00:51:18 hello 00:52:50 i'm looking for spirobel and getting concerned 00:53:17 it's been over 2 weeks with no response in private dm, and i find this suspicious happening after he got death threats. has anyone seen any recent activity or heard if he's alright? 01:05:57 http://github.com/spirobel 01:05:59 no commits in a long time 01:13:13 @pinchas:nope.chat: Sometimes, developers need to take a break 01:13:18 pinchas there where zero commits between end of july mid august so inactivity is not out of the ordinary 01:14:12 i know, but when you add the context of him not responding to dms from me or other people he's close with, it's worrying 01:15:45 He's probably fine. Sometimes people burn out and need to take a break from everything 01:19:04 okay... i'm just asking if someone has seen spirobel. there's no need to be condescending 01:47:45 @pinchas:nope.chat: He posted on xwitter and then took a breaky 02:23:49 crazy amounts of i2p nodes being added https://monero.fail/?chain=monero&network=mainnet&type=i2p - prob our friends at chainalysis 02:32:13 wild part is they have different downtimes 02:59:54 @lza_menace: Weird af 03:01:07 @lza_menace: I don't think Chainanal makes sense. As seen in that leaked video, they would host clearnet nodes to track IP addresses and connect that with other metadata they have 03:03:57 linkinglion, we know for fact runs i2p servers 03:04:37 How is that useful for them? 03:04:42 running i2p relays and nodes gives them potentially 2 or more hops 03:05:24 you can track tor/i2p if you control all of the hops 03:06:28 Running the nodes they can set their own hops to 0 03:06:30 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I'm pretty sure that's not possible with I2P, given how many nodes there are (more than Tor), and with Tor, they have trusted guard nodes to prevent that from happening 03:06:45 So instead of 6 total, its only 3 03:06:58 The probability of them controlling all hops is basically 0 03:07:30 the monero node i2p can be set to 0 hops 03:07:42 Meaning there are only 3 hops 03:07:43 ☠️ 03:07:51 What is the default value? 03:08:01 Of those 3, there are probably 5000+ spy relays run by the same entity 03:08:20 @duckpondy:matrix.org: 3in 3 out = 6 total 03:09:10 you can reduce both sides to 0, to have a fast, encrypted tunnel, w/o privacy 03:10:14 The best thing to do is host your own node anyway. I don't recommend using remote nodes at all, though I guess you could use one for the initial sync 03:11:30 Apparently, you'll soon be able to torrent the chain, which will be cool to see 03:11:39 Yeah, im just pointing out that a spy company that runs spynodes on xmr and btc, uses those exact same domaibs to run spy i2p relays 03:11:55 It wouldnt make much sense to run i2p relays, and not also run nodes/exits, so they can monitor the payload 03:14:02 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Didn't 0xB10C suggest Dandelion++ to protect against this for BTC? Isn't that what Monero uses? 03:14:44 Dandelion doesnt work if you're sybilled 03:15:22 Also doesnt work if you dont have incoming connections 03:15:39 But I remember 0xB10C proposing D++ specifically to address the LinkingLion issue 03:16:14 It helps, for sure. But its not a fool-proof solution 03:16:16 https://b10c.me/observations/06-linkinglion/ 03:16:29 > A solution might be Dandelion (in particular, Dandelion++ or some modification of it), where transactions are first transmitted to another node, which then broadcasts it. Dandelion++ is beeing used in Monero since 2020. An implementation attempt in Bitcoin Core did not succeed primarily due to DoS and complexity concerns. 03:17:08 If you have real incoming connections and real outgoing connections, you have plausibly deny that you are the origin 03:17:24 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: If LinkingLion controls a majority of the nodes on the network, I guess that's where it doesn't work? 03:17:34 But lacking incoming connections = every stem you send will always be you as the origin 03:18:00 @duckpondy:matrix.org: They do control the majority of the ips 03:18:26 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Right, so the nodes you host must be public to receive incoming connections? 03:19:18 > Transaction broadcast over privacy networks like Tor is not affected if done correctly. A strategy is to broadcast a transaction to a node on the Tor network using a fresh connection and then close the connection right after. > <@duckpondy:matrix.org> https://b10c.me/observations/06-linkinglion/ 03:19:35 and need to have good outgoing connections 03:19:49 Does Monero automatically do this? 03:20:28 @duckpondy:matrix.org: No, we have tx-relay 03:21:03 Tx-relay uses a diff circuit for each outgoing onion peer, and you can also fluff directly to all peers at once 03:21:21 It doesnt drop connection as soon as tx is relayed 03:22:07 tx-relay adds plausible deniability to nodes that dont have incoming connections 03:22:19 I was wondering: if you host an I2P/Tor node but don't have any real incoming or outgoing traffic, could it still be traced back to you? 03:22:21 Technicall anonymous-inbound 03:22:49 Since you can have incoming stem phase txs via anonymous inbound 03:23:32 Anonymous-inbound means that your node will still stem txs to clearnet, even if you have no incoming clearnet peers 05:10:55 FYI - https://www.themoneromoon.com/p/the-monero-moon-issue-83 05:24:42 if some1 has a large amount of xmr recenly obtained what is a good way to cash out a family member died and i have inherited this 05:30:29 crazy redaction 😂 05:30:55 Maybe he found how to dump 05:31:20 I would run some tests on retoswap and gain confidence in a process 05:31:24 Room is on IRC. There is ton using bouncer that log, deletion is futile 05:31:49 really depend of the location at the end 06:21:45 Okay #Monero community, time to put up or shut up. 06:21:46 I WILL be a customer if SOMEONE offers household items priced directly in Monero on #XMRBazaar. 06:21:46 Examples include[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/7YSYosoKV3IwQ0dt ] 06:59:02 What is the delivery location? 08:23:04 v0.18.4.4 binaries are now available at getmonero.org 08:24:41 binaryFate: Does this mean we can torrent the Monero blockchain? 08:25:41 you could... already do so in previous versions? 08:25:45 i mean blockchain syncing is P2P 08:26:45 https://libroot.org/posts/getmoneroorg-will-soon-have-torrents/ 08:26:53 Talking about this ^ 08:27:25 that's for monero binaries 08:27:37 making torrents of the monero blockchain would be horribly inefficient 08:27:55 Oops yeah used the wrong term 08:28:03 since torrents are meant to be immutable, you'd have to keep making new torrents at a interval to catch up 08:32:13 Random insight: When people bring up Satoshi's ring signature post on bitcointalk, I always think of this email where he calls anonymity "shady" 08:32:18 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/BsZPDAvxHfzwuyzEmpHHqeNT.png (a.png) 08:32:21 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/TuozoMXufbcSGIDlaSQAKeBm.png (b.png) 08:33:53 "no central authority to take your ID info" 08:34:04 satoshi couldn't look to the future 08:37:29 Regardless of who they were, Satoshi was clearly intelligent. They understood concepts like Tor and Bitcoin's privacy weaknesses long before Silk Road 08:39:34 i mean tbh 08:39:41 tor wasn't a new thing 08:39:54 and bitcoin's privacy weaknesses were well-understood back then 08:45:33 what if it was intentionally left that way because the fed is satoshi? and they used the real inventor behind it to make it just to ditch them leave em behind later? 08:47:06 i think BTC mixers existed back then 08:47:14 before silk road even 09:28:00 Bitcoin Fog (first mixer) was released a few months after Silk Road 09:33:09 jtrag: jtrag I don't think Satoshi was related to an intelligence agency. His reaction to a CIA talk given by another developer, Jeff Garzik, is the best evidence. When Garzik announced the talk in 2011, Satoshi himself replied saying it was the wrong kind of attention. An intelligence agent would not publicly criticize their [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/_ezUp8oKMWRnWE92 ] 09:33:15 He was likely just a talented cryptographer, similar to today's Monero contributors, who figured out how to improve eCash 09:34:35 that's before Gavin took over 09:34:58 Cindy You were right about Tor. I didn't know it was this popular among early users 09:35:05 the "4 satoshis" lol pfft 09:35:09 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/lDDDRjWXcMfnLpLTHIdLyJac.png (image.png) 09:35:14 fucking feds 09:36:17 I feel so used 09:36:24 The new Bitcoin Core may be suspicious, but Satoshi and early contributors like Hal were not 09:36:31 like a dirty slut that gets tossed out in the morning 09:36:34 :P 09:41:53 It's alright, and feds aren't the worst, as they also help contribute and have resources to get a project going. Remember, we wouldn't have the internet without DARPA, Tor without the US Navy, or even cryptocurrency without the draft paper by the NSA and PQC with their standards. I think the criticisms are sometimes overstated, and we should have a balanced perspective 09:43:37 I don't recommend going down the extremist path; it doesn't help a project grow. Have a healthy dose of skepticism 09:46:38 fuck glowniggers 09:46:52 My working on Monero is an answer to the panopticon extremism that I've seen creep up and up and up. 09:47:11 duckpondy is a glownigger. we run over glowniggers 09:47:28 destroy glowniggers. gtfo glownigger 09:47:49 This is exactly what I mean 09:47:56 kys glownigger were going to dox you next 09:48:16 we know your moves glownigger 09:48:46 terry is always watching ‪✝︎✞ 09:49:13 impostor back plowsof 09:49:29 Only in Monero do you get to see this many schizophrenics 09:49:42 literally T R I G G E R E D 09:49:51 @duckpondy:matrix.org: Facebook comment sections 09:50:15 Maybe there's a correlation between Facebook and Monero users you never know 09:51:31 Hey guys 09:52:06 I am a civilian that saw your conversation from the fed honeypot known as discord. But I had to chime in here for a second 09:52:14 duckpondy is a fucking glow nigger 09:52:34 Please stop it 09:52:43 fuck you, fuck the IRS, fuck the us government, and fuck niggers 09:53:12 don't engage them, duckpondy 09:53:22 the impostor lives on this 09:53:31 @duckpondy:matrix.org: Stop what? You exposed yourself 09:53:40 I'm not feeding trolls, so this is my last message. It's annoying and not funny. Make better use of your time by doing something productive rather than harassing people 09:53:54 This is what gets them off :) 09:54:09 That's fair. Stop preaching being moderate. Is so annoying and unproductive 09:54:26 Pinged @plowsof:matrix.org already but yeah, it'll take a bit. Usual 09:54:38 The government will have you kill if you threaten their monopoly. We don't need more moderates like you 09:55:50 thanks 09:56:01 Look, I just came here to call out that extremely suspect opinion. I am not going to "harrass" anyone and I dont even want to participate in this discussion. 09:56:19 @alchemistaa:matrix.org: ok 09:56:48 plowsof: I can behave. Dont worry about me 09:58:00 10:52:43 <+br-m> alchemistaa:matrix.org fuck you, fuck the IRS, fuck the us government, and fuck niggers 09:58:00 10:52:14 <+br-m> alchemistaa:matrix.org duckpondy is a fucking glow nigger 09:58:00 So why not behave according to the policies we have to follow due to being on Libera.Chat? https://libera.chat/policies/ 09:58:44 > Both by our values and Swedish law, discrimination based on faith, ethnicity, sexual orientation, sex or gender expression, disability, or age is not permitted. Your personal values (e.g. religious, political, …) do not protect you if you participate in discrimination. 09:58:44 > Inciting violence is not allowed. The same goes for any other behaviour meant to deliberately harass, alarm, or distress a person. We also do not tolerate libel and defamation. 09:58:44 > While we believe in the concept of freedom of thought and freedom of expression, Libera.Chat does not operate on the basis of absolute freedom of speech, and we impose limitations based on the above rules. 10:00:02 @datahoarder: In all fairness to me, like I said I am not usually on matrix and my etiquette (or understanding of how these chats work) is zero. I was also very triggered by that federal agent casual "opinion" 10:00:49 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/jibTEbQxlUzjfiXujJPHBAZB.png (image.png) 10:00:50 Thanks plowsof 10:00:57 was left typing. Thanks as well 10:02:12 Oh wait, you're on Matrix too, datahoarder? I didn't know 10:02:14 I thought you were only on IRC 10:02:17 I'm everywhere 10:02:32 This conversation is so funny with non-US context :D 10:02:44 How do you have time for this with a job 😭 10:03:20 sadly I need mental challenges to sleep well so I end up in more esoteric places and projects over time 10:03:29 also. non-US :) 10:03:43 there's time, vacations, and time off work every day 10:03:54 also unrestrained autism 10:04:10 Good point 10:04:14 when swapping with basicswap, it looks like by default it does create a new addresses (for both btc/xmr wallets), is that right? (also if there is a better place to ask that question, plesase let me know) 10:06:08 "I am not usually on matrix and my etiquette (or understanding of how these chats work) is zero" 😅 10:06:17 jah: Yes, and it's fine to ask here, since BasicSwap doesn't have an IRC channel - only #basicswap:matrix.org 10:07:20 ofrnxmr, who created the install script and works closely with the team, is the expert on BasicSwap. He can probably answer your questions when he's online. I've only done a few swaps myself, but I'll try my best to help 10:08:43 @plowsof:matrix.org: > I am a civilian that saw your conversation from the fed honeypot known as discord 10:08:43 How are messages from Discord being read here? Is there a bridge I can look at? 10:10:04 there was a view-only bot added to offtopic yesterday... br-ds-geld <--- the cause of our troubles ? 10:10:29 thank you duckpondy 10:12:15 they said people were moving away due to being unjustly banned or something, so maybe that's why these people are coming from there? 10:12:34 afaik the current Discord set up more moderation to remain under the allowed policies and not get closed down 10:13:36 if it's one way (Matrix/IRC -> Discord only, they don't talk back) I can probably add that to my own bridge as a free extra, so it could stay under one bridge alone 10:13:49 ah thats likely then, also , if suddenly the messages here are being bridged since yesterday? 10:14:05 given I'm already setup as an appservice on monero.social 10:14:11 plowsof: I'll see if they're violating any ToS and report accordingly. This behavior needs to stop 10:14:33 you are suddenly seeing plowsofs dumb messages in your discord and you can't insult him directly? thats terrible 10:15:45 I've reported trolls on Discord before, and it's easy to get them banned without enough evidence 10:15:56 that's not a good Discord quality 10:16:21 Libera and Matrix seem to be more lenient 10:16:34 glownigger do you want to start a war? 10:16:37 don't end up in flame wars with report waves 10:16:46 hahaha I think this might be the impostor 10:16:51 glownigger we will dox you and drive to your house and run over you glownigger 10:16:54 > electrologic.org 10:17:16 Open registration again https://electrologic.org/info/matrix/ 10:17:33 > It is expected by each user to following decent behaviour and not conduct illegal activities (Germany jurisdiction) on this server. That means it is not a space for racists, facists and all other assholes. If there are substantiated complaints about a user of this service, the user will be banned. 10:17:48 datahoarder stop supporting a glownigger 10:17:54 sad services like this get abused against the wishes of the owners 10:18:05 duckpondy is a fascist fed 10:18:26 kys glownigger 10:18:27 @freealchemistaa:electrologic.org: What you're saying is illegal, and I'm collecting all of this as evidence. I'm not afraid to report you. Go ahead and try whatever you want. I don't care 10:18:44 I don't care about duckpondy or whatever I am just having fun with all of these times to ping plowsof :D 10:18:47 only glowniggers report fucking faggot sus glownigger 10:18:49 and sad how it ends up burdening others 10:19:22 we got your email duckpondy nigger your house address is next 10:19:37 notice the password resets? glowniggers arent immune to us 10:19:43 lets uh, separate for a second 10:20:19 Is it possible to filter key words? 10:20:42 See /ignore, use -pattern 10:21:07 Thank you 10:22:03 it could be auto-quiet pending moderator review :) 10:24:03 They listed a contact detail so I poked the owner of electrologic.org to tell them someone is abusing their open registration, for their own info, up to them what they want to do 10:24:46 plowsof: ban bans, but it doesn't kick them 10:25:35 datahoarder ill speak kindly 10:26:04 duckpondy is a strain of fed who tried to kill spirobel 10:26:37 stop supporting fascists and dont let these feds take over monero 10:26:46 thanks 10:27:19 be careful out there we have to be extreme because it weeds out the feds 10:28:51 temp defed for electrologic + discord view only bridge kick/ban 10:30:50 we have a few minutes to grab some refreshments and use the toilet before the action resumes 10:30:53 We have spy nodes on Monero and spy nodes on Matrix 10:34:48 > changed the server ACLs 10:34:50 damn 10:36:16 let us know if the electrologic admin says hello 😅 10:36:58 there are some legit users although inactive, from the homeserver here so its temp ofc 10:37:51 br-ds-geld is in 4 other rooms 10:38:27 #monero-offtopic:monero.social, #monero-research-lounge:monero.social, #monero-research-lab:monero.social, and #monero-community:monero.social 10:39:01 otherwise duckpondy you did appear from nowhere 10:39:29 the puppet master doing some pen testing? 10:39:50 What 😭 10:55:48 the defed broke the DMs with the admin plowsof :D 10:57:10 DataHoarder: Would you be able to ask the admin if they have any identifiable information on these trolls? 10:57:20 I'm curious to take a look 10:57:49 unable, and no. Feel free to do that, I'm no PI or similar. I go as far as their instance policies are concerned given they list them 10:58:00 literally DMs are broken 10:58:12 What is the admin's account? 10:59:16 Because this is illegal behavior, it needs to be taken seriously. I can message them myself 10:59:40 see https://electrologic.org/info/matrix/ 11:00:18 seems making an unencrypted room then inviting them worked 11:06:59 They joined but are not responding to messages 😭 11:30:00 (removed) 11:30:00 (removed) 11:30:16 (removed) 11:30:16 (removed) 11:32:55 (removed) 11:34:52 literally I was the one getting the accounts that harassed spirobel off lol. Same threats as when putting https://github.com/WeebDataHoarder/Monero-Timeline-Sep14 up 11:35:05 same entity as the threats back then to take that report off? 11:35:35 (removed) 11:35:40 (removed) 11:37:23 Doxxing, harassment, and violent threats - everything you've done is illegal, you know that? I have collected all this evidence, and once the electrologic admin provides your IP addresses and other metadata, you're done 11:37:47 (removed) 11:38:02 (removed) 11:38:34 You sound scared 11:39:06 so where is that tweet you promised long ago? Posted it yet? 11:41:27 (removed) 11:41:45 (removed) 11:41:54 from electrologic.org admin > I only have an IP, it's the same guy with all three accounts. 11:41:59 get a life :D 11:45:36