00:10:29 Whats so revolutionary about Monero that some freaks clame its gonna change the world? For me it's just another merchandise on the market and you need centralized bank money to be able to own some and use them. 00:11:32 How is this merchandise gonna change the world?? 00:13:45 same way cash was a gamechanger 00:13:55 xmr = digital cash 00:15:20 there are many types of money 00:15:28 some are better than others 00:16:18 xmr is useful for some people 00:25:45 But to clame its gonna change the world and end poverty and inequality and so on is exaggerated isn't? 00:27:34 I've never heard claims that it would end poverty and inequality 00:28:42 No one with a brain believes any singular thing can possibly end poverty/inequality 00:28:49 I love Monero so f*cking much 00:28:49 Everyday I wake up and think of how it can completely revolutionize the world. No man has succeeded in taking down central banking. They simply get overthrown or killed and their entire system of state banking which made the nation prosperous gets thrown out and the same old central banking system gets installed 00:28:49 He who controls the money runs the nation. Not only will democracy actually be possible but there will be no more inflation, usury and endless wars that are used to prop up the fraudulent system of theft, murder and deception of the broad masses[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/nIDAzscKb2x3N09G ] 00:29:46 That is an example on reddit Monero channel 00:29:54 can 00:30:12 I don't think so 00:30:13 people say all sorts of things 00:30:32 also le reddit is pretty full of exaggerating claims these days 00:30:33 I am rarely on red it 00:30:49 I agree me too 00:31:38 It sound like the Prophet of Bitcoin crypto anarchist in Mexico 00:31:45 Lol 00:31:52 the difference between humans and other animals is their ability to make shit up 00:32:23 Among other things 00:33:24 Anyway thanks we clarified something 00:52:39 <4sight:matrix.org> People still use Reddit???????????? > <@redti1989:matrix.org> That is an example on reddit Monero channel 00:53:05 lots of bots do XD 01:01:57 Im guilty 01:05:39 But its a minor offense compared to using facebook 01:06:01 Which i dont use, but thats offtopic 01:06:25 😁 01:15:26 * br-m wonders how monero.town is doing these days🤔 01:15:51 or is it house? I can never remember 01:16:07 <4sight:matrix.org> @gzx:metropolis.nexus: monerobull closed it down 01:16:38 anything take it's place or monero homies say forget lemmy? 01:17:47 piefed does seem a better option at this point too. 01:19:11 <4sight:matrix.org> DAVEJP MY OPPS FUCK DAVEJP 01:19:15 <4sight:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/DVrLSkimXSXzfrZaWuQILMZY.png (davejp.png) 01:20:23 <4sight:matrix.org> @gzx:metropolis.nexus: You can probably find the name of that Nostr-like instance I forgot in the monero.town announcements 01:46:57 monerotown is up 01:47:10 maybe just can't access from tor 01:47:21 <4sight:matrix.org> Not for long 01:47:27 <4sight:matrix.org> monerobull said he is closing it down look at the latest announcement 01:47:40 you said that it is closed 01:48:00 yes I know that he is trying to switch platforms 01:48:25 when was the latest announcement 01:48:34 I heard about a week ago 01:49:02 * nioc looks 01:50:02 yeah 6 days ago 01:50:05 man, I haven't heard nostr mentioned in a while—will give it another glance soon, thanks 01:55:43 <4sight:matrix.org> I found it 01:55:46 <4sight:matrix.org> @gzx:metropolis.nexus: https://monstr.land/ 02:10:45 this seems like abandonware, though—can anyone confirm?(or deny) 02:51:06 nvm—it's not even foss, I'm good 02:52:38 @gzx:metropolis.nexus: gotta talk nice nice about BTC to get them zaps 02:53:28 Dudes be talkin about "BTC is freedom money" and dont even be believing it themselves 02:53:52 that price is wayyy too high to be called freedom money anymore 03:07:03 hey, i'm confused about the concept of an "output" in monero. if i go on a chain explorer, all i see for each transaction is the sender's key image and the two receiver public key. but elsewhere i see talk of 7 digit outputs/TXOs. are the list of 16 different outputs not public for each transaction? where do I see those on chain? 03:09:52 and also, when are these outputs created or destroyed? if Alice sends some monero to Bob, and Bob sends it back to Alice, can an observer see that the same output has gone back and forth? 03:25:10 imyxh1: In monero, outputs are inputs 03:25:37 The real out(in)put is one of the 16 decoys 03:27:55 When you view a tx on an explorer, it will show a list of 16 ring members for each input. 03:27:56 If a tx spends 2 inputs, youll see 2 groups of 16 ring members in the tx details 03:28:12 1 ring member in each group is the real input 03:31:12 can you link me an explorer that actually displays the outputs? i'm not seeing them on the first few explorers that popped up (or i don't know where to look) 03:45:12 ah, i see. the outputs are identified by offsets. so if Alice sends to Bob (let's say she uses an output with index 100), then Bob sends to Alice, then the index of that output Bob just sent is _not_ 100, it's the offset of the previous Alice→Bob transaction. is this right? 03:45:28 s/index/offset 04:08:50 Offsets are global 04:09:08 Otherwise you'd know receivers 04:09:18 The index is the number of that output in order as included in Monero blocks 04:10:25 Easier case: miner transaction only has outputs https://p2pool.io/explorer/tx/aab1166d7b6835583588cca0a603eec00c1e3a16177549f48196bb60eea1a8d4 04:11:10 If you check the block mined https://p2pool.io/explorer/block/f05c7f61f790ca5a6a76a25e5c25d114089a2d721a8436b47a65f7ca18828ab2 04:11:39 The second transaction continues the output indices 04:11:41 And so on 04:12:09 This is different how other TXO chains refer to spends, where they refer them by the transaction id 04:35:44 ah thank you, p2pool shows it very nicely 06:09:01 the actual p2pool block with tagged outputs if you are curious https://p2pool.observer/share/f05c7f61f790ca5a6a76a25e5c25d114089a2d721a8436b47a65f7ca18828ab2 08:40:56 "I've noticed that many UK users have issues syncing their wallets and it looks like its not isolated to just one ISP" @monerobull:matrix.org sauce? 08:41:23 I'm in the UK, and I rarely have issues 08:41:33 even on a worse connection that I just upgraded anyway 08:41:36 A) use a better node 08:41:36 B) use a node that has SSL 08:41:36 C) use dnscrypt or doh 08:49:26 @ofrnxmr: my personal experience 08:49:56 i do a lot of r/monerosupport 08:50:15 and ive noticed that node connectivity is mostly an issue with UK people 08:50:30 interesting 08:50:52 @monerobull:matrix.org: using what nodes 08:51:00 yeah 08:51:04 most wallets don't have nodes in the uk 08:53:50 @ofrnxmr: A) is the most likely solution 08:54:37 Id also say A2) is poor internet 08:55:47 If UK was throttling or censoring monero, then (B) should fix it. But i doubt that is the case 09:00:11 I'm pretty sure my ISP has tried to block tor before 09:00:32 idk if it was just a bad connection they were providing, but everything else was working 09:05:56 same, occasionally i have to use bridges 09:11:26 we need a UK specimen to study 09:14:07 a few times i've had DNS issues before where direct IP connection to a node worked fine 12:13:00 @nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev 12:13:19 hello 12:13:21 you spamming me 12:13:23 ? 12:13:34 lol 12:13:38 I got blocked in the UK 12:13:51 @nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev: ok sorry ignore me 12:13:56 @treelover6000:matrix.org: what ISP? 12:13:59 My ISP blocks Tor unless you use the Azure bridge 12:14:03 i see 12:14:49 @nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev: brsk 12:15:36 you should call them up 12:15:41 they have no right to block a protocol 12:16:17 @nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev: I'll try later today 12:16:37 find some random pieces of law to cite 12:30:45 ask them to attend a zoom meeting with your chatgpt lawyer present 12:31:25 do we know which isps are blocking tor? 12:35:16 plowsof: I think toob may have been at one point, can't fully confirm it tho 12:40:56 Nicholas Martinez 12:41:04 ? 13:02:01 Hello Monero Community, 13:02:01 My name is Nicholas Martinez, a security researcher and developer from Britain with a strong proficiency in Python. 13:02:01 I'm reaching out because I deeply admire Monero's commitment to privacy and would be eager to contribute. My background includes: [... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/oaSG5McKdWo0TDBO ] 13:05:24 nthpyrodev i done a quick search - alot of UK isps vegan blocking Tor from 2013 onward , ehh 13:06:02 surprisingly i can accept the room invite 13:06:52 i think i am ACL'd on the matrix side 13:07:00 which is fine i guess 13:07:01 @glax1a:matrix.org: I'm also a fan of kyun.host and Monero, which I use in my country despite its illegal status. My XMR address is: 13:07:01 8AkqQTkTY6WcbpF6U48AZtNozYJ92Qf3uCd73oLDN9JBfrcmpzmaHXsGpzZgYZ3dZUcSfAWMCTRGvPfFGkpydFoCCsRHRuY 13:07:14 Bitcoin: bc1qxy2kgdygjrsqtzq2n0yrf2493p83kkfjhx0wlh 13:07:15 never mind i am not 13:07:19 No begging python dev 13:07:22 Litecoin: LTaGxdGHLZMu8TTKFTpbX92BPttP51jNn4 13:07:23 anyways what is happening to my friend 13:07:50 plowsof: Sorry! 13:08:46 Hi plowsof, 13:08:46 I am writing to sincerely apologize for begging. There is no excuse for my behavior, and I know I hurt you. 13:08:46 I was wrong because I was being thoughtless.[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/6oGf5McKTjY1VzBR ] 13:09:19 I forgive chatgpt 13:09:30 My other account is nthpyrodev I hope alt accounts are allowed 13:09:41 plowsof: 🙏 13:10:34 ah so you're the one causing all the psychological torment on here @glax1a:matrix.org 13:10:56 i recognize your name and your chaotic energy 13:11:20 this one has definitely targeted me before 13:11:44 kypwny.eth 13:11:51 yes that is my ethereum wallet 13:11:55 My best friend nice to see you! 13:12:15 I'm just having fun here I'm nthpyrodev 13:12:35 glax1a is spreading themselves out across this protocol to lurk and dox people with shitty opsec 13:12:50 i dont know who any of the mods are in here but 13:12:55 @ky:tilde.horse: 0x151f87326331392dfFe89215B5B28D59Fd8E39eF 13:13:11 @ky:tilde.horse: False accusations friend? Time to report to the exchanges! 13:13:21 what exchanges 13:13:23 I hope you reported your taxes! 13:13:29 i have 13:13:30 thanks 13:13:43 Goodbye friend 13:13:46 anyways all of the metadata you have gathered on me is planted on purpose 13:13:50 retard 13:14:41 so anyways i believe i've been banned here before for being misassociated with trolls 13:14:49 i maintain a presence everywhere to stay intelligent 13:15:00 glax1a doxed a fellow room member here and i came to investigate 13:15:19 and seeing as they were able to post simple info about me so quickly 13:15:58 i recommend you all be careful of what you say to anyone on this protocol in any public setting 13:29:00 we know 13:30:17 glowies are building a profile database of monero users and developers 13:30:19 it's one of the methods they use outside of spy nodes, spamming the chain, and the surveillance tool used by chainalysis 13:30:21 fuck blockchain surveillence glowniggers. i read only from the logs now. irc is worse 13:31:57 this place is a trap for newcomers. they will toy with you 13:38:46 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/zyLyuXgoGUFUhArAaHRwPwaS.png (image.png) 13:38:54 reminder 13:48:37 is matrix becoming discord? 13:51:06 In which sense? 13:52:09 @droid192:matrix.org: Which type of keyboard is it on the image, qwerty ? 14:13:41 Hello 14:16:24 does someone use openmonero here? I have setup everything, everything seem to be working fine when I check the logs, but tx list is always empty even after importing the transactions, I tried to use curl to call my node with tx hash and this is working 14:17:53 I wouldn't touch openmonero 14:17:58 johny_ if you are hosting a private instance, i would consider switching to monero-lws 14:18:24 openmonero only scans when you login as it does not maintain a database of viewkeys 14:19:44 i had success with the Dockerfile https://gist.github.com/plowsof/419d04555cbca90e9d45658df35273f0 14:20:42 yes that's a choice, I prefer not storing view keys as well 14:24:34 br-m why you wouldn't touch openmonero? 14:25:16 Theyre prob referring to the localmonero clone 14:25:19 yeah 14:25:25 I thought that's what you were talking about, mb 14:27:22 br-m https://github.com/moneroexamples/openmonero 14:28:57 plowsof, do you have any idea how to fix my issue with openmonero? that's the first time I am trying to set it up, there isn't any error in the logs so I don't know what is wrong 14:30:39 I have build v0.18.3.4 because I couldn't compile openmonero with latest monero version 14:32:21 i forgot about the localmonero clone who stole the name lol 14:32:49 johny_ honestly i would use monero-lws, or is there a specific reason you want to use openmonero instead of monero-lws 14:33:59 well I prefer not storing view key and use mariadb 14:35:55 is openmonero something supposed to be working? if it is not it would be great to write it on the github repo... 16:16:19 @kojikyo:matrix.org: Dvorak 16:16:20 It's good because people won't touch your computer (and in bonus you type faster) 16:16:20 It's anoying because you have to remap all the keys on most game you launch 16:20:44 BTW this reminds me of a funny flaw my keyboard has. I am very happy with it overall, and this could've been fixed with a new set of keycaps, but still amusing nobody caught this. 16:21:24 There is an RGB backlight... But the keycaps do not have transparent parts in them. So there's a light, but you still can't type in the dark unless you're capable of blind typing XD 16:22:54 Yeah, lot of keyboard have that flaw, It's by design (I think it's cheaper and it still have that RGB flashiness even if it's technically useless) 16:23:37 It's not useless in that it looks pretty. 16:24:05 Didn't know it was common)) 16:25:08 Yeah, like my first keyboard with a light back in the early 2000 16:25:08 It was before RGB so I went into a car shop and got a flexible neon thing and made my own. 16:25:08 But yeah, it's so it look pretty. 16:25:34 nice 16:25:36 BlueyHealer: I think that RGB keyboard with opaque keys, are more common than the one with transparent letters 16:26:09 I just never thought of that because my laptop keyboard doesn't have such a problem. 16:28:07 Now they have two type of lightning too 16:28:07 You have leds between the keys and leds "in the switchs" 16:28:07 The latter one are better if you have transparent cap (if you don't want the light to bleed all over but just want to see the keyboard letter illuminated) 17:48:29 Interesting, i didn't knew that one. It's really that fast that you would change from a classic one ? > <@ravfx:xmr.mx> Dvorak 17:48:52 @kojikyo:matrix.org: yes 17:49:25 Take about a month-ish to adjust, assuming your not touching other qwertys 17:50:00 @ravfx:xmr.mx: well i'll think about give it a try 17:50:28 qwerty have been designed to prevent jam in mecanical typewriter (and for marketing them) 17:50:50 It's just totally unoptimized for current day keyboards 17:52:35 @ravfx:xmr.mx: yeah i heard about it, it's just that i get so used to it and i hardly ever see people using different keyboard 17:53:24 Never met or talked to anyone who used dvorak. Its like seeing a unicorn! Haha 17:55:40 You've never seen a unicorn? 17:56:17 I have not 17:57:04 ..living under a rock, i suppose? 17:58:39 I guess I need to get out more 18:53:39 hi, can monerod accept spend proofs to deduct spent outputs from the final amount? 18:53:43 in a view-only wallet 19:13:34 Anybody tinker with RISC-V SBCs such as https://milkv.io/mars ? 19:14:41 @kekzploit:matrix.org: It's a waste of money 19:14:49 I tinker with RV and wanted to get a Mars but haven't yet 19:15:16 Most of my RV stuff is emulator and ISA + Verilog stuff 19:15:39 As somebody who is a fan of monero doing what it can given a given threat model, but also doesnt believe privacy exsists as devices are born compromised, i have become super interested in open source silicon, risc-v and verifiably clean hardware to the max extent it can be 19:16:09 @ravfx:xmr.mx: Whats wrong with it, im thinking about grabbing one 19:16:19 For the same price you can get a Thinkcentre 19:16:19 20x more oomph 19:16:19 can be upgraded to 64GB ram 19:16:19 can be upgraded to 16TB storage 19:16:20 Have 3 display output and like 6-7 USB[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/6tHg7scKUmVWMzcw ] 19:16:21 They also come with a metal case 19:16:22 instead of no case 19:16:39 @ravfx:xmr.mx: is it RISC-V? 19:18:26 Its the architecture im after, not just the fact is a SBC 19:18:26 @kekzploit:matrix.org: Who care, thgey have proprietary Risc-v chip 19:18:45