed it, not gonna make alt accounts, thank you to anyone that saw value in those markets 13:37:29 there is indeed people that dont want p2p to grow for monero, explained the reasoning in the thread, it's a theory but seems to make senses, good luck everyone! 13:37:35 Cindy U.S or Canada are not the only countries in the world. 13:37:47