01:50:58 @lza_menace: given my own experiences with matrix, it sounds completely possible 02:02:52 Sup niggas 02:03:12 Can I use XMR multisig without running my own mode? 02:03:32 I wanna buy drugs tonight but the blockchain is taking ages to download 02:09:18 @tealshard:matrix.org: who told you there's XMR multisig in the first place? 🤔 02:10:44 @rottenwheel:unredacted.org: Darknet markets were the first mention I saw of it 02:11:07 But I would've figured that monero would have it anyway because Bitcoin does too 02:17:24 you can use xmr multisig without your own node, you just need to use monero-wallet-cli and specify a remote node manually 02:18:03 or at least i assume so i dunno why you wouldn't be able to use multisig that way 02:24:57 @root:kimapr.net: You're completely free to ask Matthew with this screenshot and see his reaction to determine whether if it's true 🧌 02:26:41 A remote node will aggregate whatever UTXOs belong using my viewkey so I have a list of spendable outputs right? 02:33:23 @tealshard:matrix.org: 🤔 02:33:44 "Alexa, does Monero have multisig in 2025?" 02:34:13 Good luck with all that. https://web.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/multisig-messaging-system.html 02:34:44 @tealshard:matrix.org: What about you stop larping and just use one of the popular wallets to send funds to your dnm of choice so you can restock on your xanax bars? 02:41:04 @rottenwheel:unredacted.org: Cause multisig sounds cool and I'm a crypto nerd and wanna give it a try 02:41:27 @tealshard:matrix.org: Awesome, good deal. Have fun with all that. 🫡 02:41:52 @rottenwheel:unredacted.org: Good luck going through all that then. ^_^ 02:42:10 Bruh it's probably not that hard 02:50:07 @rottenwheel:unredacted.org: Oh plus if the market exit scams I can get my speed money back 02:50:28 @tealshard:matrix.org: Ah, totes, how could I have not thought about that... 02:50:52 When market goes belly up, you'll own more than just the one key in the obvious 1/2 multisig setup... 02:54:14 I can reach out to the vendor and if they're nice they'll refund me 02:54:31 If they're greedy I could probably negotiate getting half back 02:58:19 Also if the market exit scams I would rather no one get the escrow than the market getting rewarded for stealing 09:49:10 i wonder why there aren't many services using integrated payment addresses 09:49:28 instead they use subaddresses (with a counter they have to keep track of) 11:30:59 with sub addresses you can handle utxo's conveniently - spending from a subaddress allows you to only use outputs belonging to that subaddr (stressnet spammers do this). integrated addresses are all deposited to the same base address. CEX's may find subaddr better to comply with some generic crypto utxo anti-mixer laws and/or to keep the wallet 11:30:59 functional - think snet spammer - spend specific outputs within on sub addr to churn 13:05:01 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/GrDAocEEonmodJQFjwiKbFoW.jpeg (ima_1642568.jpeg) 13:05:15 anyone seen this? 13:09:07 so not decentralized. distributed 13:09:35 it's still centralized (single multisig, single entity) but they have distributed signing. 13:14:32 @xmrsoul:matrix.org: PSA: these guys are very likely scammers 13:15:44 potentially the same people that are running the crow/malgo/goblin swap campaign 13:24:33 you can't make a wrapped token (with an incompatible chain) that's decentralized 13:25:12 someone HAS to hold the bag (the underlying supply behind the wrapped token) 13:25:47 datahoarder: what's the point of multisig when you're in control of all parties 13:25:51 yeah and these guys will very likely run away with it 13:26:19 @monerobull:matrix.org: it doesnt even look like their goal is to make money 13:26:32 instead its targeted at creating the most damage to monero possible 13:26:37 Same entity but could be distributed to different key holders 13:26:49 Protects the entity itself more than you 13:27:07 Say single rogue admin 13:27:38 do not give these guys any credibility :P 13:27:45 checking the twitter account, they don't say who they are 13:27:50 or whether they even have more than one person behind it 13:28:17 check the blockchain and you will find they've done this before ;) 13:28:34 sure :P 13:28:52 14th november xmrsoul asks soulxmr about zerofi and will dive deeper into it 13:28:52 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero/20251114#c611255 13:28:52 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero/20251114#c611358 13:28:58 they have direct exposure to phishing wallets 13:28:59 you have to trust the people behind the wrapped tokens, and if they end up stealing all your XMR 13:29:09 they will 13:29:56 plowsof: why are they this desperate to advertise 13:30:09 10th december plowsof is asked for his opinion on the "most important project" https://libera.monerologs.net/monero/20251210#c624677 13:30:11 are they looking for people dumb enough to take the bait? 13:31:34 this makes it pretty suspicious 13:32:06 also their twitter account "Joined October 2025" 13:32:16 and talks exclusively about zXMR 13:33:24 its obviously a scam guys 13:34:00 no shit sherlock 13:34:38 banning for shilling scam more than once per week? 13:35:31 https://xcancel.com/OfficialZeroFi/status/1994607510083572070 13:35:45 i like how many buzzwords this post has 13:37:01 > rate limited RPC, slow connections, etc. 13:37:06 they dont even run their own nodes lmfao 13:37:45 don't tell me all they're running are the wallet RPC nodes 13:38:19 they should team up with this scam swapper https://moneros.exchange/exchange.php?mixID=ORD-C4C1F941&amount=999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 13:38:19 999999999999999999999999999999999&from=USDT-TRC20&to=XMR&wallet=this+is+a+scam 13:38:38 what the absolute fuck is that URL 13:39:00 sorry lol 13:39:59 i love when i open up view source 13:40:05 i see JS comments written in russian 13:40:07 they also got monero.black, a fake review site to push their scam services 13:40:42 LMFAO 13:40:43 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/lXaTqtToGajoYGHTVWHBxeSk.png (image.png) 13:40:51 HAHAHAHA 13:41:00 this is fucking hilarious 13:41:17 yep 13:42:10 similar one i seen "someone recovered billions from changelly using " its common 13:42:30 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/URvpwielZAFZwgWyefRYIjyi.png (image.png) 13:42:36 lol at the goblinswap ref link 13:43:33 are they doing this to track the effectiveness of their fake news site? is this a third party scammer? crypto is never boring haha 13:44:09 all of this blogposts look AI-generated 13:44:15 including the mining one 13:45:13 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/QZUCHELetIXaKwUWLzMkzbiX.png (image.png) 13:45:22 they put up a fake onion for retoswap 13:45:54 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/EMLeFfjhLFbaYguFJzalowbX.png (image.png) 13:46:02 is it ai generated as well? lmao 13:46:13 am i on drugs rn or am i realizing that like 13:46:18 all the posts end with "final thoughts" 13:46:49 the one for trocador is fake as well 13:46:56 the goblinswap post doesn't look AI-generated 13:46:59 "requires JS" lmao > <@monerobull:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/QZUCHELetIXaKwUWLzMkzbiX.png (image.png) 13:47:11 i mean, two of the goblinswap posts 13:47:12 they also made a fake subreddit 13:47:15 ai generated 13:47:19 filled with bot accounts making "normal" comments 13:47:20 but the rest are like AI generated with "final thoughts" 13:47:34 basically vibe coded 13:48:28 all of this screams k3wbit lol 13:54:34 this wrapped token has got to be one of the most dumbest scam i've seen 13:55:29 i don't know if i should feel bad if they end up rugpulling the supply behind the wrapped token 13:58:08 its natural selection tbh 13:58:34 but unless you really know your shit, it would be hard to tell if its legit or a scam 13:58:40 so newbies could fall for it 13:58:59 yeah, if you don't know how wrapped tokens work, you could fall for it 14:00:08 i bet if you try to swap back, it'll be like "sorry, due to issues with our RPC nodes, we could not complete this swap. please try again later" 14:00:19 they made a new fake monero subreddit 14:00:27 no way 14:01:51 what's the subreddit 14:05:39 It directly preys on the people that want to hold something instead of using it 14:06:10 As usual speculation and degen is the target 14:08:26 wagmi 14:08:59 DataHoarder: moonboys as always 18:01:13 @lza_menace: y u delete xitter ser? 18:12:57 @rottenwheel:unredacted.org: got tired of doomscrolling. saw a series of disturbing things and just didn't find any value from having it around overall, mostly people arguing, spam, and porn. my life is better without it. 18:16:45 I got Twitter in 2022 for memes and fandoms, deleted in 2023 after they loginwalled the entire site. so audacionusly awful. 18:16:58 Funny how I deleted Reddit at the very same time. 18:26:55 On twitter I only got into "fights" so I stopped logging on to it, an only used it to lurk her and there 18:27:42 tbh I never had such an experience. 18:28:06 twitter has become a cesspool of crypto and AI 18:28:23 That just depends what you are using it for 18:28:28 It's a filter bubble 18:29:06 Sometimes I use nitter to follow a link someelse posts, but for everything else I am good bantering a bit in matrix rooms, I guess 18:30:39 I use nitter now too. Crazy how it's basically required now. 18:36:12 Reddit has turned into a woke Bolshevik shithole. 18:36:42 agree 18:37:06 the major online institutions have shifted outwards towards the extremes 18:37:24 i always felt like reddit was full of powertripping mods 18:37:39 it was 18:37:53 I thought Reddit was for incells 18:38:27 A long time ago. 18:38:31 And wrong computer advice 18:40:07 i fucking hate shadowbanning in online platforms 18:40:14 this applies to reddit, twitter, and even github 18:42:50 It's a shame about GitHub. In five years' time, it will probably no longer be usable due to some policy or other. 18:43:11 shadowbanning in github happens a lot more than you think 18:43:29 I got shadowbanned on Reddit. I didn't even post anything that usually triggers that. 18:43:34 and they're pretty secretive about it 18:44:55 In five years' time, it will probably no longer be usable due to some policy or other <- I haven't noticed any usability-related policies, but I am concerned about them probably training AI on user submissions. 18:45:09 even when you ask people about it, they're like "oh, that's what happens when your profile is set to private, dumbass" 18:45:15 but my profile isn't set to private.. 18:45:28 oh gee corporations being asshole, surprise 18:46:42 Shadow banning on GitHub!? That's news to me. What effect does that have? 18:47:09 pcre: your repos, issues, pull requests, and user profile are visible to you when you're logged in 18:47:13 but when you're not logged in, it's all 404 18:47:17 even issues or PRs on other repos 18:47:25 they don't even show up 18:47:26 BlueyHealer: luckily there's a self-hosted federated alternative for about each platform. They mostly lack the network effect, but as long as people are obedient to the github/youtube/reddit policies that will never change 18:47:47 okay. 18:47:55 Cindy_: are you sure you didn't set "visibility" to private 🤣 it's a feature not a ban 18:48:04 bruh 18:48:10 joking 18:48:19 lol 18:49:02 the annoying part is how arbitrary it is 18:49:12 they could shadowban you for any reason, and you have to contact support to figure out why 18:49:34 it's either, they didn't like your email address or they think you live in a sanctioned place 18:49:34 or whatever bullshit reason 18:49:38 yeah, I repeat, private corporation, can do what they want 18:49:50 it's like a club with a bouncer. And your shoes are not white enough 18:50:16 Maybe next time bring a girl, if you want to get in 18:50:56 eddie, with git the network effect at least seems less noticeable. I see non-Github git repos pretty often in the apps I use. 18:52:09 of course, there are many reasons to not use github 18:52:16 Maybe next time bring a girl, if you want to get in <- That could get you confused for a lesbian 18:52:24 XD 18:52:29 corporations didn't really use github until microsoft bought it 18:53:07 eddie, I do have an account, but if I were to develop, I'd pick somewhere else to publish. Preferrably selfhosted because I know people who set an instance up and it's manageable. 18:53:13 eddie: that is, if you're lucky that they respond to your tickets 18:53:21 I've had https://radicle.xyz/ on my radar for quite some time. It could be an alternative. 18:53:36 :P 18:53:41 what I meant essentially is that I hear a lot of time people saying "i hate to use platform XYZ, but I have to use it because everyone else does" > eddie, with git the network effect at least seems less noticeable. I see non-Github git repos pretty often in the apps I use. 18:53:44 sometimes they even ghost your shadowban ticket, and leave you hanging forever 18:53:58 What are the "many reasons" for you? For me it's the concern that the owners are very invested in the AI games and this makes me very suspicious that they are not letting this treasure trove of code go to waste. 18:54:19 so yeah, they can do whatever they want 18:54:23 you gotta pay for it, lol. I just recently had a very good experience with github enterprise support > eddie: that is, if you're lucky that they respond to your tickets 18:54:49 eddie, my point is that with social media at least it's waaay more pronounced than with Git. 18:55:24 BlueyHealer: before github had the feature to make repo's private, companies would flock to bitbucket and gitlab for that 18:55:34 but bitbucket is dead now afaik 18:55:48 >GitHub has the right to suspend or terminate your access to all or any part of the Website at any time, with or without cause, with or without notice, effective immediately. GitHub reserves the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason at any time. 18:56:31 very legal :P 18:57:58 if github hears you cough the wrong way, they'll banish you to the shadow realm without any hesitation 18:58:04 and they won't tell you why 18:58:23 No business is obligated to provide services to anyone 18:58:39 OOH I remember now, my uni used to use it before switching for something independent. Onenon-crucial but important feature was locked behind a paywall. 18:59:01 Cindy_, what are the examples of the "wrong way"? 18:59:33 There was this debacle with youtube-dl 18:59:48 eddie: "with or without notice" may be a violation of EU's DMA 19:00:12 Cindy_: yeah I am not a lawyer so I don't know 19:00:29 BlueyHealer: literally anything ranging from being in a sanctioned country, someone from your IP range doing bad stuff on the internet, etc. etc. 19:00:29 it's pretty board 19:00:33 I do know if you want to enforce that you will have to spend big bucks on laywers to prove them wrong 19:00:33 eddie, oh, so Github was involved? i'll look it up. 19:00:34 Git itself is already very decentralised. GitHub simply offers convenience. 19:00:50 My guess was "making tools evading enshittification". 19:01:11 BlueyHealer: Yeah they removed their repo's iirc 19:01:24 Cindy_, I think my location may have been the reason for Reddit shadowban. That or the custom email domain (or the specific TLD). 19:02:13 i got shadowbanned from github for using an obscure email domain 19:03:04 what, lol 19:03:06 that's bad, i agree tehre 19:03:08 i didn't realize it until i had cookies auto-wipe and realized that my user profile was inaccessible 19:03:12 They will also be the first to make a digital ID mandatory. 19:03:13 when i was logged out 19:03:23 but when i logged back in (expecting a ban notice or something) 19:03:26 it showed my user profile again 19:03:28 To be fair, it was a TLD with a bad reputation, I just had no idea at that moment. I'll be more careful next time, but I am prepared for some discrimination based on the custom domain. 19:03:40 Well, Github == Microsoft nowadays, what did you expect 19:04:03 pcre, wouldn't surprise me one bit. I am surprised they don't already require at least a phone number... 19:04:24 GitHub was lost when Microsoft bought it. It was only a matter of time. 19:04:34 github shadowbans are super annoying 19:04:40 i wouldn't be surprised if they like 19:04:45 merged github with M$ accounts 19:04:54 like they did with minecraft 19:05:05 They literally did this with Minecraft, that would be very expected for them! 19:05:16 oh nvm you beat me to it lol. Wish I could type this fast. 19:05:32 see how aggressively they're pushing M$ accounts :P 19:07:51 I did make a prediction, that the Monero Project will move away from github to radicle in the year 2020. I even wrote it on the Monero blockchain as proof. 19:09:02 2020 is 5 years ago 19:09:24 Thats when i predicted it. 19:10:02 predicted? 19:10:06 but they're still using github 19:10:43 yes. prediction didn't come true yet 19:11:22 they also use gitlab, the reason for using gitlab (as was told me) is to profit from the free build time 19:11:30 which makes sense to me 19:11:48 fair enough. The prediction might fail 19:17:05 Better selfhost gitlab tho 19:21:56 Ahh, i found it: my old documentation: https://github.com/nonie-sys/monero-timestamp How to make a timestamp Proof of existence on Monero Blockchain. 19:25:45 pcre: "With Bitcoin the hash is stored on the blockchain itself. Monero wont allow this" 19:25:50 actually it does 19:25:52 you can use tx_extra 19:26:08 provided you modify monerod yourself 19:26:14 Ah ok, did not know 19:26:34 tx_extra has a size limit, i don't know how much exactly 19:26:39 i think it was 1KB 19:27:00 go over that, your transaction won't get validated or mined 19:27:26 1KB is a lot. 19:28:54 I think i made another mistake. One piconero is 10^12 not 2^12, isn't it? 19:29:03 well it used to be unlimited 19:29:16 but someone uploaded a 126KB PDF file to the blockchain abusing tx_extra 19:29:23 so they did this: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8733 19:30:12 cool 19:30:53 remember the mordinals? lol 19:30:58 had to lock that down 19:31:14 <321bob321> Thanks mbll 19:31:20 1060 bytes is good enough for timestamping 19:31:31 100% 19:34:06 then you wouldn't even need to make a brand new wallet :P 19:34:29 you could send yourself some monero, set the tx_extra to the hash of the document (probably keyed/encrypted in some way for it to not be observed or searched up easily) 19:34:51 XD -true. Hey, you have a choice. Both methods work. 19:34:54 you'd just lose some tiny amount of money to the fee 19:34:58 true :P 19:45:43 Yo, after learning about spy nodes, I spun up a monero node on a vps, running over tor. Now I wanna mine with that same machine using p2pool. I'm not super familiar with the p2pool node ecosystem. Can I connect to my own monero node via tor liek when I've got a wallet pointed at my node 19:45:48 ? 19:47:54 It's best to run p2pool node at the same vps 19:48:10 but yes, you can connect to monerod via tor 19:48:26 https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/blob/master/docs/TOR.MD 19:49:02 if you provide the socks5 proxy, p2pool can connect to .onion domains 19:49:27 Gotcha, reading up on some docs rn. I am planning to run p2pool on the same vps 19:51:23 if you're mining on a vps don't expect to much of it 19:52:29 <321bob321> Shared CPU 19:53:18 I may have to double check how my monero node is configured, but the way I have it, the restricted rpc connects to 18089 over tor while the p2p is on a nondefault port, but I think I need to explictly write the nondefault port I used 18084. On that note, does it even matter that I am running it on a nondefault port? I was just told to do this in a guide. 19:53:23 I 19:53:47 I'm not expecting to make money through the mining, just contribute hash and availability as a p2pool node I guess 19:53:57 It is also very likely that the hosting provider will shut you down. There is bound to be something in the terms and conditions that prevents mining on a VPS. 19:55:14 hmm that makes sense. well at least I want to get the pool node up and running. God willing in the future I can do some mining on my own (better) hardware and I know I've got my nodes running 19:55:19