10:23:51 What is private swap on baltex 10:25:36 a scam 10:26:10 Monero enhances privacy through Private Swaps on Baltex, ensuring anonymous transactions by obfuscating deposit and payout links 10:26:19 What’s that ? 10:54:37 milas900: a scam, monero is not affilated with baltex 10:54:49 in any way or shape or form 10:55:22 It’s in the news in coinmarketcap aggregator 10:56:52 do you honestly believe everything in shitcoin news? 10:56:55 they aren't even real news, they just make shit up and have bias towards what they write about 10:58:55 wikipedia blacklists crypto news sites for a reason, it's mostly heavily biased and factually incorrect for the sake of price hype 12:53:29 https://shorturl.at/504E2 <- is this ok to mine Monero? 12:55:26 okay if you get rid of windows 12:57:03 it's pretty not bad 12:57:06 I would install MX-Linux 12:57:45 that CPU is known for 66KH/s in randomX benchmarks 12:57:58 So where to read news lol 12:57:59 it's 71th place 12:58:37 Oh nice. Never owned a threadripper CPU. 12:59:31 Maybe i can sell the graphikcard. 13:01:39 why not build your own PC at that point 13:05:50 I haven't found a site where you can assemble or build a Threadripper. Or do you have any tips for a good consumer CPU for mining? 13:06:55 me neither lol 13:10:55 you need decent memory and the price of that is now prohibitive due to the appetite of AI 13:22:39 Is 64 GB insufficient for 32 cores? 13:26:58 1 dimm for each channel 13:27:18 total is not important 13:39:42 You're right, I made the incorrect assumption that it was 2 x 32 GB. 13:43:06 This thing must have cost 2,500–3,000 Euro five years ago. As a small office server. I would hope that they installed the two memory modules. 13:43:28 It is refurbished. 13:44:13 Probably installed a new version of Windows and dusted off a few things. 13:53:39 Is it okay to advertise here? 13:53:39 Wanted to say that I sell all kinds of gift cards for XMR/Monero 13:53:39 Steam, Amazon, you name it 13:54:36 bienzito: where do you source these giftcards 14:10:24 How to avoid being scammed when exchanging Monero for a gift card? 14:31:30 Cross your fingers and hope the gift card isnt swept immediately after transferring it 14:31:47 Cindy_: Combination of online and offline purchases. If one would want ultimate anonymity, I could be down to buy them offline with cash. But that would cost a little more 14:32:37 you should put up offers on retoswap 14:33:47 Are you talking about buying Monero? Missed the context. 14:35:07 @octagonsupreme:matrix.org: https://xmrbazaar.com/listing/zB2k/ 14:35:07 You can start with 5$ ones if you are don't trust seller 14:35:28 I just know that at least here, if you want crypto for cash, there would not only be the expected extra cost, but also the minimum amounts are RIDICULOUS. Like, I don't remember specifics, but that's in the THOUSANDS of dollars. So the money a lot of people don't even have in the first place, let alone for crypto. 14:36:16 Sorry, just wanted to rant, missed the context. LOL 14:37:31 also btw I wonder if XMRbazaar is ever getting rid of the slop banner, it's so sad that such a service has such a gross first impression :( 14:47:24 BlueyHealer: people of xmrbazaar are giant AI ass-kissers, i doubt that they'll get rid of it 14:49:56 I wish there was a slop-hostile (or at least slop-neutral) alternative then... 14:52:30 i wish too 14:59:51 hi 15:02:13 That’s why I ended up using localcoinswap > I just know that at least here, if you want crypto for cash, there would not only be the expected extra cost, but also the minimum amounts are RIDICULOUS. Like, I don't remember specifics, but that's in the THOUSANDS of dollars. So the money a lot of people don't even have in the first place, let alone for crypto. 15:06:49 get outta here shill account 15:08:27 @monerobull:matrix.org: Im not biased but ordered once from them and all went good 15:08:55 you also joined and your first message was shilling a service 15:10:40 @monerobull:matrix.org: I see how it looks but lowk just wanted to recommend it since I saw the message in the discord server with the same issue as I was facing (bisq having really high minimums for swaps) and decided to give a recommendation with what worked for me 15:11:05 ok 15:11:23 If u don’t wanna use this service im sure there’s a bunch more that are privacy respecting where you don’t need to deposit 130€ for a swap 15:11:40 id recommend you to look into retoswap.com if minimums was the issue with bisq 15:11:58 Thx 15:12:16 always decentralised > centralised 15:12:49 i cant wait for serai 😭 15:12:56 its going to be so great 15:13:30 Do you think anything’s gonna happen to xmr in the near future? 15:14:05 Some people say it will be taken off the eu exchanges by 2027, as well as p2p exchanges afterwards 15:14:19 Not sure how true is this 15:18:56 uh 15:19:04 its already on 0 EU exchanges xD 15:19:37 we got atomic swaps, basicswapdex, retoswap, (soon) serai 15:20:07 by banning it you only make it more resilient 15:20:34 serai is the main thing though 15:20:47 once that is live, monero becomes truly unstoppable 15:21:02 As far as I understand it, the EU is not going to ban Monero explicitly 15:21:28 It will make it illegal for money transmitting businesses to handle coins that can not be traced 15:21:30 correct, they only ban it for VASPs 15:21:37 which effectively makes monero off limits for them 15:21:39 and they dont name monero itself 15:21:50 they just name, checks notes, every single privacy feature monero uses 15:21:52 but it is legal for any citizen to aqcuire and use monero 15:22:01 mining will be still allowed 15:22:15 Someone also said that transactions over 1000€ will have to be verified with a proof of identification 15:22:17 you can read their proposal, they literally call out RingCT, Ring signatures, stealth addresses, etc 15:22:31 @qu4nce:matrix.org: that's already for years 15:22:36 but the amount may vary 15:22:51 How did they implement that 15:23:04 this thing called banks 15:23:11 Right 15:23:19 enforcement happens through banks 15:23:46 if you convince a car dealer to sell you a 10k car in cash, there's no way to enforce it 15:23:55 But, isn’t it pretty easy to bypass? 15:24:00 it is 15:24:15 but the car dealer will most likely not accept this, because he can't do much with that cash money 15:24:21 the bans are just to make accessing it harder 15:24:23 Just don’t tell your bank, same like how some people do with taxes 15:24:39 When using xmr 15:25:14 it's perfectly fine to tell the bank you are using monero 15:25:26 the bank will just say "good luck" and do nothing to help you 15:25:39 i don't see why you would though 15:25:47 the ban affects businesses not people 15:25:50 Yeah true 15:26:15 Like exchanges 15:26:32 they cant ban it outright because it looks really bad if you pass unenforceable laws 15:26:48 Yes, under the new legislation exchanges are treated somewhat as banks 15:26:58 as @monerobull:matrix.org , it's called a VASP 15:27:14 virtual asset service provider 15:27:42 How does it affect p2p exchanges tho 15:27:49 it doesn't 15:27:49 thats why we need decentralized exchanges 15:27:51 If every transfer is to a different entity 15:28:07 a pure p2p exchange is not a VASP, it's just you and me and some other guy 15:28:08 Im glad 15:28:24 Yeah 15:28:27 The dealer has to report it > <@eddie:oblak.be> if you convince a car dealer to sell you a 10k car in cash, there's no way to enforce it 15:29:11 A lot of used car dealers in usa accept cash > <@eddie:oblak.be> but the car dealer will most likely not accept this, because he can't do much with that cash money 15:30:04 In Europe it is pretty much illegal 15:30:10 above x thousand euro 15:30:32 but between 2 persons (not businesses) there's no problem 15:30:50 yall ready for the digital euro :3 15:33:26 On the topic, MiCA regulations 76 made it that Kyc crypto asset service providers either drop anonymous currencies until June 26 or they drop the EU as a market and the big ones chose to drop the currencies. Soon we are non kyc, p2p and underground. I've read Google drops third party apps in 2027 not sure how true this is but it is getting tighter by the day 15:33:36 Stuff like eurc exists 15:34:23 and it is already perfectly legal digital EUR, afaik 15:34:55 but I wouldn't trust it, to many smart contracts get hacked 5 min after deploy 15:35:09 or 5 years.. 15:35:54 Also, any stablecoin that has a freeze function, I am not touching it 15:36:41 Yeah 15:39:14 They are all creating digital panopticon via cbdc, don't touch anything related with money you can't afford to lose. The moment they become programmable by where to spend, where not, how much and in the end by what date it is gg 15:39:41 FYI I am a boolberry whale who is dumping his bags. Everybody get out or you're gonna get rugged. 15:39:44 Accumulate because your children won't be able to 15:40:15 Should I be hoarding xmr 15:41:34 As far as I can see it, idk how even a small home poker game can be run with cash being digital in 15 years 15:41:45 Xmr is the new cash 15:43:26 @gentlemoose:matrix.org: hadn't thought about that, but it's a good point 15:44:22 I also believe XMR will just become more popular due to all of this, because it will push more normies towards solutions. 15:44:55 But on the same hand, the user experience of XMR will have to increase still, because people can hardly remember a four digit pin 15:45:16 literally I see people failing to swipe a credit card 15:45:49 I don't blame those people, don't get me wrong, it's just the way it is. 15:48:25 It is not a matter of popularity and price going up and usage. We don't need that. Mass debanking will deduct taxes straight away after income and with carbon sandwich being online, after full programmability we are full 1984 mode and from then on kids can't deposit in gambling sites or buy groceries from a grandma on the street let alone buy gold or btc without anyone knowing who they are 15:49:13 We just need a strong community 15:49:34 Eh, grannies are one of the major reasons cash isn't going extinct any time soon. 15:49:54 Also here it seems like economy is shifting more to cash as times become less stable... 15:49:59 @eddie:oblak.be: As generation shift those born with a phone will do fine with that 15:50:23 BlueyHealer: Until we have any.. 10 years max 15:51:04 IDK, at least here cash is only getting more popular as people get more paranoid 15:51:37 That's why UK, Canada and the EUssr will take care of that in a hurry 15:52:33 @gentlemoose:matrix.org: I don't know. I hope so. 15:53:53 BlueyHealer: I have a friend working in a bar. He's complaining the young kids don't even take a credit card with them anymore 15:54:04 they try to swipe their phone on his counter 15:54:14 he's a cash only bar.. 15:54:58 By the way where I'm from I can deposit 3x the average monthly salary per day in cash via atm to my bank acc which changes to less than 1x before the bank asking source of funds. 15:55:18 In my opinion using money became ridiculously complex and bloated while masking it as user friendly ness 15:55:31 Right now it doesn't even ask 15:55:35 It starts asking at 5x 15:58:04 > It is not a matter of popularity and price going up and usage. We don't need that. 15:58:04 We need usage, that's why there is a strong network effect. The price go up I agree is not needed, it's actually counter productive in a wway. 15:58:24 Also, even aside from the overall uneasiness... Mobile internet shutdowns exist, and now people are getting used to them. So there's always a possibility that your card will just not work in the worst moment. 15:59:30 The irony of that is that the government here forbids large cash transactions, but on the same hand it recommends having some cash on hand for emergencies 15:59:45 nice 16:00:32 But this government isn't the smartest.. It forbids you to run your solar panels off grid, but recommends you to have a battery radio in case of giant blackout 16:00:43 I am not making this up 16:01:24 Is there evn an excuse for the solar panel ban? And how well is it enforced? 16:02:21 @eddie:oblak.be Spain? :D 16:02:30 I don't know the excuse. And it's not really enforced I think. 16:04:03 But people here are generally very obedient, they believe the government has their backs. 16:04:12 So is it the sale that's so regulated? 16:05:20 Is it, like, hard to get them? 16:05:33 Yeah, I think if you have solar panels installed by a 3rd party, they will follow a script and not care much about what is actually the smartest way of installing it. 16:05:44 But if you are a DIY person it's easy to get around it 16:07:13 Ah, nice! So how do you go about buying them then? 16:07:33 Are they still sold to consumers? If yes - why? 16:09:34 I have no idea in practice, but I assume there's no problem buying them as a consumer 16:09:46 Or you have them installed by a 3rd party and rewire them later 16:13:01 That's why I just bought sim router and examining mesh networks as we have to decentralise everything from signal to money > Also, even aside from the overall uneasiness... Mobile internet shutdowns exist, and now people are getting used to them. So there's always a possibility that your card will just not work in the worst moment. 16:20:07 Ah, so you can install them, but while abiding by certain restrictions? 16:24:36 most laws can be easily broken, but it's up to you then to bear the consequences if you get caught ... 16:25:55 Has anyone tried foldable solar panels? Does that stuff work 17:23:12 Hellooo 17:23:17 What's upp 17:23:49 nohello.net 😡 17:24:04 What? 17:24:15 Hi 17:25:03 @victor5577:matrix.org: must click the link, or ask chatgpt "what is nohello.net" 17:37:08 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Haha got it 17:37:10 Hiiii 17:53:30 hi 18:21:51 Cindy: hi 18:22:35 hi 18:22:44 how are you nioc 18:23:36 Cat is very happy with the Thanksgiving turkey so all is good :) 18:24:31 that's good 18:24:38 hope you are well 18:27:53 Guys do you know any millionaires 18:28:47 no 18:33:04 No 19:00:30 Btw are there any real life Monero stores anywhere in the world? Who take Monero as payments 19:06:12 @victor5577:matrix.org: Nope 19:06:20 @victor5577:matrix.org: Probably 19:07:45 Even I've never heard of such 19:10:32 @victor5577:matrix.org: There is proxy store in Germany 19:48:33 Anyone up for opening a store with me in Dubai? 19:49:22 @victor5577:matrix.org: I can buy it from you 😀 paying in cash in Sweden 19:50:57 I have a million shillings > <@victor5577:matrix.org> Guys do you know any millionaires 19:51:19 isn't everyone in Dubai a millionaire? 19:51:39 If you're to open a business anywhere - why in such an unsettling place full of slavery?.. 19:52:01 @eddie:oblak.be: Are they gold plated? 🧐 19:52:32 I was in the UAE and yes, slavery / indentured servants 19:53:10 nioc: 70% are wannabeees 19:53:13 yes, the gold is covered in blood 19:53:19 the blood of millions of sudaneses 19:53:22 I wouldn't want to visit not only because of the climate, but because it's so unsettling. Like, a lot of the places in the world are dystopian, but Dubai is like a cartoonosh embodiment. 19:53:24 they say it makes it worth more or something 19:53:54 0_o 19:54:13 Cindy: Free Sudan 🇸🇩 19:55:35 BlueyHealer: Exactly 19:55:39 nothing like funding a terroristic paramilitary force that destroyed the airports to prevent people from leaving and also slaughtered, diddled tons of them 19:55:54 so that their economy gets destabilized to hell, and you can buy gold for mere cents! :D 19:56:04 dubai mind 19:57:12 @victor5577:matrix.org: I am not going to places where alcohol is forbidden 🤡 19:57:28 Anyone selling XMR in Sweden? 19:57:28 I'm paying in Cash 19:57:37 lol 19:57:47 That's really sad, world pays attention for a while in the start, now they've forgotten > nothing like funding a terroristic paramilitary force that destroyed the airports to prevent people from leaving and also slaughtered, diddled tons of them 19:57:58 dubai is hypocritical 19:58:01 they have to be very halal while their thrones are stained with the blood of many innocents 19:58:17 @eddie:oblak.be: They serve it to foreigners in certain places 19:58:35 Which makes it even weirder 19:58:36 It's the extreme contrast that highlights this place in particular. 19:58:52 @eddie:oblak.be: Ikr 19:59:15 One of the best things going places is drinking local liquor with local people 😅 19:59:45 victor5577: maybe because they are also involved with making it worse 19:59:49 Cindy: They are far away from being halal 20:00:12