00:37:40 Hi, do I need to verify to start using the monero gui wallet? the instructions are unclear and I don't think it will even be possible for me. I need it if I want to use P2Pool mining. 00:42:37 Its not strictly necessary 00:43:08 You don't need GUI for p2pool 00:43:24 gupax or gupaxx might be easier 01:10:07 I'm just trying to do it based off of the monero website but it is extremely opaque. I am going to just assume it's been verified on the terminal but I really am not sure. 01:11:51 anyone wanna do business or needs help? dm me ! 01:12:37 no, specially in webchat (you will disconnect and not be reachable) 01:13:06 > I am going to just assume it's been verified on the terminal but I really am not sure. 01:13:08 what do you mean verified? 01:33:14 I wanted to verify my download of the gui wallet. There is the pgp thing, the hash raw button, binaryfate...in the end I just went ahead and opened the wallet. There were two different files in downloads I just chose one of them randomly. They both had the same name but one of them had gui added so I extracted that one. No idea what's going on tbh. 01:33:59 Next I guess I wait for it to synch and then I try to mine with P2Pool. Not sure how that will go. Will have to verify something again but won't know how. 01:34:13 checksums (hashes) is usually what you verify 01:34:18 same are listed on P2Pool page 01:34:37 as said, gupaxx bundles these all in one (monero, p2pool, etc.) 01:34:45 I found a video from something that looked like it was from monero but it used gtkhash instead so that was all the more confusing. 01:34:52 https://github.com/Cyrix126/gupaxx 01:35:04 Okay thanks. 01:35:23 I recommend gupax on https://p2pool.observer/ but gupax has today been transferred to gupaxx creator (who maintained the project) 01:36:11 depending on hashrate, you probably want to go with nano or mini. There's also P2Pool specific rooms on #p2pool-log and #p2pool-mini 01:36:53 Okay thanks. I'm just going to do it through this monero gui wallet. I don't know what those other ones even are and would like to keep it simple. 01:37:08 you can move onto those later 01:37:22 okay thanks 01:37:37 note mining via monero GUI will be sub-optimal (its miner is not as performant) but should get you properly tested up 01:38:27 But really, if you want P2Pool help there's those two rooms I linked. It's where we mainly sit 01:38:53 Okay good to know. Yeah I just want to get it going and then look into the possibilities. Thanks. 01:40:05 What's the most efficient way of cashing out Monero, keeping the privacy in mind? 01:43:20 verifying the pgp is what ended up going off the rails for me 01:45:01 At a certain point I pasted a command in the terminal that wasn't recognized. Eventually I abandoned and proceeded to verification even though I had no idea what was going on, whether my pgp thing was valid and safe. So for all I know I will be using something that is not what it is supposed to be. 01:45:54 I mean I am supposed to have the pgp keys to verify but I was basically unable to verify the keys themselves. 01:47:08 the keys themselves are not verified by someone else, so you can add them to the explicit trust to verify (or add them to keychain) 01:47:17 PGP as usual is ... convoluted :) 01:48:48 Yeah I mean I guess I thought the community should know that there are newbies out there doing this who have not been able to figure out whether they are doing it properly. Hopefully that doesn't undermine the privacy and other goals for monero in general. 01:52:47 sadly to verify something (properly with PGP) you have to go via that pain, otherwise you end up with something along the chain untrusted 01:53:08 hashes are also provided directly, if you trust the hashes are correct, verifying these is vastly easier 02:56:41 Is there a behavior difference between monerod --proxy 127.0.0.1:9050 and monerod --proxy 127.0.0.1:9050 --tx-proxy tor,127.0.0.1:9050,10? 02:56:45 My reading of the source code suggests there is. 02:57:21 As in, transaction relaying of outgoing transactions is done differently between the two. 02:59:50 In particular, in the first case monerod treats the proxy as the public zone and sends a peer id, if my reading of the code is correct, but in the second case it will make additional Tor connections in order to send outgoing transactions. 03:41:47 Tx proxy only sends txs there and indeed broadcasts (assumes private) 04:51:52 --proxy sends traffic to a socks proxy 04:51:52 --tx-proxy sends txs which originate on your rpc, to a hidden service 05:12:55 Which is the better option to use for someone wanting to use Tor only (to conceal Monero from their ISP)? 05:13:05 Both 05:13:19 At the same time 05:13:34 Can https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/docs/ANONYMITY_NETWORKS.md be updated to say that? 05:13:40 You'll need --proxy to conceal usage from isp 05:14:10 @torir:matrix.org: Its under usage heading 05:15:02 And under hidden services 05:15:02 > Hidden services - onion and I2P domains - are available to use for transaction broadcasts. You may use the below options with or without --proxy. 05:15:58 It's not clear whether --proxy is enough though--I went through it trying to find a configuration recommendation that completely avoided clearnet and it wasn't clear whether --proxy was enough or if --tx-proxy was necessary. 05:16:35 My dig through the source code showed that when using --proxy it treats the proxy as the public zone but not as an anonymity network. 05:17:08 My understanding is that it would send all your traffic through the proxy but not take the measures such as not including peer id that are done when relaying transactions with TX proxy. 05:18:34 *and sending specifically to hidden services 05:19:12 It is enough > <@torir:matrix.org> It's not clear whether --proxy is enough though--I went through it trying to find a configuration recommendation that completely avoided clearnet and it wasn't clear whether --proxy was enough or if --tx-proxy was necessary. 05:20:19 @torir:matrix.org: right 05:20:43 That was not clear to me at all until I read through the code. 05:20:53 --proxy is non-specific. It can be a vpn, tor, or any other socks proxy that can reach clearnet 05:21:19 I identified four configurations that users might want: clearnet only, clearnet+tor/i2p+incoming connections over tor/i2p, tor/i2p-only with no incoming connections, and tor/i2p with incoming connections. 05:21:56 tx-proxy=tor,.. txproxy=i2p,.. is specific to hidden services on the specified network 05:22:26 The monero node won't attempt to connect to hidden services unless those are specified, right? 05:22:44 You cant have incoming block sync connections over tor or i2p 05:22:50 @torir:matrix.org: correct 05:26:52 1. clearnet only 05:26:52 2. clearnet+tor/i2p+incoming connections over tor/i2p = you can have clearnet block sync + tor & i2p tx-proxy & tor + i2p anonymous-inbound 05:26:52 3. tor/i2p-only with no incoming connections = --proxy for tor, and optionally add tx-proxy for i2p and/or tor 05:26:52 4. tor/i2p with incoming connections. = --proxy for tor, and add tx-proxy for tor and/or i2p, and add anonymous-inbound for tor and/or i2p 07:46:41 My attempt at a monero gui to mine has been frustrated because I thought I was pruned but possibly wasn't and tried to start over because the wallet kept disconnecting. After closing the wallet, typing in a bunch of things intended to delete the blockchain data and starting over with a prune command in the start up flag settin [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/2f-y5c4KSGNqU3VH ] 08:02:45 Would've been nice if there were instructions that were properly written somewhere. 08:38:45 @xmrhelp2025:matrix.org: go to gupax.io and mine with that 08:39:01 the simplest and cleanest solution 08:46:07 thanks. is that equally private and efficient? can I mine in P2Pool? 09:11:31 <321bob321> https://monero.town/post/7051147 09:22:08 when did monero.town block tor exit nodes 09:23:06 this is dumb 09:23:14 <321bob321> Cloudflare ? 09:23:50 yes 09:24:08 if you read all documentation, top to bottom, you eyes glance over the config file and its comments https://docs.getmonero.org/running-node/monerod-systemd/#monerod-config , then the tor/i2p section makes sense 09:24:25 but i doubt this is cloudflare's fault, i only see the "sorry, you've been blocked" page when it's from an explicit rule that the webmaster made 09:24:30 getting ddosed for over a year > when did monero.town block tor exit nodes 09:24:39 via tor exit nodes 09:24:47 monerobull: then make a onion service 09:24:51 and then block exit nodes on clear web 09:25:07 tor has PoW defenses built-in for onion services 09:26:26 @monerobull:matrix.org: Huh, how? 09:26:41 thats the systemd guide also, you want this one https://docs.getmonero.org/running-node/monerod-tori2p/#node-configuration 09:26:54 lemmy does not fuck with tor 09:26:55 I wonder how this PoW compares to Anubis in effectiveness. 09:27:16 it's a LOT more effective than anubis 09:27:19 another reason why i wanted to move to nostr 09:27:26 I suspect it was another case of TCP SYN flood, it's very difficult to DDOS from Tor 09:27:36 it uses EquiX, rather than hashcash 09:28:05 which means the cost of DDoSing is not near zero 09:28:10 I wonder if similar defenses can e adapted for clearnet then 09:28:40 EquiX is pretty hard to implement on the clear web performantly 09:28:46 i mean it's possible but it takes a lot of work 09:28:57 like making a WebAssembly JIT for the underlying hash algorithm 09:29:07 @gan:skhron.org: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ITELFOzSUE 09:31:26 monerobull: seriously, try hosting a onion service version of the service with PoW enabled 09:31:52 while keeping tor blocked on clear web 09:32:01 @monerobull:matrix.org: Sounds like lemmy is either improperly caches the pages, or the reverse proxy wasn't properly configured to be honest 09:32:25 i tried it before but gave up because the internal lemmy proxy setup is super confusing 09:32:28 there are like 4 different nginx configs 09:33:13 it's not even 50 RPS 09:33:16 there was no reverse proxy before 09:33:45 @monerobull:matrix.org: insanity 09:34:02 BlueyHealer: also btw in Tor's PoW, whoever takes the most effort gets to have more priority than those who took less effort 09:34:05 even not haproxy... 09:34:26 in anubis, it's pretty static, the server gives you a predefined challenge difficulty 09:34:42 @gan:skhron.org: i did NOT know what i was doing back when i first set it up 09:34:56 Cindy, is the "effort" some setting in the browser you can change? 09:35:04 ran fine for a year or two and then got the ddos 09:35:07 Only 250 requests per second? Is Lemmy just really unoptimized or did they find an expensive endpoint to hit? 09:35:09 Didn't know it wasn't binary! 09:35:24 tor has an algorithm to choose the best effort 09:35:46 it'll solve at the server's "recommended" effort, but if that doesn't work, it'll go higher i think 09:36:04 to get a better spot 09:36:10 oh, fuck I haven't loaded the description on that video 09:36:31 torir: they are hitting the front page of the site 09:37:23 250 RPS is kinda too little indeed 09:38:10 So just Lemmy being unoptimized, or a low-spec VPS? 09:38:16 Git forges get a lot more requests because of bullshit generators 09:38:17 i'm surprised that lemmy doesn't cache 09:38:25 I can definitely believe Lemmy would be that unoptimized though. 09:38:54 the vps did hold up but the lemmy frontend would crash 09:38:56 the backend was fine 09:39:14 what was the error 09:39:52 Cindy: It's a reasonable assumption that the server will be running behind a proxy to be fair 09:40:11 but even services like mediawiki support memcached 09:40:24 for the sake of caching database results in memory, and reducing backend load for cases like this 09:40:34 I use a proxy just to get easier to configure HTTPS. 09:40:52 Most modern websites use reverse proxy magic. 09:41:55 Cindy: Mediawiki is less static than lemmy, so that makes more sense 09:44:25 Cindy: its been quite some time, dont remember 14:35:16 09:38:45 @xmrhelp2025:matrix.org: go to gupax.io and mine with that 14:35:18 gupaxx is the new one 14:35:20 09:46:07 thanks. is that equally private and efficient? can I mine in P2Pool? 14:35:23 Gupaxx runs p2pool / monero for you 14:44:57 DataHoarder: p2pool needs its own memory for randomX right? 14:45:02 in addition to xmrig 14:45:17 yes, unless you use no randomx, but that requires monerod to use it 14:45:19 you can have p2pool in light mode 14:45:25 xmrig full mode for mining 14:48:54 for some reason gupaxx ran horribly last time i tried it 14:50:47 00:02:33 <@DataHoarder> https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining/comments/1pbphkx/gupax_ownership_transfer/ 14:50:49 00:02:40 <@DataHoarder> "Gupax ownership transfer" 16:24:30 Is anyone else's node going crazy? Seeing mine lag behind 40 plus blocks and can't catch up no matter if I pop blocks or anything else... 16:24:36 2025-12-03 16:23:53.920 I SYNCHRONIZATION started 16:24:36 2025-12-03 16:23:54.115 I [193.233.112.30:18080 OUT] Sync data returned a new top block candidate: 3557496 -> 3557537 [Your node is 41 blocks (1.4 hours) behind] 16:24:37 2025-12-03 16:23:54.115 I SYNCHRONIZATION started 16:24:37 2025-12-03 16:23:54.255 I [65.21.227.114:18080 OUT] Sync data returned a new top block candidate: 3557496 -> 3557537 [Your node is 41 blocks (1.4 hours) behind] 16:24:38 2025-12-03 16:23:54.255 I SYNCHRONIZATION started 16:24:38 2025-12-03 16:23:54.755 I [208.118.222.8:18080 OUT] Sync data returned a new top block candidate: 3557496 -> 3557537 [Your node is 41 blocks (1.4 hours) behind] 16:24:39 2025-12-03 16:23:54.755 I SYNCHRONIZATION started 16:24:39 2025-12-03 16:23:55.115 I [65.21.227.114:18080 OUT] Sync data returned a new top block candidate: 3557496 -> 3557537 [Your node is 41 blocks (1.4 hours) behind] 16:24:40 2025-12-03 16:23:55.115 I SYNCHRONIZATION started 16:24:40 2025-12-03 16:23:55.162 I Host 65.21.227.114 blocked. 16:24:41 2025-12-03 16:23:55.287 I [81.187.135.103:18080 OUT] Sync data returned a new top block candidate: 3557496 -> 3557537 [Your node is 41 blocks (1.4 hours) behind] 16:24:49 Running latest monerod build 16:43:11 try turning it off and on again 16:44:36 no problem here 17:04:42 set_log 2 would help debug it, but you can just restart the node if you dont feel like debugging 17:51:57 Hi 18:58:55 I need 200 - 300 Monero 18:59:00 nothing helped. Deleted blockchain and syncing from scratch 19:09:48 why always asking @victor5577:matrix.org 19:09:59 no one is going to give them to you 19:10:13 make a monero bounty or proposal if it's monero related 19:10:46 DataHoarder: Sorry.. Just in need of money 19:10:49 "yes I need $150000" 19:10:51 > Hi 19:10:51 > I need money 19:10:51 usually never a good sign 19:10:55 DataHoarder: How? 19:11:08 @victor5577:matrix.org: Get a job, that's the easy fix 19:11:41 you will probably get removed from this channel if you continue tbh 19:12:11 you can get some testnet XMR here if you so desire https://faucet.xmr.pt/ 19:12:21 worthless, but ""XMR"" 19:14:52 Too late, already removed :( 19:15:20 @gan:skhron.org: Lmao this shows as a reply to plowsof 19:16:00 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/xmr.mx/aarDpdSGReRwasjxwCVRzXVj.png (share_3807096486761827299.png) 19:16:09 thank you for the advice DataHoarder, i will try that instead 19:16:12 > Message deleted by plowsof 19:16:12 in my case 19:16:22 always same person too 19:16:28 sorry for begging again 19:30:18 guys 19:30:26 can i get tenfiddy 21:56:38 can someone lend me some zcash? i'll pay it back, you can trust me 22:16:46 🤨 22:38:04 zcash is crazy 22:38:16 zcash is boring 22:38:48 preach