01:05:30 @elongated:matrix.org: Monero can be used for any type of transaction. ANY transaction. Memes are not needed. 01:16:37 test 01:16:37 Everything you've described is what DarkFi is planning to do. The future is a combination of XMR (like BTC, but actually used as cash) and DarkFi (like ETH, but with privacy). Don't turn XMR into a Rube Goldberg machine > <@elongated:matrix.org> Xmr can’t depend on cex 01:23:51 I also believe we shouldn't make monero more complicated than it already is. It will only increase attack surface. 01:27:22 @darkseid:matrix.darkseid.ch: test unsuccessful 01:38:14 @eddie:oblak.be: I agree. Allowing Monero swaps on an L1 or L2 would turn it into a financial platform, similar to how I see ETH. This would also open a regulatory can of worms 01:39:53 I don't know about regulatory 01:42:36 I never understood why cryptocurrencies are such a big deal for regulators. 01:45:31 @eddie:oblak.be: Zcash is the perfect example. For regulators like the SEC, if you don't put a stronghold on cryptocurrencies, you get whales (like the Winklevoss twins) who can pay off influencers and the like to manipulate a market (which is literally illegal) and swindle funds from unsuspecting buyers. Many people get scammed, and you can't simply call them "stupid" 01:45:50 Sure 01:46:04 But what I mean is that these rules already apply to tradfi 01:46:17 So you can just apply the rules 01:46:40 @eddie:oblak.be: This has happened before in gold and silver markets, where whales manipulate prices to trick unsuspecting people and swindle them. It also happened way back in 1929. This is precisely why financial regulation was introduced in the first place 01:46:56 I don't understand why scammers suddenly think that what is illegal in tradfi, would be legal "because we are using crypto" 01:51:13 @duckpondy:matrix.org: I will call them stupid tho 🧌 01:51:42 Better call 'm greedy 01:53:37 The problem with ETH and smartcontracts is that it attracts a lot of get rich quick people that launch LP's and whatnot to fast. And then vulnerabilities are exploited to drain contracts and so forth. 01:54:17 Even protocols that were audited multiple times might suffer from an overlooked vuln 01:54:48 But then again, ETH itself works as intended.. It's the applications written for it that have problems mostly 01:55:22 At least that's how I understand it. 01:56:04 A lot of these security problems, in my opinion, come from corporate pressure 01:56:30 @gan:skhron.org: It's unfair to call people stupid just for making comparisons. For example, when the S&P 500 is only up by X% while Zcash is climbing by Y%, it's natural to think the latter is a better investment. Some might even compare it to Bitcoin, especially considering the sheer number of paid influencers promoting it 01:56:45 The reality is that whales have private groups where they collude with market makers to decide when a market peak should end. Before you dismiss this, you should read the leaked chat logs from Do Kwon before his arrest. It shows how evil these people can be 01:58:48 . 02:15:18 @duckpondy:matrix.org: This is such a simpleton view of the supposed security, plainly unfathomable 02:57:14 https://www.web3isgoinggreat.com/ 04:43:30 vtnerd I just saw you did a new commit about lock_funds, thank you, I am going to try it 05:37:52 vtnerd I just finished some tests, it works better now but there is still the issue that it is not possible to send the funds right after the transaction is confirmed, I can see now locked_funds but when it is set to 0 I am still unable to spend my funds 05:42:36 vtnerd 30min after doing the tx, 16 conf, blockheight +15 still unable to spend my funds 05:55:45 Downloading the node is super-slow. I'm at 81% with a ETA of 4 days? 05:56:30 I've run through the usual suspects ie. Connectivity, CPU, memory 05:56:54 I'm using an SSD harddrive 05:58:58 Restarted daemon, system. No change. 05:59:59 robbin_da_hood with a good cpu and good bandwidth I can sync everything in less than 48hours but if you take bad vps with shared cpu it can take more than 1 month to sync 06:00:38 I'm using Ubuntu live, the system is running at 97% cpu 06:01:52 johny__: Thanks. What's the choke point? 06:02:29 robbin_da_hood I am also using debian based and for me it works fine, if you have good cpu then probably the issue is your internet service provider 06:02:59 johny__: I can watch video no problem 06:04:39 robbin_da_hood I never told you to watch video but do whatever you want ;-) 06:05:39 johny__: Right. But could the ISP throttle node specifically? 06:06:04 The daemon uses http right? 06:06:52 robbin_da_hood if you think you are victim of censorship from your internet service provider then you can try to sync your node with tor network 06:07:35 johny__: I thought that method was discouraged? 06:07:54 Abuse of tor, no? 06:09:07 robbin_da_hood I don't think so 06:09:14 I guess I could try torsocks 06:09:42 yes you run monerod with torsocks 06:10:00 you can also try to add ban list file 06:10:56 https://gui.xmr.pm/files/block.txt 06:11:39 How will a ban list help ? 06:12:01 robbin_da_hood at this point I advise you to read more 06:24:12 Torsos has a ipv4 binding error issue. I've included the bank list though. 06:33:03 robbin_da_hood I think you should set DNS_PUBLIC env variable and also --p2p-bind-ip 06:34:17 Adding the ban list has made it slower. Still a great idea though. 06:35:01 johny__: 🥰 06:43:55 btw in getmonero.org they are advertising cloudflare with 1.1.1.1 😈 06:46:22 I'm running: 06:46:59 DNS_PUBLIC=tcp TORSOCKS_ALLOW_INBOUND=1 torsocks ./monerod --p2p-bind-ip 127.0.0.1 --no-igd --hide-my-port --data-dir=N --ban-list=r.txt 06:47:49 Its running, but it's actually slower. 06:51:59 robbin_da_hood so it probably means you have no censorship from your isp, using tor usually make it slower 06:54:55 OK. Im at 80-ish percent. I guess I'll have to wait this out. Thanks, bro. 06:55:42 Shouldn't this channel be encrypted btw? 07:05:30 this channel is publicly logged 07:05:34 so it's useless to encrypt 07:05:41 usually it just causes problems 07:06:51 how much is tor worth? 53$? https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2025arXiv250910755L/abstract 07:49:49 Anyone in here using retoswap? Most offers on the list has a 15% deposit, but my offer has a much higher deposit. Does it matter? Can I change it somehow? 07:59:17 bd1472172: advanced options 07:59:31 and set the security deposit percentage there 08:00:23 i think it is adjusted to how risky the payment method is or something 08:00:33 like if you use paypal, your security deposit will be set higher by default 08:02:39 @bd1472172:matrix.org: may depend on trade size. play around with it, it doesnt cost anything before cofirming. solid exchange. 08:13:16 @modul8:matrix.org: Thanks. I was also under the impression it's using atomic swap for the XMRBTC pair. But that does not seem to be the case. 08:15:23 @bd1472172:matrix.org: no its not atomic swap. just be patient as the other party may not be online. the client doesnt have a proper notifications to a phone. if you are doing crypto/crypto its very easy to prove your case if there is ever a dispute. 08:26:28 Can I run my block chain node using an external HD plugged into my tails system? 08:27:50 sure 08:28:17 Run node on localhost? 08:28:28 I wouldn't recommend using a spinny drive if that's what you're asking 08:28:42 i agree with what jeffro256 08:28:46 said 08:28:53 Any extra precautions I should take? I'm using an ssd 08:29:03 but really, as long as there's sufficient space, you can store the blockchain anywhere 08:29:17 just that, it'll be terrible on a HDD 08:29:50 Torsocks + restricted rpc + ban list 08:30:00 robbin_da_hood: you don't need any precautions 08:30:06 as long as it's only you who's using it 08:30:13 I'm at 81% with a 7 day eta 08:30:34 Cindy: Thanks 08:30:48 you can bind monerod to 127.0.0.1 08:30:58 so that it only listens locally, instead of all IP addresses 08:31:10 (using --rpc-bind-ip 127.0.0.1) 08:31:14 then you wouldn't need restricted rpc 08:31:29 Hmmm 08:31:47 There'd have to be an outside sync though? 08:32:21 if you're not hosting a public monerod node, you don't need to expose the RPC port 08:32:45 restricted RPC is really for public monerod node hosters 08:33:05 I'd have no problem running a public node - through torsocks only 08:33:38 What's the smallest could device? 08:33:46 smallest could device? 08:34:27 also tails is designed for forgetfulness 08:34:31 and ephermeral sessions 08:34:32 monero etiquette 08:34:47 it doesn't really work well with hosting a public node, because you need 100% uptime or the best you can get 08:35:10 Right. It has a persistence feature though 08:35:25 Cindy: Agreed. Not on tails. 08:35:31 that's only really for files, not running tails 24/7 08:36:13 A mini computer with it's own cpu, WiFi + server daemon? 08:36:43 you need at least 4 GB of RAM 08:36:45 I need a mini-computer 08:36:49 or maybe 2 GB 08:37:04 Cindy: To run a node 08:37:09 yes 08:37:38 you have to factor in RandomX's RAM usage, which is like 256MB for mini 08:37:48 or 2GB for full 08:38:15 monerod will probably use light mode anyway 08:38:28 but it'll be nice to have a buffer for it 08:38:58 like more than enough RAM 08:40:03 Mini computers are more expensive than actual computers. Lol. 08:40:52 just buy a raspberry pi 08:40:57 or some ARM SBC 08:41:20 you could even expose the node behind a hidden service, if you care about tor a lot 08:43:11 Cindy: Good call. $200 for a desktop. Not bad. 08:44:17 i don't actually know the SD slot is fast enough for proper perfromance 08:44:34 with constant reads and writes to the blockchain data 08:44:43 nor the endurance 08:45:55 but raspberry pi is pretty extensible, and there are mods that allow you to hook on NVMe/SSD drives 08:47:00 At the moment im getting a write every 10 seconds > i don't actually know the SD slot is fast enough for proper perfromance 08:47:25 ...at best 08:48:54 apparently it has 104MB/s read speed 08:49:16 If I move to another WiFi connection. Will it download faster? 08:49:30 which is actually pretty terrible 08:49:43 It's getting slower 08:49:47 robbin_da_hood: use a high-speed ethernet cable 08:49:59 Hmmm 08:50:08 more reliable 08:51:29 I'm not sure i have one. Can you give me a % guesstimate that'll work? Is it worthwhile buying one 🤔 08:51:45 This is the default > (using --rpc-bind-ip 127.0.0.1) 08:52:34 robbin_da_hood: depends on your network card but like 08:53:08 but if you get a CAT5e cable then it should be really really good 08:53:49 For 200, u can buy a much more powerful minipc > <@robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Good call. $200 for a desktop. Not bad. 08:53:54 So the WiFi connection is the choke point? 08:54:20 @ofrnxmr: Do tell? 08:54:21 yes, unless you move your computer closer to the WiFi signal 08:54:54 Cindy: It's only 1m away 08:55:12 @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: Not likely. Probably your storage device 08:55:25 Its ssd though 08:55:43 is it a NVMe? 08:55:47 what does sync_info show 09:01:11 @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CQ4RYC3X/ example 09:01:41 @ofrnxmr: Which info in particular ? 09:01:51 Status OK 09:02:07 Untrusted false 09:02:11 is your SSD connected over SATA or NVMe 09:02:44 Cindy: I have it plugged into the usb 09:02:55 usb? 09:03:14 is it a USB 3.0? 09:03:18 at least? 09:03:28 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Not Available in Europe 09:03:40 pls don't be USB 1.0 or 2.0 09:03:44 Cindy: Could be USB 2 09:03:51 Old system 09:04:03 that's actually pretty shit 09:04:17 2x slower than a HDD over SATA 09:04:28 1 List of ips youre connected to > <@robbin_da_hood:matrix.org> Which info in particular ? 09:04:28 2 {number}mbs queud in {number} spans 09:04:28 3 [moooooooo] 09:04:28 4 list of queue 09:04:28 [... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/gZSGgskKYzgwNFZs ] 09:04:36 Cindy: Needs must. Still USB 2 can handle more data than this 09:06:19 no really it can't 09:06:34 even on a HDD connected internally, it struggles 09:06:37 USB 2.0 is even worse 09:08:58 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I see "overview: mooooo...." I don't see "mbs queud" 09:09:02 the monero balance shown on cake wallet is different than the one on monero wallet cli for the same account 09:09:02 why? 09:09:53 mrpump: try rescanning the blockchain 09:10:02 it probably missed some outputs 09:10:04 @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: Immediately above mooo 09:11:03 Cindy: I did same balance every time 09:11:04 and no it didn't miss some outputs 09:11:04 every transaction is there just with trimmed out amount 09:11:04 I think the issue is with cake 09:11:14 @mrpump:matrix.org: Different restore height, hardware wallet, or view-only wallet? 09:12:22 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: it's the same seed phrase 09:12:40 but what's the restore height 09:12:43 I didnt ask that 09:13:49 Cindy: I've shutdown the system. Ill run it on a better computer. 09:14:43 ah yes thanks it maybe missed older transactions 09:14:45 thanks 09:17:29 @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: The question was for mrpump 09:27:51 07:55:42 <+br-m> Shouldn't this channel be encrypted btw? 09:27:53 most channels are bridged to IRC 09:27:55 hi from IRC 09:27:59 yes 09:28:08 i forgot i tell you all something 09:28:09 bridge could support encrypted channels. but then it'd decrypt them publicly making it useless 09:28:12 i am a IRC user 09:28:29 DataHoarder: also btw this is publicly logged 09:48:52 I'm getting a 'blockchain is on a rotating drive, this will be slow' error. The chain is on a ssd though? 09:49:22 The monerod daemon and --data-dir are both on an ssd 09:49:27 is it detecting based off of the speed 09:49:55 Hmmm 09:50:18 Unless someone changes it since, it goes by whatever the kernel reports, not speed. 09:50:51 Its definitely an ssd 09:51:22 Via USB though, driver might say nope. 09:51:29 It runs faster on my new system, on try without gnome 09:51:56 yeah it checks using the kernel sysfiles 09:52:05 moneromoooo: Right. Via USB. 09:52:08 the autodetection sometimes is wrong 09:52:31 2 days left as opposed to 7.4 on my other system. 09:52:47 See kernel info with: cat /sys/dev/block/*/queue/rotational 09:54:33 moneromoooo: A load of zeros, then a 1 09:55:57 Then match the major/minor for the 1 with the device, see if that's where the db is. 09:56:39 moneromoooo: No idea? 09:57:22 It just says '1' 09:57:26 You should have /dev device names in /sys/dev/block/* 09:57:45 Then see what's mounted there. 09:58:52 Nothing useful from above. 09:58:52 du -h lists my ssd as mounted on /dev/sda1 09:59:26 Bus 2 device 3 10:01:14 I have, eg: /sys/dev/block/A:B/queue/rotational (A and B are placeholders, replace with whatever gives you a 1 in that pseudo file) 10:01:28 Then, ls /sys/dev/block/A:B/ 10:01:45 You should have device names, I have xvdc3 for example. 10:01:56 Then mount | grep xvdc3 10:03:16 robbin_da_hood: do cat /sys/block/sda/dev 10:03:25 OK. Ill just leave this for a while. Hopefully I'll have the full node by Monday. Thanks for your help bro... 😉 10:03:56 Cindy: 8:0 10:04:04 then it's /sys/dev/block/8:0 10:04:13 most likely 10:04:47 ? 10:05:20 do cat /sys/dev/block/8:0/queue/rotational 10:06:03 No such file or dir 10:06:13 huh 10:06:48 Just means it's not rotational? 10:06:53 worked for me in my system, can you do ls /sys/dev/block/ 10:07:39 My bad 10:07:43 Typo 10:07:48 ah 10:07:54 1 > do cat /sys/dev/block/8:0/queue/rotational 10:08:05 okay then your SSD is reporting itself as a HDD 10:08:09 to the kernel 10:08:22 Ouch 10:09:04 It says 'SSD' on the hd. Maybe I need to install proprietary drivers? 10:09:11 Might just be the usb layer. 10:09:23 ^ 10:10:00 Change USB port? 10:10:14 what adaptor are you using 10:10:21 if it's not an external SSD 10:10:29 Could be, if not all USB ports can do USB 3 or whatever. 10:11:21 Cindy: USB c to usb 10:16:51 The external ssd is formatted as exfat? 10:19:24 are you trying to maintain windows compatibility with the data in your SSD? 10:19:42 Is there another way to connect an external ssd besides USB? 10:21:27 depends on what port your SSD has 10:21:31 @robbin_da_hood:matrix.org: There is something called eSATA but it's not so common. 10:21:35 is it NVMe? or SATA? 10:21:55