01:28:39 <DataHoarder> this tx paid 0.11 XMR https://p2pool.io/explorer/tx/00357287bcdbd34587d6a97727e00bb4ab80f90e908ed1f3bb4f94d524988cf4
01:28:47 <DataHoarder> as fee, huh
01:32:44 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> Is it just me or is this redirecting to 127.0.0.1
01:32:51 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> Using tor btw
01:36:33 <DataHoarder> it works here
01:36:42 <DataHoarder> it also has a .onion available
03:57:23 <DataHoarder> added DoubleScalarMult + MultiScalarMult to Point implementation, which I assume will be useful :)
08:16:47 <sech1> ofrnxmr try a different browser agent (latest Chrome user agent would do) if you connect from tor
14:53:11 <puffybuf> why does watch only wallet show out transfers as in? and it has the wrong balance
14:53:29 <puffybuf> why give the wrong balance? just say unknown...
14:53:50 <puffybuf> I have to import_key_images to get the right balance to show
14:54:45 <br-m> <aillia:matrix.org> Happy RandomX Day!
14:55:17 <br-m> <aillia:matrix.org> https://xcancel.com/themerit0crat/status/1994989877524394335
14:57:21 <Cindy_> always a ragebaiter in the replies
14:57:27 <Cindy_> twitter like always
14:58:23 <br-m> <aillia:matrix.org> ignore or mute
14:59:35 <Cindy_> puffybuf: because it's hard to figure out outgoing transfers in view-only wallets?
15:00:04 <Cindy_> this is a flaw of cryptonote's design (and something that carrot is planning to fix)
15:01:55 <Cindy_> for now, you have to import key images for any spending transactions
15:02:10 <puffybuf> well I'd like it to just say unknown, but it gives an incorrect balance delta
15:02:29 <Cindy_> if it says unknown, what's the point of having a view-only option
15:02:34 <Cindy_> it'll say unknown all the time
15:03:07 <Cindy_> having it say unknown when there's a out transfer requires it to KNOW that it's a outgoing transfer in the first place
15:03:10 <Cindy_> which is impossible
15:03:48 <Cindy_> otherwise i'm sure it would be able to deduct the amount from the balance if it did
15:05:21 <Cindy_> i think the transfer that shows up as incoming is the change output
15:06:40 <Cindy_> (when you send a transaction with a output bigger than the amount you want to send, monero will split it into 2 outputs. one going to the address you put in, and the other going back to yourself as change)
15:14:03 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @aillia:matrix.org: Ive beem doing the opposite this whole time 😭
15:15:20 <DataHoarder> puffybuf: it only knows incoming txs. when you make a transfer, you send change to yourself. that's also an incoming tx
15:15:28 <DataHoarder> you need to tell it which inputs have been spent by importing key images
15:15:39 <Cindy_> oh so i was right :o
16:08:39 <Laris> hello, may I please get a suggestion for some bulletproof hosting with monero as one of the payment methods
16:09:51 <Cindy_> bulletproof hosting?
16:09:57 <Cindy_> wtf does that mean
16:10:08 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> laris: What do you mean by bullet proof? Unless you find something in Russia, most providers aren't going to prison for you
16:10:21 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> Check out kycnot.me, but don't expect "bulletproof"
16:11:07 <Cindy_> most providers have their own rules
16:12:11 <Cindy_> also all VPSes have to abide by their own nation's laws
16:12:49 <BlueyHealer> Unless you find something in Russia <- How is it different there? The hosters there also seem strict.
16:13:42 <BlueyHealer> Like, I know that some of them go by MUCH less strict blocklists than regular ISPs, and some get away with things just because no one's looking... But honestly, don't know a lot about thw VPS scene.
16:14:02 <Cindy_> at the very least, datacenters in russia will turn a blind eye to pirated or copyrighted content
16:14:10 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> I'm assuming he wants something bullet proof from the West, and I don't see Russia caring about markets, phishing, etc any time soon
16:14:25 <Cindy_> but anything super illegal, they will also not hesitate to take down your service
16:14:25 <BlueyHealer> Like, renting it or a domain KYCless would be illegal, but apparently there are resellers to get around that.
16:14:49 <BlueyHealer> Cindy_, yeah, fair. Although apparently some really big ones do respond to complaints.
16:15:38 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> BlueyHealer: Realistically, it's a lot harder for the authorities to take down something if it's hosted in Russia. Apart from taking the person running it down, of course
16:16:07 <BlueyHealer> I mean for the authorities there.
16:16:08 <Cindy_> depends on the content you're hosting
16:16:13 <BlueyHealer> yea
16:16:21 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> *Western authorities
16:16:25 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> US or whatever
16:16:50 <BlueyHealer> I know 100% that paying for goods in crypto is illegal there. But I think there can be resellers.
16:17:00 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> Cindy_: The average skid would be fine on hosting in russia
16:17:18 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> which is the case here
16:17:45 <Cindy_> skid, yeah sure
16:18:07 <Cindy_> but pedos, go fuck yourself
16:18:17 <Cindy_> literally nobody will take you
16:18:20 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> well the person originally asking the question is presumably a skid. Only skids say bulletproof really
16:18:22 <BlueyHealer> skid would be burnt elsewhere because they don't know what they're doing lol
16:18:34 <Cindy_> which is why i said "depends"
16:18:48 <Cindy_> and i really do hope they aren't a pedo
16:20:13 <BlueyHealer> good thing about criminals is that they do usually make mistakes)
16:27:01 <nioc> Sounds like people 
16:31:40 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> Guys I need 300 Monero for some personal stuff and a project, if interested please do DM me, scammers please do stay away and don't waste my time
16:35:29 <DataHoarder> I also need 300 monero
16:35:38 <Cindy_> i also need 300 monero
16:35:57 <Cindy_> it's for some personal stuff and a project too
16:36:04 <br-m> <aillia:matrix.org> I also need 300 monero
16:36:26 <Cindy_> get in the "i also need 300 monero" line
16:36:30 <Cindy_> it's pretty long
16:36:41 <nioc> I need 3000 monero
16:36:55 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> Lol
16:37:07 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> As expected
16:37:35 <nioc> glad that we met your expectations  :)
16:38:46 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> nioc: Nah mate you exceeded it lol
16:39:05 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> Guys I really need 299 monero, please give me 299 monero dear sirs, its less than 300 moneros
16:39:28 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> @nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev: Pajeeeeeeeeet
16:39:29 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> 🤣
16:39:59 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> Btw subaddress can generated on cake wallet right?
16:40:10 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> Didn't say sars, or I'd get banned for racism or smthng
16:40:15 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> @victor5577:matrix.org: yeah
16:40:43 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> I didn't understand the difference, subaddress can't be traced?
16:41:15 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> It starts with 8 right?
16:41:20 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> yes
16:41:25 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> primary starts with 4
16:41:30 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> Cool thanks
16:41:42 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> Well they can't be traced to the extent that primary addresses can't be, afaik, someone correct me if I'm wrong
16:42:53 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> Then why the difference? 😅
16:43:05 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> Sorry if I'm over asking lol
16:43:09 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> Outgoing transactions come from the primary address
16:43:11 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> @victor5577:matrix.org: nw
16:43:56 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> the purpose of this room is to discuss monero, so go for it
16:44:02 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> @nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev: Ohhhhhh now I got it, thanks
16:45:42 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> I was actually looking out various privacy centered coins, like Zcash, Dash etc
16:45:42 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> And came to the conclusion that none of them come even close to Monero
16:46:00 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> Tell me if I'm wrong
16:50:30 <DataHoarder> 17:40:43 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> I didn't understand the difference, subaddress can't be traced?
16:50:32 <DataHoarder> it's not about tracing
16:50:34 <DataHoarder> it's not like zcash where different addresses have different methods
16:50:50 <DataHoarder> this is just a way to have different addresses land in same wallet. all addresses cannot be traced
16:51:31 <DataHoarder> main address is what originally existed, subaddresses encode information (and derive outputs) so they land in your wallet properly without having to create another wallet
16:51:33 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> @victor5577:matrix.org: actually I may be incorrect abotu that
16:51:44 <DataHoarder> basically you give a different one per incoming tx
16:51:50 <DataHoarder> 17:43:09 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> Outgoing transactions come from the primary address
16:51:51 <DataHoarder> ^ no
16:52:05 <br-m> <nthpyrodev:nthpyro.dev> right thanks for the correction
16:52:06 <nioc> you can give different addresses to different people/entities and the txs will end up in the same wallet 
16:52:07 <DataHoarder> outgoing txs come from the one-time spend key that the output got derived
16:53:00 <DataHoarder> which is your wallet spend private key + an one-time private key (which is what the one-time pub is on chain)
16:53:17 <nioc> those people/entities can't collude to figure out how much you received 
16:53:20 <DataHoarder> that being spend pub + output random pub = one-time pubkey
16:53:40 <DataHoarder> subaddresses allow that to exist while not giving the main address to everyone
16:54:21 <nioc> keep your main address private 
16:55:51 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> Thanks for the info everyone 🙌🏻
18:55:35 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> Is this group usually this silent?
18:56:10 <Cindy_> yes
18:56:26 <Cindy_> because when people have nothing to say... they stay quiet
18:56:29 <Cindy_> :OOOO
18:56:41 <br-m> <lostish:matrix.org> 👀
19:00:01 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> Cindy_: Krazyyyyy
19:00:13 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> Say something
19:00:19 <Cindy_> something
19:00:39 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> Say I love you
19:02:11 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> So y'all here are programmers?
19:02:19 <Cindy_> yes
19:02:38 <br-m> <lostish:matrix.org> ye
19:02:49 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> Niceeeeeeeeeee
19:03:01 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> What languages do y'all know?
19:05:38 <br-m> <lostish:matrix.org> know how? languages ​​you've studied or know by name?
19:05:52 <br-m> <bienzito:nope.chat> @victor5577:matrix.org: Nope
19:06:56 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> @lostish:matrix.org: I mean the programming languages, like c++, Java, html etc
19:07:19 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> @bienzito:nope.chat: Haha me too, I'm a sales guy lol
19:29:29 <nioc> I last programmed with AlgolW using punch cards 
19:36:03 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> nioc: I have zero idea about what that is 😅
19:36:45 <nioc> no reason why you should  :D
21:26:49 <Cindy_> victor5577: i write m68k assembly, C/C++, rust, go, crystal, many others i think
21:34:46 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> Cindy_: Wow genius, I know nothing about all these 🤯
22:02:45 <DataHoarder> which ones do you know? what generalized one/what's your area?
22:24:23 <br-m> <victor5577:matrix.org> DataHoarder: I'm a complete sales guy, I'm trying to get into SaaS